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Don't remember if Babar played against a team with less than 11 players. If you are referring to the caliber of the opposition players, you need to provide an objective definition of that caliber, and furnish stats for Kohli before I become interested in that question.How many against full strength teams?
Don't remember if Babar played against a team with less than 11 players. If you are referring to the caliber of the opposition players, you need to provide an objective definition of that caliber, and furnish stats for Kohli before I become interested in that question.
Babar Azam's record is poor against India only because India is afraid to play their B side against him and afraid to enter Pakistan as long as he plays there.
Kohli has played in 4 World Cups. This is Babar's 2nd World Cup.
It is not the right time for comparison yet. Kohli has been playing cricket for a lot longer than Babar.
Yeah this should had stopped 2 years ago not now, the can of worms was opened by Pak fan.Kohli has played in 4 World Cups. This is Babar's 2nd World Cup.
It is not the right time for comparison yet. Kohli has been playing cricket for a lot longer than Babar.
So let’s judge how many centuries Babar has at the end of his career?This is the correct take.
Kohli has finally put some sheen on his LOI career built on JAMODIs.
Babar's career is also built on JAMODIs but he has half his career ahead of him so who knows what he can achieve?
Yes.Now that we are talking all the world cups Kohli played so far, remember that Kohli.already won a world cup. Let Babar win one and we can start comparing. Babar is very good in his own right and his game, impact, mentality are totally different to Kohli's.Kohli has played in 4 World Cups. This is Babar's 2nd World Cup.
It is not the right time for comparison yet. Kohli has been playing cricket for a lot longer than Babar.
What does weakened mean? If India selected Kohli for a tour in 2008, would the newbie be weakening their squad? This is why I insist on having an objective definition of subjective terms like second-string, weakened and full-strength. Everything else is he-said she-said.Whether you are interested or not interested will not change the fact that boards regularly send weakened teams to Pakistan, with a number of first team players missing.
Last time NZ team went to Pakistan for white ball series, most of their first team players preferred playing the IPL and didn't play in the white ball series.
There are numerous such examples.
Everyone knows it. That's why posting these stats of Babar won't help your cause.
What does weakened mean? If India selected Kohli for a tour in 2008, would the newbie be weakening their squad? This is why I insist on having an objective definition of subjective terms like second-string, weakened and full-strength. Everything else is he-said she-said.
I don't think so. Kohli had a good U19 and so did Rachin Ravindra. Including them or any newbie who comes in the team after a good domestic season doesn't weaken it.Kohli in 2008 was a 19 yr old novice. So yes playing him instead of a Gautam or Yuvraj will weaken the team.
I don't think so. Kohli had a good U19 and so did Rachin Ravindra. Including them or any newbie who comes in the team after a good domestic season doesn't weaken it.
Yup. Now you know opinions are subjective and cannot be used to counter facts. I rest my case.That's your opinion.
Its like saying including Yash Dhull in place of Rohit Sharma won't weaken the Indian team today.
Yup. Now you know opinions are subjective and cannot be used to counter facts. I rest my case.
It IS your opinion. Also, without data, saying that Babar inflated his stats by playing second-string teams is also your opinion.But scoring runs against a team missing a number of first choice players and then passing it off as rubs against SENA isn't subjective. They are facts.
What kind of stats are these with filters on number of matches played or number of years played?#BabarSher has played 17 World cup matches as of now. Here's his comparison with Kohli after 17 World cup matches. The Pakistani Punjabi has scored 794 runs at 53/86 with 1 century and 7 fifties while the Indian Punjabi had scored 587 runs at 42/82 with 2 centuries and 1 fifty.
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You can't compare an early career Babar with late career Kohli.What kind of stats are these with filters on number of matches played or number of years played?
The only valid filter is full Stats to date.
Yeah, tell these people who opened countless threads. What comes around goes around. For now, let's face the heat.You can't compare an early career Babar with late career Kohli.
You can't compare an early career Babar with late career Kohli.
Data? You mean that many first team players missing from the squad is not data?It IS your opinion. Also, without data, saying that Babar inflated his stats by playing second-string teams is also your opinion.
Babar is 29 years old and has been playing for 8 years. He is no newbie.You can't compare an early career Babar with late career Kohli.
But the thing to notice is how many ODIs he got to play in that specific period?Babar is 29 years old and has been playing for 8 years. He is no newbie.
But the thing to notice is how many ODIs he got to play in that specific period?
That would be Fakhar, Rizwan can't lace the boots of any of his Indian counterparts.In this World Cup , the only Indian batter worse than Babar is Ishan Kishan .
Even Shubman Gill , after the loss of muscle mass from dengue , has had more impact than Babar.
The only Pakistani batsman who can even be mentioned in the same breath as Indian Top 5 in this CWC is Mohammad Rizwan.
All of Gill, Kohli, Rohit , Iyer , Rahul have been comfortably superior to everyone bar Rizwan
Wowzers, so much impact. Bois choked well. Again.In this World Cup , the only Indian batter worse than Babar is Ishan Kishan .
Even Shubman Gill , after the loss of muscle mass from dengue , has had more impact than Babar.
The only Pakistani batsman who can even be mentioned in the same breath as Indian Top 5 in this CWC is Mohammad Rizwan.
All of Gill, Kohli, Rohit , Iyer , Rahul have been comfortably superior to everyone bar Rizwan
Ridiculous, kohli scored a century in the semis and a half century in the final. In what world is that choking?Kohli's best world cup but still nothing impactful in KO matches. Ends his career barely averaging 29 with a SR in the 70s in WC KO matches.
To assume Babar Azam will follow this same path is foolishness. This is how things stand for now:
- In their first ever world cups (2019 vs 2015]), Babar Azam outscored Kohli.
- In their second world cup (2023 vs 2015), Babar again outscored Kohli - although both were disappointing.
- Kohli was awesome during the group stages of his third appearance (2023) but as usual, nothing of impact in the KO stages. Let's see what Babar does in 2027.
And they all outperformed Babar. The guy got wrecked by Afghanistan, he was terrible throughout the wcWowzers, so much impact. Bois choked well. Again.
Babar will be lucky to ever see an ODI World Cup KOWowzers, so much impact. Bois choked well. Again.
This was Babar's second world cup. He scored more runs in 2023 than Kohli did in 2015, which was his second world cup.And they all outperformed Babar. The guy got wrecked by Afghanistan, he was terrible throughout the wc
Yes, we all saw that in the 2017 CT where Babar played a crucial innings but Kohli choked twice, lmao.Babar will be lucky to ever see an ODI World Cup KO
Can't choke when youre not good enough to make the KO in the first place
The worst century of the semi-final that had zero impact and Kohli's partnership with Rahul will go down as the greatest tuk tuk in WC history.Ridiculous, kohli scored a century in the semis and a half century in the final. In what world is that choking?
Babar was the biggest flop in the wc, iyer outperformed him
Have some respect for the game man. Kohli is leagues ahead of Babar as a big tournament playerThis was Babar's second world cup. He scored more runs in 2023 than Kohli did in 2015, which was his second world cup.
By every metric, Babar is on his way to totally surpassing Kohli.
Not sure Babar will even be there next WC. He is on a serious decline. He chokes when it matters/ is just not good enough.Kohli's best world cup but still nothing impactful in KO matches. Ends his career barely averaging 29 with a SR in the 70s in WC KO matches.
To assume Babar Azam will follow this same path is foolishness. This is how things stand for now:
- In their first ever world cups (2019 vs 2015]), Babar Azam outscored Kohli.
- In their second world cup (2023 vs 2015), Babar again outscored Kohli - although both were disappointing.
- Kohli was awesome during the group stages of his third appearance (2023) but as usual, nothing of impact in the KO stages. Let's see what Babar does in 2027.
If the reports about his supposed “arrogance” is correct, it means that Babar believes he is already the best batsman he can be…and if he is satisfied with his batting in this state, he is not going to set the world alight going forward.Not sure Babar will even be there next WC. He is on a serious decline. He chokes when it matters/ is just not good enough.
That century allowed all the other batsmen around him to bat freely and have a go, because kohli was holding down one end and still striking at over a hundred.The worst century of the semi-final that had zero impact and Kohli's partnership with Rahul will go down as the greatest tuk tuk in WC history.
He averages under 30n with a SR in the 70s in WC KO matches. He is the greatest choker of all-time.
Sarfaraz is never coming back.If the reports about his supposed “arrogance” is correct, it means that Babar believes he is already the best batsman he can be…and if he is satisfied with his batting in this state, he is not going to set the world alight going forward.
People who were behind Babar are now leaps and bounds ahead of him.
Mitchell
Markram
Rassi Van Dussen
Klaasen
Iyer
Ravindra
Samarawickrama
Marsh
You name it…all of those players above are better ODI batsmen than Babar. If Babar ie content with being below them now, you can bet that very soon many others will surpass him.
He can leave with his head held high. Babar will never achieve more than Sarfaraz did for PakistanSarfaraz is never coming back.
How's he going to surpass kohli. He was the biggest failure in this wc despite playing in great batting conditions.This was Babar's second world cup. He scored more runs in 2023 than Kohli did in 2015, which was his second world cup.
By every metric, Babar is on his way to totally surpassing Kohli.
Nothing to hope for. PAK aren't winning either World Cup. Kohli will always have 1 more World Cup than Babar.Yes, we all saw that in the 2017 CT where Babar played a crucial innings but Kohli choked twice, lmao.
The era of Kohli is over. Your boi retired a choker and now all you guys can do is seethe and hope Babar fails in 2027 and 2031.
The guy has won the same amount of wcs as your country. Why do padosis act like they are Australia?Yes, we all saw that in the 2017 CT where Babar played a crucial innings but Kohli choked twice, lmao.
The era of Kohli is over. Your boi retired a choker and now all you guys can do is seethe and hope Babar fails in 2027 and 2031.
Yes, one world cup. Smith has won the same amount as your country. Why are you acting like India just won their third world cup?The guy has won the same amount of wcs as your country. Why do padosis act like they are Australia?
Babar will never win a wc either, doubt it if he even plays a semis. Although he is a good batter and a great lad and I wish him the best
He's he several leagues ahead as a batsmen which I agree, but also several leagues ahead of any choker.Have some respect for the game man. Kohli is leagues ahead of Babar as a big tournament player
But this thread only proves Babar is even worse .This World Cup will always be the one which proved that Kohli is not fit to be the maal on the backs of the REAL GOATs. It will be the one where he failed to cement his legacy, the one where he failed to win the WC final, because he is and has always been a weak mental midget, pumped up by an army of blue insects
Nope. Babar in 2023 outscored Kohli in 2015, which were their second world cups.But this thread only proves Babar is even worse .
LMAO. Sarfaraz is a nobody and will never put on the Pakistan shirt again. Babar will still play for another 10 years.He can leave with his head held high. Babar will never achieve more than Sarfaraz did for Pakistan
Surpass what? Like what of Kohli is he surpassing?Nope. Babar in 2023 outscored Kohli in 2015, which were their second world cups.
Babar is on track to surpass Kohli by 2027.
Babar can surpass Kohli by scoring more hundred against Zimbabwe, Nepal . Thats it lolNope. Babar in 2023 outscored Kohli in 2015, which were their second world cups.
Babar is on track to surpass Kohli by 2027.
He can only surpass if Pakistan play qualifiers against Associate teams like how he dominated against Nepal in Asia cup.Nope. Babar in 2023 outscored Kohli in 2015, which were their second world cups.
Babar is on track to surpass Kohli by 2027.
But Hashim Amla is the biggest choker in ODI history and not worthy of lacing Kohli and Rohit’s boots.Nope. Babar in 2023 outscored Kohli in 2015, which were their second world cups.
Babar is on track to surpass Kohli by 2027.
Nope. Babar in 2023 outscored Kohli in 2015, which were their second world cups.
Babar is on track to surpass Kohli by 2027.
Would you have said the same if Amla was to score that century?The worst century of the semi-final that had zero impact and Kohli's partnership with Rahul will go down as the greatest tuk tuk in WC history.
Babar scored 15 more runs in 2023 but also played 1 additional game. The formats of 2015 and 2023 were different.This was Babar's second world cup. He scored more runs in 2023 than Kohli did in 2015, which was his second world cup.
Would you have said the same if Amla was to score that century?
But Hashim Amla is the biggest choker in ODI history and not worthy of lacing Kohli and Rohit’s boots.
Please repeat after me: Hashim Amla is the biggest choker ever with 0 hundreds in World Cups against non-minnows.
As I said, Kohli destroying the Babar comparison has impacted your already compromised understanding of cricket.
You are comparing 2015 with 2023 when the two WCs were played with different formats.
In 2015, the team that won the World Cup played 8 matches.
In 2023, the teams that didn’t even make the knockouts played 9 matches.
India lost the semifinals in 2015 which meant Kohli played 7 matches.
2015: Kohli scored 374 runs in 8 matches at an average of 50 including a century against Pakistan
2023: Babar scored 320 in 9 matches with 0 centuries at an average of 40.
So even if we ignore the different formats, Kohli in 2015 still had a much better World Cup than Babar in 2023.
No.Would you have said the same if Amla was to score that century?
If Babar was playing this world cup on the Indian team, with hundreds of matches on these very grounds behind him and Kohli was playing on the Pakistan, with zero knowledge of the conditions, what do you think would have happened?If baber scored a century in the semis and a 50 in the final then bhaijaan would have already declared him as the goat. Imagine kohli having the wc baber did and getting knocked out by the Afghans and falling to even make it to the semis. He would have lost his atg status
How can you still talk man?Amla has choked in his fair share of KO games just like all the other ATG South African players. However, he's not the one with 50 ODI hundreds playing on doctored pitches with the backing of the most powerful cricket board and a billion people behind him.
The biggest ODI choker will always have to be someone from India. For now, it is Kohli. However, Kohli might lose his title of "King of the Chokers" to some other overhyped Indian batsman over the next decade.
Stop being delusional.
Absolute falsehoods. Kohli played 8 matches in 2015 and scored 305 runs. Additionally, unlike Babar, Kohli wasn't just dropped into a country he had never played a single match before the WC.
Babar has outscored Kohli in both their first two worls cups. It's foolish to assume the trend will not continue.
Stop being a liar.
No, but you would have. Stop being a hypocrite.
I know you have difficulty reading, but I already rectified my mistake regarding the number of runs Kohli scored in 2015 World Cup.Amla has choked in his fair share of KO games just like all the other ATG South African players. However, he's not the one with 50 ODI hundreds playing on doctored pitches with the backing of the most powerful cricket board and a billion people behind him.
The biggest ODI choker will always have to be someone from India. For now, it is Kohli. However, Kohli might lose his title of "King of the Chokers" to some other overhyped Indian batsman over the next decade.
Stop being delusional.
Absolute falsehoods. Kohli played 8 matches in 2015 and scored 305 runs. Additionally, unlike Babar, Kohli wasn't just dropped into a country he had never played a single match before the WC.
Babar has outscored Kohli in both their first two worls cups. It's foolish to assume the trend will not continue.
Stop being a liar.
No, but you would have. Stop being a hypocrite.
No Babar wouldn't have scored 900+ your in dream land.If Babar was playing this world cup on the Indian team, with hundreds of matches on these very grounds behind him and Kohli was playing on the Pakistan, with zero knowledge of the conditions, what do you think would have happened?
Babar would have scored 900+ runs with 5+ hundreds and would have won India the world cup.
Kohli would have had another mediocre world cup just like his 2011, 2015 and 2019 world cups.
People are simply ignoring how beneficial a home world cup is and Virat Kohli has played two of them.
Kohli is way ahead of Babar even though Babar is still a very good Batsman thou.How can you still talk man?
Kohli has hit you enough with his bat lol
Kohli was at the end of his career while Babar at his peak and still Kohli destroyed him head to head.
Babar has had zero impact in this world cup, while Kohli broke the record of highest run getter in a single world cup, how are they even comparable? lol.
You started this thread comparing Babar with Kohli and now after you have been destroyed with 770 runs + a semi final century you are changing the topic. Also the fact that you hid while india was winners matches and came up once they lost is telling.
Tbf, if babar does outperform kohli, I'll acknowledge him assuming kohli is in form that is. By form i mean if he's scoring and doing well and Babar is doing better then I'll agree.It is not good enough if Babar outperforms Kohli in this World T20.
Babar is at his peak and has to outperform the feared T20 version of Kohli in the 2014-2016 period.
Otherwise , this comparison will become even more meaningless than it already is.
In T20s, when Babar scores a 50 or more while chasing, Pakistan has won 13/17 matches, a 76% win rate. Babar Azam averages 115 @ 149 SR in these won matches.Usually when kohli scores 50 or above, the team tends to wins especially if their chasing. Same can't be said for babar when he scores.
Fair point but most of Babar’s victories have been 2nd string bashing so it's not a fair comparison.In T20s, when Babar scores a 50 or more while chasing, Pakistan has won 13/17 matches, a 76% win rate. Babar Azam averages 115 @ 149 SR in these won matches.
In T20s, when Kohli scores a 50 or more while chasing, India has won 16/20 matches, a 80% win rate. Kohli averages 218 @ 143 SR in these won matches.
Usually if either player scores a 50 while chasing, their team wins.
Checked last 5 years T20 stats against non minnows. He is not even as good as current Kohli.It is not good enough if Babar outperforms Kohli in this World T20.
Babar is at his peak and has to outperform the feared T20 version of Kohli in the 2014-2016 period.
Otherwise , this comparison will become even more meaningless than it already is.