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Don't remember if Babar played against a team with less than 11 players. If you are referring to the caliber of the opposition players, you need to provide an objective definition of that caliber, and furnish stats for Kohli before I become interested in that question.
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Whether you are interested or not interested will not change the fact that boards regularly send weakened teams to Pakistan, with a number of first team players missing.
Last time NZ team went to Pakistan for white ball series, most of their first team players preferred playing the IPL and didn't play in the white ball series.
There are numerous such examples.
Everyone knows it. That's why posting these stats of Babar won't help your cause.
Babar Azam's record is poor against India only because India is afraid to play their B side against him and afraid to enter Pakistan as long as he plays there.
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Kohli has played in 4 World Cups. This is Babar's 2nd World Cup.
It is not the right time for comparison yet. Kohli has been playing cricket for a lot longer than Babar.
It is not the right time for comparison yet. Kohli has been playing cricket for a lot longer than Babar.
This is the correct take.
Kohli has finally put some sheen on his LOI career built on JAMODIs.
Babar's career is also built on JAMODIs but he has half his career ahead of him so who knows what he can achieve?
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Yeah this should had stopped 2 years ago not now, the can of worms was opened by Pak fan.
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So let’s judge how many centuries Babar has at the end of his career?
Yes.Now that we are talking all the world cups Kohli played so far, remember that Kohli.already won a world cup. Let Babar win one and we can start comparing. Babar is very good in his own right and his game, impact, mentality are totally different to Kohli's.
Amla, Williamson, Root come.to mind when thinking about Babar. Infact Root can be a good role model for Babar in terms of how Root transformed his game in ODIs by improving his SR.
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What does weakened mean? If India selected Kohli for a tour in 2008, would the newbie be weakening their squad? This is why I insist on having an objective definition of subjective terms like second-string, weakened and full-strength. Everything else is he-said she-said.
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Kohli in 2008 was a 19 yr old novice. So yes playing him instead of a Gautam or Yuvraj will weaken the team.
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I don't think so. Kohli had a good U19 and so did Rachin Ravindra. Including them or any newbie who comes in the team after a good domestic season doesn't weaken it.
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That's your opinion.
Its like saying including Yash Dhull in place of Rohit Sharma won't weaken the Indian team today.
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Yup. Now you know opinions are subjective and cannot be used to counter facts. I rest my case.
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But scoring runs against a team missing a number of first choice players and then passing it off as rubs against SENA isn't subjective. They are facts.
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It IS your opinion. Also, without data, saying that Babar inflated his stats by playing second-string teams is also your opinion.
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What kind of stats are these with filters on number of matches played or number of years played?
The only valid filter is full Stats to date.
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You can't compare an early career Babar with late career Kohli.
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Yeah, tell these people who opened countless threads. What comes around goes around. For now, let's face the heat.
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One of the most impact-less batsman vs one of the most impactful batsman in history.
Who cares who scores more in this WC or that WC
Babar has like 1 or 2 away test ton so far and has been footnote when playing away. He gets outscored by his teammates in all away series. He is already around 30 years old. It's about time to contribute something and forget about comparison with like of Kohli. He is in another league.
Who cares who scores more in this WC or that WC
Babar has like 1 or 2 away test ton so far and has been footnote when playing away. He gets outscored by his teammates in all away series. He is already around 30 years old. It's about time to contribute something and forget about comparison with like of Kohli. He is in another league.
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I mean let's say Kohli had scored 200 runs in WC and Babar had scored 250 runs in WC then yeaaah, Babar won.
It's hilarious and meaningless. If you want to be counted as great then go ahead and dominate good teams and dominate when playing away by scoring heavily in many series.
Some random player scored higher than SRT or Viv in one WC, yeaaah that player won.
It's hilarious and meaningless. If you want to be counted as great then go ahead and dominate good teams and dominate when playing away by scoring heavily in many series.
Some random player scored higher than SRT or Viv in one WC, yeaaah that player won.
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Babar is not early in his career, but at his peak. And Kohli on the other hand is towards the end of the career.
Babar has been playing international cricket for more than 8 years. So yes, his current stats can be compared to Kohli's full stats. No filters of number of matches/number of years played needs to be added for this.
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Data? You mean that many first team players missing from the squad is not data?
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Babar is 29 years old and has been playing for 8 years. He is no newbie.
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But the thing to notice is how many ODIs he got to play in that specific period?
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Is it time to discontinue this discussion FOREVER ? If people persist in making this comparison after all that has happened over the last few months ....
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In this World Cup , the only Indian batter worse than Babar is Ishan Kishan .
Even Shubman Gill , after the loss of muscle mass from dengue , has had more impact than Babar.
The only Pakistani batsman who can even be mentioned in the same breath as Indian Top 5 in this CWC is Mohammad Rizwan.
All of Gill, Kohli, Rohit , Iyer , Rahul have been comfortably superior to everyone bar Rizwan
Even Shubman Gill , after the loss of muscle mass from dengue , has had more impact than Babar.
The only Pakistani batsman who can even be mentioned in the same breath as Indian Top 5 in this CWC is Mohammad Rizwan.
All of Gill, Kohli, Rohit , Iyer , Rahul have been comfortably superior to everyone bar Rizwan
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That would be Fakhar, Rizwan can't lace the boots of any of his Indian counterparts.
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Kohli's best world cup but still nothing impactful in KO matches. Ends his career barely averaging 29 with a SR in the 70s in WC KO matches.
To assume Babar Azam will follow this same path is foolishness. This is how things stand for now:
- In their first ever world cups (2019 vs 2015]), Babar Azam outscored Kohli.
- In their second world cup (2023 vs 2015), Babar again outscored Kohli - although both were disappointing.
- Kohli was awesome during the group stages of his third appearance (2023) but as usual, nothing of impact in the KO stages. Let's see what Babar does in 2027.
To assume Babar Azam will follow this same path is foolishness. This is how things stand for now:
- In their first ever world cups (2019 vs 2015]), Babar Azam outscored Kohli.
- In their second world cup (2023 vs 2015), Babar again outscored Kohli - although both were disappointing.
- Kohli was awesome during the group stages of his third appearance (2023) but as usual, nothing of impact in the KO stages. Let's see what Babar does in 2027.
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Ridiculous, kohli scored a century in the semis and a half century in the final. In what world is that choking?
Babar was the biggest flop in the wc, iyer outperformed him
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And they all outperformed Babar. The guy got wrecked by Afghanistan, he was terrible throughout the wcWowzers, so much impact. Bois choked well. Again.
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Babar will be lucky to ever see an ODI World Cup KOWowzers, so much impact. Bois choked well. Again.
Can't choke when youre not good enough to make the KO in the first place
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This was Babar's second world cup. He scored more runs in 2023 than Kohli did in 2015, which was his second world cup.
By every metric, Babar is on his way to totally surpassing Kohli.
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Yes, we all saw that in the 2017 CT where Babar played a crucial innings but Kohli choked twice, lmao.Babar will be lucky to ever see an ODI World Cup KO
Can't choke when youre not good enough to make the KO in the first place
The era of Kohli is over. Your boi retired a choker and now all you guys can do is seethe and hope Babar fails in 2027 and 2031.
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The worst century of the semi-final that had zero impact and Kohli's partnership with Rahul will go down as the greatest tuk tuk in WC history.
He averages under 30n with a SR in the 70s in WC KO matches. He is the greatest choker of all-time.
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Have some respect for the game man. Kohli is leagues ahead of Babar as a big tournament player
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Not sure Babar will even be there next WC. He is on a serious decline. He chokes when it matters/ is just not good enough.
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If the reports about his supposed “arrogance” is correct, it means that Babar believes he is already the best batsman he can be…and if he is satisfied with his batting in this state, he is not going to set the world alight going forward.
People who were behind Babar are now leaps and bounds ahead of him.
Mitchell
Markram
Rassi Van Dussen
Klaasen
Iyer
Ravindra
Samarawickrama
Marsh
You name it…all of those players above are better ODI batsmen than Babar. If Babar ie content with being below them now, you can bet that very soon many others will surpass him.
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That century allowed all the other batsmen around him to bat freely and have a go, because kohli was holding down one end and still striking at over a hundred.
Kohli scored 54 of 63 in a wc final, in no world is that a choke. He was batting beautifully before rahul came and messed things up by playing the worst in the history of WCS. India would have been bundled out for less than 200 if kohli had gotten out earlier.
Kohli is the only batsman in the history of the game who would get called a choker despite scoring a hundred and a 50 in the semis and the final. That's not choking.
Amla and babar are still the biggest chokers in history. Respect the game and stop moving goalposts to hate on a great of the game
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Sarfaraz is never coming back.
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He can leave with his head held high. Babar will never achieve more than Sarfaraz did for Pakistan
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How's he going to surpass kohli. He was the biggest failure in this wc despite playing in great batting conditions.
In 2015, kohli still scored a match winning century against Pakistan, baber had 0 impact in this wc.
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Nothing to hope for. PAK aren't winning either World Cup. Kohli will always have 1 more World Cup than Babar.
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The guy has won the same amount of wcs as your country. Why do padosis act like they are Australia?
Babar will never win a wc either, doubt it if he even plays a semis. Although he is a good batter and a great lad and I wish him the best
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Yes, one world cup. Smith has won the same amount as your country. Why are you acting like India just won their third world cup?
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He's he several leagues ahead as a batsmen which I agree, but also several leagues ahead of any choker.
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This World Cup will always be the one which proved that Kohli is not fit to be the maal on the backs of the REAL GOATs. It will be the one where he failed to cement his legacy, the one where he failed to win the WC final, because he is and has always been a weak mental midget.
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But this thread only proves Babar is even worse .
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Nope. Babar in 2023 outscored Kohli in 2015, which were their second world cups.
Babar is on track to surpass Kohli by 2027.
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LMAO. Sarfaraz is a nobody and will never put on the Pakistan shirt again. Babar will still play for another 10 years.
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Surpass what? Like what of Kohli is he surpassing?
Babar can surpass Kohli by scoring more hundred against Zimbabwe, Nepal . Thats it lol
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He can only surpass if Pakistan play qualifiers against Associate teams like how he dominated against Nepal in Asia cup.
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But Hashim Amla is the biggest choker in ODI history and not worthy of lacing Kohli and Rohit’s boots.
Please repeat after me: Hashim Amla is the biggest choker ever with 0 hundreds in World Cups against non-minnows.
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As I said, Kohli destroying the Babar comparison has impacted your already compromised understanding of cricket.
You are comparing 2015 with 2023 when the two WCs were played with different formats.
In 2015, the team that won the World Cup played 8 matches.
In 2023, the teams that didn’t even make the knockouts played 9 matches.
India lost the semifinals in 2015 which meant Kohli played 7 matches.
2015: Kohli scored 374 runs in 8 matches at an average of 50 including a century against Pakistan
2023: Babar scored 320 in 9 matches with 0 centuries at an average of 40.
So even if we ignore the different formats, Kohli in 2015 still had a much better World Cup than Babar in 2023.
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Would you have said the same if Amla was to score that century?
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Babar scored 15 more runs in 2023 but also played 1 additional game. The formats of 2015 and 2023 were different.
Babar had 0 centuries in 2023 while Kohli scored one against Pakistan.
Speaking of Babar surpassing Kohli, he can’t do that when he is not good enough to have 1% the impact on Pakistan-India matches that Kohli has had over the years.
Babar is a total failure against India while Kohli has tormented Pakistan more so than any other batsman.
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Babar is free from this captaincy nonsense - expect bigger things from him.
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Kohli is an ATG.
Babar is a nobody.
Deal with it.
Babar is a nobody.
Deal with it.
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If baber scored a century in the semis and a 50 in the final then bhaijaan would have already declared him as the goat. Imagine kohli having the wc baber did and getting knocked out by the Afghans and falling to even make it to the semis. He would have lost his atg status
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Amla has choked in his fair share of KO games just like all the other ATG South African players. However, he's not the one with 50 ODI hundreds playing on doctored pitches with the backing of the most powerful cricket board and a billion people behind him.
The biggest ODI choker will always have to be someone from India. For now, it is Kohli. However, Kohli might lose his title of "King of the Chokers" to some other overhyped Indian batsman over the next decade.
Absolute falsehoods. Kohli played 8 matches in 2015 and scored 305 runs. Additionally, unlike Babar, Kohli wasn't just dropped into a country he had never played a single match before the WC.
Babar has outscored Kohli in both their first two worls cups. It's foolish to assume the trend will not continue.
No.
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If Babar was playing this world cup on the Indian team, with hundreds of matches on these very grounds behind him and Kohli was playing on the Pakistan, with zero knowledge of the conditions, what do you think would have happened?
Babar would have scored 900+ runs with 5+ hundreds and would have won India the world cup.
Kohli would have had another mediocre world cup just like his 2011, 2015 and 2019 world cups.
People are simply ignoring how beneficial a home world cup is and Virat Kohli has played two of them.
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This WC has shown Babar isn’t good enough. He’ll always remain an impactless player accumulating impactless runs against B and C sides. Not even among the top 50 ODI batsman of all time, while Kohli is right at the top.
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How can you still talk man?
Kohli has hit you enough with his bat lol
Kohli was at the end of his career while Babar at his peak and still Kohli destroyed him head to head.
Babar has had zero impact in this world cup, while Kohli broke the record of highest run getter in a single world cup, how are they even comparable? lol.
You started this thread comparing Babar with Kohli and now after you have been destroyed with 770 runs + a semi final century you are changing the topic. Also the fact that you hid while india was winners matches and came up once they lost is telling.
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I know you have difficulty reading, but I already rectified my mistake regarding the number of runs Kohli scored in 2015 World Cup.
He scored 15 runs less than Babar did in 2023 and played 1 game less because of the format. Furthermore, he scored a century against Pakistan while Babar didn’t score a single century.
Kohli’s 2023 World Cup was one for the ages and Babar will never produce a World Cup like this ever.
If Babar has 75% the World Cup Kohli has had in 2023, you would cartwheeling all over Canada.
Kohli’s 50 ODI centuries has nothing to do with pitches or BCCI’s backing and has everything to do with how great an ODI batsman he is.
Kohli averages more than Amla in ODIs in South Africa. Kohli averages 76 while Amla averages 54, and there is a 22 runs gap in spite of the fact that Kohli has played world class South African fast bowling in South Africa while Amla has had his fair share of matches against weak attacks.
Both Amla and Babar aren’t half the batsmen Kohli is and you obviously know this fact but cannot digest it.
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If Kohli is a choker for Ko games what does the player than cannot make them go to KO games be called?
No Babar wouldn't have scored 900+ your in dream land.
Kohli is way ahead of Babar even though Babar is still a very good Batsman thou.
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I thought this thread was revived for world T20, 2024 
Apart from fan boys we don't want Kohli playing T20 for us even though there is a good chance he will outperform Babar. Statistics in T20 shold have some parameters you use to measure. No.of 50s, average are not some of them. It was slightly more meaningful 4 or 5 years back. If you score at a strike rate of under 130 you are simply not good enough.
Apart from fan boys we don't want Kohli playing T20 for us even though there is a good chance he will outperform Babar. Statistics in T20 shold have some parameters you use to measure. No.of 50s, average are not some of them. It was slightly more meaningful 4 or 5 years back. If you score at a strike rate of under 130 you are simply not good enough.Nikhil_cric
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It is not good enough if Babar outperforms Kohli in this World T20.
Babar is at his peak and has to outperform the feared T20 version of Kohli in the 2014-2016 period.
Otherwise , this comparison will become even more meaningless than it already is.
Babar is at his peak and has to outperform the feared T20 version of Kohli in the 2014-2016 period.
Otherwise , this comparison will become even more meaningless than it already is.
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Tbf, if babar does outperform kohli, I'll acknowledge him assuming kohli is in form that is. By form i mean if he's scoring and doing well and Babar is doing better then I'll agree.
Problem is if both batters score in a tournament kohli 100% of the time does it better.
I don't expect babar and kohli to play atg innings or anything but what I mean is
Usually when kohli scores 50 or above, the team tends to wins especially if their chasing. Same can't be said for babar when he scores.
In T20s, when Babar scores a 50 or more while chasing, Pakistan has won 13/17 matches, a 76% win rate. Babar Azam averages 115 @ 149 SR in these won matches.
In T20s, when Kohli scores a 50 or more while chasing, India has won 16/20 matches, a 80% win rate. Kohli averages 218 @ 143 SR in these won matches.
Usually if either player scores a 50 while chasing, their team wins.
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Fair point but most of Babar’s victories have been 2nd string bashing so it's not a fair comparison.
But thanks for the kohli statistic.
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Checked last 5 years T20 stats against non minnows. He is not even as good as current Kohli.
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