[VIDEOS] Babar Azam vs Virat Kohli at the ICC World Cup 2023

[Bilal7]

Babar Azam, despite being in the infancy of his career in 2019 batted better than his more accomplished rival at the last world cup.

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Innings	Innings	Runs	Average	Highest Score	100s/50s	6s/4s
Babar Azam	8	474	67.71	101*	1/3	2/50
Virat Kohli	9	443	55.37	82	0/5	2/38

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Can Kohli finally have a world cup to remember and prove his superiority once and for all? Or will Babar show that he is in fact, the best ODI batsman of all time by defeating Kohli at the scoring charts yet again?

We will find out soon enough.

 

[Mockingbird]

It will be tougher for Babar this WC, as he will be compared to both Gill and Kohli. Lets see if our infant Gill (on the verge of becoming the best ODI batsman) or our veteran Kohli (probably in his last WC) can overtake a peak Babar this WC.

 

[Mockingbird]

Babar Azam, despite being in the infancy of his career in 2019 batted better than his more accomplished rival at the last world cup.

​

Innings	Runs	Average	Highest Score	100s/50s	6s/4s
Babar Azam	8	474	67.71	101*	1/3	2/50
Virat Kohli	9	443	55.37	82	0/5	2/38

​

Can Kohli finally have a world cup to remember and prove his superiority once and for all? Or will Babar show that he is in fact, the best ODI batsman of all time by defeating Kohli at the scoring charts yet again?

We will find out soon enough.

Also Kohli needs to prove his superiority- Since when? Let Babar first produce a single innings of the caliber of Kohli’s 183 or even his last T20 Wc innings against Pak & then we might think Babar even worthy of the comparison.

 

[vprasanna83]

Babar Azam, despite being in the infancy of his career in 2019 batted better than his more accomplished rival at the last world cup.

​

Innings	Runs	Average	Highest Score	100s/50s	6s/4s
Babar Azam	8	474	67.71	101*	1/3	2/50
Virat Kohli	9	443	55.37	82	0/5	2/38

​

Can Kohli finally have a world cup to remember and prove his superiority once and for all? Or will Babar show that he is in fact, the best ODI batsman of all time by defeating Kohli at the scoring charts yet again?

We will find out soon enough.

“ Kohli needs to prove his superiority “
Enough said

 

[vprasanna83]

These stats notwithstanding, I am looking forward to see Babar play some impactful innings in crucial matches this World Cup . That would be more important than any stats which you guys produce and that really is Babars litmus test

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Kohli is an ATG batsmen.

Babar is a rung below.

No shame in that.

No amount of cherry picking, Nepalese 100s or Babars average gonna change that fact.

 

[Hitman]

Kohli is an ATG batsmen.

Babar is a rung below.

No shame in that.

No amount of cherry picking, Nepalese 100s or Babars average gonna change that fact.

The poster actually believes Hashim Amla is the best ever ODI opener alongside Sachin, and that Babar is a better ODI batsman than Sachin

 

[Hitman]

Kohli is an ATG batsmen.

Babar is a rung below.

No shame in that.

No amount of cherry picking, Nepalese 100s or Babars average gonna change that fact.

Also, Babar is better than all Indian batsmen bar Sachin and Kohli

 

[jnaveen1980]

So in other words Babar has one more chance to prove his superiority over Rohit Sharma, Shakib Al Hasan, David Warner, Kane williamson, Joe Root, Bairstow, Aaron Finch et al?

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Babar will score plenty of runs to be fair.

But most of them will be impactless.

 

[Bhaijaan]

He will score a lot of runs. He’s a definite contender for most runs. Honestly he’s the #1 batter and he is going into a nation known for its majestic batting pitches where he will play at least 9 games straight. This is actually a huge challenge and a great race among worlds top batters to smash 700 runs barrier at the World Cup.

Kohli is not required to do that.
He’s required to finish games and play important clutch knocks for Bharat. If he scores 400 runs with 2-3 clutch knocks to take Bharat deep into the finals or win it, he would have done a great job and would be a hero.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Within Bharat camp, onus is on Gill and Sharma to smash 700 runs , not Kohli.

 

[Bilal7]

These stats notwithstanding, I am looking forward to see Babar play some impactful innings in crucial matches this World Cup . That would be more important than any stats which you guys produce and that really is Babars litmus test

Babar played match-winning innings against both finalists in the last world cup.

Kohli couldn't help India beat England in the group stages and of course, his legendary performance in the semi-finals against New Zealand is infamous.

 

[Bilal7]

Also Kohli needs to prove his superiority- Since when? Let Babar first produce a single innings of the caliber of Kohli’s 183 or even his last T20 Wc innings against Pak & then we might think Babar even worthy of the comparison.

Babar scored a glorious century against New Zealand in his first ever world cup as a 24 year old while a peak Kohli was looking like a tailender against the same team in the semi-finals.

We're comparing ODI cricket here. If you want to argue that Kohli is a better T20 batsman, we can bring that up next year. Babar was the leading run scorer at the 2021 edition while Kohli was the leading run scorer in the 2022 edition.

 

[Bilal7]

It will be tougher for Babar this WC, as he will be compared to both Gill and Kohli. Lets see if our infant Gill (on the verge of becoming the best ODI batsman) or our veteran Kohli (probably in his last WC) can overtake a peak Babar this WC.

Babar's first world cup was 2019 and he did FAR better than Kohli did in his first ever world cup back in 2011.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

A past it Kohli to play 2 impactful innings and remain below average for rest of the tourney.

Prime Babar will score many runs to win matches against BD, Netherlands, New Zealand and maintain his average.

 

[vprasanna83]

Babar played match-winning innings against both finalists in the last world cup.

Kohli couldn't help India beat England in the group stages and of course, his legendary performance in the semi-finals against New Zealand is infamous.

I dont think I need to reply to this ! Just try to check if you have any takers for the points you make around the world of cricket

 

[jnaveen1980]

Babar played match-winning innings against both finalists in the last world cup.

Kohli couldn't help India beat England in the group stages and of course, his legendary performance in the semi-finals against New Zealand is infamous.

And bounced out by West Indies and Bamboozled by Kuldeep Anywho Shakib was way way better than Babar in that world cup. He was clutch in a lot of games.

 

[Bilal7]

A past it Kohli to play 2 impactful innings and remain below average for rest of the tourney.

Prime Babar will score many runs to win matches against BD, Netherlands, New Zealand and maintain his average.

Lmao. What was it? 3/3 against New Zealand? Imagine grouping Boult and company with Netherlands.

 

[happydavy]

Kohli has a far superior record than Babar and rightly so, there isn't much comparison there and nothing that happens in this WC will have much impact there, I mean the guy has close to 10000 odi runs in won matches. What Kohli lacks in his legacy is that he has failed far too often in crunch/knockout games and people have started noticing that in his stats. One could polish the stats and come up with some reasoning but it's something that's associated with him, that he scored a lot of runs in bilateral tournaments and failed in semis/finals of important tournaments. So if Babar wants to be a legend, he should stop worrying about chasing kohlis stats and only focus on winning the wc for Pakistan. If Babar ends up doing that, then it won't matter even an iota what his stats are, he will be called a legend by everyone. No one checks the stats of Wasim Akram or Starc, as good as those stats are, they are legends because they won the wc.

 

[vprasanna83]

This funny trait of highlighting two of Babars successes and two of Kohlis failures and comparing the two . This is such a stupid way of comparing .

Compare the twos successes with each other over the years and you will see it clearly who has had the bigger impact .

Case rested

 

[Bilal7]

I dont think I need to reply to this ! Just try to check if you have any takers for the points you make around the world of cricket

Takers? These are facts. Facts that have a bunch of people seething but facts nonetheless.

You don't have to reply because nothing you say will change the fact that Baby Babar outscored prime Kohli back in 2019.

 

[Bilal7]

And bounced out by West Indies and Bamboozled by Kuldeep Anywho Shakib was way way better than Babar in that world cup. He was clutch in a lot of games.

I thought the narrative was that Babar was the one bullying teams like West Indies and failing against the big teams?

Thank you for putting this out there.

 

[160KPH]

Babar will have a higher average and higher strike rate throughout the tournament.

Kohli on the other hand will probably have one really dominant innings where he will single handedly carry his team to victory or near victory.

Who has the better tournament is just based on which you value more.

 

[vprasanna83]

Takers? These are facts. Facts that have a bunch of people seething but facts nonetheless.

You don't have to reply because nothing you say will change the fact that Baby Babar outscored prime Kohli back in 2019.

Congrats to Babar and his fanboys for that .

“Statistics are like bikinis , what they show is inconsequential, what they hide is crucial “ said one commentator

 

[Bilal7]

Babar will have a higher average and higher strike rate throughout the tournament.

Kohli on the other hand will probably have one really dominant innings where he will single handedly carry his team to victory or near victory.

Who has the better tournament is just based on which you value more.

Congrats to Babar and his fanboys for that .

“Statistics are like bikinis , what they show is inconsequential, what they hide is crucial “ said one commentator

Cope harder brah. Kohli's 2019 performances are not hidden. You can't hide his ONE run against New Zealand in your bikini.

Babar's century against the same team, meanwhile, isn't some obscure statistic either.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Lmao. What was it? 3/3 against New Zealand? Imagine grouping Boult and company with Netherlands.

Babar's peak level in ODIs is 2 levels below the likes of peak Kohli, Sachin, Sehwag, Dhoni and on par with good , consistent stat padders like Hashim Amla, peak Kane Williamson which teams like Pakistan absolutely need considering their paucity of elite batting talent since forever.

He is also one level below Travis Head , Jonny Bairstow, Ben Stokes , Jos Buttler etc in terms of match winning ability. Currently , Dawid Malan is a much superior batsman and so is Rassie Van der Dussen currently

If Bobby can have the impact that Shreyas Iyer had the other day, then it would be quite the achievement and would really help Pakistan one or 2 big matches.

One or two match winning knocks don't define a career.

 

[mikeypbadana86]

Babar Azam, despite being in the infancy of his career in 2019 batted better than his more accomplished rival at the last world cup.

​

Innings	Runs	Average	Highest Score	100s/50s	6s/4s
Babar Azam	8	474	67.71	101*	1/3	2/50
Virat Kohli	9	443	55.37	82	0/5	2/38

​

Can Kohli finally have a world cup to remember and prove his superiority once and for all? Or will Babar show that he is in fact, the best ODI batsman of all time by defeating Kohli at the scoring charts yet again?

We will find out soon enough.

Stats dont tell the actual story. Rohit sharm got 5 hundreads last worldcup which meant kohli did not get to bat full overs in all the matches.

 

[mikeypbadana86]

Babar scored a glorious century against New Zealand in his first ever world cup as a 24 year old while a peak Kohli was looking like a tailender against the same team in the semi-finals.

We're comparing ODI cricket here. If you want to argue that Kohli is a better T20 batsman, we can bring that up next year. Babar was the leading run scorer at the 2021 edition while Kohli was the leading run scorer in the 2022 edition.

Young babar scored a delightful century against Newzeland(i became a fan ever since then) while kohli failed miserably in knock out in 2019. Agreed.

Please do not compare any batter to kohlis t20 records. Babar should acheive the following which kohli did in t20's. Overall Kohli had 4 kknock out innings in t20 with an other high profile innings. Babar should do the same over a period of multiple world cups to be compared in t20's against kohli.

2014 t20 semis /knock out against south africa 70+
2014 final against SL 77

2016 t20 virtual quarter final against australia 80+
2016 t20 semis 80 + against west indies

2016 t20 high profile ind vs pak 80 + and the famous back to back sixes against haris rauf.

-unbiased Indian fan

 

[Bhaijaan]

Kohli can have a 200 run World Cup leading to the semi finals and hit an 83 and 111* to win the whole thing.

He’s just that kinda player.

 

[Mesozoic]

Shakib Al Hasan is a better ODI batsman than Babar Azam and Virat Kohli because he outscored them in the 2019 world cup.

 

[happydavy]

Stats dont tell the actual story. Rohit sharm got 5 hundreads last worldcup which meant kohli did not get to bat full overs in all the matches.

Well he got 49+ overs to bat in the all important game against NZ in semis!

 

[SamNJ]

Add 1 more metric

S/R
Kohli - 94.05
Babar - 87.77

Kohli was required to provide acceleration to solid starts given by his openers.
Babar was required to stabilise the innings.
Overall both played their roles for their team well. Don't think we need to compare, their roles and requirements were pretty different.

 

[mominsaigol]

The poster actually believes Hashim Amla is the best ever ODI opener alongside Sachin, and that Babar is a better ODI batsman than Sachin

They actually believe that? Lol. Although tbf, A case can be made for hashim Amla at his peak. Best is going too far but at amla's peak you can defo rank him at the lower tier of ATG. Not upper tier obviously that tier belongs to legends like Sachin, Hayden. But you can rank Peak amla in lower ATG rank alongside people like warner(Peak), Shane Watson etc.

 

[mominsaigol]

They actually believe that? Lol. Although tbf, A case can be made for hashim Amla at his peak. Best is going too far but at amla's peak you can defo rank him at the lower tier of ATG. Not upper tier obviously that tier belongs to legends like Sachin, Hayden. But you can rank Peak amla in lower ATG rank alongside people like warner(Peak), Shane Watson etc.

BTW just clarifying I don't think amla is superior to gibbs, Jack kallis, Or devillers by any means.

 

[Devadwal]

Babar is nowhere near Kohli but still he is a quality player.

 

[mikeypbadana86]

Well he got 49+ overs to bat in the all important game against NZ in semis!

The pitch was under dampness with overnight rain. kohli's LBW was "umpires call" in DRS. This was a 50 50 decision which has gone against him. What can the batter do if the ball swings and seams ? Rohit and rahul went out for low scores poking at the ball so cheply. kohli was not defending or half hearted when he tried to glance the ball on to onside.


World cup knock outs is once in life time performance. I aint sure how long have you been following. I am watching cricket since 28 years.

Inzy- 1992- rock star performance in semis 1996 - QF failed 1999 -Final failed 2003 -Failed 2007- Failed

Aravinda de-silva 1987- srilanka did not qualify 1992- didnt qualify 1996- 66 && 100+ in semis and finals 1999- failed 2003 SF- failed

Sachin- 1992 india didt qualify 1996- 66+ in semis 1999- india did not qualify 2003 finals- failed 2007- failed
2011- 80+ in semis (dropped 4 times) 2011 final-failed

The legendary all time greats from previous scored once or twice in a knock out over multiple ODI world cups. Kohli has played innumerable knock outs in t20 world cups which i know is not relevant. we should wait for 2023 knock out. If he fails again , your criticism is well justified.

 

[Mockingbird]

Shakib Al Hasan is a better ODI batsman than Babar Azam and Virat Kohli because he outscored them in the 2019 world cup.

Exactly. I was waiting for somebody to point that out to OP. Also Rohit Sharma > Babar and Kohli due to his 5 centuries at the WC.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I thought the narrative was that Babar was the one bullying teams like West Indies and failing against the big teams?

Thank you for putting this out there.

There is no narrative. you started a narrative based on that world cup lol Both were well behind a lot of other batsmen. But in Kohli's case he didn't have to as Rohit had a monsterous world cup as opener. KL Rahul played well occasionally so Kohli didn't even have enough chance for one thing.

 

[Bilal7]

Exactly. I was waiting for somebody to point that out to OP. Also Rohit Sharma > Babar and Kohli due to his 5 centuries at the WC.

That's a irrelevant point and not the 'gotcha' that you think it is. This discussion is between Babar and Kohli, specifically.

 

[Bilal7]

TIL Kohli never has to perform in the world cups because his teammates can carry him. Truly in his tier indeed.

 

[heddie19]

Also Kohli needs to prove his superiority- Since when? Let Babar first produce a single innings of the caliber of Kohli’s 183 or even his last T20 Wc innings against Pak & then we might think Babar even worthy of the comparison.

Bangladesh knocked you out in that Asia cup and Pakistan became champions. Most useless 183 runs ever.

 

[ex-q-zit]

Babar will score plenty of runs to be fair.

But most of them will be impactless.

Mate, you are contradicting yourself. On one hand you say most of his runs are impactless and other hand you say will Babar show that he is in fact, the best ODI batsman of all time by defeating Kohli at the scoring charts yet again. How will he become the best ODI batsman of all time by just defeating Kohli and scoring impactless runs? By that logic in last WC Rohit scored 5 100s so that should make Rohit the best ODI batsman of all time?

Kohli has already proven himself as a ODI great and a failure in this WC will not take anything away from him though considering the form he is in he is bound to score plenty of useful runs. As Babar what has Babar done in his career so far that Kohli has done. Kohli has 3 match winning 100s against pakistan while Babar is yet to score a 50 against India where these matches are high pressure matches with even dead rubbers being equivalent to knockout matches. Kohli has 2 50 odd ball 100s against Australia while chasing over 350 while Babar can only dream of scoring at such a rate even in ODIs. Kohli has a 100 while needing to chase 320 in 40 overs. Comparing Kohli with Babar is cricketing blasphemy.

 

[ex-q-zit]

Bangladesh knocked you out in that Asia cup and Pakistan became champions. Most useless 183 runs ever.

Ok what about the 100 he scored earlier this month and India went on to win the Asia Cup? Babar too scored a 100 but against Nepal but failed against India and SL.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Babar played an excellent knock vs NZ in 2019 which was better than any knock Kohli played in that world cup.
But if you consider their overall performance, I think it's neck and neck considering Kohli played at a higher strike rate (which OP succesfully hid) and scored well against Aus and arch Rivals Pakistan.
The run difference is not significant and also shows the difference they had in their roles, Kohli had to come after many overs due to Sharma's form.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

That's a dumb, irrelevant point and not the 'gotcha' that you think it is. This discussion is between Babar and Kohli, specifically.

The comparison is between Babar and Kohli (two cricketers) and its quite logical to bring in the relative performances of other players who played in the same world cup.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Fifty for King Babar on Indian Soil

 

[Bilal7]

The comparison is between Babar and Kohli (two cricketers) and its quite logical to bring in the relative performances of other players who played in the same world cup.

This is specifically a comparison between a 24 year old Babar and a peak Kohli during the 2019 WC and a performance watch for the upcoming world cup.

Don't pretend that you don't understand.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Bangladesh knocked you out in that Asia cup and Pakistan became champions. Most useless 183 runs ever.

We were not playing chuckers like Razzak and Ajmal.

 

[kron]

Mate, you are contradicting yourself. On one hand you say most of his runs are impactless and other hand you say will Babar show that he is in fact, the best ODI batsman of all time by defeating Kohli at the scoring charts yet again. How will he become the best ODI batsman of all time by just defeating Kohli and scoring impactless runs? By that logic in last WC Rohit scored 5 100s so that should make Rohit the best ODI batsman of all time?

Kohli has already proven himself as a ODI great and a failure in this WC will not take anything away from him though considering the form he is in he is bound to score plenty of useful runs. As Babar what has Babar done in his career so far that Kohli has done. Kohli has 3 match winning 100s against pakistan while Babar is yet to score a 50 against India where these matches are high pressure matches with even dead rubbers being equivalent to knockout matches. Kohli has 2 50 odd ball 100s against Australia while chasing over 350 while Babar can only dream of scoring at such a rate even in ODIs. Kohli has a 100 while needing to chase 320 in 40 overs. Comparing Kohli with Babar is cricketing blasphemy.

50 odd ball against what Aussie attack? Second string ones?

 

[ex-q-zit]

50 odd ball against what Aussie attack? Second string ones?

Does it matter against which attack? I am sure Babar cannot do that even against Nepal.

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This too was against a pretty decent attack

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[Mesozoic]

50 odd ball against what Aussie attack? Second string ones?

It was a first choice attack with peak Mitch Johnson, Faulkner, Mckay and Doherty.

 

[Bilal7]

It was a first choice attack with peak Mitch Johnson, Faulkner, Mckay and Doherty.

Ah yes, the first choice Aussie legends Doherty and McKay.

 

[kron]

It was a first choice attack with peak Mitch Johnson, Faulkner, Mckay and Doherty.

McKay and doherty? You serious. No Mitch starc or hazlewood. That is not a first choice attack.

 

[kron]

Does it matter against which attack? I am sure Babar cannot do that even against Nepal.

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No hzalewood or starc. Much easier to do it vs mckay Faulkner and Watson. Faulkner is a good player but he is a bowling all rounder regardless.

 

[Mesozoic]

Ah yes, the first choice Aussie legends Doherty and McKay.

McKay and doherty? You serious. No Mitch starc or hazlewood. That is not a first choice attack.

You guys are embarassing yourselves.

That was pretty much the exact same attack that Australia fielded in the Champions Trophy 2013. Hazlewood was a nobody and yet to make his debut and Starc was their reserve bowler. Atleast do some research jeez

 

[kron]

You guys are embarassing yourselves.

That was pretty much the exact same attack that Australia fielded in the Champions Trophy 2013. Hazlewood was a nobody and yet to make his debut and Starc was their reserve bowler. Atleast do some research jeez

Lol starc was no reserve. He already started playing tests by that time.

His career started in 2011 itself

Point is they were the premier fast bowlers. They were actually fast unlike mckay etc.

Kohli did NOT play full strength Australian side and dominate away from home in those times.

Even at home vs those 2 bowlers he wouldn't fare as well as he would vs mckay and co. Let's be honest about it yea?

 

[Saanji]

Babar Azam, despite being in the infancy of his career in 2019 batted better than his more accomplished rival at the last world cup.

​

Innings	Innings	Runs	Average	Highest Score	100s/50s	6s/4s
Babar Azam	8	474	67.71	101*	1/3	2/50
Virat Kohli	9	443	55.37	82	0/5	2/38

​

Can Kohli finally have a world cup to remember and prove his superiority once and for all? Or will Babar show that he is in fact, the best ODI batsman of all time by defeating Kohli at the scoring charts yet again?

We will find out soon enough.

No one literally no one in their right mind consider kohli below babar.
Kohli is considered an all time great by almost all.. babar doesn't figure in those conversations

 

[ex-q-zit]

No hzalewood or starc. Much easier to do it vs mckay Faulkner and Watson. Faulkner is a good player but he is a bowling all rounder regardless.

Ok, tell me honestly. Will Babar have ever hit a 50 ball ton ever against the same attack?

 

[kron]

Ok, tell me honestly. Will Babar have ever hit a 50 ball ton ever against the same attack?

Nope

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Lol starc was no reserve. He already started playing tests by that time.

His career started in 2011 itself

Point is they were the premier fast bowlers. They were actually fast unlike mckay etc.

Kohli did NOT play full strength Australian side and dominate away from home in those times.

Even at home vs those 2 bowlers he wouldn't fare as well as he would vs mckay and co. Let's be honest about it yea?

Starc was not consistently a first choice bowler until a few months before the World Cup. Also had a stress fracture around the time and was out for a year.

Hazlewood also became regular only 4 months before the World Cup. Not in 2013

 

[Mesozoic]

Starc was not consistently a first choice bowler until a few months before the World Cup. Also had a stress fracture around the time and was out for a year.

Hazlewood also became regular only 4 months before the World Cup. Not in 2013

No point arguing with people who are clueless and don't know what they're talking about.

We're only losing brain cells at this point lol.

 

[jnaveen1980]

India has moved past Kohli. Gill, Jaiswal, later on Pant will be taking over. Swansong for kohli. India can still put up a bloody good performance without kohli in ODIs. They beat full strength SA with b string side not long ago. Only subcontinent fans are obsessed with individual records ignoring the impact.

 

[Smbhayi]

BTW just clarifying I don't think amla is superior to gibbs, Jack kallis, Or devillers by any means.

Actually Amla is definitely superior to both Hayden and Gibbs..

 

[kron]

India has moved past Kohli. Gill, Jaiswal, later on Pant will be taking over. Swansong for kohli. India can still put up a bloody good performance without kohli in ODIs. They beat full strength SA with b string side not long ago. Only subcontinent fans are obsessed with individual records ignoring the impact.

This is true. This reminds me of when Aussies carried Clarke to a title in 2015.

Kohli could be detrimental for India in crucial games though.

This would cup will decide who is superior kohli or babar. Kohli is past his best but he has never been the best in odi world cups. He is a bilateral bully

 

[jnaveen1980]

This is true. This reminds me of when Aussies carried Clarke to a title in 2015.

Kohli could be detrimental for India in crucial games though.

This would cup will decide who is superior kohli or babar. Kohli is past his best but he has never been the best in odi world cups. He is a bilateral bully

Babar has to cross the level of guys like Rohit before getting to Kohli He is an accumulator with no intimidation factor. 2019 world cup was for all the FTBs. Babar was not even in top 5 run getter in that year.

 

[kron]

Babar has to cross the level of guys like Rohit before getting to Kohli He is an accumulator with no intimidation factor. 2019 world cup was for all the FTBs. Babar was not even in top 5 run getter in that year.

Neither did kohli. Perennial choker failure in odi world cups.
Rohit too another bonfire bilateral bully. Failure in crucial stages.

 

[heddie19]

Babar has to cross the level of guys like Rohit before getting to Kohli He is an accumulator with no intimidation factor. 2019 world cup was for all the FTBs. Babar was not even in top 5 run getter in that year.

Babar scored 474 runs in 8 innings including a match winning ton in chasing, he averaged more than world champion, Joe Root and the runs tally is higher than Kohli's runs at any WC.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Babar scored 474 runs in 8 innings including a match winning ton in chasing, he averaged more than world champion, Joe Root and the runs tally is higher than Kohli's runs at any WC.

He was less than Shakib which would make him a lesser batsman than Shakib or Rohit. Nobody in India would rate Rohit above Kohli because of that 2019 world cup lol The fun part is Kohli was not even out. He just walked foolishly based on the click sound.

 

[kron]

Neither did kohli. Perennial choker failure in odi world cups.
Rohit too another bonfire bilateral bully. Failure in crucial stages.

Bonafide***. Stupid autocorrect

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

McKay and doherty? You serious. No Mitch starc or hazlewood. That is not a first choice attack.

Mckay was the number one ranked odi bowler at that time.
Try actually watching cricket

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Ah yes, the first choice Aussie legends Doherty and McKay.

Mckay was the number ranked odi bowler so yeah he was definitely first choice

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

This is specifically a comparison between a 24 year old Babar and a peak Kohli during the 2019 WC and a performance watch for the upcoming world cup.

Don't pretend that you don't understand.

There is something called str rate in cricket and it has become more and more relevant these days, don’t pretend that you don’t understand.
Babar’s innings vs Nz was the only impact match winning innings he played in that world cup, otherwise he was too slow or scored too less.

 

[Bilal7]

Does it matter against which attack? I am sure Babar cannot do that even against Nepal.

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This too was against a pretty decent attack

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There is something called str rate in cricket and it has become more and more relevant these days, don’t pretend that you don’t understand.
Babar’s innings vs Nz was the only impact match winning innings he played in that world cup, otherwise he was too slow or scored too less.

And Babar STILL had a better world cup than Kohli who had a grand total of zero hundreds and an absolutely masterful choke when the team actually needed him.

This was also a 24 year old Baby Babar versus a peak Kohli. The SR difference was tiny.

 

[kron]

Mckay was the number one ranked odi bowler at that time.
Try actually watching cricket

Mackay is a medium pacer.

Starc and hazlewood were fast or fast medium.

Both starc and hazlewood already debuted in 2010/11. Remember they even played vs india in your 4 0 drubbing series? I believe starc got a game there.

Playing against mckay is not the same as playing vs starc or hazlewood. Record speaks for itself.

Kohli is a joke vs any full strength attack in odi world cups.

He can't even bully full strength teams in bilaterals.

 

[kron]

And Babar STILL had a better world cup than Kohli who had a grand total of zero hundreds and an absolutely masterful choke when the team actually needed him.

This was also a 24 year old Baby Babar versus a peak Kohli. The SR difference was tiny.

Mckay is a medium pacer. Comparing him to starc and hazlewood lol. And doherty. Indian fans are too cute. Stat padded number 1 is kohli. Bilateral flat track bully.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Today's match is a classic example of how Babar approaches. He was largely facing part-timers on a belter. He was like 41(53) around 20th over. He can be steady/slow and consistent. Babar Azam's strike for 2023 is 80.16 excluding Nepal. Some fans are trying to make him look like Viv Richards.

 

[mikeypbadana86]

And Babar STILL had a better world cup than Kohli who had a grand total of zero hundreds and an absolutely masterful choke when the team actually needed him.

This was also a 24 year old Baby Babar versus a peak Kohli. The SR difference was tiny.

Rohit sharma scored 5 hundreads which didn't give a century scope for kohli otherwise he did decent in 2019 world cup .

As a 22 year old he scored a crucial 35 and built patnership in 2011 world cup final

He was the highest run scorer in champions trophy final in 2013


His notable failure 2015 semis chasing 338 against aus

Another notable failure 2019 semis


Lets wait till 2023 knock outs. Kohli had 4 winning t20 innings in world cup knock outs with babar having zero. Does that make babar a stat padder or flat track bully ?

Mcgrath won more worldcups than wasim akram. Is mcgrath a better a bowler than wasim ?

Gautam gambhir had impactful knocks in odi world cup 2011 and 2007 t20. So he is better than sachin or sehwag or kohli ?

 

[Aman]

A past it Kohli to play 2 impactful innings and remain below average for rest of the tourney.

Prime Babar will score many runs to win matches against BD, Netherlands, New Zealand and maintain his average.

Sounds about right.

 

[topspin]

Today's match is a classic example of how Babar approaches. He was largely facing part-timers on a belter. He was like 41(53) around 20th over. He can be steady/slow and consistent. Babar Azam's strike for 2023 is 80.16 excluding Nepal. Some fans are trying to make him look like Viv Richards.

Thanks for sharing this.

We all knew Babar’s stats were inflated after bashing minnows and scoring against depleted attacks of the major teams.

After taking out the innings against Nepal, he has a strike rate of just 80 for the current calendar year so far, which is quite frankly nothing to write home about.

He’s an overrated milestone chaser who always wilts under pressure.