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[VIDEOS] Babar Azam vs Virat Kohli at the ICC World Cup 2023

AMSS said:
Some seriously emotional posts from pakistani fans. Because Babar did not match Kohli's peak does not mean he's not been great and invaluable to his team.

I am trying to imagine the state of Pakistan's batting for the last 5-6 years without Babar in it - it'd be shambles. To me, he gets extra points for propping up a wet noodle of a batting line-up. Kohli never had to face this in his career - always had Dhoni, Rohit, KL, Dhawan holding up the other end.
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Difference is Kohli put in the hard yards over the years to take his game to the next level wheras Babar abused his power, authority as captain to create a culture of mediocrity and comfort zones in his own game and the players around him.

He needs to be axed as captain and also needs to be dropped from the ODI, T20 format with instructions to work on his strength training and to show that he can reinvent himself as a modern T20, ODI batter.
 
Savak said:
He needs to be axed as captain and also needs to be dropped from the ODI, T20 format with instructions to work on his strength training and to show that he can reinvent himself as a modern T20, ODI batter.
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Can you provide me with proof from recent history to suggest that he will go back and reinvent himself? Or are you simply imagining that he would through wishful thinking?
 
In all honesty, Kohli has been batting in 2nd gear throughout this WC and Hafeez was exactly right in his assessment on Kohli. It's just the fact that he's got Rohit, Gill and the rest of the team to cover up his lukewarm batting.
 
AMSS said:
In all honesty, Kohli has been batting in 2nd gear throughout this WC and Hafeez was exactly right in his assessment on Kohli. It's just the fact that he's got Rohit, Gill and the rest of the team to cover up his lukewarm batting.
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Kohli is 36 years old

Not 29 like Babar Azam.
 
AMSS said:
In all honesty, Kohli has been batting in 2nd gear throughout this WC and Hafeez was exactly right in his assessment on Kohli. It's just the fact that he's got Rohit, Gill and the rest of the team to cover up his lukewarm batting.
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Good teams have roles for their batsmen. The role of Kohli and Rahul is to bat through the innings. Kohli does this with 90+ SR. There are no.medals for better SR. There are only medals for wins. He chased down the totals and he set unchaseable targets in this world cup
 
rhony said:
Good teams have roles for their batsmen. The role of Kohli and Rahul is to bat through the innings. Kohli does this with 90+ SR. There are no.medals for better SR. There are only medals for wins. He chased down the totals and he set unchaseable targets in this world cup
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:ROFLMAO:

Yes, we have all seen the medals Kohli has won for India and himself with his risk-free runs in WC15, 19 and the T20 WC just gone by.
 
''Good teams''

Indian fans saying the above unironically knowing their overpaid, pampered ''good team'' has won SFA for silverware in the last 10 years is....sobering.
 
AMSS said:
Kohli has the lowest SR of top 12 top scorers in this WC.
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Because that's his role in the team. Anchor the innings so that others can attack.

The way Rohit and Gill are attacking at the start, its something India didn't do earlier. Now openers will attack while Kohli will Anchor the innings.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Because that's his role in the team. Anchor the innings so that others can attack.

The way Rohit and Gill are attacking at the start, its something India didn't do earlier. Now openers will attack while Kohli will Anchor the innings.
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Kya baat hai yaar.

Pakistani fans are not wrong about us Indian fans - we swallow our own propaganda and get high off it.
 
AMSS said:
''Good teams''

Indian fans saying the above unironically knowing their overpaid, pampered ''good team'' has won SFA for silverware in the last 10 years is....sobering.
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Bro if your a Pakistani fan I request you to don't embarrass us any further, there is day and night diffrence between babar and kohli

We need to get out of this delusion that babar is the best batsmen in the world
 
AMSS said:
:ROFLMAO:

Yes, we have all seen the medals Kohli has won for India and himself with his risk-free runs in WC15, 19 and the T20 WC just gone by.
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And how many medals has zimbaber won. Kohli has more trophies than him anyway
 
cricketjoshila said:
Because that's his role in the team. Anchor the innings so that others can attack.

The way Rohit and Gill are attacking at the start, its something India didn't do earlier. Now openers will attack while Kohli will Anchor the innings.
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Thats right.

Strike rate is not an issue as long as Kohli is winning matches, he can change gears if required. Sometimes he has to cover up for the team when we lose early wickets, like in a game against Australia where Rohit, Gill, and Iyer went for a duck. Openers gave a good start in the match against South Africa, and Kohli-Iyer showed some resilience in the middle on a tricky, slowish pitch. He also played as per the situation against New Zealand."
 
Statpadder Inc said:
Indian fan who is desperate to put down kohli and prop up an overrated minnow and ftb like baber. Do you think we were born yesterday
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Strike Rate of Pakistan batters in World Cup 2023:
122.90 - Fakhar
115.44 - Iftikhar
100.83 - Shadab
97.96 - Shakeel
95.41 - Rizwan
93.33 - Shafique
90.00 - Imam
83.50 - Nawaz
82.90 - Babar

Kohli SR is 89
 
Kohli not only has more runs than Babar, but now more wickets too! :)
 
Statpadder Inc said:
Indian fan who is desperate to put down kohli and prop up an overrated minnow and ftb like baber. Do you think we were born yesterday
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Kohli is not my pet golden retriever for me to put him down.

But. Have you considered putting down the chips on your shoulder? It's weighing you down.
 
Virat Kohli is an all-time great batter. He has proven it on many occasions.

Babar is yet to become great batter until he becomes a chase master and demo the capability to win matches single handedly.
 
Babar has been inferior in this World Cup to all of

Rohit
Kohli
Iyer
Rahul

He was slightly better than Gill and that's about it.

Just doesn't have it to compete with anyone in India's top order
 
As much as I hate cry baby Kohli, he’s not needed to bat out of his skin as the openers and the ones around him have fired, but one thing Kohli does that Babar fails at is keeping his strike rate above 100
 
Thephenom said:
As much as I hate cry baby Kohli, he’s not needed to bat out of his skin as the openers and the ones around him have fired, but one thing Kohli does that Babar fails at is keeping his strike rate above 100
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That match vs australia at the beginning of the tournament was fought and won riding on one name Virat Kohli ..If it was just another ordinary name then Aussies would have been all over India in that match..Who knows what would have happened after that defeat ???
 
AMSS said:
:ROFLMAO:

Yes, we have all seen the medals Kohli has won for India and himself with his risk-free runs in WC15, 19 and the T20 WC just gone by.
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When the team wins a lot of games, you get desensitized and don't appreciate the wins. When aussies nailed Rohit for a big duck, it was Kohli that chased it down. Without those "risk free" runs India would have lost a bunch of games this world cup and in the previous world cups too.

Risk free scoring is a gift. It's the skill of the mighty. There are no guarantees but this is the closest to a guarantee. That's why kohli is called a chase master. Swinging the bat like a mad person is everybody's cup of tea. Scoring with discipline and trying to win is what a very few can aspire to achieve.
 
Iamcoolwhiz said:
Babar is dravid level player in ODIs minus the mental strength that Dravid possessed.
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this is an under rated comment and Iam pretty sure that RD would be miffed at this comparison with Babar

Reason:


PlayerMatInngsNORunsHSAveBFSR100's
Dravid(1999)88146114565.8553985.522
Babar(2023)9913207440.0038682.900


TLDR: More runs in one less inngs at a better SR and far better avg and most importantly at a better SR nearly 25 yrs ago !!!
 
AMSS said:
Classic Indian fan. Angry and delusional in equal measure.
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I will admit that I am a Babar fan (even being an Indian) but not a blind one. Forget Kohli but it is futile to compare Babar with some of the greats that Pakistan has produced during their nineties and 00s. Babar's enemies are some of their clueless fans who hype him once he scores a ton against Nepal and disses him once he gets out to one of the finest blowing attacks.

Babar is the best among the current crop in the Pakistan lineup. His blind fans can do him a favor and not start comparing with the GOATS of cricket, period.
 
rhony said:
When the team wins a lot of games, you get desensitized and don't appreciate the wins. When aussies nailed Rohit for a big duck, it was Kohli that chased it down. Without those "risk free" runs India would have lost a bunch of games this world cup and in the previous world cups too.

Risk free scoring is a gift. It's the skill of the mighty. There are no guarantees but this is the closest to a guarantee. That's why kohli is called a chase master. Swinging the bat like a mad person is everybody's cup of tea. Scoring with discipline and trying to win is what a very few can aspire to achieve.
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Yass! As an Indian fan I am desensitized from all the ICC silverware Kohli has gifted us fans with his risk free batting. Skill of the mighty Kohli is a spectacle ......until we are chasing 240 in a WC semifinal. Next.
 
AMSS said:
Yass! As an Indian fan I am desensitized from all the ICC silverware Kohli has gifted us fans with his risk free batting. Skill of the mighty Kohli is a spectacle ......until we are chasing 240 in a WC semifinal. Next.
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You cant win silver ware by losing the league games. That would be like Pakistan or Sri Lanka going home. He actually won the CT final with risk free batting against England. He scored in the T20 SF against West Indies. He scored against SL in the T20 final too. He was the only one.

Being frustrated fan isn't always crying about one person that actually performs. Instead of crying one needs to analyze why Indian team hasn't won tournaments so far. Is it because Rohit and Dhawan were midgets against swinging ball? Is it because Indian middle.order was a joke with over the hill Yuvraj and Dhoni after 2015? Or is it because of sub par bowling units? Maybe all of them. Finally India seemed to have ticked those boxes and looks like winning this one. Maybe your crying can hold for a few more.days and wait until India loses.
 
Why are people bashing kohli? The dude has the highest average this cup? Is the highest run Getter and literally won the aus and NZ game and is showing his masterclass ability in chasing?

Everyone out here criticising his slow 100 of 120 balls on a difficult pitch. All of you are acting as if sa belted 400 on this pitch, sa got humiliated when they came out to bat lol.

Babar isn't fit to lace kohli's boots. He never was. Reason I'm angry at babar is because he should just focus on doing his own thing and try to be the batsmen who bats through the wntire innings for Pakistan and helps others around him.

The kohli comparisons should stop, Babar at his best will become an anchorer and the man who bats through. At his worst he will be dropped.

Kohli will be remembered for being one of the greatest chasers in cricket history, the man who broke Tendulkar record and an ATG of the game in the class of Sachin, viv, bradman etc.
 
mominsaigol said:
Why are people bashing kohli? The dude has the highest average this cup? Is the highest run Getter and literally won the aus and NZ game and is showing his masterclass ability in chasing?

Everyone out here criticising his slow 100 of 120 balls on a difficult pitch. All of you are acting as if sa belted 400 on this pitch, sa got humiliated when they came out to bat lol.

Babar isn't fit to lace kohli's boots. He never was. Reason I'm angry at babar is because he should just focus on doing his own thing and try to be the batsmen who bats through the wntire innings for Pakistan and helps others around him.

The kohli comparisons should stop, Babar at his best will become an anchorer and the man who bats through. At his worst he will be dropped.

Kohli will be remembered for being one of the greatest chasers in cricket history, the man who broke Tendulkar record and an ATG of the game in the class of Sachin, viv, bradman etc.
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He never was :D

Babar's runs in his first 50 over WCs are more than Kohli's runs of all the WCs before this one and he played 2 WCs at his home. Tch tch tch. Who isn't fit to lace who's boots now?

Kohli isn't fit to lace any of the great's boots in red-ball. All his big scores in Test cricket are agaisnt minnows C and D string bowling attacks.
 
heddie19 said:
If Asad Shafiq was allowed to play ODIs full time, he would have become a Kohli type batsman.
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And that's why PCB hasn't bothered to play him? Or is it because you already have batsmen better than Kohli?
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Babar has been inferior in this World Cup to all of

Rohit
Kohli
Iyer
Rahul

He was slightly better than Gill and that's about it.

Just doesn't have it to compete with anyone in India's top order
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Babar is not even better than 2 or 3 Pakistan batsmen. Played "ultra-safe, stat padding, impact-less" innings even on good batting decks. The NZ match was a case in point. That was an atrocious innings. Fakhar had to play out of his skin to make up for that innings. Fakhar > Babar in this World Cup. Gill was trying to be over-aggressive and gave his wicket away. Today Ian Smith or some other commie said the same. "He could have played risk-free cricket and made more runs. But he chose not to do". Pandya even had to call his approach timid. Useless numbers.
 
heddie19 said:
He never was :D

Babar's runs in his first 50 over WCs are more than Kohli's runs of all the WCs before this one and he played 2 WCs at his home. Tch tch tch. Who isn't fit to lace who's boots now?

Kohli isn't fit to lace any of the great's boots in red-ball. All his big scores in Test cricket are agaisnt minnows C and D string bowling attacks.
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I used to think that you just troll and you are aware about Babar being a very good bat.

And Kohli in a different league of ATG bat.

Its just the green lipstick and Babar Azam name that makes you woozy in the head.

Thank goodness we have better readers of the game.

And we know what is ability of Babar and Kohli.

Otherwise it sounds like Babar has won Pakistan 3 World Cups and Kohli has lost 3 in all threads.
 
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I think I’m bashing Babar for no reason and just reacting to Kohli vs Babar threads because I like Babar as a batsman.

Defn this means I need a break lol
 
yea thats obviously not true. no need to feed the troll.
in red ball though, given his weakness vs outside off and quality wrist spin, i must say kohli is 3rd for me out of big 4 at their best. kane being the biggest stat padder at 4th.
 
People know the truth.

However, in their minds, acknowledging the truth is more embarrassing than trolling but they are wrong.

If I’m wrong and they don’t know the truth then we have got some massive issues.
 
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Mamoon said:
People know the truth.

However, in their minds, acknowledging the truth is more embarrassing than trolling but they are wrong.

If I’m wrong and they don’t know the truth then we have got some massive issues.
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I've said it multiple times before, such fans know the truth. It's their ego that prevents them from admitting it. Any cricket fan with half decent intelligence knows the truth.
 
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FearlessRoar said:
Virat Kohli is an all-time great batter. He has proven it on many occasions.

Babar is yet to become great batter until he becomes a chase master and demo the capability to win matches single handedly.
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Their more ways then chase Master to become an atg.

An atg is someone who has an unreplicable impact on the game.

With gilchrist it was his freak opening
With kohli it's chasing
With rohit it's proper bullying and domination
With wasim it's utter bowling magic
With Dhoni it's captaincy, finishing and freak wicket keeping

Problem is babar doesn't stand on his own. What seprates Bobby that makes him an atg and recognizable brand? Absolutely nothing.
 
Mamoon said:
It is official now - Kohli is the greatest ODI batsman of all time.
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And I will agree to it instead of showing my bias every time. How do you compare this India's side vs the aussies of '03 and '07??
 
35 yr old Kohli made 3 centuries and 5 fifties in 10 inns.
 
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Virat was not even the best batsman in show today.

Rohit started the massacre
Gill continued to put the pressure
Iyer scored the better ton
KL with explosive finishing

Virat basically was the anchor. The others took the risks and did the heavy lifting.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Virat was not even the best batsman in show today.

Rohit started the massacre
Gill continued to put the pressure
Iyer scored the better ton
KL with explosive finishing

Virat basically was the anchor. The others took the risks and did the heavy lifting.
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And this is what a world-class batting lineup looks like. India looks invincible. This is and has been their World Cup to lose.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Virat was not even the best batsman in show today.

Rohit started the massacre
Gill continued to put the pressure
Iyer scored the better ton
KL with explosive finishing

Virat basically was the anchor. The others took the risks and did the heavy lifting.
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Yes, you are right. Most of the times, Kohli dominates once he crosses 100, but today the rest of the team dominated, and he played an anchoring innings.
 
Bilal7 said:
Babar Azam, despite being in the infancy of his career in 2019 batted better than his more accomplished rival at the last world cup.

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InningsInningsRunsAverageHighest Score100s/50s6s/4s
Babar Azam847467.71101*1/32/50
Virat Kohli944355.37820/52/38

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Can Kohli finally have a world cup to remember and prove his superiority once and for all? Or will Babar show that he is in fact, the best ODI batsman of all time by defeating Kohli at the scoring charts yet again?

We will find out soon enough.
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Has Kohli finally proven to you that he is better than Babar?
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Virat was not even the best batsman in show today.

Rohit started the massacre
Gill continued to put the pressure
Iyer scored the better ton
KL with explosive finishing

Virat basically was the anchor. The others took the risks and did the heavy lifting.
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Virat said in that interview after our innings that he has been given the role to anchor the innings.
 
#BabarSher has played 17 World cup matches as of now. Here's his comparison with Kohli after 17 World cup matches. The Pakistani Punjabi has scored 794 runs at 53/86 with 1 century and 7 fifties while the Indian Punjabi had scored 587 runs at 42/82 with 2 centuries and 1 fifty.

babarworldcup.jpg
 
kingusama92 said:
To be fair, Babar's runs were scored away from home.

It's best to subtract 392 runs from Kohli's total to factor in that advantage.
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Excellent point. I would think Babar's runs should be counted twice.

Joke aside, Babar does not have a game for a top class hitting at any stage and then he is very poor against top class spin. Too many flaws to get anywhere close to top Tier batsmen.
 
asfandyar said:
#BabarSher has played 17 World cup matches as of now. Here's his comparison with Kohli after 17 World cup matches. The Pakistani Punjabi has scored 794 runs at 53/86 with 1 century and 7 fifties while the Indian Punjabi had scored 587 runs at 42/82 with 2 centuries and 1 fifty.

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Do those mentioned stats include Babar's recent knock of 150 against Nepal? :ROFLMAO:
 
asfandyar said:
No, but here are his stats against SENAI

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Gotta say that this was a really unexpected world cup from Babar.

Pak had 5 games total at Hyd + Bengaluru+ Ahmedabad all of which were batting beauties with small boundaries. Even accounting for being in big chases twice, player of Babar's capability should have had atleast one big defining hundred in those 5 inns.
 
The funny thing is there was difference of only 31 runs between Babar and Kohli's total in 2019.

In 2023 WC, peak Babar who is in his prime years has been overshadowed by old Kohli and baby Kohli (Gill).
 
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Thanos said:
Funny thing is there was difference of only 31 runs between Babar and Kohli's total in 2019.

In 2023 WC, peak Babar who is in his prime years has been overshadowed by old Kohli and baby Kohli (Gill).
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Kohli was not even out against Pakistan. But given out. And also openers did fabulously well that he didn't get enough chances. With Babar he was the highest scorer in his team. Rohit had 600 plus.
 
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jnaveen1980 said:
Kohli was not even out against Pakistan. But given out. And also openers did fabulously well that he didn't get enough chances. With Babar he was the highest scorer in his team. Rohit had 600 plus.
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Agree. But what amazed me is that this guy has audacity to troll for mere 30 runs. That too Kohli. Lol
 
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