[PICTURES] Who is the most complete batter of the Fab four?

[Hyperion66]

Smith is an okay ODI player, nothing more than that, hell I would pick Babar Azam over him anyday.

 

[BlackShadow]

I agree, Smith only averages 53 away from home, far better than Kohli who averages 46. Smith is only good on home pitches.

He is right though.

So far, Smith has only bullied sides in Oceania, and averages a stellar 145 in West Indies.

Other than that he averages 20s or low 40s in most country, not good enough.

 

[Varun]

Gooch got better. Atherton and Nasser were about the same. Gatting the skipper was about the same in average as before captaincy but instead of consistency tended to go fail, fail, 150, fail, fail, 180.

Atherton was only a middling test player to begin with. Nasser declined over time, and resigned from ODIs, then from Tests as the pressure got to him. Likewise with Vaughan, then Strauss, and Cook. All of it coincided with declines in their form, and came to the fore with a hefty home defeat, typically to South Africa.

All of this while the rest of the world were producing longer term captains - Ponting, Graeme Smith, Dhoni, etc. Wonder why England are different in this regard?

 

[Haroon786]

Different strokes for different people.

Steve Smith ODI record
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I wouldn't take the guy who averages 28 at a S/R of 76 over the likes of Root, leave alone Kohli.

I'm unsurprised that several Kohli fans have been triggered but those stats have no meaning in terms of what I have stated.

 

[Haroon786]

Bit of context here,

In WC'15 SF, Kohli was chasing an improbable 330. Such a score has never been chased in any world tourney knockouts and will probably never be. Smith had the far easier task of setting the target for India. And the kind of attack Smith's Australia had for that WC, Kohli didn't have any chance to chase that target anyways, while the attack Smith faced was benign to say the least.

In WC'15 Finals, he had to chase 180-odd at home for heaven's sake and he scored an unbeaten 50 to take his team home against a team which was mentally shot anyway for getting dismissed for under 200 score in a WC final.

On the basis of these 2 innings, Smith is a better ODI bat than Kohli!

Nope, I haven't said that Smith is the better ODI bat, Kohli is the better batsman. However, I'd take Smith when it matters the most as of now, unless their respective records differ at the biggest stage.

 

[Haroon786]

Atherton was only a middling test player to begin with. Nasser declined over time, and resigned from ODIs, then from Tests as the pressure got to him. Likewise with Vaughan, then Strauss, and Cook. All of it coincided with declines in their form, and came to the fore with a hefty home defeat, typically to South Africa.

All of this while the rest of the world were producing longer term captains - Ponting, Graeme Smith, Dhoni, etc. Wonder why England are different in this regard?

That's harsh, having to face the era of bowlers that were playing for Pakistan, SA, Aus and WI, I doubt you'd see many openers from any era averaging 45 in the 90s, So a smidgen under 40 isn't much to scoff at.

 

[a_tahir]

In an u14 country game root was given the opportunity to be the captain of his u14 county side. His team scored 400 against a relatively weak batting and bowling side. My man root, the captain he was, failed so badly that the first time in u14 english cricket history a team chased 400 to win the match. This is not a lie u can the clip of root admitting that on the internet.

The burden of captaincy has always taken a toll on root.

 

[Sin Nombre]

I'm unsurprised that several Kohli fans have been triggered but those stats have no meaning in terms of what I have stated.

As I said, different strokes for different people.

Some people prefer a batsman with an average of 28 at S/R 76. Others don't.

 

[JattMaula]

Nope, I haven't said that Smith is the better ODI bat, Kohli is the better batsman. However, I'd take Smith when it matters the most as of now, unless their respective records differ at the biggest stage.

I would take Smith in my odi team too. Our kaptaan has failed every time he is under pressure.

 

[JattMaula]

As I said, different strokes for different people.

Some people prefer a batsman with an average of 28 at S/R 76. Others don't.

And some people will take a batter who has won WC knockouts with bat to one who has lost multiple odi tournament knockouts with his bat.

 

[Sin Nombre]

And some people will take a batter who has won WC knockouts with bat to one who has lost multiple odi tournament knockouts with his bat.

Yes.

Some people like the guy who has won one WC at home and accomplished nothing else.

Others like the one who has won a WC, a CT top scoring in the final, been the MoTS in 2 ICC T20 WCs and in the team of the tournament in 2 CTs.

 

[JattMaula]

Yes.

Some people like the guy who has won one WC at home and accomplished nothing else.

Others like the one who has won a WC, a CT top scoring in the final, been the MoTS in 2 ICC T20 WCs and in the team of the tournament in 2 CTs.

Kaptaan choked in WC15 semi and CT17final. Till date 2 biggest ICC odi matches he has played.

I don't expect anything from him. Just hope other players carry him somehow.

 

[JattMaula]

Kaptaan choked in WC15 semi and CT17final. Till date 2 biggest ICC odi matches he has played.

I don't expect anything from him. Just hope other players carry him somehow.

WC11 final does not count. GG and MSD did heavy lifting.

 

[Sin Nombre]

Kaptaan choked in WC15 semi and CT17final. Till date 2 biggest ICC odi matches he has played.

I don't expect anything from him. Just hope other players carry him somehow.

So CT13 final, WC11 final, T20 WC14 finals don't count?

 

[WengerOut]

Kaptaan choked in WC15 semi and CT17final. Till date 2 biggest ICC odi matches he has played.

I don't expect anything from him. Just hope other players carry him somehow.

Please mention any players who played a match winning knock in the finals chasing 330.

And the most important ODI match he played was 2011 WC final. You are conveniently missing that and the CT 2013 final.

 

[Sin Nombre]

WC11 final does not count. GG and MSD did heavy lifting.

But WC15 final counts even though the match was won by Johnson and Starc on the bowling side, and then Warner destroyed any leftover NZ hopes in the chase. Clarke came in after and also comfortably outscored the cheap run getter.

 

[giri26]

Kaptaan choked in WC15 semi and CT17final. Till date 2 biggest ICC odi matches he has played.

I don't expect anything from him. Just hope other players carry him somehow.

What happened with 2013 CT finals where he was the top scorer? I just hope people stop with the finals nonsense. A player has to be consistent throughout the tournament, not just in semi's and finals. You need performances throughout for a team to even make to the knockout. In a world tournament like CT and World Cup, every game is a pressure game not just the Semi's and finals.

 

[WengerOut]

WC11 final does not count. GG and MSD did heavy lifting.

Did you even watch the 2011 final and the context of his innings? I

 

[WengerOut]

What happened with 2013 CT finals where he was the top scorer? I just hope people stop with the finals nonsense. A player has to be consistent throughout the tournament, not just in semi's and finals. You need performances throughout for a team to even make to the knockout. In a world tournament like CT and World Cup, every game is a pressure game not just the Semi's and finals.

Exactly. The excuse they put forward is performing under pressure. If the guy has performed in pressure situations, haters will bring out new criteria like T20 WC pressure, ODI WC pressure, Test match pressure. Rubbish.

 

[JattMaula]

Did you even watch the 2011 final and the context of his innings? I

I watched the WC11 final on a professional projector with 100's of people on Pune rooftops. Wonderful day.

 

[Sin Nombre]

The one thing which Kohli haters don't realize is that Kohli's insane consistency is the biggest reason why India have the following run in the last 5 LOI tournaments - winners, finals, semifinals, semifinals, finals. No other team has even come close.

And that's not counting the 2011 WC which he won as a baccha.

 

[JattMaula]

So CT13 final, WC11 final, T20 WC14 finals don't count?

CT13final was practically a T20.

I already expressed my opinion on cw11final.

T20 wc14 final was a T20 match.

 

[JattMaula]

Please mention any players who played a match winning knock in the finals chasing 330.

And the most important ODI match he played was 2011 WC final. You are conveniently missing that and the CT 2013 final.

330 was above par but not impossible in today's playing conditions. team India does semi regularly chase 300+.

 

[JattMaula]

But WC15 final counts even though the match was won by Johnson and Starc on the bowling side, and then Warner destroyed any leftover NZ hopes in the chase. Clarke came in after and also comfortably outscored the cheap run getter.

Along with final, Smith also scored against other undefeated and form team in semis.

 

[JattMaula]

What happened with 2013 CT finals where he was the top scorer? I just hope people stop with the finals nonsense. A player has to be consistent throughout the tournament, not just in semi's and finals. You need performances throughout for a team to even make to the knockout. In a world tournament like CT and World Cup, every game is a pressure game not just the Semi's and finals.

Yes. Every WC game is important and our kaptaan is not so good in those matches too.

And knockouts are more important and he is downright pedestrian in those.

 

[WengerOut]

330 was above par but not impossible in today's playing conditions. team India does semi regularly chase 300+.

Please mention the other players. 330 is not regular in finals. That too on large Aussie grounds. CT 17, he got dismissed by a brilliant spell.

 

[WengerOut]

CT13final was practically a T20.

I already expressed my opinion on cw11final.

T20 wc14 final was a T20 match.

So there was no pressure in CT 2013 finals or other T20 finals. Or are there different pressures? CT knockout matches don't count?

 

[JattMaula]

Please mention the other players. 330 is not regular in finals. That too on large Aussie grounds. CT 17, he got dismissed by a brilliant spell.

These are weak excuses. Large grounds and brilliant spells are not supernatural occurances.

 

[JattMaula]

So there was no pressure in CT 2013 finals or other T20 finals. Or are there different pressures? CT knockout matches don't count?

WC is 50 over tournament. He has pedestrian record in those. Other formats don't count. Nor do the million hundreds against Sri Lanka in JAMODIs.

 

[WengerOut]

These are weak excuses. Large grounds and brilliant spells are not supernatural occurances.

I see you don't have other players. Also for CT knockout records.

 

[WengerOut]

WC is 50 over tournament. He has pedestrian record in those. Other formats don't count. Nor do the million hundreds against Sri Lanka in JAMODIs.

He averages 41 in WC if i am not wrong. That is not pedestrian. Again you are avoiding his CT records

 

[JattMaula]

I see you don't have other players. Also for CT knockout records.

Don't care about other players. And TBH don't remember other games from CT's.

 

[JattMaula]

He averages 41 in WC if i am not wrong. That is not pedestrian. Again you are avoiding his CT records

So 33% drop in performance in matches that count?

 

[WengerOut]

Don't care about other players. And TBH don't remember other games from CT's.

You don't care because there are none. Take a look at his CT knockout records. Unless you are intentionally avoiding those.

 

[WengerOut]

So 33% drop in performance in matches that count?

Yes. He is performing at a good level from the otherworldly performance otherwise. Mostly because of his rookie WC performance i guess

 

[JattMaula]

You don't care because there are none. Take a look at his CT knockout records. Unless you are intentionally avoiding those.

Not my intention to avoid whatever little he has achieved. I'm happy he contributed something to India winning.

My point was that I will take a proven performer in knockouts above a failure in my team. Smith above kaptaan.

 

[WengerOut]

Not my intention to avoid whatever little he has achieved. I'm happy he contributed something to India winning.

My point was that I will take a proven performer in knockouts above a failure in my team. Smith above kaptaan.

Such a specific criteria but not surprising coming from a hater. Way to go Paaji

 

[Sin Nombre]

Along with final, Smith also scored against other undefeated and form team in semis.

Batting first and under no pressure, at home.

Smith's other ICC tournaments


T20 WC2010 - failed
WC 2011 - failed
T20 WC2016 - failed
CT 2017 (virtual knockout against England) - selfishly batted too slow to get a 50 and failed

I am guessing you just like repeat failures. Good.

 

[JattMaula]

Batting first and under no pressure, at home.

Smith's other ICC tournaments


T20 WC2010 - failed
WC 2011 - failed
T20 WC2016 - failed
CT 2017 (virtual knockout against England) - selfishly batted too slow to get a 50 and failed

I am guessing you just like repeat failures. Good.

10 and 11 don't count as he was an all-rounder back then.

T20wc was a T20 tournament.

He scored a 50 in a vertual knockout. Like he did in final WC15 and century in semi WC 15. What has kaptaan done in comparison? A 50 in CT13 semi?

 

[WengerOut]

10 and 11 don't count as he was an all-rounder back then.

T20wc was a T20 tournament.

He scored a 50 in a vertual knockout. Like he did in final WC15 and century in semi WC 15. What has kaptaan done in comparison? A 50 in CT13 semi?

He averages 101 in CT knockouts.

 

[JattMaula]

He averages 101 in CT knockouts.

And yet choked in one discipline he excells in, chasing a big total. That too in most important CT knockout.

 

[WengerOut]

And yet choked in one discipline he excells in, chasing a big total. That too in most important CT knockout.

He chased in the semis also. First it was KO. Now it is most important KO. Later it will be Best of the most important KO, greatest of the best of the most important KO etc. Criterias galore.

 

[Sin Nombre]

10 and 11 don't count as he was an all-rounder back then.

T20wc was a T20 tournament.

He scored a 50 in a vertual knockout. Like he did in final WC15 and century in semi WC 15. What has kaptaan done in comparison? A 50 in CT13 semi?

Scoring a 50 at a S/R of 72, while everyone else batted at a SR of 100.


You must really like Rayadu with your love for match losing knocks.

 

[JattMaula]

Scoring a 50 at a S/R of 72, while everyone else batted at a SR of 100.


You must really like Rayadu with your love for match losing knocks.

Nope.

Kaptaan is specialist in match losing in knockouts. Has lost at least one knockout match in every tournament post CT13.

 

[WengerOut]

Nope.

Kaptaan is specialist in match losing in knockouts. Has lost at least one knockout match in every tournament post CT13.

ABDV has lost every KO.

 

[happydavy]

That is frankly stupid criteria.

No it's not. Players like Pujara bring out one of the qualities required in test cricket, which is patience. But test cricket has to be more than just patience.

 

[MP2011]

I'm surprised people are fighting here over whether Kohli is a greater ODI bat than Smith!

 

[Ab Fan]

Root is still a high quality batsmen. His only issue is lack of test hundreds away from home.

Definitely a great and if he improves on that, will become an ATG.

A great ODI bat as well. He has a strong case to become the greatest bat to have come from England in last 40 years.

 

[Mobashir]

Bit of context here,

In WC'15 SF, Kohli was chasing an improbable 330. Such a score has never been chased in any world tourney knockouts and will probably never be. Smith had the far easier task of setting the target for India. And the kind of attack Smith's Australia had for that WC, Kohli didn't have any chance to chase that target anyways, while the attack Smith faced was benign to say the least.

In WC'15 Finals, he had to chase 180-odd at home for heaven's sake and he scored an unbeaten 50 to take his team home against a team which was mentally shot anyway for getting dismissed for under 200 score in a WC final.

On the basis of these 2 innings, Smith is a better ODI bat than Kohli!

Thank you for your context.
In the other semi final played, New Zealand chased 298 in 43 overs!

Cary on and search more excuses for Kohli's failures in nearly every big match.

 

[MP2011]

Thank you for your context.
In the other semi final played, New Zealand chased 298 in 43 overs!

Cary on and search more excuses for Kohli's failures in nearly every big match.

Excuses? Why do I've to offer excuses for world's second best ODI bat ever? It might be a coping mechanism for someone like you though!

So now you are comparing chasing runs on an Australian ground against an Australian attack comprising of Starc, Hazlewood & Johnson in a WC SF? BTW, which great ODI bowler did SA have in their bowling lineup?

And if you didn't know NZ were still chasing (on significantly smaller sized NZ ground) a score less than 300 which is still significantly lower than 330!

PS: Did I mention that SA has always choked in WC knock outs save their last game in QF against hapless SL? If SA can't win a WC SF even after posting nearly 300 in a WC SF against perennial Semi Finalists NZ, they never will!

 

[Hitman]

LOL, remind me of Kohli's bitter haters before his last tour to England. Until then the only thing that mattered to them was his poor show in his previous tour to England. Such a shame Kohli knocked all of them out

Now the only thing that matters is his failure in the 2015 WC Semis. I wonder what custom made criteria they'll develop after this WC.

 

[MP2011]

I'm unsurprised that several Kohli fans have been triggered but those stats have no meaning in terms of what I have stated.

Triggered? So now contesting a point put forward on an online forum is getting triggered?

 

[Mobashir]

Excuses? Why do I've to offer excuses for world's second best ODI bat ever? It might be a coping mechanism for someone like you though!

So now you are comparing chasing runs on an Australian ground against an Australian attack comprising of Starc, Hazlewood & Johnson in a WC SF? BTW, which great ODI bowler did SA have in their bowling lineup?

And if you didn't know NZ were still chasing (on significantly smaller sized NZ ground) a score less than 300 which is still significantly lower than 330!

PS: Did I mention that SA has always choked in WC knock outs save their last game in QF against hapless SL? If SA can't win a WC SF even after posting nearly 300 in a WC SF against perennial Semi Finalists NZ, they never will!

Now you are going in 129 different directions just to not admit you were wrong.

Not so nice thing to do, but quite common these days.

 

[MP2011]

Means you've no answer.

Happens! No need to get sheepish!

 

[sunny85]

I will say Azam is better than Smith.

Reason- He is a Pakistani product so has been developed from limited resources which in itself is a big feat.

Better record in less matches than Smith.

Has to carry burden of 300mn insane fans. Who abuse and praise player on same day.

Virat is way back but has time to catch up with these 2 batsmen

 

[MP2011]

Yeah, Babar is better than Smith in ODIs. Much more dynamic and more likely to succeed in unfavorable environs.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Is this even debatable?
The king Virat kohli.

 

[sunny85]

No babar is king. Sshhhhhh

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Kohli scored in SA in 2013 only bcoz pitches were flat. - highest scorer of 2018
Kohli can't hold the bat in swinging conditions. - eng 2018
Kohli has won nothing for india-first asian captain to win a series in aus

I am 100% sure kohli will play an atg innings in wc knockouts this time.
The haters will receive yet another brogue kick on their shameless faces.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

No babar is king. Sshhhhhh

As of now he is on jagirdar level.

 

[Madplayer]

All of those saying Smith is better than kohli would choose Kohli if they had to pick someone to bat for their life in any format of the game, in any match, knock out or not.

Harsh truth.

 

[Boxer]

I will say Azam is better than Smith.

Reason- He is a Pakistani product so has been developed from limited resources which in itself is a big feat.

Better record in less matches than Smith.

Has to carry burden of 300mn insane fans. Who abuse and praise player on same day.

Virat is way back but has time to catch up with these 2 batsmen

Yet Babar Azam says he looks up to match Kohli's batting technique.

 

[xricket]

Virat Kohli, without a doubt.

If he can work on negating swing, he could go in the history, as an all time great! May be remembered better than Bradman.

As a Pakistani, I am so jealous of him. I mean, during match against Pakistan, I am in a conflict whether to enjoy his batting or to pray that we win lol

 

[Haroon786]

As I said, different strokes for different people.

Some people prefer a batsman with an average of 28 at S/R 76. Others don't.

Pitiful to see the lack of foresight, but fair enough, good on you pal.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Virat Kohli, without a doubt.

If he can work on negating swing, he could go in the history, as an all time great! May be remembered better than Bradman.

As a Pakistani, I am so jealous of him. I mean, during match against Pakistan, I am in a conflict whether to enjoy his batting or to pray that we win lol

He already did by standing a foot outside the crease. He receieves it early. NObody can bully him with bouncer even from there.

 

[Haroon786]

Triggered? So now contesting a point put forward on an online forum is getting triggered?

Yes, you in particular have been triggered by the mention of Smith being preferred over Kohli in a very specific scenario, which you've overlooked and somehow, have extrapolated that to me saying that Smith is better than Kohli in ODIs when I have not said that.

 

[jnaveen1980]

All of those saying Smith is better than kohli would choose Kohli if they had to pick someone to bat for their life in any format of the game, in any match, knock out or not.

Harsh truth.

It is a miracle that Smith managed to score so many runs with that funky technique. Credit to him. Lot of the time when he goes right across with no proper head position or anything you would think he is going to miss it. But incredibly his bat would come at the right time. He has some natural gift like Sehwag. But it will desert you as you get older and older.

 

[Mamoon]

This era will be remembered for Kohli, not Smith. He is by far the greatest cricketer of this decade and 50 years from now, the 2010 era will be considered as the Kohli era.

He has a higher standing than Smith even in Australia. His only challenge is to win over a few posters on PP now. In terms of stature, Smith is a distant second, who is quite interchangeable with the likes of Root and Williamson. Kohli though, is in a league of his own. A king among men. It is futile to deny his greatness.

Smith cannot touch him.

 

[Sachin136]

IMO, Fab 4 has been miscounted. There 3 batsmen who can claim to be the best in the game with emphasis on Test cricket:

Smith
Williamson
Root

Kohli is not at the class of those 3 yet and I suspect never will be. He is a limited overs beast only.

This post has certainly not aged well.

Kohli is now well ahead of Williamson and Root even in tests, and I suspect he'll be well ahead once Smith returns too. The only reason Smith is close to Kohli right now is because of Smith's brilliant record at home.

 

[Sachin136]

I agree, Smith only averages 53 away from home, far better than Kohli who averages 46. Smith is only good on home pitches.

Looking at stats like that is a cop out.

After his most recent series in England, Kohli has great performances in England (though his overall average of 36 is low), NZ (averaging 71), SA (56), and Australia (55). Those are the main four challenges for an Asian batsman. Who cares how he does in WI, SL, or Bangladesh, since those are similar to Asian conditions anyway?

Smith averages 30 in Bangladesh, 43 in England, 41 in SA, 41 in SL, and 43 in the UAE. Certainly not as impressive.

 

[xricket]

He already did by standing a foot outside the crease. He receieves it early. NObody can bully him with bouncer even from there.

But I still stand firm, on one of the points I made earlier, that a good aggressive short pitch bowling, with short leg, leg slip and short backward square, is a solution to get rid of virat kohli, especially the persistent bowling above chest around 150, without giving him any width or room, by the likes of guy who is above 6 ft. Against spin & medium, you may as well forget it.

 

[jnaveen1980]

But I still stand firm, on one of the points I made earlier, that a good aggressive short pitch bowling, with short leg, leg slip and short backward square, is a solution to get rid of virat kohli, especially the persistent bowling above chest around 150, without giving him any width or room, by the likes of guy who is above 6 ft. Against spin & medium, you may as well forget it.

Leg theories work only when he is not focused like he did in the second innings of MCG test. He stood outside the crease for everyone including starc who was averaging 148 kph. Pant did the same. These days batsmen pick up the ball very early. Only way you can get him out is with left arm bowler angling.When singles are not on offer, he tries to walk across to play thorugh on side, you can catch his edge. That too only when he looks for singles. If he decides to buckle downhe has the temperament to ride through the tough period.

 

[Chrish]

Smith > Kohli >> KW >>>>> Root

I have always believed KW had the highest ceiling but pity he doesn’t play any tests.

 

[MP2011]

Yes, you in particular have been triggered by the mention of Smith being preferred over Kohli in a very specific scenario, which you've overlooked and somehow, have extrapolated that to me saying that Smith is better than Kohli in ODIs when I have not said that.

If you truly believe the hype created by those 2 Smith innings in WC '15, sure go ahead and have him in your team in such specific scenario. I would always have Kohli in my team even in such scenarios. I know that because no amount of stats padding by Smith will change the fact that he is a vastly inferior ODI bat than Kohli in every possible parameter.

 

[MP2011]

It is a miracle that Smith managed to score so many runs with that funky technique. Credit to him. Lot of the time when he goes right across with no proper head position or anything you would think he is going to miss it. But incredibly his bat would come at the right time. He has some natural gift like Sehwag. But it will desert you as you get older and older.

This.

 

[Chrish]

Perhaps no modern batsman has reached the heights that Smith did 2013 - 2018. Sort of debunks the myth that it's impossible for modern player to be as good as Bradman.

Smith showed the world what it must have felt like bowling against the Don.

 

[MP2011]

Leg theories work only when he is not focused like he did in the second innings of MCG test. He stood outside the crease for everyone including starc who was averaging 148 kph. Pant did the same. These days batsmen pick up the ball very early. Only way you can get him out is with left arm bowler angling.When singles are not on offer, he tries to walk across to play thorugh on side, you can catch his edge. That too only when he looks for singles. If he decides to buckle downhe has the temperament to ride through the tough period.

You've to see Kohli's batting LIVE to see the kind of changes he made in his batting technique to succeed. Standing 2 Ft outside the batting crease against someone like Starc may look insanity to some, but Kohli was determined to nullify Starc.

I remember him batting 2 Ft outside the crease against someone like Rabada as well.

Not everyone has guts to do that consistently against the fastest bowlers on earth.

 

[BaankeJi]

Kohli is not only the most complete but also better batsman in each of the formats. I am surprised we are having discussion on this subject.

 

[MP2011]

Unlike some others, he doesn't go missing when going gets tough. And above all, he is cynosure of all eyes unlike some other eyesores.

 

[WengerOut]

I am surprised that Indian posters are surprised to see Kohli not being accepted in PP. Haters have run out of tangibles to degrade him and now resort to the intangibles. I mean, this is a place where a domestic bully has been proclaimed the greatest player of swing and seam ever. This is a place where a good batsman after scoring couple of flashy fifties has been pushed to the pantheon of greatness whereas Kohli had to score in Eng just to be half decent ( did not matter he scored against ATG SA attack in SA).