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jadeja has about 5 years left and ashwin maybe 3. Does india have quality spinners as good as them with the ability to bat ? gowtham maybe and axar? It's going to be interesting to see how they replace these 2 great spinners. kuldeep can't bat. I think axar or gowtham would be the best bet.

Pace bowling is in excellent hands as they have some real quality depth right now.
 
Axar is rubbish..Kuldeep is the alternative we have and he will do well. He can't bat but then we won't be able to find spinners who can bat like Jadeja and Ashwin.
 
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Will be replaced seamlessly. Don't try to make them seem like Shane Warne or Muralitharan.
 
tyron_woodley said:
jadeja has about 5 years left and ashwin maybe 3. Does india have quality spinners as good as them with the ability to bat ? gowtham maybe and axar? It's going to be interesting to see how they replace these 2 great spinners. kuldeep can't bat. I think axar or gowtham would be the best bet.

Pace bowling is in excellent hands as they have some real quality depth right now.
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I’d disagree with the options you have suggested. As you rightly said Jadeja and Ashwin have at least 3 years of test cricket left in them unless there is a major dip in their form.

Gowtham is an excellent prospect but he is already 30. Should have been in playing eleven by now. By the time Ash and Jaddu retires, He’ll be 33-34 and you can’t expect more than couple years from him.

Axar is a very good batsman for a lower order and is just 25 but he is very limited bowler. Doesn’t have the kind of bowling required in Test matches. He is more like run container and T20s suits his game. He doesn’t spin the bowl, just darts in with variation in pace.

In my opinion, India should groom two spinners to replace Ash and Jadeja who are not more than 25-26 years old. One of them has to be an excellent spinner(like Kuldeep) even if he doesn’t bat much. Other one should be a good bowler and can bat a bit.

I honestly don’t know how W. Sundar bats but if he can hang around a bit with the bat then he and Kuldeep should be groomed for next spinning pair. Sundar bowls similar to Ashwin, whereas Kuldeep is a tradition leggie.

As far as other options are concerned, I don’t see Chahal as a test match material.

Two bowlers that caught my attention are Aditya Sarwate and D Jadeja. They are proper Batsmen and a very good left arm spinners. But again they both are already 29 so can’t say how good they’ll be at the age of 33-34.

Also keep an eye on Mayank Markande and Rahul Chahar. I’d be interesting to see how they develop as leggies.
 
geraltofrivia said:
What are you talking about? Spinners can go upto 40.
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I’m not saying they can’t. Even batsmen and in some cases fast bowlers can go upto 40. But those cases are exceptions.

Can they be as effective as a 30-32 year old. And you wouldn’t want an oldie running around the field being a liability as a fielder. True that their primary role is bowling but you have to field and bat as well. Everyone doesn’t have fitness level of Dhoni or Misbah.
 
Not really an exception. Herath and Kumble played till 40. Murali and Warne were also over 37 iirc.

I wouldn't be worried about it just yet.
 
Babu Bhaiya said:
I’m not saying they can’t. Even batsmen and in some cases fast bowlers can go upto 40. But those cases are exceptions.

Can they be as effective as a 30-32 year old. And you wouldn’t want an oldie running around the field being a liability as a fielder. True that their primary role is bowling but you have to field and bat as well. Everyone doesn’t have fitness level of Dhoni or Misbah.
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I agree my brothers. We are blessed to have such quality bowlers. Amazing both truly are. jaddu and ashwin have won ? 28 games out of 30. that is insane.
 
5 years is a long time in sport, some talented spinner who is 18-19 yrs now may emerge as top pick till then.

Right now, among the younger lot (20-25 yrs), we have guys like Shreyas Gopal, Rahul Chahar, Markande, Anukul Roy etc who can be bowling allrounders. Kuldeep can improve his batting as well.
 
Ashwin and Jadeja may not finish as ATGs but I think they can finish in the bracket below ATGs.
 
Both are ATG in Asian conditions, will easily make the all time India XI in Asia.

Incredible players!
 
The_Odd_One said:
Both are ATG in Asian conditions, will easily make the all time India XI in Asia.

Incredible players!
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I would pick Ashwin over Kumble honestly. The way he picks up wickets on flat pitches is incredible. India averages 45 at home since 2015 yet Ashwin still demolishes opposing teams.
 
They have 3-5 years left, by that time their replacements will be ready. We are good at producing spinners so I am sure we will get their replacements.
 
I think Kuldeep and Chahal can replace them. These two can be deadly on turning pitches.
 
India is an elite team. They will never struggle to replace any of their players collectively. Sure you won’t have a Tendulkar, Kohli, Rohit or Bumrah in every generation, but they will produce enough quality to remain a champion side.
 
They will be replaced easily - India never had a problem replacing spinners or Batsmen.
 
I hope someone will step upto the plate. Jadeja was pretty poor till few years back. India was lucky to have high quality spinner from Veenu Mankad onwards. from 50 to late 79's India had Mankad , Gupte , Nadkarni , Bedi , Prasanna and Chandra.
The rut started from 80's where likes of Doshi , Maninder , Shivlal etc could not replicate the success of great spinners before them.
In 90's Kumble started. And home domination started largely due to him. He was followed by Harbhajan , Ashwin and Jadeja.

Indian spinners with atleast 50 home wickets
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[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Span [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Wkts [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]Econ [/td][td]SR [/td][td]5W [/td][td]10W [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MH Mankad [/td][td]1948-1959 [/td][td]23 [/td][td]103 [/td][td]26.53 [/td][td]2.11 [/td][td]75.4 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SP Gupte [/td][td]1951-1961 [/td][td]21 [/td][td]84 [/td][td]30.34 [/td][td]2.37 [/td][td]76.7 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RG Nadkarni [/td][td]1955-1966 [/td][td]25 [/td][td]53 [/td][td]27.86 [/td][td]1.59 [/td][td]105.1 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SA Durani [/td][td]1960-1973 [/td][td]21 [/td][td]55 [/td][td]34.47 [/td][td]2.41 [/td][td]85.5 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]EAS Prasanna [/td][td]1962-1977 [/td][td]22 [/td][td]95 [/td][td]26.94 [/td][td]2.29 [/td][td]70.4 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Chandrasekhar [/td][td]1964-1979 [/td][td]32 [/td][td]142 [/td][td]27.69 [/td][td]2.56 [/td][td]64.6 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Venkataraghavan [/td][td]1965-1983 [/td][td]32 [/td][td]94 [/td][td]30.64 [/td][td]2.08 [/td][td]88 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Bedi [/td][td]1966-1979 [/td][td]30 [/td][td]137 [/td][td]23.99 [/td][td]1.89 [/td][td]75.8 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DR Doshi [/td][td]1979-1983 [/td][td]21 [/td][td]77 [/td][td]25.38 [/td][td]2.07 [/td][td]73.3 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]NS Yadav [/td][td]1979-1987 [/td][td]28 [/td][td]77 [/td][td]34.1 [/td][td]2.68 [/td][td]76.3 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RJ Shastri [/td][td]1981-1990 [/td][td]38 [/td][td]73 [/td][td]38.93 [/td][td]2.28 [/td][td]102.3 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Maninder Singh [/td][td]1983-1993 [/td][td]18 [/td][td]62 [/td][td]30.61 [/td][td]2.33 [/td][td]78.5 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SLV Raju [/td][td]1990-2001 [/td][td]16 [/td][td]71 [/td][td]24 [/td][td]2.3 [/td][td]62.5 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]A Kumble [/td][td]1993-2008 [/td][td]63 [/td][td]350 [/td][td]24.88 [/td][td]2.51 [/td][td]59.4 [/td][td]25 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Harbhajan Singh [/td][td]1998-2013 [/td][td]55 [/td][td]265 [/td][td]28.76 [/td][td]2.69 [/td][td]64.1 [/td][td]18 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]PP Ojha [/td][td]2009-2013 [/td][td]20 [/td][td]101 [/td][td]27.51 [/td][td]2.59 [/td][td]63.5 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]R Ashwin [/td][td]2011-2019 [/td][td]40 [/td][td]248 [/td][td]22.62 [/td][td]2.75 [/td][td]49.2 [/td][td]21 [/td][td]6 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RA Jadeja [/td][td]2012-2019 [/td][td]30 [/td][td]154 [/td][td]20.66 [/td][td]2.23 [/td][td]55.5 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
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Indian team's home record across decades
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[tr][td]Decade [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Won [/td][td]Lost [/td][td]Tied [/td][td]Draw [/td][td]W/L [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1930s [/td][td]3 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1940s [/td][td]5 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1950s [/td][td]25 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]0.75 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1960s [/td][td]36 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]22 [/td][td]0.75 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1970s [/td][td]34 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]16 [/td][td]1.571 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1980s [/td][td]42 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]24 [/td][td]0.888 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1990s [/td][td]30 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]3.4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2000s [/td][td]47 [/td][td]21 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]18 [/td][td]2.625 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2010s [/td][td]47 [/td][td]34 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]8.5 [/td][/tr]
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jeetu said:
Indian spinners with atleast 50 home wickets
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[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Span [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Wkts [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]Econ [/td][td]SR [/td][td]5W [/td][td]10W [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MH Mankad [/td][td]1948-1959 [/td][td]23 [/td][td]103 [/td][td]26.53 [/td][td]2.11 [/td][td]75.4 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SP Gupte [/td][td]1951-1961 [/td][td]21 [/td][td]84 [/td][td]30.34 [/td][td]2.37 [/td][td]76.7 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RG Nadkarni [/td][td]1955-1966 [/td][td]25 [/td][td]53 [/td][td]27.86 [/td][td]1.59 [/td][td]105.1 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SA Durani [/td][td]1960-1973 [/td][td]21 [/td][td]55 [/td][td]34.47 [/td][td]2.41 [/td][td]85.5 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]EAS Prasanna [/td][td]1962-1977 [/td][td]22 [/td][td]95 [/td][td]26.94 [/td][td]2.29 [/td][td]70.4 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Chandrasekhar [/td][td]1964-1979 [/td][td]32 [/td][td]142 [/td][td]27.69 [/td][td]2.56 [/td][td]64.6 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Venkataraghavan [/td][td]1965-1983 [/td][td]32 [/td][td]94 [/td][td]30.64 [/td][td]2.08 [/td][td]88 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Bedi [/td][td]1966-1979 [/td][td]30 [/td][td]137 [/td][td]23.99 [/td][td]1.89 [/td][td]75.8 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DR Doshi [/td][td]1979-1983 [/td][td]21 [/td][td]77 [/td][td]25.38 [/td][td]2.07 [/td][td]73.3 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]NS Yadav [/td][td]1979-1987 [/td][td]28 [/td][td]77 [/td][td]34.1 [/td][td]2.68 [/td][td]76.3 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RJ Shastri [/td][td]1981-1990 [/td][td]38 [/td][td]73 [/td][td]38.93 [/td][td]2.28 [/td][td]102.3 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Maninder Singh [/td][td]1983-1993 [/td][td]18 [/td][td]62 [/td][td]30.61 [/td][td]2.33 [/td][td]78.5 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SLV Raju [/td][td]1990-2001 [/td][td]16 [/td][td]71 [/td][td]24 [/td][td]2.3 [/td][td]62.5 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]A Kumble [/td][td]1993-2008 [/td][td]63 [/td][td]350 [/td][td]24.88 [/td][td]2.51 [/td][td]59.4 [/td][td]25 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Harbhajan Singh [/td][td]1998-2013 [/td][td]55 [/td][td]265 [/td][td]28.76 [/td][td]2.69 [/td][td]64.1 [/td][td]18 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]PP Ojha [/td][td]2009-2013 [/td][td]20 [/td][td]101 [/td][td]27.51 [/td][td]2.59 [/td][td]63.5 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]R Ashwin [/td][td]2011-2019 [/td][td]40 [/td][td]248 [/td][td]22.62 [/td][td]2.75 [/td][td]49.2 [/td][td]21 [/td][td]6 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RA Jadeja [/td][td]2012-2019 [/td][td]30 [/td][td]154 [/td][td]20.66 [/td][td]2.23 [/td][td]55.5 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
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Strike rate of Ashwin is mind blowing. It is something you see with genuine fast bowlers. Given that the amount of overs spinners bowl it is staggering.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Strike rate of Ashwin is mind blowing. It is something you see with genuine fast bowlers. Given that the amount of overs spinners bowl it is staggering.
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Ashwin as of now is leading SR chart among all spinners with 100+ wickets at home. He has stiff competition from Yasir Shah.
Note for Pakistan's spinners neutral pitches were treated as home too.

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[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Span [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Wkts [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]SR [/td][td]5W [/td][td]10W [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]R Ashwin (INDIA) [/td][td]2011-2019 [/td][td]40 [/td][td]248 [/td][td]22.62 [/td][td]49.2 [/td][td]21 [/td][td]6 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]M Muralitharan (SL) [/td][td]1992-2010 [/td][td]73 [/td][td]493 [/td][td]19.56 [/td][td]50.8 [/td][td]45 [/td][td]15 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Yasir Shah [/td][td]2014-2018 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]116 [/td][td]24.56 [/td][td]51.2 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]HMRKB Herath (SL) [/td][td]1999-2018 [/td][td]49 [/td][td]278 [/td][td]23.65 [/td][td]51.3 [/td][td]26 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SCG MacGill (AUS) [/td][td]1998-2007 [/td][td]27 [/td][td]135 [/td][td]27.68 [/td][td]53.3 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JC Laker (ENG) [/td][td]1948-1958 [/td][td]29 [/td][td]135 [/td][td]18.08 [/td][td]54.7 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RA Jadeja (INDIA) [/td][td]2012-2019 [/td][td]30 [/td][td]154 [/td][td]20.66 [/td][td]55.5 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MDK Perera (SL) [/td][td]2014-2019 [/td][td]21 [/td][td]103 [/td][td]28.75 [/td][td]56.3 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GP Swann (ENG) [/td][td]2009-2013 [/td][td]32 [/td][td]120 [/td][td]28.94 [/td][td]56.9 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]A Kumble (INDIA) [/td][td]1993-2008 [/td][td]63 [/td][td]350 [/td][td]24.88 [/td][td]59.4 [/td][td]25 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SK Warne (AUS) [/td][td]1992-2007 [/td][td]69 [/td][td]319 [/td][td]26.39 [/td][td]60.8 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Shakib Al Hasan (BDESH) [/td][td]2007-2019 [/td][td]37 [/td][td]142 [/td][td]31.08 [/td][td]61.5 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GAR Lock (ENG) [/td][td]1952-1963 [/td][td]28 [/td][td]104 [/td][td]19.51 [/td][td]62 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Abdul Qadir (PAK) [/td][td]1977-1990 [/td][td]40 [/td][td]168 [/td][td]26.82 [/td][td]62.2 [/td][td]12 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]PP Ojha (INDIA) [/td][td]2009-2013 [/td][td]20 [/td][td]101 [/td][td]27.51 [/td][td]63.5 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Harbhajan Singh (INDIA) [/td][td]1998-2013 [/td][td]55 [/td][td]265 [/td][td]28.76 [/td][td]64.1 [/td][td]18 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Chandrasekhar (INDIA) [/td][td]1964-1979 [/td][td]32 [/td][td]142 [/td][td]27.69 [/td][td]64.6 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CV Grimmett (AUS) [/td][td]1925-1933 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]105 [/td][td]24.59 [/td][td]64.7 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Saqlain Mushtaq [/td][td]1995-2004 [/td][td]25 [/td][td]102 [/td][td]29.54 [/td][td]67.2 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]NM Lyon (AUS) [/td][td]2011-2019 [/td][td]43 [/td][td]164 [/td][td]33.57 [/td][td]67.5 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DL Underwood (ENG) [/td][td]1966-1980 [/td][td]42 [/td][td]145 [/td][td]24.24 [/td][td]68.7 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Danish Kaneria [/td][td]2000-2010 [/td][td]31 [/td][td]122 [/td][td]34.5 [/td][td]69.7 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Iqbal Qasim (PAK) [/td][td]1977-1988 [/td][td]29 [/td][td]111 [/td][td]25.15 [/td][td]72.7 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MH Mankad (INDIA) [/td][td]1948-1959 [/td][td]23 [/td][td]103 [/td][td]26.53 [/td][td]75.4 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Bedi (INDIA) [/td][td]1966-1979 [/td][td]30 [/td][td]137 [/td][td]23.99 [/td][td]75.8 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DL Vettori (NZ) [/td][td]1997-2012 [/td][td]57 [/td][td]159 [/td][td]37.11 [/td][td]84.9 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]R Illingworth (ENG) [/td][td]1958-1973 [/td][td]43 [/td][td]102 [/td][td]27.14 [/td][td]86 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]R Benaud (AUS) [/td][td]1952-1964 [/td][td]29 [/td][td]104 [/td][td]30.74 [/td][td]86.9 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]LR Gibbs (WI) [/td][td]1958-1974 [/td][td]32 [/td][td]126 [/td][td]29.65 [/td][td]88.1 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
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Strange thread in the sense neither Jadeja nor Ashwin are retiring anytime soon AND there is a veritable glut of spinners in India.

On the other hand, and with all due respect to Umesh Yadav's success in his latest test, BCCI would do well to groom some quicks like Saini. Not as optimistic about India's pace prospect as I was till a year ago.
 
Kuldeep/Bishnoi and Sundar can replace them.

But in Ashwin, we have got a great test bowler and a Hadlee level test batsman.

In Jadeja, we have a very good test bowler and a Imran level batsman, so it will take something to make up for them :inti
 
Certainly not varun Chakraborty and Rahul chahar.
India should really have better bowlers with that massive population and playing base.
 
Ravi Bishnoi is a solid prospect. Watch out for him when he debuts in international cricket. Also watch out for certain Indian poster who will start ridiculing him after a couple of international matches because that is only what he is capable of :inti
 
India don't have another spinner like Ashwin in their domestic circuit.. Sundar is similar player but much like part timer..
Ravi Jadeja can be replaced by Axar Patel who is very accurate like Jadeja..
Ravi Bishnoi is excellent spinner and can be groomed for tests..
India have many good spinners ready for limited overs cricket but very few for tests.
 
Ab Fan said:
Kuldeep/Bishnoi and Sundar can replace them.

But in Ashwin, we have got a great test bowler and a Hadlee level test batsman.

In Jadeja, we have a very good test bowler and a Imran level batsman, so it will take something to make up for them :inti
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Kuldeep is finished..
Bishnoi is certainly bright prospect 👌
 
Ab Fan said:
Ravi Bishnoi is a solid prospect. Watch out for him when he debuts in international cricket. Also watch out for certain Indian poster who will start ridiculing him after a couple of international matches because that is only what he is capable of :inti
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Ravi Bishnoi, from what I have seen in the IPL, mainly bowls googlies. Unless he adds additional skills to his bowling, he will not be successful in international cricket.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Strike rate of Ashwin is mind blowing. It is something you see with genuine fast bowlers. Given that the amount of overs spinners bowl it is staggering.
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He’s up against a lot of batters who cannot play on turning surfaces.

The recent England series saw player after player bowled by the arm ball. They didn’t know what to do because they don’t learn the skills at home. Go back forty years and most England batters who were good players of spin. It’s a lost art due to changes in the County game.
 
Ab Fan said:
Kuldeep/Bishnoi and Sundar can replace them.

But in Ashwin, we have got a great test bowler and a Hadlee level test batsman.

In Jadeja, we have a very good test bowler and a Imran level batsman, so it will take something to make up for them :inti
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He isn’t Imran level. Imran hit six test centuries. Jadeja has one, and his stats are heavily padded by red ink in home games.
 
Sky Sports did an excellent analysis some time ago with KP, Athers and Nasser. This idea that batsmen 40 years ago could have played modern test spinners with ease is more fantasy than fact.

DRS has made it extremely difficult for batsmen especially on surfaces where there is turn at pace. You throw in the added factor of accurate left arm spinner bowling 55 mph +(Jadeja /Axar) and it's near impossible to play them well for a right handed batsman.
 
Robert said:
He isn’t Imran level. Imran hit six test centuries. Jadeja has one, and his stats are heavily padded by red ink in home games.
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Imran's batting stats are heavily padded by not out too. Yes, he needs to hit a few more hundreds but an average of 34 with bat tells us that he was very capable with bat. His bowling stats are inflated, I never denied that.
 
India's deadly spin trio will be action again

R Ashwin averages 18.3 and has a strike-rate of 39.4 in this period at home. Who will bag the most wickets in coming series?

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shaz619 said:
Yes, after tearing them a new one
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I hope they continue doing that as long as the result is 4-1 in our favour.
Also hoping that they dont retire after the next ashes in Australia where there will be treated like the jobbers they are, should send two - three therapists along with these bunch of mentally fragile generation of English cricketers.
 
Ashwin and Jadeja as a bowler might be replaceable but their contributions as a batter are still unmatchable by anyone atm.

Axar is a guy who is doing fine though but they still have nobody to replace ashwin.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
I hope they continue doing that as long as the result is 4-1 in our favour.
Also hoping that they dont retire after the next ashes in Australia where there will be treated like the jobbers they are, should send two - three therapists along with these bunch of mentally fragile generation of English cricketers.
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Cry me a river, the rookies bent the so called GOAT’s on the same pitches exposing their careers. I think they and their fans need a doc to help with the delusional and mental deterioration after getting spanked.
 
Bashir apparently idolised Ashwin to, the true successor to the so called GOAT
 
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What a duo.

We had a decade of success thanks to their services. Their consistent run will be hard to replicate.

We must consider ourselves lucky to have their services.
 
These two are peerless, but India have a decent crop of upcoming spin allrounders.

Axar is the obvious deputy for these two, but Shams Mulani and Tanush Kotian could be handy test cricketers too.

Washington Sundar is too brittle to be a test match player sadly.
 
MP2011 said:
You won't know that unless you play him in tests. If Sky can play tests, anyone can.
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one wrong decision doesn't justify another wrong decision .

Ravi bishnoi doens't even play first class cricket as he only played 5 so far.

He is a not test cricket bowler from what I have seen so far .he firstly needs to play first class cricket to even consider for test cricket .
 
Nobody ever replaced Kapil and India never had a test opener as good as Gavaskar but India is still a stronger test team now than it was during their time.

India does *not* need to replace Ashwin and Jadeja when they eventually leave.
 
tyron_woodley said:
jadeja has about 5 years left and ashwin maybe 3. Does india have quality spinners as good as them with the ability to bat ? gowtham maybe and axar? It's going to be interesting to see how they replace these 2 great spinners. kuldeep can't bat. I think axar or gowtham would be the best bet.

Pace bowling is in excellent hands as they have some real quality depth right now.
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Who will replace Ashwin and Jadeja? The point to be noted is players come up. Some players give excellent performance and become known as great players. But then every great player retires. As he gets to the point of retirement, questions come up like 'who will replace them?'. It is not necessary the team needs to get an exact replacement player when an excellent player retires and this is because cricket is a team game and the other players in the team who become more and more experienced can compensate for the loss of a retired great player. That is how it goes on with a good team. Have we got the exact replacement of the players like Bradman, Lindwall, Sobers, Imran Khan, Akram, Lillee, Hadlee, Kapil Dev, Tendulkar or name anyone. Now Travais Head is an excellent performer with bat in Australia. Do we know whose replacement is he? Can the England team just get an exact replacement of Anderson and Broad? For Indian team itself, earlier the question was 'Who will replace the duo Anil Kumble and Harbhajan Singh'? Though there was no immediate replacement, players already present raise their capability and new players slowly emerge.
 
Axar Patel, Kuldeep Yadav. India has plenty of back up. Nothing to worry about.
 
FearlessRoar said:
Are they home-track bullies?

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India uses 4 fast bowlers overseas. They win matches differently as they roll out seamer friendly pitches. Check his record in Asia in general and Windies where they don't alter the pitch to suit exclusively seamers. Besides he did well in Australia on those flat pitches. Jadeja has a terrific record in Australia as well.
 
Savak said:
Axar Patel, Kuldeep Yadav. India has plenty of back up. Nothing to worry about.
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They can't match these two. The amount of times they stepped up in crunch moments, amount of times they ran through sides both individually and as combination. Greatest match winning pair in Indian history.
 
If Kuldeep gets a consistent run, I'd back him to be the most successful Indian spinner in SENA after Chandra.
 
In an Interview Glenn Maxwell said while speaking to a sports channel:

"I think that over a long period, having played against guys like Ashwin and Jadeja, those two seem to have always been the ones we've faced consistently and the battles we've had with them have often dictated the outcome of the game,"

"If we play well against those two (Ashwin, Jadeja), we'll generally find ourselves in a better position compared to when they've had a field day and run through us. Those two guys have been there for most of my career, being of a similar age,"
 
Rohit Sharma said in a media interaction ahead of the second Test against Australia:

“Unfortunately, I was not there to bring this news to them (Ashwin and Jadeja) that they are not playing the first game. It’s always hard to leave (out) experienced players like Jadeja and Ashwin, it’s never easy."

“But the decision was made (on the basis of) whatever was best for the team at that particular time and whatever the management felt at that particular time is the right thing to do, we did that."
 
Easy replacements for india. Just like pants exposed dhoni( As a test batter, Dhoni is a good odi batsmen that I agree), it'll take a new tom dick and Harry player from india just one or 2 series to expose these 2 useless players.
 
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Anyone can replace these two ordinary cricketers. Washington and Axar are ready made replacements.
 
mominsaigol said:
Easy replacements for india. Just like pants exposed dhoni( As a test batter, Dhoni is a good odi batsmen that I agree), it'll take a new tom dick and Harry player from india just one or 2 series to expose these 2 useless players.
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But jadeja has done well in aus and even nz.
Just dint do well in SA and England.
 
kron said:
But jadeja has done well in aus and even nz.
Just dint do well in SA and England.
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India never gets durban pitch in SA because that is the only one that helps spinners. 99% of the wickets that fall in INdia vs SA series are always taken by seamers. So not sure why we should worry about spinners performances there. We don't get pitch that is remotely helpful for spinners. In England Jadeja is preferred more for his batting and do a supporting role. India uses seamers more than spinners. Once again bowlers were not problems. It was the batting. I don't think Jadeja or Ashwin toured NZ much. May be 1 tour or 2 matches? . Both ahve good record in Australia.
 
mominsaigol said:
Easy replacements for india. Just like pants exposed dhoni( As a test batter, Dhoni is a good odi batsmen that I agree), it'll take a new tom dick and Harry player from india just one or 2 series to expose these 2 useless players.
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One guy has 10 man of hte series award. Second highest in much lesser matches in history of cricket
Other one has 10 man of the match awards. Ya right useless. These two have won more series than any cricket ever in their history.
 
Rohit and Kohli were the biggest culprits in the last series. But they are playing. These two were left out. Cruel. Ashwin batted 43 overs to save a test. And also dismissed Steve smith thrice. Has the best pink ball test record among Indians.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
One guy has 10 man of hte series award. Second highest in much lesser matches in history of cricket
Other one has 10 man of the match awards. Ya right useless. These two have won more series than any cricket ever in their history.
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I think we will really find it hard to replace both

I don't think kuldeep is good enough sorry.

We will strengthen batting with sundar and axar. But bowling? Don't think they have the skills or guile to get wickets like ash and jaddu prime

If ash jaddu prime played va nz in that recent series they would have routed them 3 0 just like in 2017.

Only real talented spinner I see is maybe manav suthar. Maybe mulani
 
kron said:
I think we will really find it hard to replace both

I don't think kuldeep is good enough sorry.

We will strengthen batting with sundar and axar. But bowling? Don't think they have the skills or guile to get wickets like ash and jaddu prime

If ash jaddu prime played va nz in that recent series they would have routed them 3 0 just like in 2017.

Only real talented spinner I see is maybe manav suthar. Maybe mulani
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Their batting failed for the first time together in the 10 yeasr. That cost them the series. That showed the importance of all round utility.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Their batting failed for the first time together in the 10 yeasr. That cost them the series. That showed the importance of all round utility.
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Why should they always help in batting? What did rohit and kohli do??
 
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