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Did you also get Nobel Peace prize?
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Yea whenever you try to criticize her views you will be labeled a hater of an innocent girl who was shot in the head. I mean what's even left for debate after this excuse? I have stopped even talking on malala topic just because of this reason when they don't have answers they use that bullet in head argument to defend her views. So if tomorrow a nudist is shot in the head are we going to defend nudism with this logic?
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There were many other people who deserve that Nobe Peace prize much more than this girls. Edhi and Dr Rizwi to name a few but well what is the value of a nobel peace prize if it can be given to a terrorist who later become a PM of Israel (involved in bombings and killings)
lol and was chacha also shot in the face?
she might have her own agenda but gender equality in the muslim world is a disgrace. how many girls in pakistan are literate? there is no hiding from the truth that there is a massive problem there
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What's it like in India and Sri Lanka and Nepal
in sl it's in the high 90%s for women i believe. same as men.
higher for women in sl actually. 98.6% against 97.7% for men according to 2013 studies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_rate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_rate
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It is nowhere near that.
The last time I checked, the average literacy rate among females in India was around 65% and that among males was around 55% - literacy being defined as the ability to sign ones name.
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I think the word "now" should be removed from the thread title it's not now because she was always unpopular.
lol u have no idea. next.
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There seems to be a problem with that data. 82% of Indian men are literate???? Unbelievable!
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And Nepal?
lol check some other sources for sl and post it here when u find something different.
i think acceptance that there is a problem in pakistan would be the first step.
no clue.
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Pakistan with a literacy rate of 71%? are you kidding me i don't believe this data is accurate at all there is something. 60% is the maximum i can believe
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57% females in nepal according to the link you provided.
seems like there is a similar issue there to what is going on in pakistan. hopefully they are not in denial also.
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Valid thinking!
Thanks man, posters like you can understand my intellectual arguments. Sadly many posters here lack the intellectual capacity to get a basic point in, and they start getting emotional about Malala.
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I dont think anybody's arguing what happened to Malala was not good and what she did was not brave. It is just the fact how the whole thing was blown out of proportion and how some people took advantage of it that has left bad taste. Let me assure you there are tens of Malalas in Pakistan who brave such dangers everyday and go to school. She is not the only one. Also, it is not a true reflection of the country the way media turned this into a whole circus and made it sound like WOMEn cant get education in Pakistan.
But more power to Malala as long as she does not stray from the righteous path.
But more power to Malala as long as she does not stray from the righteous path.
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Presumably you read the link I provided you in the post you have just quoted ? I suggest you do some further research yourself using the info in that link as a starting point. I can't keep on being your teacher, answering your questions and improving your knowledge base - you need to do some homework - so that's your homework for now.
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This is what i was going to say. If anyone deserved Nobel prize it is her father who encouraged her to carry on in difficult circumstances and ingrained his thoughts in her mind.
It is not that she had much of a choice as a 12-14 year old girl. I think struggle is what a mature mind opts to pursue, against odds, based on his own decisions. She was asked to follow and she did. This is not leadership which should be the essence of recognition.
Nobel prize was too early for her in this way. But i hope she matures and uses her recognition in a good way for herself and this country.
It was news to me that she is unpopular, she has done everything right as far as I can see. If she is highlighting all the bad issues that are taking place in Pakistan them they should stop, one should feel guilty and embarrassed about the wrongdoings of the country rather than think why is she talking about what happened. After all there are many people who share her sentiments.
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issue is that for all the good his father says there is a clear political agenda behind it as well. He has views and he is entitled to them, but they are being sugar coated and protected from criticism, that is not right. Fact is her dad's views are similar to the vision the west has for Pakistan and muslim world in general. People will be stupid to say that isnt part of the reason why she is being promoted.
How many people here for example know about Nabila Rehman? 9 year old girl who survied a drone strike which killed her grandmother. Been a campaigner against that cause, even went to congress ( where only 5 congressmen bothered to show up). She even pushes for greater education in the tribal areas in an effort to stop radicalization, yet she gets no coverage.
http://theaerogram.com/american-media-ignoring-nabeela-rehmans-story-drone-attacks/
Malal's comments against drone strikes though are trumpeted. Again i dont blame the girl for this, i dont like people hating on her, my issues are more with her dad putting words in her mouth, what you think a 16 year old no matter how intelligent can give a treatise on Pakistan and Islamic history? What happened to her was 100%, but that dosent make her the paragon of truth.
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+1 Nailed it and spot on about Nabila's case.
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Perhaps you could enlighten us as to which views of her you disagree with?
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Why is it a bad thing if she does have a political agenda and want to be politician? Wouldn't it be better if someone gets to in power who can do so much for the country? Pakistan needs socialism and capitalism, both.
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There nothing wrong with having a political view. The issues arises when the views of a man are being mouthed through his daughter so they can not be critiqued. If you read her book you would get the impression that girls never went to school in swat untill her dad came along and across Pakistan girls don't go to school. That's just wrong. Serious issues exist in some parts of the country but not to that extent. Then she goes on a large critique of Pakistan's creation, that isn't a 16 year old speaking that's her dad. If he wants to write such a book go ahead becuase then others can have a wright of a response (in a civil way) without being labeled a bigot or sympathiser. The book glosses over the american role in the soviet invasion of Afghanistan, mentions it a little before going on a warpath against Zia's polices. Now there are legitimate reasons to go on warpath to Zia's policies but she writes it as as of she lived through it and she writes it an incredibly simplified way. So that tells me it's not her
Views it's daddy's views through her. The book is written and directed at a western audience, giving ridiculous simplified view of Pakistan and Islam whilst at the same time glossing over the negative effects of Americas role in the region.
If her dad wrote something more balanced you reckon she would we getting half the awards or funding ?
Then she goes on a large critique of Pakistan's creation,
Can you please elaborate more on it ? I am not aware of it.
That link, sadly didn't mention anything else apart from her "get well soon" message to world leaders. Anyway, let's not discuss it more. I guess it will go down the same drain.
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We like to hide our heads under the sand like ostriches and don't like it when someone shows our faults. Even in this thread people are bashing her and her father many of them that are living in big cities not having had to go through that girls and women go through in villages and smaller cities every day.
They treated Mukhtar Mai the same way when she brought to light the rapes other such crap done to women by the jirga justice system.
If Pakistan media and public had actually stood up and supported these women against these injustices western media would not have become that involved in highlighting these issues. Look at what happened in India the story did not just become about the girl being raped and murdered it also was about how the public stood up and made noise about getting justice.
Our apathy towards crimes against women is a blot against our country but we rather bash the messenger like Malala and Mukhtar Mai instead of doing something about it.
They treated Mukhtar Mai the same way when she brought to light the rapes other such crap done to women by the jirga justice system.
If Pakistan media and public had actually stood up and supported these women against these injustices western media would not have become that involved in highlighting these issues. Look at what happened in India the story did not just become about the girl being raped and murdered it also was about how the public stood up and made noise about getting justice.
Our apathy towards crimes against women is a blot against our country but we rather bash the messenger like Malala and Mukhtar Mai instead of doing something about it.
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It's actually similar to what the above posters have said. She keeps droning on about education like its some sort of panacea and praising the West as if the West has nothing to improve upon. Mass exaggeration of the reality and acting as her dad's mouthpiece are some of the criticisms that can be leveled at her. It is a more extreme version of that #istandwithAhmad stuff about that student that was arrested recently.
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Also America's mass killings find no mention in 'her' works (America has been involved in wars for ~90% of its existence and exists due to the mass genocide of the Native Americans and on the practice of slavery).
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Her dad doesn't come across as being someone who supported the creation of Pakistan , he raises valid points in the book about Zia but then grossly exaggerates some of them. There was a whole segment on wearing black armbands during Pakistan day and then there's the heavy push or secularism.
Now I'll state again all those points have some validity and I know many posters here may agree with. That doesn't mean however that's what most Pakistanis want and more importantly make them immune from valid critisim because they are being penned by a girl who had horrible things done to her.
while most of the book says things that i believe vast majority of pakistanis and muslim would agree with there are parts of the book that are more of political manifesto written by her father. Some things are heavily simplified for western regurgitation. Even the role of the Pakistani docter who saved her life is hardly mentioned in comparision to the work they did on her in England.
on the flipside most pakistan's wont be bothered to read the book and will instead go along with the CIA conspiracy theroies.
i have rambled a lot here and I'm sure people can guess my political views, so let me just make one last summary. what happened to malala was a 100% wrong. I am with her when she campains for women and childrens education ( a bigger problem in Pakistan then girls not going to school is poor kids in general not going to school becuase the work to make a living, something that the western media doesnt pay as much attention to). However there is a clear undercurrent of her dad's political views seeping in to what she writes. Generally there is nothing wrong with this, but they cant be immune to critisim. LASTLY while this doesnt not justify open hostility people should understand why many are at the very least scepitical of another person being rasided out in the west stating they want to come back and save pakistan, how many muslim countries have heard that before?
She isnt the only girl to die for womens education. She isnt the only girl or child who campain on human riights issues in pakistan let alone the world ( i gave the drone example in a previous post) . So maybe people should realise that a part of the reason she is being promoted is because the views of her dad in many ways conform with the views the west has on the muslim world. People state thats its hard to look bad on ones own country, that is true as anything else in the world but that also goes both ways .
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OK, to summarise, you don't have a problem with her or even her dad holding any political view and propagating the same. You have a problem with her victim-hood being used to provide immunity to her dad's political views.
Did I understand you correctly ?
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ill give a more detailed response soon when i have time but in short yes
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Spot on.
Nearly all those in politics, media, civil service, and even the military, and dare I say it, even many of those on PP, come from reasonably well-to-do backgrounds, and have no idea of the day-to-day lives of the poor, especially in the rural areas where there is very little schooling and everything is dictated, including who to vote for, by the local landlords and the few others with wealth.
It's like someone who's had a heart attack, or any other serious illness, being told by someone who's never experienced the same illness "I understand your pain". And then criticise them for moaning too loudly, telling them to keep their voice down because the neighbours might complain or get a bad impression about them. How can you fully "understand" their pain if you haven't gone through some similar experience yourself?
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Invalid point.
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I didn't know she wrote the book.
How many books were even sold?
Most people know Malala because of the incident that has happened following her comment against Taliban and then she was shot. That's how she got famous.
Not because of the book.
People have sympathy for the girl because she was doing good cause and then was targeted for hate crime.
Rest of that follows is expected.
You can't lure (wrong word, i know) funding unless you cry victim. The donations followed that incident is worth it for all the baggage (her father opinions or whatever the way they want to portray Pakistan image) that comes with! This incident would not have happened if if if if if (whatever the if her fathers' wrath is)! Pakistan have to digest all this because it HAS happened to Malala. She WAS shot because what she stood by.
So, nothing wrong in her crying or whining or whatever the word critiques want to use.
The point is funding are coming due to her cause. And even if Malala ends up helping many children to pick up the book or inspire them so be it. If schools will be made from the funding then be it.
No one helps out the cause unless you get limelight.
There was a lady Named Sabeen Mahmud, a social activist died for similar reason, barely got the media coverage compare to Malala.
What does it tell us? It tells us that once you get limelight, I say don't let it go, grab all the media attention you can get. Get as much as funding you can get. Clean all the garbage as much as you can using international attention.
Waisay bhi these situation is happening because of the failure of current political structure so if social activist who gets the limelight, I would be glad. And I take the wrath of anger or hatred that lies upon the message as pinch of salt, and focus on main thing, people do end up getting help.
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one reason is her book. She is touched those subject which she has no knowledge about. No 15 year old would have expertise to talk about those complicated subjects especially someone who lived in a small city like Mangora in Swat Valley.
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It seems she is unpopular in India too now.
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One speech wonder propelled to greatness by the Media and social media activists.
Nothing to offer in terms of intellect and wisdom besides her one carefully written speech for her.
Nothing to offer in terms of intellect and wisdom besides her one carefully written speech for her.
Of course, indeed. Everything is wrong with Pakistan! We despise people who point out our shortcomings. It is a Pakistani trait.
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Or... there is no Western conspiracy against Pakistan, and people there hate her because she is an articulate young woman who speaks awkward truths.
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Malala got a bit too much coverage. I think some people don't like it because her situation was blown out of proportion.
Why does she not talk off when Muslim's are the victims of aggression?. A view needs to be balanced and impartial.
I agree a lot with what she says. She comes from a backward area having probably never seen the more cosmopolitan side of Pakistan. There is a conspiracy against Pak but we are also responsible for our own problems as well. I do not blame the west for all of Pak's problems like a Zaid Hamid does.
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What are you talking about? She just tweeted about Kashmir. Previously, she has spoken up about the Rohingya and has done so rather openly going to the extent of criticizing Aung San Suu Kyi. She has also criticized Donald Trump on his anti-Islamic views. I think you chose to hear what you want to and ignore everything else.
What I think she should be doing is speaking up more about the persecution of minorities in Pakistan. I believe she doesn't do that at all.
Her tweets lack conviction. She is far more critical of Muslim people then non-Muslim. It is her attitude that bothers me, she gives the impression that non-Muslims are being butchered in Pak all the time. She is being used by Pak's enemies to do their bidding. Things can be better for Pak minorities however they are not as bad as it seems. Just because a Non-Muslim may have suffered it is not always due to their religious belief. This is a major misconception amongst minorities everywhere.
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You have a very deluded view of how things are on the ground. Forced conversions, destruction of hindu temples, persecution of Ahmedi's, mass murder of hindu's, burning of Christian schools and churches, are real things that have been happening in Pakistan for the longest time and people have been turning a blind eye to by saying it doesn't happen much. It happens a lot it doesn't get covered by the media much. If she speaks up about this then that is brilliant because I wasn't aware of this. I'm glad she is doing this because there is no one speaking up about the persecution of minorities in Pakistan.
Rather your views are childish and immature. I am aware that Pak has a problem however much of what is reported is untrue. Just because a Hindu is beaten up is not because of their religion when Muslim's are suffering as well. I have hardly heard of Hindu temples of Christian churches being burnt other then the odd occasion. Masjids are also attacked in the west as well like we saw in NZ that is not to suggest the country is hell for Muslim people as a whole. Karachi has has thriving non Muslim community...it mostly happens in rural area's. Equally, not every racist attack on Muslim's in the west is covered by the media unless it is a major one. My point is that west is not a terrible place for Muslim's neither is Pakistan killing or abusing every non Muslim. She is doing it coz she is being paid by certain people to do so.
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The hypocrisy in these words is cringeworthy. When the same applies except the country that's talked about is India, it's all about religion and facism.
The delusion is through the ceiling. What else do you want her to so?Nuke the U.S and its allies?
She has spoken about the atrocities in Kashmir, Gaza, Syria, Yemen, Burma and elsewhere. She has built schools in Middle East and Pakistan and donated generously towards female education. Muslims have killed their co-religionists more than non-Muslims have killed Muslims and the trend continues today.
First, Pakistanis were having palpitations and they were cursing Malala for not condemning Israeli aggression in Gaza but when Malala came out and condemned it, Pakistanis said she was putting up a show. And now, the same for Kashmir. Pakistanis will try their best to find faults in whatever she does!
Pakistanis have a problem with her living abroad but every day, hundreds of Pakistanis attempt to flee the country and settle in Europe and many die en route. Pakistanis are a special breed : they are top grade hypocrites. Hundreds or even thousands of Pakistani Muslims have settled in Hong Kong while posing as Christians from Punjab and telling the immigration officials that they are at risk in Pakistan due to their faith. But when you go and check out their social media accounts, they are calling for beheading of Ahmedis and Hindus and preaching Islam.
There is hypocrisy in every step Pakistanis take. It is deeply ingrained.
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Just because a hindu is beaten up? Man, what world are you living in?
I could write a book on the Hindu persecution in Pakistan let alone what's happening with Christians, Zoroastrians and Ahmedi's. You really need to open your eyes. The situation is horrible.
If you'd like I can educate you on this but I would prefer if you made the effort to look into the persecution of minorities in Pakistan in order to understand what is going on. Look into the destruction of Hindu temples in Pakistan. Read up on Reema Abbasi's writing about the persecution of hindu's in Pakistan. Look up how many Hindu families are fleeing Pakistan every year and running off to somewhere else. Read up about the 2010 Lahore Massace, about the 30 odd hindus that were killed by the government in Baluchistan back in 2005.
Point being there's a lot and you can turn a blind eye to it by saying it doesn't happen much or its only a few cases but that's not the truth
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Ok I will bite. Who are the conspirators and what is their intent?
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You are spouting too much rubbish! Who the hell are you to call every single pakistani a hypocrite? It is ok to critisize but to say all pakistani are this or that, is totally uncalled for. There are good people and bad people in every society.
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My post is deleted but this garbage post is allowed to remain?
You are generalizing all Pakistanis and displaying your own ingrained inferiority complex, nothing else.
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You are the biggest hypocrite of them all then. Why are you showing up on a Pakistani website then? Shouldn't you disassociate with hypocrites?
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You are going way overboard. Pakistanis aren't a special breed, you will probably find they are not that different from anywhere else. If you really want to go down that road then we can open a dedicated thread and delve deeper into this if you like, hopefully those involved will disclose full transparency as to their own backgrounds.
Malala didn't do anything wrong other than get used as a stick for some P-bashing, probably what has made her the target of ire from patriotic Pakistanis who get fed up of being bad mouthed across the globe.
Many Pakistanis have a similar line of thinking as what I have mentioned above.
If I point out faults of my countryman, does that make me a traitor? Why should I distance myself from Pakistan?
It is no wonder Hassan Nisar is disliked in this country.
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All except your immediate family I am sure.
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Dude, she is a great representative for Pakistan and very well spoken.
And your views about what she has said and done regarding Pakistan and muslims are just laughably wrong. Who the hell has told you these things?
I shouldn't be surprised that she is hated though. The murderer of Salman Taseer is treated like a hero by a great many Pakistanis.
Cringe away! I am not having your rubbish of every non Muslim Pakistani being killed or oppressed. People like Danish Kameria and Deepak Perwani have done very well for themselves. When in Pak has there been a operation bluestar or Godhra where minorities have been burnt or killed in thousands openly?
She is well spoken for being paid brilliantly when outsiders tell her to! No one needs to tell me nothing at all. She is like Sharmeen Obaid Chinoy another western sellout doing the work of the enemy. I will speak out against anything and anyone as well just credit my account with some good dosh! I don't hate this Mallala at all but remember she has made million's now for being attacked by terrorists!
Let the truth be delusion to people like you! Sure she has contributed very well after being being made a millionairess by the west for being attacked! Where do I sign on the dotted line to follow her? So from that money she made some is being passed on to suffering Muslims!
No one is saying Muslim people do not have problems within the community so what you on about? Problem I have with her is he so called balanced views are not that at all. Every now and again just to prove herself to be a Pakistani a few words of condemnation are said to please us! If she is really sincere can do a lot more giving a balanced view and questioning the west's never ending war's on Muslim countries. Do you have the hot's for her or something that you are unable to see the double standards within her as it seems?
The problem here is how she has made millions for being shot!! What has she done for the country that is so praiseworthy other then a few tweets here and there? I did not deny Pak people seeking asylum elsewhere neither are those people attacking Malala then why are you having a go at them for? How do you know these people seeking asylum abroad are the very ones who are calling for Malala to be murdered? You no nothing....you no jack but are just making the entire thing up without an ounce of evidence.
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Operation Searchlight in 1971, which was considered the biggest genocide since the Holocaust.
I am living in the real world! You are unable to see the difference over why people are killed that is not always for their religious belief. So all the Muslim's being killed in Pak are for their faith as well? It is often a social class thing where the ruling elite kill for things like power and land.
You don't need to educate the educated! I have plenty of family in Pak including teachers who agree with me that it is not always over religious issues. Similarly in India every Muslim being killed may not always be for their religion as well. I am not saying Pak is a heaven for minorities however we do have a good many successful non Muslims as well. Even today's Lollywood has an increasing number of non Muslims joining it. Temples are old often give way themselves although some may be destroyed as well. You will do well to read "Lost Heritage: The Sikh legacy in Pakistan" about their temples that still exist. You are pointing out sporadic incidents, I am saying that it is not always a religious issue!
We do have many non Muslims who are doing okay as well. There are always two sides to a coin that self hating people like you fail to acknowledge.
I am gonna have to do my own research on that.
To give Pak a bad name they need self hating people. They have made Malala a very wealthy lady for doing that! From a nobody she has become a millionairess.
See people like you come right outta a comic book! You would rather just follow the common opinion than form your own one. What she has done is made a lot of money for talking nonsense or the obvious for that matter. We all know the many problems Pak has, only difference is that she is a western stooge who gets paid for speaking or tweeting.
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