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Skillful display by Bumrah. He had to earn each wicket. Not fluke wickets. He carefully set up each wicket.
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No expert has ever put Imran over Wasim as a bowler.
I agree, but with balls that were heavily tampered with bottle caps and that will not be allowed to be used by umpires today.
If number of wickets is the only criteria you have, then it will be a long discussion. Because remember, there are bowlers from India having many more wickets than Imran![]()
Bitterness is a art.
Every world 11 compiled by experts has Wasim over Imran.
Most greats of Wasims era rate him as the best they faced.
In Imran's era it was Malcolm Marshall who was ahead of everyone.
Imran was a ATG bowler. But skills wise Wasim was ahead. Infact there is no bowler in the game who had or has more skills than Wasim Akram.
Waqar younis is an atg but has a horrible record in India and Australia, the 2 best batting line ups of his era.Waqar got to 150 wickets in 27 tests. Better than anyone. Waqar to 200 wickets at a record breaking rate.
I say it again. Peak waqar is arguably the most destructive fast bowler in test history.
That you are displaying in resounding fashion. I know it is painful to see India produce a bowler that is superior than your childhood hero like Waqar.Bitterness is an art.
Ive stated ample times of bumrahs undoubted quality.That you are displaying in resounding fashion. I know it is painful to see India produce a bowler that is superior than your childhood hero like Waqar.
It was certainly an unthinkable thought 15 years back.
Waqar younis is an atg but has a horrible record in India and Australia, the 2 best batting line ups of his era.
He had the best peak since sidney barnes but surely his record against the best has to count against him.
1914? Amateur's era.Jasprit Bumrah, A master at work.
Wickets: 151
Average: 20.40
Of bowlers to take 150 or more Test wickets, Bumrah has the second lowest average.
S.F. Barnes, who last played a Test in 1914, is the only bowler with more than 150 wickets and a lower average than Bumrah.
I don't think bumrah will be playing any useless bilaterals.Bumrah is a great bowler but I just don’t think he’ll play enough Test cricket to get to 400 wickets.
With the never ending encroachment of franchise cricket, ever shorter Test series etc, it is sad but many of the batting and bowling Test records will never be broken.
And, let’s face it, who really follows T20 records …The format is so ephemeral
Lovely to hear Bumrah state in his post innings interview how much he prioritises Test cricket
Jasprit Bumrah, A master at work.
Wickets: 151
Average: 20.40
Of bowlers to take 150 or more Test wickets, Bumrah has the second lowest average.
S.F. Barnes, who last played a Test in 1914, is the only bowler with more than 150 wickets and a lower average than Bumrah.
That is not a criteria. We can only count the performance a player has had on the field. Going by that logic, if Imran never had the injury and continued as a pure bowler, he may not be counted as an allrounder because it was mostly during his non bowling years he amassed more runs.Nope. I'm pointing out imran lost his peak years. Remember it was imran who taught wasim waqar Every thing about fast bowling. Akram and waqar even admit this
That is not a criteria. We can only count the performance a player has had on the field. Going by that logic, if Imran never had the injury and continued as a pure bowler, he may not be counted as an allrounder because it was mostly during his non bowling years he amassed more runs.
Just because Imran taught Wasim many of his tricks doesnt mean he was a better bowler. Wasim was always more talented. During his peak years, he wasn't considered an out and out best fast bowler in the world. There were more than a few who were rated very high.
In terms of respect, nobody ever doubts Wasim as a superior bowler.
I dont want to put a great bowler down. However, Waqar did not have as many great performances against the top teams as against the weaker teams. Namely, Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka. His best performances came against NZ, which wasn't a top tier team then.Excellent.
Whilst bumrah took 34 tests to get to 150 .
Waqar took 27 tests. And then to get to 200 test wickets at a incredible bowling average as well as the strike rate.
I dont want to put a great bowler down. However, Waqar did not have as many great performances against the top teams as against the weaker teams. Namely, Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka. His best performances came against NZ, which wasn't a top tier team then.
Pretty certain Bangladesh were not playing test cricket in late 80's early 90'sI dont want to put a great bowler down. However, Waqar did not have as many great performances against the top teams as against the weaker teams. Namely, Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka. His best performances came against NZ, which wasn't a top tier team then.
1914? Amateur's era.
He is simply joy to watch. Home, Away, Weak sides, Strong sides, New ball, Old ball, this format, that format -- Always in the game. A complete champion bowler. He will have a shorter career, but right up there with the best in history. He is in class of Wasim, McGrath etc.. Just top tier in all formats in all conditions. Career wise he is not going to have same career due to lack of longevity, but class is obvious.Yes. As per commentators, no one has taken 150 test wickets or more at a better avg in last 100 years.
But his overall average has been enhanced against BangladeshI
Pretty certain Bangladesh were not playing test cricket in late 80's early 90's
There's no harm in performing against lesser teams as long as that players performs against the best teams. Waqar's performance against Australia was extremely poor.But his overall average has been enhanced against Bangladesh
But his overall average has been enhanced against Bangladesh
Yes. As per commentators, no one has taken 150 test wickets or more at a better avg in last 100 years.
Waqar got to 150 wickets in 27 tests. No bowler can match that
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Depends on where he played against whom etc etc.
You have problem with poor batsmanship and arguing that because of it bowlers are finding it easy to take wickets but statistically batsman scored more runs per wicket after year in 21st century compared to 20th century..Facts are against your argument..And what would you say about shambolic current test era. Where flat track bullies and t20 hacks are championed!
Lol. Basically the critics are judging his career achievements on 5 tests. Three in Australia and two in india!
Give me a break lol
Lol. Basically the critics are judging his career achievements on 5 tests. Three in Australia and two in india!
Give me a break lo
He is 30+ already. Got 3-4 years maxI don't think bumrah will be playing any useless bilaterals.
Will most probably only play high key tests, icc tournaments and the ipl.
Managing his workload is one of the few good things that the BCCI has done.
But he won't get 400 test wickets, will be pleasantly surprised if he manages to do so.
Revise Bumrah to 20.9.Best Test bowling average for pacers in the 21st century (min 100 wickets)
21.28 - Glenn McGrath
21.99 - Jasprit Bumrah
22.26 - Shoaib Akhtar
22.32 - Vernon Philander
22.34 - Kagiso Rabada
Jasprit Bumrah almost leveling Lengendary Glenn McGrath in Test bowling average. And behind him only one Pakistani pacer which is Shoaib Akhtar. Shaheen Shah Afridi is nowhere near to any current pacers.
I also initially thought that he would be very good in shorter formats, but he is right up there with the best in history in all formats. There have been bowlers who are gun in one and good in another but it's rare to have a bowler who is incredible in all three format.Former England pacer Stuart Broad eulogized India vice-captain Jasprit Bumrah after his exploits with the ball on Day 2 of the second Test in Visakhapatnam. Broad wrote in his column for a local newspaper:
"If someone as good as Joe Root is habitually struggling with a particular bowler, you can bet your bottom dollar that every batter on the Test scene will be. Jasprit Bumrah has a unique action and there's no doubting that India are a much better team with him in it. He's an incredible Twenty20 bowler, but as his record of 152 wickets at just 20.28 runs each attests, he is even more effective in Test cricket. Statistically, he is right up there with the very best to have played the game."
"Facing him isn't like facing anyone else in the world and I used to hate it. Sri Lanka's Lasith Malinga, with his slingy round-arm release, had that point of difference about him and Bumrah has something similar in that his deliveries are incredibly hard to pick up. Because he trots in from a very calm, short, shuffling run-up, he generates no real energy and there is therefore no real build-up to the ball suddenly being upon you at the striker's end. It can be very disconcerting."
It is not surprising because he is as close to perfection as you can get.I also initially thought that he would be very good in shorter formats, but he is right up there with the best in history in all formats. There have been bowlers who are gun in one and good in another but it's rare to have a bowler who is incredible in all three format.
Yah, you have to be complete bowler to do so well in all formats. His action will put plenty of strain on his body and makes him injury prone.It is not surprising because he is as close to perfection as you can get.
He has pace, he can swing both ways, he can move it off the seam, he can bowl with the old ball and bowl yorkers, he has intelligence and his action is not easy to pick even for those who have faced him plenty of times.
In addition to all of the above, he has control which allows him to put everything together.
The only criticism if any, is that he is injury prone.
I don’t think he’ll get get to 400. He’s what, 30. He may have another 5 years in the game.
If India play 10 tests a year every year from here on, that’s 50 Tests he can play over 5 years. Assuming no injury or loss in form for him.
And even if he takes wickets at his current average of 4.55 wickets per Test, he wil get at best 228 more wickets, leading to a total of 382.
Again - this assumes no time out for injury or loss of form.
You can question all my assumptions, but I personally wouldn’t bet on his getting there.
As long as he avoids bilateral T20s and ODIs and focuses more on Tests similar to what Anderson and Broad did in later stages of their careers...then yes he too can reach 400 Test wickets.It may sound bitter to many but I don't think he would ever be able to make it to 400 wickets in his Test career
I think towards the tail end of his career he will do an Anderson. Doesn't need high pace with his skills and action.It may sound bitter to many but I don't think he would ever be able to make it to 400 wickets in his Test career
The bold part is greatness, 400 is just a number.Actually 400 wickets is not that unlikely - unless he has another career threatening injury
He is 30 now & has 155 wickets. Over the next 3 years he will reach 300 wickets - given his current form & volume of test cricket he plays
After that he can do a Steyn - become a support bowler & mentor figure & crawl towards 400 wickets over the next 4-5 years.
Dale Steyn took his 350th wicket in 69 matches. After that he dragged on for 24 tests taking 93 wickets. Well below his peak levels but reached milestone of 400 wickets
Also playing on bouncier home pitches help thoughThe bold part is greatness, 400 is just a number.
Sure, SA pitches help bowlers.Also playing on bouncier home pitches help though
The rate of picking wickets was not too different for Steyn. Career SR 42 vs away SR 43. He would have been close to 350 wickets in most cases in 70-80 games.Also playing on bouncier home pitches help though
That's true. Lethal bowler he was.The rate of picking wickets was not too different for Steyn. Career SR 42 vs away SR 43. He would have been close to 350 wickets in most cases in 70-80 games.
The main thing is him running through the sides to bowl SA to victory in so many away series. You could always count on Styeyn to bowl some magical spell in series to take the series away even if the pitch was poor for pacers.
Bradman was greatest with less than 7000 runs.
Mrashall didn't take 400 wickets.
Just saying.![]()
Did Bradman had the luxury to score 10K runs?
Did Marshall had that luxury?
Bumrah can't be the greatest if he is injury prone and requires to be rested every now and then. He can be a great but to be greatest, you shouldn't have this deficiency.
Did Bradman had the luxury to score 10K runs?
Did Marshall had that luxury?
Bumrah can't be the greatest if he is injury prone and requires to be rested every now and then. He can be a great but to be greatest, you shouldn't have this deficiency.
India's legendary batter Sunil Gavaskar points fingers at pacer and trainer, as he wrote in his column for a local magazine:
“He bowled 15 and 8 overs across both innings in Ranchi. Bumrah was rested at the instructions of the trainer."
“I don’t understand the logic as players are getting ample rest between the games. They have enough time to recover. Be it between the second and third games or the fourth and the fifth Tests."
“The fourth Test was a big game, and you can’t rest your best bowler from a game of that importance. I don’t know who took the call. It was Bumrah or the NCA that told the management to rest him. It was not in the interest of the team."