Pitch for India vs England 2nd Test expected to offer more turn

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

India's best bowling performer in Chennai wasn't required to go for any precautionary scans which will certainly be a relief for Kohli as he expects a friendlier pitch during the next Test starting from Saturday.

After one of the flattest decks on offer during the first Test in Chennai, the task will be cut out for Tamil Nadu Cricket Association's rookie curator V Ramesh Kumar and BCCI head of pitches and grounds committee head Taposh Chatterjee, to provide a track which doesn't make toss a crucial factor.

While currently there was grass cover on one of the adjacent strips, which could be used for the second match, it is a given that there will be fair share of turn.

It will be interesting to see unlike the first Test when there was liberal sprinkling of water and fair share of rolling, whether Ramesh and Chatterjee stop watering the track during next three days.

If a dry pitch is baked adequately in the sun, there could always be a case of pitch breaking early.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...ight-offer-more-turn/articleshow/80787945.cms

 

[MenInG]

Axar Patel Likely to Replace Shahbaz Nadeem in Team India's Playing XI For 2nd Test

Team India could go for one change to their playing XI in the second Test against England starting Saturday with Jharkhand left-arm spinner Shahbaz Nadeem making way for fit-again all-rounder Axar Patel after his poor show in the series-opener in Chennai. In the first Test, Nadeem picked up four wickets and gave away 233 runs in 59 overs across two innings with an economy rate of close to 4 runs per over. And if that wasn’t enough, as a slow bowler, a total of nine no balls at the Test match level cannot be overlooked.

While Nadeem’s replacement will be decided by Friday, one can expect Patel to replace him after his debut was put on hold by an injury. India were outplayed in the first Test that ended on Tuesday. “Axar had a minor knee niggle and has already started batting at the nets. He is expected to start bowling during the next couple of days,” a senior BCCI source quoted by PTI on Wednesday.

“He was always the first choice to play the opening Test but it will depend on skipper Virat Kohli, head coach Ravi Shastri and bowling coach Bharat Arun,” he added.

Indian captain Virat Kohli didn’t hide his disappointment when it came to Nadeem’s performance during the post-match presentation where he said that he and Washington Sundar couldn’t keep up the pressure that was created by Jasprit Bumrah, Ishant Sharma and Ravichandran Ashwin.

Nadeem himself admitted that he has had some issues with the timing of his jump at the crease and he needs to sort that out in the nets.

Washington bowled 26 overs for 98 runs in the first innings and got a solitary over in the second innings. However, Washington, who was impressive with the bat in the first innings, is likely to retain his place in the playing XI.

After one of the flattest decks on offer during the first Test in Chennai, task will be cut out for Tamil Nadu Cricket Association’s rookie curator V Ramesh Kumar and BCCI head of pitches and grounds committee head Taposh Chatterjee, to provide a track that doesn’t make toss so crucial.

While currently, there is grass cover on one of the adjacent strips, which could be used for the second match, it is a given that there will be fair share of turn. It will be interesting to see whether Ramesh and Chatterjee stop watering the track during the next three days.

If a dry pitch is baked adequately in sunshine, there could always be a case of pitch breaking early.

There is always this school of thought in Indian cricket circles as to why questions are raised about tracks that offer turn from the first day whereas in places like Christchurch in New Zealand, the 22-yard strip couldn’t be identified from the outfield.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...st-chennai-pitch-might-offer-more-turn-970042

 

[Mamoon]

Good decision. Nadeem looked very average.

 

[Rana]

Too many of these tall, flat spinners. First Sundar and now Patel

 

[JaDed]

[MENTION=133020]jattMaula lets see if the domestic is good considering your claim about Axar

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Hopefully not a low scoring rank turner.

It might backfire on India.

Chennai 2013 pitch is probably the best asian spin pitch i have seen in my lifetime.

Looked like the surface of mars but teams could put on 400-500 in the first innings if they batted well.

Runs will come quickly too so makes for some entertaining viewing.

Hope we get something like that.

 

[Kroll]

Good, Dom Bess will now flatten the Indians.

 

[Hasan123]

If it’s a rank turner it is anyone’s game.

 

[Mamoon]

So the pitch will offer turn? Time for Jack Leach to call this legend for advice.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Axar patel is a very avg domestic bowler in 4 day cricket. India needs to select a wrist spinner. Kuldeep or Chahar.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Axar patel is a very avg domestic bowler in 4 day cricket. India needs to select a wrist spinner. Kuldeep or Chahar.

Kuldeep, Ashwin with Sundar sharing the overs is the perfect balance. Please no more of that Nadeem, the guy seems to have very limited ability...

 

[Romali_rotti]

Looks like Axar Patel is in to replace Nadeem. Patel is still recovering from his knee injury, wow Kohli must really hate Kuldeep... Loss no.2 coming up, if ENG Whitewash India, hopefully Kohli's captain post will be taken away...

 

[Ab Fan]

Kohli's team selection is awful. You never know what he comes up next. This series is anyone's.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Looks like Axar Patel is in to replace Nadeem. Patel is still recovering from his knee injury, wow Kohli must really hate Kuldeep... Loss no.2 coming up, if ENG Whitewash India, hopefully Kohli's captain post will be taken away...

Only way Kohli's captaincy post gets taken away is if India gets out from the group stage of the 2023 World Cup in India. BCCI won't dare to drop him from the post until then.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Axar Patel is not a bad selection at all.

Hasnt he been doing well in domestics?

The original idea for the first test was Ashwin, Axar and Kuldeep.

Ashwin and Axar as bats.

With Axar injured, we went with Sundar.

And since both bring the ball in to the righties, we dropped Kuldeep for Nadeem.

Unfortunately Nadeem has developed a technical issue (timing of the jump i heard)...... Just like Ash developed one during the 2012 Eng series.

Now while Nadeem may not be a great bowler he isnt as bad a bowler as we saw in Chennai.

Now ideally, we should go with Ashwin, Axar and Kuldeep... But with sundar performing with the bat, it has made him undroppable (and quite indispensable considering our legendary batting lol).

So its a tough call.

It really depends on how they are bowling in the nets.

If Axar is doing well, i would go with Ash axar and sundar combo.

Regretable that kuldeep misses out but its for the team combo.

Now if kuldeep is uprooting trees in the nets, then its a different issue altogether.

As for pacers, i am not sure ishant is the answer for the next test (he is a must for pink ball test tho).

We need fast skiddy bowlers who can reverse the ball... la shami or umesh.

Maybe trying siraj might be a better option...

 

[Justcrazy]

If its a rank turner, game may finish in 3 days, a kind of lottery.

 

[Manunited18]

England have nothing to fear, even if India win the toss I back England to rip out Indias brittle top order.

 

[Last Monetarist]

I'd expect the following team:

Burns
Sibley
Lawrence
Root
Stokes
Pope
Foakes
Bess
Archer
Broad
Leach

There is perhaps an argument to play Moeen Ali instead of Lawrence, but I won't make that decision myself. It would have been handy if England had Rashid in the squad though.

 

[Manunited18]

I'd expect the following team:

Burns
Sibley
Lawrence
Root
Stokes
Pope
Foakes
Bess
Archer
Broad
Leach

There is perhaps an argument to play Moeen Ali instead of Lawrence, but I won't make that decision myself. It would have been handy if England had Rashid in the squad though.

Moeen has played very little competitive cricket , can't afford to many changes, frustrating that johnny bairstow not available for such a important test now that joss being rested. I'm a fan of Ben foakes but hes had no cricket at all, a Stuart broad chomping at the bit is good news for England.

 

[sindhiboy]

It still seems india is playing with 3 bowlers,
Why is sundar's place guaranteed? Bowled as bad as nadeem.
He is in the team for his bowling, not batting.

Axar can bat too and should replace sundar. Kuldeep should come in for nadeem.

Otherwise root can easily score another ton

 

[PakPremi]

For once Pak have better spinner in leagues than India. Zahid, Nauman, Sajid, Usman Q, Shadab, Nawaz and many more to help Yasir as and when needed. Although except Yasir they are all unproven. Whereas India only have Ashwin and Jedeja showing their class

 

[Bewal Express]

Why are India looking for spinning wickets, Why not produce just good wickets with pace and bounce and with their pace attack with Ashwin they should take 20 wickets. Do they not have any trust in their batsman?

 

[Gullycricket]

Hope Kohli and Shahstri go easy on the curater and dont shower him with abuses like in SA 2015 series

 

[90MPH]

Jeez, talk about desperation. What was wrong with the first pitch ?

Just leave bit of grass or moisture so team batting first is not going to find it easy to pile a massive score.

 

[Ab Fan]

India should play Siraj ahead of Ishant. Ishant may suit more for pink ball test.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Whereas India only have Ashwin and Jedeja showing their class

Someone made a Reddit post about Indian selectors picking IPL performers for the Test team. It was a fair point. Axar Patel was selected for the left-arm all-rounder spot over Aditya Sarwate, even though Aditya has performed better at Ranji Trophy over the past 2 seasons.

Washington Sundar picked in the team though he's not a regular in Ranji Trophy for Tamil Nadu.

 

[ElRaja]

Someone made a Reddit post about Indian selectors picking IPL performers for the Test team. It was a fair point. Axar Patel was selected for the left-arm all-rounder spot over Aditya Sarwate, even though Aditya has performed better at Ranji Trophy over the past 2 seasons.

Washington Sundar picked in the team though he's not a regular in Ranji Trophy for Tamil Nadu.

he seems to have great stats, altho i get confused with indian first class stats, some guys from smaller teams have crazy stats, im assuming they play for first class games locally and some of the teams are a lot weaker.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Jeez, talk about desperation. What was wrong with the first pitch ?

Just leave bit of grass or moisture so team batting first is not going to find it easy to pile a massive score.

Everything was wrong about the first pitch.

Useless patta that turns later on.

Toss puts the winner as overwhelming favourites.

You can win batting 2nd but you gotta play way way better.

Its the definition of a mediocre pitch that makes for dull test cricket.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Why are India looking for spinning wickets, Why not produce just good wickets with pace and bounce and with their pace attack with Ashwin they should take 20 wickets. Do they not have any trust in their batsman?

Thats what India want but this is a Chennai pitch.

When you tamper too much with it, there will be unintended consequences.

So better to atleast make it turn from ball 1 to make it fair and remove the impact of toss.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Toss is imp even on a turner but not as imp on a pitch like first test.

 

[Bewal Express]

Thats what India want but this is a Chennai pitch.

When you tamper too much with it, there will be unintended consequences.

So better to atleast make it turn from ball 1 to make it fair and remove the impact of toss.

If you have a rank turning wicket, you turn into a lottery. If i was Ind i would go for grassy hard wicket and trust the bowlers and batsman. This England batting lineup is weak and doesnt need extreme conditions to get them out.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

If you have a rank turning wicket, you turn into a lottery. If i was Ind i would go for grassy hard wicket and trust the bowlers and batsman. This England batting lineup is weak and doesnt need extreme conditions to get them out.

Thats why i hope it aint a rank turner.

Rank turner can easily backfire.

Theres almost no difference between our spinners and theirs in that type of pitch.

 

[hitthestump]

For once Pak have better spinner in leagues than India. Zahid, Nauman, Sajid, Usman Q, Shadab, Nawaz and many more to help Yasir as and when needed. Although except Yasir they are all unproven. Whereas India only have Ashwin and Jedeja showing their class

All it takes is for Yasir to step one foot out of Asia and suddenly we have zilch in the spin department. We'd kill for Ashwin and Jadeja.

 

[Mesozoic]

For once Pak have better spinner in leagues than India. Zahid, Nauman, Sajid, Usman Q, Shadab, Nawaz and many more to help Yasir as and when needed. Although except Yasir they are all unproven. Whereas India only have Ashwin and Jedeja showing their class

I mean..... you do know how you sound right?

 

[90MPH]

Everything was wrong about the first pitch.

Useless patta that turns later on.

Toss puts the winner as overwhelming favourites.

You can win batting 2nd but you gotta play way way better.

Its the definition of a mediocre pitch that makes for dull test cricket.

The irony is the the Toss mattters a lot more on a rank turner becuase batting last makes it even more ridiculous, at times impossible.

Not just that, it can make anyone who just turns his arm into Murali on such a wicket. Test cricket is about facing the best, not the mediocre who get assistance on day 1.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Thats why i hope it aint a rank turner.

Rank turner can easily backfire.

Theres almost no difference between our spinners and theirs in that type of pitch.

A rank turner is far better than the pitch we had for the first test. You know that a rank turner will spin from day one and hence toss isnt that important.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

The irony is the the Toss mattters a lot more on a rank turner becuase batting last makes it even more ridiculous, at times impossible.

Not just that, it can make anyone who just turns his arm into Murali on such a wicket. Test cricket is about facing the best, not the mediocre who get assistance on day 1.

I am not advocating for a low scoring rank Turner.

Toss matters less in rank Turner than a patta cos 2 teams play in similar conditions.

In pattas, one team gets to bat on a 600 pitch and another on a 400 pitch...

For the 2nd innings, first team gets to bat on a 250 pitch and last team gets to bat on a 150 pitch...

Rank turners are more fairer.

But it's risky.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

A rank turner is far better than the pitch we had for the first test. You know that a rank turner will spin from day one and hence toss isnt that important.

Rank Turner is better than first pitch.

That's what I have been saying all along.

But a good spin track is better than both.

If we go rank Turner, better to go for the 2013 one.

Brilliant pitch imho.

 

[MenInG]

From the ECB:

Jofra Archer will miss the second Test against India in Chennai starting on Saturday after having an injection in his right elbow.

The injection follows discomfort the fast bowler experienced during the 227-run win in the first Test at the same venue.

The issue is not related to any previous injury and it is hoped the treatment will allow the condition to settle down quickly, allowing the player to return to action in time for the third Test in Ahmedabad.

 

[Last Monetarist]

The Times of India reporting that the BCCI groundsman, Taposh Chatterjee, who was in charge of overseeing the pitches at Chennai has been demoted and packed away to work in domestic cricket. Apparently, it was due to heavy criticism of the pitch from the team. The pitch preparation for the second test has been handed to a rookie groundsman who has never even prepared a pitch for first-class cricket. It's a complete overreaction, although characteristically vindictive, from the BCCI if true.

 

[Abhilash93]

The Times of India reporting that the BCCI groundsman, Taposh Chatterjee, who was in charge of overseeing the pitches at Chennai has been demoted and packed away to work in domestic cricket. Apparently, it was due to heavy criticism of the pitch from the team. The pitch preparation for the second test has been handed to a rookie groundsman who has never even prepared a pitch for first-class cricket. It's a complete overreaction, although characteristically vindictive, from the BCCI if true.

The pitch preparation was handed to the rookie groundsman by the local Cricket association much before the series started. Chatterjee is only guiding/overseeing things as the BCCI representative.

You might want to read this:
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/...-to-roll-out-pitch-with-english-look-1249664?

 

[Minnowbasher]

Could backfire for India. Had it been another flat pitch they could win the toss bat first and score 600 like England did. With the ball spinning and Indian batsmen not being miles better at playing spin than England its anyone's game.
Joe Root and Ben Stokes play spin better than most of the Indian batsmen.

 

[Minnowbasher]

If I was India I wouldn't panic after the first test. Prepare a similar pitch and back yourself. India are still huge favourites to win this series.

 

[Bilal7]

England's only hope is winning the toss yet again (and injuring Ashwin). India is clearly the better team in their conditions and regardless of the type of pitch, the toss is extremely crucial.

From the ECB:

Jofra Archer will miss the second Test against India in Chennai starting on Saturday after having an injection in his right elbow.

The injection follows discomfort the fast bowler experienced during the 227-run win in the first Test at the same venue.

The issue is not related to any previous injury and it is hoped the treatment will allow the condition to settle down quickly, allowing the player to return to action in time for the third Test in Ahmedabad.

This is the match to play both Anderson and Broad in. Archer will be missed and India will punish any of England's other pacers. Unless England decide to go with three spinners and utilize Moeen's batting.

 

[Bilal7]

I am not advocating for a low scoring rank Turner.

Toss matters less in rank Turner than a patta cos 2 teams play in similar conditions.

In pattas, one team gets to bat on a 600 pitch and another on a 400 pitch...

For the 2nd innings, first team gets to bat on a 250 pitch and last team gets to bat on a 150 pitch...

Rank turners are more fairer.

But it's risky.

Rank turners are not any fairer. The team batting first has a huge advantage. Good cricketing wickets do not offer any type of player an undues advantage over the others.

 

[Mamoon]

England's only hope is winning the toss yet again (and injuring Ashwin). India is clearly the better team in their conditions and regardless of the type of pitch, the toss is extremely crucial.



This is the match to play both Anderson and Broad in. Archer will be missed and India will punish any of England's other pacers. Unless England decide to go with three spinners and utilize Moeen's batting.

On the contrary, I think England will go with Anderson and Broad for the D/N Test because there will be some lateral movement on offer, and would stick with Archer for the upcoming Test.

On a rank-turner or a flat pitch, you need someone like Archer who can take the pitch out of the occasion with his bounce and the ability crank it up well past the 90 mph mark.

Anderson and Broad together would be one-dimensional in such conditions.

 

[Bilal7]

On the contrary, I think England will go with Anderson and Broad for the D/N Test because there will be some lateral movement on offer, and would stick with Archer for the upcoming Test.

On a rank-turner or a flat pitch, you need someone like Archer who can take the pitch out of the occasion with his bounce and the ability crank it up well past the 90 mph mark.

Anderson and Broad together would be one-dimensional in such conditions.

I agree. However, Archer is injured and will not be available for the second test. England cannot afford to ease up.

 

[Mamoon]

I agree. However, Archer is injured and will not be available for the second test. England cannot afford to ease up.

Just saw the news. Huge blow for England.

Looks like Joe Root will have to pull off another 200 to stop India from leveling the series.

 

[Justcrazy]

India still ahead in the series as far as capablity is concerned. Root is bound to fail somwhere , and others are not showing much hunger for runs.

 

[UzmanBeast]

Axar Patel is not a bad selection at all.

Hasnt he been doing well in domestics?

The original idea for the first test was Ashwin, Axar and Kuldeep.

Ashwin and Axar as bats.

With Axar injured, we went with Sundar.

And since both bring the ball in to the righties, we dropped Kuldeep for Nadeem.

Unfortunately Nadeem has developed a technical issue (timing of the jump i heard)...... Just like Ash developed one during the 2012 Eng series.

Now while Nadeem may not be a great bowler he isnt as bad a bowler as we saw in Chennai.

Now ideally, we should go with Ashwin, Axar and Kuldeep... But with sundar performing with the bat, it has made him undroppable (and quite indispensable considering our legendary batting lol).

So its a tough call.

It really depends on how they are bowling in the nets.

If Axar is doing well, i would go with Ash axar and sundar combo.

Regretable that kuldeep misses out but its for the team combo.

Now if kuldeep is uprooting trees in the nets, then its a different issue altogether.

As for pacers, i am not sure ishant is the answer for the next test (he is a must for pink ball test tho).

We need fast skiddy bowlers who can reverse the ball... la shami or umesh.

Maybe trying siraj might be a better option...

If it's a turner, would it not be better to go in with Kuldeep? He spins it both ways, has decent control, and can be used as an attacking option.

If Axar is looking good in the nets, and if his bowling is also good after that knee injury, it would be wise to play him ahead of Washington Sundar.

You have Ashwin, Axar, and Kuldeep, you have a lot of variety in the spin attack without compromising too much on the batting.

In that case, the team could be structured like:

Rohit Sharma
Shubman Gill
Cheteshwar Pujara
Virat Kohli
Ajinkya Rahane
Rishabh Pant
Axar Patel
Ravichandran Ashwin
Kuldeep Yadav
Jasprit Bumrah
Mohammad Siraj

It depends on how many runs Axar makes, if Axar can make the runs and bowl well, then you guys won't miss Jadeja too much. However, if Axar doesn't make the runs, the tail becomes very long, and so that's the only questionmark present.

The point with Kuldeep's selection is that if there's spin, I'd say he can rip through the opposition quite well. However, being a wrist spinner, he won't offer you the same amount of control as someone like Ashwin will, so expect him to maybe go at 3.7 or 4 RPO.

Either option could really work, but I just felt like Shahbaz Nadeem's finger spin wasn't really threatening at all to the English batsmen, and a chinaman like Kuldeep brings more variety and attacking options into play.

 

[DeadBall]

From the ECB:

Jofra Archer will miss the second Test against India in Chennai starting on Saturday after having an injection in his right elbow.

The injection follows discomfort the fast bowler experienced during the 227-run win in the first Test at the same venue.

The issue is not related to any previous injury and it is hoped the treatment will allow the condition to settle down quickly, allowing the player to return to action in time for the third Test in Ahmedabad.

Could've just said during the first Test. No need to rub it in...

 

[Mamoon]

From the ECB:

Jofra Archer will miss the second Test against India in Chennai starting on Saturday after having an injection in his right elbow.

The injection follows discomfort the fast bowler experienced during the 227-run win in the first Test at the same venue.

The issue is not related to any previous injury and it is hoped the treatment will allow the condition to settle down quickly, allowing the player to return to action in time for the third Test in Ahmedabad.

)

ECB not coming slow.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Rank turners are not any fairer. The team batting first has a huge advantage. Good cricketing wickets do not offer any type of player an undues advantage over the others.

Welcome back bilal. Good to see you.

I have mentioned many times in this thread...

Rank turners are fairer than pattas (that take turn later on) but good turners are fairer than both.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

The Times of India reporting that the BCCI groundsman, Taposh Chatterjee, who was in charge of overseeing the pitches at Chennai has been demoted and packed away to work in domestic cricket. Apparently, it was due to heavy criticism of the pitch from the team. The pitch preparation for the second test has been handed to a rookie groundsman who has never even prepared a pitch for first-class cricket. It's a complete overreaction, although characteristically vindictive, from the BCCI if true.

What if this guy screws up even more?
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]....your thoughts?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

If it's a turner, would it not be better to go in with Kuldeep? He spins it both ways, has decent control, and can be used as an attacking option.

If Axar is looking good in the nets, and if his bowling is also good after that knee injury, it would be wise to play him ahead of Washington Sundar.

You have Ashwin, Axar, and Kuldeep, you have a lot of variety in the spin attack without compromising too much on the batting.

In that case, the team could be structured like:

Rohit Sharma
Shubman Gill
Cheteshwar Pujara
Virat Kohli
Ajinkya Rahane
Rishabh Pant
Axar Patel
Ravichandran Ashwin
Kuldeep Yadav
Jasprit Bumrah
Mohammad Siraj

It depends on how many runs Axar makes, if Axar can make the runs and bowl well, then you guys won't miss Jadeja too much. However, if Axar doesn't make the runs, the tail becomes very long, and so that's the only questionmark present.

The point with Kuldeep's selection is that if there's spin, I'd say he can rip through the opposition quite well. However, being a wrist spinner, he won't offer you the same amount of control as someone like Ashwin will, so expect him to maybe go at 3.7 or 4 RPO.

Either option could really work, but I just felt like Shahbaz Nadeem's finger spin wasn't really threatening at all to the English batsmen, and a chinaman like Kuldeep brings more variety and attacking options into play.

Ideally yes... But did you see our batting?

Shaky as hell.

Remove sundar's runs and the first test would have been an embarassment.

Moreover sundar looks like a proper bat and seems to handle pressure very well.

Thats why he is undroppable in the current context.

Right now we have rohit and rahane who are complete liabilities in the team. They may score but there are serikus concerns.

No jaddu.

Kohli is iffy to be honest.

Batting has been an issue for quite a while now.

Even in Aus, we were more worried abiut batting than bowling.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Rank turners are not any fairer. The team batting first has a huge advantage. Good cricketing wickets do not offer any type of player an undues advantage over the others.

A fair pitch takes out the impact of toss as much as possible.

If we are talking about equal support for pacers and spinners, thats a different topic.

Every country will offer advantage to one type of bowler.

Ideally the perfect wicket will have something for everyone while eliminating impact of toss.

If theres a pitch that favors seam or spin or bounce but it favours both sides regardless of the toss... It would be a fair pitch in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Robert]

I'd expect the following team:

Burns
Sibley
Lawrence
Root
Stokes
Pope
Foakes
Bess
Archer
Broad
Leach

There is perhaps an argument to play Moeen Ali instead of Lawrence, but I won't make that decision myself. It would have been handy if England had Rashid in the squad though.

Archer is out. Bring in Jimmy instead. I’m inclined to have Moeen in for Bess who bowled 17 full tosses at Chennai.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Hope this rank turner back fires on india. Clearly they dont think they can beat england on a fair pitch. Rank turner will just help englands spinners again so india better improve there batting.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Archer is out. Bring in Jimmy instead. I’m inclined to have Moeen in for Bess who bowled 17 full tosses at Chennai.

Moeen would be a gud choice probably get a 10 for on a rank turner vs India.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Hope this rank turner back fires on india. Clearly they dont think they can beat england on a fair pitch. Rank turner will just help englands spinners again so india better improve there batting.

Where does it say its a rank turner?

We are just speculating here.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Where does it say its a rank turner?

We are just speculating here.

Its happened numerous times before after india lose a test or captain complains. A wicket is produced that looks like one of the highways outside the ground.

 

[Canistani Hero]

I'd expect the following team:

Burns
Sibley
Lawrence
Root
Stokes
Pope
Foakes
Bess
Archer
Broad
Leach

There is perhaps an argument to play Moeen Ali instead of Lawrence, but I won't make that decision myself. It would have been handy if England had Rashid in the squad though.

Jimmy and Moeen for Jofra and Lawrence but the rest is spot on.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Its happened numerous times before after india lose a test or captain complains. A wicket is produced that looks like one of the highways outside the ground.

Ok go ahead and name the test match/series where this happened and we got a rank turner next.

Any examples in the last decade?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Ok go ahead and name the test match/series where this happened and we got a rank turner next.

Any examples in the last decade?

Dhoni called for pitches to favour spinners more vs england back in 2012 and it back fired in indias faces.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Dhoni called for pitches to favour spinners more vs england back in 2012 and it back fired in indias faces.

Haha yes. I knew you would bring tgat example.

You know what actually happened?

Dhoni ASKED for a rank turner in kolkata after losing in mumbai.

Kolkata curator asked him to get lost amd prepared a slow turner which india lost.

The game india desperately had to win next was a patta in nagpur.

You can cross verify this by Googling.

So that aint an example.

Any others?

 

[Amjid Javed]

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...mbai-test-against-india-to-level-series-20229

http://archive.indianexpress.com/ne...blames-spinners-for-mumbai-test-loss/1036454/

Theres ur evidence for india asking for spin tracks and getting mud slapped in there face.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...mbai-test-against-india-to-level-series-20229

http://archive.indianexpress.com/ne...blames-spinners-for-mumbai-test-loss/1036454/

Theres ur evidence for india asking for spin tracks and getting mud slapped in there face.

India asked.

India didnt get.

As i mentioned earlier.

Show me an example where India asked after losing a test and got one.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

India handsomely won the first test in Ahmedabad in that same series.

And it was a slow turner.

2nd test was mumbai. Where we got a rank turner.

Which we lost.

Third test Dhoni wanted another rank turner.

Was denied one.

We lost anyway.

Forgot that?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Haha yes. I knew you would bring tgat example.

You know what actually happened?

Dhoni ASKED for a rank turner in kolkata after losing in mumbai.

Kolkata curator asked him to get lost amd prepared a slow turner which india lost.

The game india desperately had to win next was a patta in nagpur.

You can cross verify this by Googling.

So that aint an example.

Any others?

Dhoni asked for a rank turner in mumbai and it backfired. Go check his after match interview on youtube. He blasted the pitch in ahmedabad and got what he asked for in mumbai.

https://youtu.be/epLADn6L2mQ

 

[Amjid Javed]

India handsomely won the first test in Ahmedabad in that same series.

And it was a slow turner.

2nd test was mumbai. Where we got a rank turner.

Which we lost.

Third test Dhoni wanted another rank turner.

Was denied one.

We lost anyway.

Forgot that?

Match 2 was a rank turner just like i said. Just proves my point dont ask for stupid pitches.

Going back even further back in time decade before i remember india losing a test to SA vs steyn and then 2nd test produced was a moon dust wicket. Happens quite often as i said, why limit to 1 decade lol.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Ghambhir calling for india to have rank turners back at home in 2012.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.es...india-says-gautam-gambhir-550433?platform=amp.

No harm in home advantage but at same time it makes game a lottery and gives opposition a bigger chance to.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Match 2 was a rank turner just like i said. Just proves my point dont ask for stupid pitches.

Going back even further back in time decade before i remember india losing a test to SA vs steyn and then 2nd test produced was a moon dust wicket. Happens quite often as i said, why limit to 1 decade lol.

The fundamental premise of our argument is when indian captains lose... They ask for tailor made pitches.

The game before mumbai... We won in ahmedabad 2012.

Dhoni wanted rank turners for all matches.

Got one in mumbai but never got another one again even in that series even tho he kept asking.

Why not?

Case in point Kolkata and the big furore that happened.

Post that, we have had rank turners here and there.. But not when captains whined... Or cos we lost.

Mumbai was a huge turner even in 2016 when all pitches were flat in the other tests.

Pre 2010 era... It was different.

90s era.. It was way different.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Ghambhir calling for india to have rank turners back at home in 2012.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.es...india-says-gautam-gambhir-550433?platform=amp.

No harm in home advantage but at same time it makes game a lottery and gives opposition a bigger chance to.

We are not debating whether indians asked for rank turner or not. Lol.

Of course we have asked.

But not cos we lost a game and needed strategic advantage like we did in 2004 series.

Atleast not in the last decade.

When we lost in 2012 mumbai, we were denied a rank turner in kolkata inspite of asking.

When we lost in pune 2017 turner, we still got a raging turner in bangalore, a dead pitch in ranchi and a pacy pitch in dharmashala.

 

[Amjid Javed]

India lost 1st test mainly because of scoreboard pressure. England had luxury of there spinners having plenty of runs to play with on day 3 and 4 so that helped get wickets. Day 5 yes a crumbling pitch did help.

Englands spinners i think wont fare aswell on fair pitches unless again england have big runs. Making rank turners will just help england as indias batting wont be as good on those wickets.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

India lost 1st test mainly because of scoreboard pressure. England had luxury of there spinners having plenty of runs to play with on day 3 and 4 so that helped get wickets. Day 5 yes a crumbling pitch did help.

Englands spinners i think wont fare aswell on fair pitches unless again england have big runs. Making rank turners will just help england as indias batting wont be as good on those wickets.

I agree.

I reckon Indian management just wants to make sure its not a flatty like first test where toss becomes crucial. Which is pretty much what the article is saying.

This could end up as a rank turner (unintended consequences), in which case, things can go either way.

The biggest issue is that a few years back (like in 2016), we would overcome losing tosses on flatties but right now, maybe the confidence aint quite there considering its been a long while since we played tests at home.

I am purely speculating.

 

[wrongun]

If India are taking this step because they think the first Test pitch was too flat- then it's a good move probably. Watching 600 play 400 isn't usually very entertaining.

But making significantly more turn isn't necessarily the best way for India to win. They have far better spinners than England. If they turn it into a real dustbowl then it makes average spinners look deadly (Michael Clarke 6-9) & equalises the spin battle down to mostly luck instead of skill.

They lost the last one due to an ATG performance by Jimmy Anderson. They probably needed more out of Ishant & Bumrah to keep them in the game so their spinners could finish it.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I think england have been smart enough to realize that india plays its best cricket when there mindset is aggressive. So i can see england trying to turn this series into attritional cricket instead. Usually this is how cricket in Asia is played, but india switched to a new aggresive mindset so whether they can switch back if required is the real question.

 

[Technics 1210]

Just saw the news. Huge blow for England.

Looks like Joe Root will have to pull off another 200 to stop India from leveling the series.

Huge blow? A far more experienced Stuart Broad is available to replace weakling Jofra.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Am still not sold on Rohit especially as test opener....maybe in the middle order or maybe he fires in this test....but he is a bit of a hit and miss and cant really attach solidity with him in red ball cric....that said, Kulli for nadeem is a given and massive toss up between Akshar and washi, I guess AP's the better bowler but Washi's shown in his limited appearences, he's one for the future. Lastly, India are good enough to defeat Eng on a fair pitch. Lets go easy on the same old tired perception of India preparing 'rank turners' and Bunsen etc, I guess 2015 SAF series onwards(and those wickets were a disgrace) , the odd one or two tests apart, our wickets have generally been sporting, and high-medium scoring ones with something in it for every trade of bowlers and the batsmen, if they really are good enough. All in all, the match will be exciting....Go Indiaaaa...

 

[Robert]

We are not debating whether indians asked for rank turner or not. Lol.

Of course we have asked.

But not cos we lost a game and needed strategic advantage like we did in 2004 series.

Atleast not in the last decade.

When we lost in 2012 mumbai, we were denied a rank turner in kolkata inspite of asking.

When we lost in pune 2017 turner, we still got a raging turner in bangalore, a dead pitch in ranchi and a pacy pitch in dharmashala.

Good info.

Everyone assumes England and India rig their wickets but I think they rarely get what they ask for.