Planning must start NOW for Pakistan's December 2019 Tests in Australia

[QalandarFan]

We have a Test series before that Australia one, so we can debut him there. I don't think anyone can eat him alive, he might knock over some Aussies though.

Mohammad Amir was very new when he toured Australia for the first time and took a 5fer in that series at the age of 18 against one of the strongest Australian batting lineups, he is still playing in our team.

Mohammad Amir had been performing superbly for 6+ months leading up to that Australia series. You can't compare Hasnain to Amir at that time who was seen as the second coming of Wasim by so many at that point. I'm sure you have forgotten what happened the last time in Australia Warner and Smith beat down on our bowling attack Sohail Khan and Imran Khan haven't been seen since and even Wahab has barely played since then. It would be immature to select a bowler due to their pace and only pace against Australia. It's not like they struggle against pace.

Plus that 5fer your talking about against Australia was largley due to the fact Australia was way ahead in the game and they were looking to accelerate. Amir went 0-100+ in the first innings. Further that was Australia of 1998-2003 that was the greatest team of all time. In 2010 their best and most in form player was Watson. Simon Katich, Nathan Hauritz, Brad Haddin, Micheal Clarke (at that time) were no world beaters. And even Ponting at the end of his career was in horrid form from 2009 onward. So that leaves Hussey and Watson only two guys who were in good form. Don't know how you can call that one of the strongest Aussie batting line-ups ever. Even Aussies would laugh at that statement.

Plus pitches even in 2010 were still ok for bowling in Australia at times you'd get pitches like the the green wicket in Sydney. Amir was selected for his ability to swing the bowl and his control. He had the ability to crank it up 145+ at the time but that's not the reason he was selected. Like I said you'd be foolish to select an 18 year this early in his career against Australia in Australia against guys like Warner and Smith.

Plus your out here talking about Hasnain like he's Shoaib Akthar give the kid some time to develop instead of throwing him under the bus right away against Australia. I'll take Wahab 140 with Reverse Swing and experience in Australia any day over a young raw pacer who can bowl phast bowls at 150 for a couple overs. Further you don't even know how long Hasnain can bowl 145+ for his average speed hasn't been different to Wahab in ODI's bowling 150 in a T20 and and Test match are much different. The average speed of Wahab wouldn't be much different too Hasnain in Tests. Even Wahab can crank it up above 150 if he's bowling a few overs.

 

[QalandarFan]

You can't see the difference, can you?

Azhar batted in Australia against a full strength bowling attack, where we will be playing now.

Abbas bowled in UAE on slow tracks with low bounce that favoured him, against a understrength batting lineup, where we will not be playing now.

You were the one talking about form right? What has Azhar done in SA and against Australia and NZ in UAE? Guys averaging 30 in the last 8 matches. You have to back a player to do well against a team he's done good against. Doesn't matter what players are playing.

 

[QalandarFan]

Don't understand why everyone is picking Azhar Ali and Imam-ul-Haq.

Azhar Ali has been poor in tests for a while now and was badly exposed in South Africa.

Imam hasn't done anything in Tests. He has a couple of big flaws in his technique: 1) He plants his foot across and ends up playing around it with his head falling to the side. 2) He puts himself in a poor position to play the short ball. The South Africans exposed these two flaws big time.

Our bowling isn't looking very good either. Abbas was unable to adjust for the extra bounce in South Africa and was rendered pretty ineffective. I had high hopes he will be able to do well in SA because of the lateral seam movement on offer. Australia doesn't offer that so I highly doubt he will succeed.

Amir has been bowling defensively and has just focused on keeping things quite and waiting for the wickets to come. Very rarely has he come up with a good attacking spell. He should have good stats in the end but unless he gets pumped up he won't produce a game changing performance.

Shaheen has the potential to take plenty of wickets in Australia but he still isn't ready. Hasn't learned to consistently swing the ball and cannot work a good line and length as of yet.

Hassan Ali has the tools to be a good strike bowler but it seems like he can't go more than 3 balls without doing something brainless.

Hasnain has some talent but has he ever bowled a spell in FC cricket? Same goes for Haris Rauf.

Overall we have a huge thrashing on the cards.

This, how do we even know he can bowl in a test match for long spells and keep up his pace. Plus even if he does start playing FC how can you ask someone to make their debut against Aus in Aus this early in their FC career. It will just shatter his confidence.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Mohammad Amir had been performing superbly for 6+ months leading up to that Australia series. You can't compare Hasnain to Amir at that time who was seen as the second coming of Wasim by so many at that point. I'm sure you have forgotten what happened the last time in Australia Warner and Smith beat down on our bowling attack Sohail Khan and Imran Khan haven't been seen since and even Wahab has barely played since then. It would be immature to select a bowler due to their pace and only pace against Australia. It's not like they struggle against pace.

Plus that 5fer your talking about against Australia was largley due to the fact Australia was way ahead in the game and they were looking to accelerate. Amir went 0-100+ in the first innings. Further that was Australia of 1998-2003 that was the greatest team of all time. In 2010 their best and most in form player was Watson. Simon Katich, Nathan Hauritz, Brad Haddin, Micheal Clarke (at that time) were no world beaters. And even Ponting at the end of his career was in horrid form from 2009 onward. So that leaves Hussey and Watson only two guys who were in good form. Don't know how you can call that one of the strongest Aussie batting line-ups ever. Even Aussies would laugh at that statement.

Plus pitches even in 2010 were still ok for bowling in Australia at times you'd get pitches like the the green wicket in Sydney. Amir was selected for his ability to swing the bowl and his control. He had the ability to crank it up 145+ at the time but that's not the reason he was selected. Like I said you'd be foolish to select an 18 year this early in his career against Australia in Australia against guys like Warner and Smith.

Plus your out here talking about Hasnain like he's Shoaib Akthar give the kid some time to develop instead of throwing him under the bus right away against Australia. I'll take Wahab 140 with Reverse Swing and experience in Australia any day over a young raw pacer who can bowl phast bowls at 150 for a couple overs. Further you don't even know how long Hasnain can bowl 145+ for his average speed hasn't been different to Wahab in ODI's bowling 150 in a T20 and and Test match are much different. The average speed of Wahab wouldn't be much different too Hasnain in Tests. Even Wahab can crank it up above 150 if he's bowling a few overs.

We still have 5 months of Test series and first class season, he can improve leaps and bounds during that time. Comparing Sohail khan, Imran Khan and Wahab Riaz to Mohammad Hasnain is hilarious to the say the least.

I don't care who was in form or not, it was still a good batting lineup compared to other teams and they were playing at their home.

That is what I am saying, we will debut him before that and see how he bowls. Not in Australia.

Wahab Riaz last time he played Test cricket was bowling around 135 Kph if you actually saw the match, with no reverse swing. He took 0 wickets in that match. He can't become Shoaib Akhter too and win us a match. It's better to take a risk and go with someone with immense potential like we did with Amir and Shaheen, he has greater chances of doing well then that phaasst bowler.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

You were the one talking about form right? What has Azhar done in SA and against Australia and NZ in UAE? Guys averaging 30 in the last 8 matches. You have to back a player to do well against a team he's done good against. Doesn't matter what players are playing.

You should try a player who has done well in similar conditions against the same opposition, not changing the conditions from desert to a mountain.

Otherwise, let's try Bilal Asif as the spinner.

 

[big_gamer007]

Pakistan always evens out whatever India achieves. 83 WC then Pakistan win in 92.
2007 WC Pakistan won in 2009
2013 CT Pakistan won in 2017

2011 WC Pakistan wins 2019 and then goes on to win series in Australia.

 

[QalandarFan]

We still have 5 months of Test series and first class season, he can improve leaps and bounds during that time. Comparing Sohail khan, Imran Khan and Wahab Riaz to Mohammad Hasnain is hilarious to the say the least.

I don't care who was in form or not, it was still a good batting lineup compared to other teams and they were playing at their home.

That is what I am saying, we will debut him before that and see how he bowls. Not in Australia.

Wahab Riaz last time he played Test cricket was bowling around 135 Kph if you actually saw the match, with no reverse swing. He took 0 wickets in that match. He can't become Shoaib Akhter too and win us a match. It's better to take a risk and go with someone with immense potential like we did with Amir and Shaheen, he has greater chances of doing well then that phaasst bowler.

Did I anywhere in my statement compare Hasnain to Sohail Khan, etc? I simply showed how having a bad series there can cause you to be dropped for an extended period of time.

If you "don't care" about facts then cool dude. The Aussie batting line-up was in shambles in 2010 and if we had a better fielding unit, captain and batting line-up we could of actually won some games. I've never seen Ponting so out of touch and the rest of the batsman apart from Hussey and Watson like I said were garbage Clarke was having a rough patch as well. If you "don't care" than there's no point in arguing with you since you want to go ahead and bring up a subject and call that Aussie team one of the greatest batting attacks Australia ever had and then go on to say I don't care if they were in form, lmao.

I did watch Wahab's last test match and I also understand that he flew in from England straight to UAE. Hence he struggled to adjust. Also have you been watching Wahab recently albeit in ODI's he's been getting the bowl to reverse and bowling at 90+ MPH consistently. Also Wahab has done well in Australia in the past he has a good bouncer and a good yorker. If he gets it reversing he is deadly dangerous and super hard to play. Thankfully you are not our cheif selector and they won't be stupid enough to ruin Hasnain's career by selecting him for a test series against Australia.

 

[QalandarFan]

You should try a player who has done well in similar conditions against the same opposition, not changing the conditions from desert to a mountain.

Otherwise, let's try Bilal Asif as the spinner.

Lmao Bilal Asif who had one fluke innings compared to Abbas who dominated the series and won us the second test. Ok bud I see there is no point in replying to you anymore ) )

 

[QalandarFan]

Pakistan always evens out whatever India achieves. 83 WC then Pakistan win in 92.
2007 WC Pakistan won in 2009
2013 CT Pakistan won in 2017

2011 WC Pakistan wins 2019 and then goes on to win series in Australia.

We will be playing a much tougher Aussie team I truly feel Smith and Warner make Australia's test team 5x stronger. If those guys are in form then oof. Smith is so hard to get out and if Warner is in the mood he can end the test match in a session. A lot will depend on if we can get those guys early and how well our bowling does in general.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Lmao Bilal Asif who had one fluke innings compared to Abbas who dominated the series and won us the second test. Ok bud I see there is no point in replying to you anymore ) )

Instead of answering the first point, you decided to talk about Bilal Asif. Can understand your cricketing knowledge.

 

[QalandarFan]

Instead of answering the first point, you decided to talk about Bilal Asif. Can understand your cricketing knowledge.

I've answered it multiple times don't see the point in writing the same thing once again. Your the one who brought up Bilal Asif too do you have short term memory loss or something? ) Dude you shouldn't be talking about cricketing knowledge after some of the stuff you've just said. "2010 Aussie batting attack was one of their best" "18 year old Mohammad Hasnain (No FC experience) will blow away some Australian batsman in Australia" Comparing 2010 Amir to Mohammad Hasnain. Saying Wahab can not maintain a high speed over a consistent period based on 1 test match.

Where's that ignore button?

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Did I anywhere in my statement compare Hasnain to Sohail Khan, etc? I simply showed how having a bad series there can cause you to be dropped for an extended period of time.

If you "don't care" about facts then cool dude. The Aussie batting line-up was in shambles in 2010 and if we had a better fielding unit, captain and batting line-up we could of actually won some games. I've never seen Ponting so out of touch and the rest of the batsman apart from Hussey and Watson like I said were garbage Clarke was having a rough patch as well. If you "don't care" than there's no point in arguing with you since you want to go ahead and bring up a subject and call that Aussie team one of the greatest batting attacks Australia ever had and then go on to say I don't care if they were in form, lmao.

I did watch Wahab's last test match and I also understand that he flew in from England straight to UAE. Hence he struggled to adjust. Also have you been watching Wahab recently albeit in ODI's he's been getting the bowl to reverse and bowling at 90+ MPH consistently. Also Wahab has done well in Australia in the past he has a good bouncer and a good yorker. If he gets it reversing he is deadly dangerous and super hard to play. Thankfully you are not our cheif selector and they won't be stupid enough to ruin Hasnain's career by selecting him for a test series against Australia.

I know perfectly what you meant to say, what I said is that not everyone is same and will be destroyed by Aussies as it is written on paper, try to understand that.

Getting tailender wickets on dry wickets with minimal reverse swing is same as getting that on flatter, smoother surfaces against World's best batsmen, I am also glad you have nothing do with Pakistan cricket, albeit you are just like them favoring seniors who have done nothing good for us, but you are even incompetent than our current selectors with that zero sense.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

I've answered it multiple times don't see the point in writing the same thing once again. Your the one who brought up Bilal Asif too do you have short term memory loss or something? ) Dude you shouldn't be talking about cricketing knowledge after some of the stuff you've just said. "2010 Aussie batting attack was one of their best" "18 year old Mohammad Hasnain (No FC experience) will blow away some Australian batsman in Australia" Comparing 2010 Amir to Mohammad Hasnain. Saying Wahab can not maintain a high speed over a consistent period based on 1 test match.

Where's that ignore button?

You can't even understand a normal thing? Brain default I guess. When did I say I didn't brought Bilal Asif?

Yeah yeah, Wahab Riaz will blow away anyone.That one match was a summary of his last 2 years of Test cricket. Comparing one days to Test is stupidity.

First learn properly about cricket, before questioning someone else like a immature child.

Ignore button is right on your head printed on it.

 

[pratiktc]

Pak will likely lose 2-0 as usual unless something drastic happens and both Warner + Smith are again unavailable.

I think Pakistan should be reasonably pleased if they manage to stretch the series to 8 full days of Test cricket

 

[Zhasan]

Imam should be the first one discarded, he'll be eaten alive by Aussie pace battery.

 

[Mercurial]

Abbas and Shaheen must be locked. We need to select Nawaz and Shadab as our spinners, as both can bat too. Yasir needs to go. Hammad or Fahim or Yamin must bat at 6. Rizwan should be the keeper and captain. Fawad Alam must be picked.

 

[big_gamer007]

After the biggest tournament of cricketing world, the world cup they will start focusing on this series. Right now no one is even thinking about the test series till world cup going on.

 

[Markhor]

Abbas and Shaheen must be locked. We need to select Nawaz and Shadab as our spinners, as both can bat too. Yasir needs to go. Hammad or Fahim or Yamin must bat at 6. Rizwan should be the keeper and captain. Fawad Alam must be picked.

Agree on Fawad, Abbas and Shaheen. But how can you justify Faheem Ashraf batting at 6 given what we've seen of him with the bat in internationals ?

He is another one of these pseudo ARs we must dispose of.

India picked specialists for their tour down under last winter and it paid dividends.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Plan what you want they will get decimated in Australia.

We don't have the quality batsmen neither bowlers with experience on such tracks.

 

[Markhor]

One idea would be to use the Kookaburra ball in the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy this season.

We have so often struggled to take 20 wickets in Australia on those flat, true surfaces.

 

[Mercurial]

Agree on Fawad, Abbas and Shaheen. But how can you justify Faheem Ashraf batting at 6 given what we've seen of him with the bat in internationals ?

He is another one of these pseudo ARs we must dispose of.

India picked specialists for their tour down under last winter and it paid dividends.

His FC average is decent for an all rounder, so he will fare well in this format. Although I agree regarding the specialists thing as well. If we are gonna go with specialists, then I will select Fahim at 9, as a bowling all rounder, as he can bat. It will lengthen the batting order.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Whatever the result of this game, there has to be huge concerns over Pakistan's top-order batting. At the moment it seems that it's Babar or Haris or bust <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvAFG?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvAFG</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1145007558761074690?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 29, 2019</a></blockquote>
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