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1)warner > Mayank but Mayank is getting better
2) burns < Shaw or rohit. both are superior to burns. skill wise and in terms of talent
3) labuschagne < pujara. pujara is better at the moment. He also destroyed the aussie attack better than anyone else in the recent past. Labu has potential to be better though but he isn't there yet. Pujara is more proven.
4) smith > kohli. imo smith is slightly better but kohli turns it up a notch vs australia so I don't know who will emerge victorious here. I am sticking with smith for now.
5) Travis head < rahane. rahane is far superior. More gritty and tough. underrated player. Good overseas record. More proven
6) wade < vihari. vihari is very talented and will only get better. I would take vihari over wade and vihari can contribute with the ball too. Vihari is tough tenacious fighter like van der dussen.
7) kaptaan Paine < pant. Even out of form pant in my opinion is better. Paine the better keeper but pant is a far better batsman in test cricket. Contrary to what people believe, pant is more suited to play test cricket over odi.
8) Lyon = ashwin or jaddu. However in australian pitches Lyon is the better bowler. Ashwin and jaddu both can bat. I will still go with Lyon because he can take crucial wickets and usually decimates most teams in the second innings in Australian conditions.
so lyon> ashwin/jaddu.
9) Pattinson > ishant in australia. No doubt about this because he contributes with the bat too. However ishant has gotten better so it will be interesting to see how he performs in australia vs smith and warner this time.
10) hazelwood < shami. shami is brutal. shami has been ruthless for a while. His record over the past 4 years has been nothing short of phenomenal. He has improved leaps and bounds. I know who I would pick between the two and it's not hazelwood.
11) cummins = bumrah. Bumrah is the better bowler by a small margin. More lethal than any bowler in the world right now. Cummins can bat though and is around the same level as him.

This is very close but I think it's dead even in Australian conditions.

It all comes down to 3 things;

kohli vs smith
Lyon vs jaddu/ashwin
cummins vs bumrah

australia are also stupid enough to choose starc over Pattinson and that will be a big mistake.

I have total faith in bumrah though. if this man is back to his best post injury and bowls like he did vs australia in the previous tour, then australia are in trouble. Shami as well.

More importantly toss matters in australia. Whoever wins the toss has the advantage. The team that can negate the toss will win without a doubt.

It's difficult to make a prediction but I am going with india winning the series again. 2-1.
 
1)warner > Mayank but Mayank is getting better
2) burns < Shaw or rohit. both are superior to burns. skill wise and in terms of talent
3) labuschagne < pujara. pujara is better at the moment. He also destroyed the aussie attack better than anyone else in the recent past. Labu has potential to be better though but he isn't there yet. Pujara is more proven.
4) smith > kohli. imo smith is slightly better but kohli turns it up a notch vs australia so I don't know who will emerge victorious here. I am sticking with smith for now.
5) Travis head < rahane. rahane is far superior. More gritty and tough. underrated player. Good overseas record. More proven
6) wade < vihari. vihari is very talented and will only get better. I would take vihari over wade and vihari can contribute with the ball too. Vihari is tough tenacious fighter like van der dussen.
7) kaptaan Paine < pant. Even out of form pant in my opinion is better. Paine the better keeper but pant is a far better batsman in test cricket. Contrary to what people believe, pant is more suited to play test cricket over odi.
8) Lyon = ashwin or jaddu. However in australian pitches Lyon is the better bowler. Ashwin and jaddu both can bat. I will still go with Lyon because he can take crucial wickets and usually decimates most teams in the second innings in Australian conditions.
so lyon> ashwin/jaddu.
9) Pattinson > ishant in australia. No doubt about this because he contributes with the bat too. However ishant has gotten better so it will be interesting to see how he performs in australia vs smith and warner this time.
10) hazelwood < shami. shami is brutal. shami has been ruthless for a while. His record over the past 4 years has been nothing short of phenomenal. He has improved leaps and bounds. I know who I would pick between the two and it's not hazelwood.
11) cummins = bumrah. Bumrah is the better bowler by a small margin. More lethal than any bowler in the world right now. Cummins can bat though and is around the same level as him.

This is very close but I think it's dead even in Australian conditions.

It all comes down to 3 things;

kohli vs smith
Lyon vs jaddu/ashwin
cummins vs bumrah

australia are also stupid enough to choose starc over Pattinson and that will be a big mistake.

I have total faith in bumrah though. if this man is back to his best post injury and bowls like he did vs australia in the previous tour, then australia are in trouble. Shami as well.

More importantly toss matters in australia. Whoever wins the toss has the advantage. The team that can negate the toss will win without a doubt.

It's difficult to make a prediction but I am going with india winning the series again. 2-1.

A full strength Australia will blitz Any team in Australia, India bar kohli pujara have a average batting line up compared to previous batting line ups they had
 
A full strength Australia will blitz Any team in Australia, India bar kohli pujara have a average batting line up compared to previous batting line ups they had

honestly both batting lineups are pretty even. India have a beast in Mayank now. India will also bring in Shaw. 2 great solid openers. It won't be easy for australia. They have every bit of talent to be as good as their predecessors. They are finally given the opportunity to prove it. People are going to be surprised. Remember Mayank debuted vs australia and smashed cummins plus starc around in his very first test.
 
Wrong comparisons, it doesn't work like that. You are comparing player to player without taking into consideration the conditions.

Australia at home will have many players better than India I'm Australia.

Your comparisons are based on overall career and ability.

Even then it will be a good series, should be close fought
 
Wrong comparisons, it doesn't work like that. You are comparing player to player without taking into consideration the conditions.

Australia at home will have many players better than India I'm Australia.

Your comparisons are based on overall career and ability.

Even then it will be a good series, should be close fought

but pant, Mayank, rahane and pujara have all proven to be good in Australian conditions though. Even vihari batted well. had solid defense even though he was pushed up to open.
 
Australia v India next year will be series for the ages

I hope both sides go in with their full strength side and have no one missing
 
but pant, Mayank, rahane and pujara have all proven to be good in Australian conditions though. Even vihari batted well. had solid defense even though he was pushed up to open.

It all depends on conditions. On some pitches some players will be better on other pitches others. Not all Aussie pitches are same.

It's just impossible to compare player like to like in this way. A lot of factors come into picture. End of the day the most important thing will be the current form players are in.

For India to win bowlers need to carry on their 2019 form till 2020, that's the most important thing.
 
It all depends on conditions. On some pitches some players will be better on other pitches others. Not all Aussie pitches are same.

It's just impossible to compare player like to like in this way. A lot of factors come into picture. End of the day the most important thing will be the current form players are in.

For India to win bowlers need to carry on their 2019 form till 2020, that's the most important thing.

I agree but in australia pitches generally are flat and bouncy. So batting imo is important as well. If you can bat long enough and wear out your opposition there is a good chance your team will win. Dare I say batting lineup is more important than the bowling?

in saying that both teams have phenomenal bowlers so taking 20 wickets shouldn't be an issue however I do think 350 ish will be a high score in this series.
 
Batters:
Agrawal is the best opener from both teams. However, if kohli persists with flat track bully rohit or rookie shaw, this will guarantee a wicket after 5 overs every match. Iyer should be tried instead

Smith and labu are slightly better than kohli and pujara

Pant and vihari are better than wade and travis. I think head is not that good of a batsman, mitch marsh is hated, but his bowling is very much needed to give the quicks a rest and is also proven with the bat. mitch won aus the 1st game in south africa with his 90 odd in 1st innings 2 years ago. Also took 7 wickets in the final ashes test, more then any of the aus . bowlers.

Paine is a very average batsman, pant is miles ahead

Bowlers:

Bumrah is the most lethal bowler in the world and more dangerous than cummins. he outbolwed all aussie bowlers last year comfortably

Hazlewood is incredibly overrated, I hope pattinson permenantly replaces him, and if pattinson gets injured, jhye richardson should come. Shami has improed alot, he has been pretty unlucky at times

I think Ishant sharma should be compared to hazlewood, not pattinson. Ishant is very underrated, Pattinson has the hand over him though

Starc can either be lethal, or be garbage and win the game for the opposition with his wayward bowling
It will depend what form starc is in

Lyon is the default favorite spinner, but ashwin was really good in the first match last year and should not be underestimated. ashwin has dramatically improved his overseas performances in 2018

Conclusion

Aus are reliant on smith and labu, they have a weak middle order.
Both bowling line ups are world class
But I think Ishant , bumrah and shami are consistently tight, more consistent than hazlewood and starc

Aus last time had very a weak top order in finch, harris and khawaja, that was bound to fail.
Not sure if wade, travis or mitch marsh trump indias middle order

India will win most likely, their bowling is much more lethal, Their ability to bowl in flat pitches is better than that of the aussie bowlers
 
If Starc, Cummins, Pattinson, Hazlewood, Lyon and co are all fit and ready, then india lose as they always have done but once.
 
Batters:
Agrawal is the best opener from both teams. However, if kohli persists with flat track bully rohit or rookie shaw, this will guarantee a wicket after 5 overs every match. Iyer should be tried instead

Smith and labu are slightly better than kohli and pujara

Pant and vihari are better than wade and travis. I think head is not that good of a batsman, mitch marsh is hated, but his bowling is very much needed to give the quicks a rest and is also proven with the bat. mitch won aus the 1st game in south africa with his 90 odd in 1st innings 2 years ago. Also took 7 wickets in the final ashes test, more then any of the aus . bowlers.

Paine is a very average batsman, pant is miles ahead

Bowlers:

Bumrah is the most lethal bowler in the world and more dangerous than cummins. he outbolwed all aussie bowlers last year comfortably

Hazlewood is incredibly overrated, I hope pattinson permenantly replaces him, and if pattinson gets injured, jhye richardson should come. Shami has improed alot, he has been pretty unlucky at times

I think Ishant sharma should be compared to hazlewood, not pattinson. Ishant is very underrated, Pattinson has the hand over him though

Starc can either be lethal, or be garbage and win the game for the opposition with his wayward bowling
It will depend what form starc is in

Lyon is the default favorite spinner, but ashwin was really good in the first match last year and should not be underestimated. ashwin has dramatically improved his overseas performances in 2018

Conclusion

Aus are reliant on smith and labu, they have a weak middle order.
Both bowling line ups are world class
But I think Ishant , bumrah and shami are consistently tight, more consistent than hazlewood and starc

Aus last time had very a weak top order in finch, harris and khawaja, that was bound to fail.
Not sure if wade, travis or mitch marsh trump indias middle order

India will win most likely, their bowling is much more lethal, Their ability to bowl in flat pitches is better than that of the aussie bowlers

Australia know how to bowl on their own conditions, from what I've seen of the wickets this year they are fast and bouncy even the normal road of the mcg
 
India's loss of Prithvi shaw was a big blow in the last series. He was in very good form in the tour game. I still don't think Rohit is a long term option to open the test. It should have been P. Shaw. Also vihari has issues against short stuffs. Not sure how many actually followed the last series. There were brutal exchanges of blows to body, kncukles, helmet. Pujara copped so many blows. He was relentless. Aussies were also floored , got hit many times. Australian pitches are true batting pitches. But if you are willing to bend your back you can extract something out of it. Ishant in a particular spell looked like sending someone to hospital any time. One of the most hostile exchange i have seen in a series. It is going to be even more hostile this time around. We have to see how the post surgery Bumrah bowls.
 
If Starc, Cummins, Pattinson, Hazlewood, Lyon and co are all fit and ready, then india lose as they always have done but once.

if bumrah is back to his best and shami is shami and ishant is at his optimal best as he has been for a while then australia is toast. Not to mention jaddu has improved alot in auatralia now.

India have the stronger fast bowling attack. aussies ave the better spinner but only just. It's quite even overall due to the smith factor.
 
Australia know how to bowl on their own conditions, from what I've seen of the wickets this year they are fast and bouncy even the normal road of the mcg

AUSTRALIA will regret it real bad if they prepare real bouncy wickets because india have good bowlers for bouncy tracks.

Australia should prepare absolute flat pattas and bat india out of the game like they did in 2014. Tire the bowlers out and take that energy away. Render them ineffective.

south africa were stupid enough to prepare proper dangerous bouncy tracks vs india in 2018 when they had devilliers, ngidi, steyn and rabada. They still lost. The two times they prepared green top that offers swing they won. Although toss and incompetent selections affected india in that particular series. That's no excuse for losing though. You play the opposition in front of you.
 
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What a prospect.
Too close to call right now. Will need to check again closer to game time.
I'm hoping bumrah doesn't come back the same bowler
 
I think Australia will be slight favourites. Last year it wasn't just the absence of Smith and Warner but the overall morale of the Aussie team would have been at an all time low. They seem like a very happy camp atm. Let's hope no injuries for either teams as this could be a cracker of series. I also agree that toss will be very important.
 
India's loss of Prithvi shaw was a big blow in the last series. He was in very good form in the tour game. I still don't think Rohit is a long term option to open the test. It should have been P. Shaw. Also vihari has issues against short stuffs. Not sure how many actually followed the last series. There were brutal exchanges of blows to body, kncukles, helmet. Pujara copped so many blows. He was relentless. Aussies were also floored , got hit many times. Australian pitches are true batting pitches. But if you are willing to bend your back you can extract something out of it. Ishant in a particular spell looked like sending someone to hospital any time. One of the most hostile exchange i have seen in a series. It is going to be even more hostile this time around. We have to see how the post surgery Bumrah bowls.

I will say this though. bumrah is key. If he is at his best, I have no doubt india will atleast draw the series. If He isn't what he is expected to be post injury, india will lose the series albeit in a competitive one. probably 2-1.
 
What a prospect.
Too close to call right now. Will need to check again closer to game time.
I'm hoping bumrah doesn't come back the same bowler

oooh c'mon Abdullah. Thought you were better than that. Most Indians wouldn't wish bad luck to the Pakistani star bowlers like naseem shah or shaheen.
 
AUSTRALIA will regret it real bad if they prepare real bouncy wickets because india have good bowlers for bouncy tracks.

Australia should prepare absolute flat pattas and bat india out of the game like they did in 2014. Tire the bowlers out and take that energy away. Render them ineffective.

south africa were stupid enough to prepare proper dangerous bouncy tracks vs india in 2018 when they had devilliers, ngidi, steyn and rabada. They still lost. The two times they prepared green top that offers swing they won. Although toss and incompetent selections affected india in that particular series. That's no excuse for losing though. You play the opposition in front of you.

My friend,on bouncy wickets Australian bats are gun players of vertical shots, biggest influence for the Australia team has been langer, they now look very strong, even in England this year on seam heavy conditions they looked very strong and we were very lucky to draw 2-2
 
AUSTRALIA will regret it real bad if they prepare real bouncy wickets because india have good bowlers for bouncy tracks.

Australia should prepare absolute flat pattas and bat india out of the game like they did in 2014. Tire the bowlers out and take that energy away. Render them ineffective.

south africa were stupid enough to prepare proper dangerous bouncy tracks vs india in 2018 when they had devilliers, ngidi, steyn and rabada. They still lost. The two times they prepared green top that offers swing they won. Although toss and incompetent selections affected india in that particular series. That's no excuse for losing though. You play the opposition in front of you.

Australian wickets are always going to be flat and bouncy. It gives chance to both batsmen and bowlers. If you weather the storm you can make it big. If you wilt early you could fold very quickly.
 
India's star 3 bowlers have been Ishant, Shami, Bumrah for the last few years. Expecting them to do over and over again will be harder as Umesh is not that effective with Kookaburra. India lacks bench strength in Test matches. New bowlers may take sometime to find their groove. Australia on the other hand has a reasonably good bench strength.
 
Alot will depend on venues picked. Aussies need to get the gabba and perth in, but at same time India will have confidence of winning last series. I think India will fancy drawing the series atleast.
 
Paine is definitely better than Pant. Paine doesn't consistently drop catches. Drop Warner, Smith or Labuschagne and they'll make you pay for it.
 
Alot will depend on venues picked. Aussies need to get the gabba and perth in, but at same time India will have confidence of winning last series. I think India will fancy drawing the series atleast.

It will be The Gabba, Adelaide, MCG, SCG. No space for Perth, they can have the Afghanistan test, though that match is bound to get cancelled.
 
Alot will depend on venues picked. Aussies need to get the gabba and perth in, but at same time India will have confidence of winning last series. I think India will fancy drawing the series atleast.

Yep that's the key, if they go with the traditional ashes schedule then India will find it tough, but np doubt potentially a mouth watering clash
 
Only problem is if Shami is over the hill.. fitness is must we are having only 4 bowlers.

But good thing is we hopefully won’t have Rohit and Mayank is good.
 
oooh c'mon Abdullah. Thought you were better than that. Most Indians wouldn't wish bad luck to the Pakistani star bowlers like naseem shah or shaheen.

Whatever gives or erodes competitive advantage.
I'm not hoping he gets injured- that's different.

He is injured as we speak- and some injuries you just don't come back the same from. I'm hoping it's one of those
 
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1)warner > Mayank but Mayank is getting better
2) burns < Shaw or rohit. both are superior to burns. skill wise and in terms of talent
3) labuschagne < pujara. pujara is better at the moment. He also destroyed the aussie attack better than anyone else in the recent past. Labu has potential to be better though but he isn't there yet. Pujara is more proven.
4) smith > kohli. imo smith is slightly better but kohli turns it up a notch vs australia so I don't know who will emerge victorious here. I am sticking with smith for now.
5) Travis head < rahane. rahane is far superior. More gritty and tough. underrated player. Good overseas record. More proven
6) wade < vihari. vihari is very talented and will only get better. I would take vihari over wade and vihari can contribute with the ball too. Vihari is tough tenacious fighter like van der dussen.
7) kaptaan Paine < pant. Even out of form pant in my opinion is better. Paine the better keeper but pant is a far better batsman in test cricket. Contrary to what people believe, pant is more suited to play test cricket over odi.
8) Lyon = ashwin or jaddu. However in australian pitches Lyon is the better bowler. Ashwin and jaddu both can bat. I will still go with Lyon because he can take crucial wickets and usually decimates most teams in the second innings in Australian conditions.
so lyon> ashwin/jaddu.
9) Pattinson > ishant in australia. No doubt about this because he contributes with the bat too. However ishant has gotten better so it will be interesting to see how he performs in australia vs smith and warner this time.
10) hazelwood < shami. shami is brutal. shami has been ruthless for a while. His record over the past 4 years has been nothing short of phenomenal. He has improved leaps and bounds. I know who I would pick between the two and it's not hazelwood.
11) cummins = bumrah. Bumrah is the better bowler by a small margin. More lethal than any bowler in the world right now. Cummins can bat though and is around the same level as him.

This is very close but I think it's dead even in Australian conditions.

It all comes down to 3 things;

kohli vs smith
Lyon vs jaddu/ashwin
cummins vs bumrah

australia are also stupid enough to choose starc over Pattinson and that will be a big mistake.

I have total faith in bumrah though. if this man is back to his best post injury and bowls like he did vs australia in the previous tour, then australia are in trouble. Shami as well.

More importantly toss matters in australia. Whoever wins the toss has the advantage. The team that can negate the toss will win without a doubt.

It's difficult to make a prediction but I am going with india winning the series again. 2-1.

Top post, very fair analysis.
 
In order to win in Aus our openers and and Rahane has to contribute and contribute heavily this time. We can't afford to carry half a dozen passengers like our last away season.
 
It will be The Gabba, Adelaide, MCG, SCG. No space for Perth, they can have the Afghanistan test, though that match is bound to get cancelled.

Paine took a dig at kohli last time saying india didnt want the gabba, but all mind games really which is good to see.
 
Only problem is if Shami is over the hill.. fitness is must we are having only 4 bowlers.

But good thing is we hopefully won’t have Rohit and Mayank is good.

This applies majority of the Indian attack, bar bumrah the rest are 30 or over, shami will be 30, ishant 32, yadav 33 Kumar 30, it's actually a ageing attack
 
This applies majority of the Indian attack, bar bumrah the rest are 30 or over, shami will be 30, ishant 32, yadav 33 Kumar 30, it's actually a ageing attack

Yeah Shami doesn't look 30 also plays all formats and Ishant is an year older than his actual age but plays only one format..
 
One of the biggest advantage that Australia has over Asian teams is their fielding. They rarely let down their fast bowlers. It gives them the confidence. Indian fast bowlers and spinners are badly being let down by their fielders.
 
India will lose by series defeats in every match.

Don't get surprise if India gets all out at scores of 121 and 96 vs the legendary Aussies quartet. Pattinson alone is enough. I am expecting Aussies to post a 500 total while India will be all out at scores of 121 and 96. So, an inning and 200 runs loss is coming for us.
 
At full strength, they will be an exceptionally difficult team to beat. Maybe if we win the first two tosses, we have a slight chance but that's it.
 
India will lose by series defeats in every match.

Don't get surprise if India gets all out at scores of 121 and 96 vs the legendary Aussies quartet. Pattinson alone is enough. I am expecting Aussies to post a 500 total while India will be all out at scores of 121 and 96. So, an inning and 200 runs loss is coming for us.

It's gonna be closer than that, they only beat you a year go in Australia
 
India will lose by series defeats in every match.

Don't get surprise if India gets all out at scores of 121 and 96 vs the legendary Aussies quartet. Pattinson alone is enough. I am expecting Aussies to post a 500 total while India will be all out at scores of 121 and 96. So, an inning and 200 runs loss is coming for us.

We won't get that bad. But i have rarely seen a side that dominates Australia twice in a row. Back in the 80s India had back to back drawn series in Australia. That is probably their two best consecutive success stories in Australia. England's last best two consecutive tours to Australia came in the 80s, Won and drawn. Since they have dominated England except in "Cook" series. Pakistan had two drawn series back to back in the 70s in Australia. West indies is an exception won 3 series in a row there before losing the next 5 in a row. If India wins or even draws it is a huge achievement.
 
At full strength, they will be an exceptionally difficult team to beat. Maybe if we win the first two tosses, we have a slight chance but that's it.

Yes true, even though you have a ageing attack it's still is quality, so that's your best bet to get in to an early
 
We won't get that bad. But i have rarely seen a side that dominates Australia twice in a row. Back in the 80s India had back to back drawn series in Australia. That is probably their two best consecutive success stories in Australia. England's last best two consecutive tours to Australia came in the 80s, Won and drawn. Since they have dominated England except in "Cook" series. Pakistan had two drawn series back to back in the 70s in Australia. West indies is an exception won 3 series in a row there before losing the next 5 in a row. If India wins or even draws it is a huge achievement.

South Africa have won 3 series in a row over there as well.
 
South Africa have won 3 series in a row over there as well.

Totally forgot them. They have drawn 3 series in a row. And won 3 in a row there. They are the biggest success story in Australia. But hardly surprising. Both pitches are bouncy. Both use Kookaburra.
 
Yes true, even though you have a ageing attack it's still is quality, so that's your best bet to get in to an early

Yes I think our test bowling will be nearing a transition of sorts this time next year but I won't give any excuses. NZ are actually a very good test side but they got bullied like orphaned kittens this tour. Australia in Australia is, currently, a nightmare for any visiting team. Way too much depth and quality in their conditions.
 
Yes I think our test bowling will be nearing a transition of sorts this time next year but I won't give any excuses. NZ are actually a very good test side but they got bullied like orphaned kittens this tour. Australia in Australia is, currently, a nightmare for any visiting team. Way too much depth and quality in their conditions.

They have an unique combo. If you look at those wickets they are very good batting wickets. But really good bowler can extract something out of it. It starts with the type of ball. I think NZ/SL use kookaburra balls as well. There is no excuse of them not doing well there. India uses SG balls, England uses Duke balls. In a match situation India hardly uses Kookaburra. So spinners are not that effective like Lyon. If Indian spinners come to the party it will be very interesting.
 
This applies majority of the Indian attack, bar bumrah the rest are 30 or over, shami will be 30, ishant 32, yadav 33 Kumar 30, it's actually a ageing attack

that is a major point, but that is for 2-3 years later

until next year , they should maintain their form

They are still more consistent then aussie attack
 
that is a major point, but that is for 2-3 years later

until next year , they should maintain their form

They are still more consistent then aussie attack

Not in the Aussie conditions, remember last time beat em there was sports going on is Aussie ranks, ball tampering saga, first major series after that, no Warner Smith, a ful strength Aussie side playing well are to strong at home
 
Not in the Aussie conditions, remember last time beat em there was sports going on is Aussie ranks, ball tampering saga, first major series after that, no Warner Smith, a ful strength Aussie side playing well are to strong at home

But how was that supposed to affect the bowlers? Even so, after 6-7 months, the impact of the ball tampering incident would have worn off. Especially for starc and hazlewood, who are experienced bowlers


If anybody should have been affected, it was cummins. But cummins took more wickets than starc and hazlewood.

starc is hit or miss, he can be brilliant or trash with the ball. and i dont rate hazlewood that much

Australia had the advantage of bowlng to a very weak eng side in ashes. And a new zealand side with very average batsmen. But they get thrashed by south africa and india,

If starc and hazlewood are still persisted with,
and england get olly stone, mark wood, even they have chance of winning the 2021 ashes in australia.
 
if bumrah is back to his best and shami is shami and ishant is at his optimal best as he has been for a while then australia is toast. Not to mention jaddu has improved alot in auatralia now.

India have the stronger fast bowling attack. aussies ave the better spinner but only just. It's quite even overall due to the smith factor.

Which is the optimum version of Sharma? He has supposedly grown huge amounts yet still averages 50 against Australia. His best series was last time out against a weakened side, how do you think he will magically do better?

I think Shami and BUmrah will do well (if fit) but do you seriously believe they will out perform Starc and Cummins?

No idea who Jaddu is, is that Jadeja? The same Jadeja with 2 matches down under and an on and off test career? This guy will make Australia "toast"?
 
India are the stronger overall team. I think Australia bowling is better but Indian bowlers are still quality, Indian as a batting unit are better as they can adjust to most conditions. They are evenly matched in the fielding departments.

It has the possibility to be 1 of the best series of the modern era. A potential Indian series would wrap up a golden era of test cricket for India, a win for Australia would probably be the start of the rise to the top of the test rankings. But both could meet a few months later in the test championship final.

A potential treat awaits cricket fans. As much as a I love the Australian team I fear India may edge it. But we will have a better judgement closer to the series.
 
But how was that supposed to affect the bowlers? Even so, after 6-7 months, the impact of the ball tampering incident would have worn off. Especially for starc and hazlewood, who are experienced bowlers


If anybody should have been affected, it was cummins. But cummins took more wickets than starc and hazlewood.

starc is hit or miss, he can be brilliant or trash with the ball. and i dont rate hazlewood that much

Australia had the advantage of bowlng to a very weak eng side in ashes. And a new zealand side with very average batsmen. But they get thrashed by south africa and india,

If starc and hazlewood are still persisted with,
and england get olly stone, mark wood, even they have chance of winning the 2021 ashes in australia.

Off course it impacted the bowlers, the Australian public were seething and once again the public and world eyes were on the Australian team
 
Time will tell though, but I feel Indian attack is ageing and their back up ain't strong as Australia, plus under langer Australia are more diciplined and ruthless
 
My friend,on bouncy wickets Australian bats are gun players of vertical shots, biggest influence for the Australia team has been langer, they now look very strong, even in England this year on seam heavy conditions they looked very strong and we were very lucky to draw 2-2

no bro. It's actually the opposite. Australia are very good in flat bouncy pattas. Not proper bouncy seaming tracks at all. Even in the past india has performed very well on extreme bouncy seaming tacks. It's a lottery really if you prepare true bouncy tracks vs india. Bad idea in my opinion.

I reckon just prepare pure batting pattas that offer bounce. Just bat and bat and bat india out of the game. That was aussies's strategy in 2014. Or prepare green tracks lol. India sucks vs swing. Well tbf toss matters even in swing conditions. That's why I feel flat bouncy pattas is the best way to beat india.
 
Whatever gives or erodes competitive advantage.
I'm not hoping he gets injured- that's different.

He is injured as we speak- and some injuries you just don't come back the same from. I'm hoping it's one of those

fair enough. But then there will be people saying bumrah wasn't at his best if india loses.
I just want both teams to be fully fit without any injuries. Let the best fight the best and see who emerges victorious. Hopefully both teams get equal amount of toss wins.
 
Totally forgot them. They have drawn 3 series in a row. And won 3 in a row there. They are the biggest success story in Australia. But hardly surprising. Both pitches are bouncy. Both use Kookaburra.

but they lost all the series at home lol to Australia except the 2017 one when Aussies cheated. So no difference really.
 
no bro. It's actually the opposite. Australia are very good in flat bouncy pattas. Not proper bouncy seaming tracks at all. Even in the past india has performed very well on extreme bouncy seaming tacks. It's a lottery really if you prepare true bouncy tracks vs india. Bad idea in my opinion.

I reckon just prepare pure batting pattas that offer bounce. Just bat and bat and bat india out of the game. That was aussies's strategy in 2014. Or prepare green tracks lol. India sucks vs swing. Well tbf toss matters even in swing conditions. That's why I feel flat bouncy pattas is the best way to beat india.

One of the reasons india are the best team is their ability to win on flat pitches.

So india are also upto that challenge.
 
Yes I think our test bowling will be nearing a transition of sorts this time next year but I won't give any excuses. NZ are actually a very good test side but they got bullied like orphaned kittens this tour. Australia in Australia is, currently, a nightmare for any visiting team. Way too much depth and quality in their conditions.

their depth is good but in saying that, take cummins out of the attack and it's nothing special. None of the I replacements can do what cummins does.

indi has ageing bowlers yes but when your fitness is at an elite level like the indian bowlers, age is just a number.

bumrah 26
shami 29 but probably 32? bowlers can bowl well till 35 with good fitness
ishant 30?
yadav 32
saini 26
bhuvi 29

I would take saini in as well. He is a good red ball bowler. bhuvi would be good to have as he can put pressure on the opposition with his economical effeciciency. He is also in his prime right now. Ishant and yadav only play test and a bit of IPL. Should be fine for fitness. Shami is my only concern.

yadav is a very strange one. He is exceptionally good with SG balls,bl but is not good enough wirh kookaburra balls for some reason.

Australia have
cummins 26
hazelwood 28
Pattinson 29
starc 29

jhye richardson if not injured
the rest aren't good enough yet. neser isn't quick enough. you have talents like summers and Meredith but they are just not good enough for test cricket at the moment.

Australian bowlers are in their prime. Thats true but Indian bowlers are extremely fit and probably the fittest in the world at the moment. It's pretty even overall.
 
Which is the optimum version of Sharma? He has supposedly grown huge amounts yet still averages 50 against Australia. His best series was last time out against a weakened side, how do you think he will magically do better?

I think Shami and BUmrah will do well (if fit) but do you seriously believe they will out perform Starc and Cummins?

No idea who Jaddu is, is that Jadeja? The same Jadeja with 2 matches down under and an on and off test career? This guy will make Australia "toast"?

ofcourse they will outperform starc and cummins. bumrah and shami are better bowlers. Do I seriously believe? rofl. 2 of the best bowlers in the world won't perform better than starc and cummins lol? wth.

jadeja is good but yea that's hit or miss. He has improved his batting.
 
1)warner > Mayank but Mayank is getting better
2) burns < Shaw or rohit. both are superior to burns. skill wise and in terms of talent
3) labuschagne < pujara. pujara is better at the moment. He also destroyed the aussie attack better than anyone else in the recent past. Labu has potential to be better though but he isn't there yet. Pujara is more proven.
4) smith > kohli. imo smith is slightly better but kohli turns it up a notch vs australia so I don't know who will emerge victorious here. I am sticking with smith for now.
5) Travis head < rahane. rahane is far superior. More gritty and tough. underrated player. Good overseas record. More proven
6) wade < vihari. vihari is very talented and will only get better. I would take vihari over wade and vihari can contribute with the ball too. Vihari is tough tenacious fighter like van der dussen.
7) kaptaan Paine < pant. Even out of form pant in my opinion is better. Paine the better keeper but pant is a far better batsman in test cricket. Contrary to what people believe, pant is more suited to play test cricket over odi.
8) Lyon = ashwin or jaddu. However in australian pitches Lyon is the better bowler. Ashwin and jaddu both can bat. I will still go with Lyon because he can take crucial wickets and usually decimates most teams in the second innings in Australian conditions.
so lyon> ashwin/jaddu.
9) Pattinson > ishant in australia. No doubt about this because he contributes with the bat too. However ishant has gotten better so it will be interesting to see how he performs in australia vs smith and warner this time.
10) hazelwood < shami. shami is brutal. shami has been ruthless for a while. His record over the past 4 years has been nothing short of phenomenal. He has improved leaps and bounds. I know who I would pick between the two and it's not hazelwood.
11) cummins = bumrah. Bumrah is the better bowler by a small margin. More lethal than any bowler in the world right now. Cummins can bat though and is around the same level as him.

This is very close but I think it's dead even in Australian conditions.

It all comes down to 3 things;

kohli vs smith
Lyon vs jaddu/ashwin
cummins vs bumrah

australia are also stupid enough to choose starc over Pattinson and that will be a big mistake.

I have total faith in bumrah though. if this man is back to his best post injury and bowls like he did vs australia in the previous tour, then australia are in trouble. Shami as well.

More importantly toss matters in australia. Whoever wins the toss has the advantage. The team that can negate the toss will win without a doubt.

It's difficult to make a prediction but I am going with india winning the series again. 2-1.

Paine > Pant for me, as his keeping is far superior.
Labuschagne has to be equal with Pujara, especially as that series is in a year
Lyon is always a major advantage for Australia, and will definitely do better than Ashwin/Jadeja for me

Australia's main issues are the No. 2 opener spot, with both Rohit and Agarwal being vastly superior to Burns, although it is unclear if Rohit can maintain his form overseas

Australia also has an issue with Wade. While I can see Head improving to the point where he is not a complete liability, Wade will really struggle. He is a fighter, but will be found out against high quality bowling
 
ofcourse they will outperform starc and cummins. bumrah and shami are better bowlers. Do I seriously believe? rofl. 2 of the best bowlers in the world won't perform better than starc and cummins lol? wth.

jadeja is good but yea that's hit or miss. He has improved his batting.

If Australia has any idea they won't select Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood and Pattinson are all better.

I struggle to believe Shami is better than Cummins, and Bumrah is probably equal for me. We will see however
 
India has some really good players, but for me neither India nor Australia are good enough to beat the other in home conditions. The Australian pace quartet is way more superior, especially in their own conditions. The only weak link in the Aussie setup is a couple of their batsmen who hopefully will not be around by the time India visits Australia.
 
India has some really good players, but for me neither India nor Australia are good enough to beat the other in home conditions. The Australian pace quartet is way more superior, especially in their own conditions. The only weak link in the Aussie setup is a couple of their batsmen who hopefully will not be around by the time India visits Australia.
no they aren't. Indian bowlers are better. infact the best unless they dramatically decline now. In Australian conditions it's still pretty close with the edge to Australia bit overall indian attack is superior.
 
Given how Australia was a bit circumspect against Kuldeep (he took a fifer) at the SCG, i think he will play ahead of both Ashwin/Jadeja. Wristies will enjoy the bounce there.

 
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OP, you are missing the point.

Cricket Australia learned from the heavy defeats of 2018, when Australia lost three Tests out of four - the other was a draw - by over 300 runs.

Both the balls and pitches have been doctored now to ensure that to win in Australia you need to be the team with the tallest, fastest bowlers.

Australia know that’s their strength, and have manipulated the conditions to emasculate every other type of bowling.
 
OP, you are missing the point.

Cricket Australia learned from the heavy defeats of 2018, when Australia lost three Tests out of four - the other was a draw - by over 300 runs.

Both the balls and pitches have been doctored now to ensure that to win in Australia you need to be the team with the tallest, fastest bowlers.

Australia know that’s their strength, and have manipulated the conditions to emasculate every other type of bowling.

Australia has lost , last 3 series in a row to SA

Morkel 17 6'5"
Steyn 17 5'10"
Philander 16 5'9"
Rabada 15 6'3"
Kyle Abbot 13.

Both tall and relatively shorter bowlers have taken wickets. Agarkar took 6 for 41 vs Australia at adelaide oval of all the place. He was like 5'7". That was ATG batting line up. Ishant had very poor returns for a long time despite being 6'4" and fast. Broad is by no means short. Averaging like 37 there. There are so many fallacies in your "height" theory. Good bowler is a good bowler short or tall.
 
Paine is definitely better than Pant. Paine doesn't consistently drop catches. Drop Warner, Smith or Labuschagne and they'll make you pay for it.

they're comparing with their batting skill instead of their primary skill.. hope Saha will be there for backup options...
 
What a prospect.
Too close to call right now. Will need to check again closer to game time.
I'm hoping bumrah doesn't come back the same bowler

It will be hard to call even when close to game time because toss is a huge factor. Aus will simply run away with games if they win toss, but then Indians have rarely lost after winning tosses. So toss may be the decideing factor here. I think Aus has an edge if we ignore toss.
 
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Australia has lost , last 3 series in a row to SA

Morkel 17 6'5"
Steyn 17 5'10"
Philander 16 5'9"
Rabada 15 6'3"
Kyle Abbot 13.

Both tall and relatively shorter bowlers have taken wickets. Agarkar took 6 for 41 vs Australia at adelaide oval of all the place. He was like 5'7". That was ATG batting line up. Ishant had very poor returns for a long time despite being 6'4" and fast. Broad is by no means short. Averaging like 37 there. There are so many fallacies in your "height" theory. Good bowler is a good bowler short or tall.

You haven’t understood my post.

I’m saying that for everyone except South Africa - whose players are used to identical conditions - Cricket Australia has learned from the Home Defeat to India last year.

From now on, the pitches and balls in Australia are doctored so that the team with the tallest, fastest bowlers wins.

India had better find a couple more really tall quicks for 12 months from now, or like 2014-15 they won’t be able to bowl Australia out for less than 500.
 
Australia has lost , last 3 series in a row to SA

Morkel 17 6'5"
Steyn 17 5'10"
Philander 16 5'9"
Rabada 15 6'3"
Kyle Abbot 13.

Both tall and relatively shorter bowlers have taken wickets. Agarkar took 6 for 41 vs Australia at adelaide oval of all the place. He was like 5'7". That was ATG batting line up. Ishant had very poor returns for a long time despite being 6'4" and fast. Broad is by no means short. Averaging like 37 there. There are so many fallacies in your "height" theory. Good bowler is a good bowler short or tall.

lol philander is not 5'9 haha. 5'11 probably. but yea I agree overall.

height shouldn't matter if you have the skillset to succeed.

Junaids is a good poster but his insistence on being tall to perform in australia is strange lol.
 
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ofcourse they will outperform starc and cummins. bumrah and shami are better bowlers. Do I seriously believe? rofl. 2 of the best bowlers in the world won't perform better than starc and cummins lol? wth.

jadeja is good but yea that's hit or miss. He has improved his batting.

You must be trolling if you think Bumrah and Shami are better than Starc and Cummins.
 
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You must be trolling if you think Bumrah and Shami are better than Starc and Cummins.

well they both outbowled starc and cummins last year. for some reason, everybody is ignoring that

starc-13 wickets avg 34 - 4 tests
cummins-14 wickets avg 27.8- 4 tests(that too because of his 6 fer in melbourne when india chose for aus not to follow on)

Bumrah . 21 wickets avg 17
Shami 16 wickets, avg 26

You could argue that indian bowlers bowled to weaker batsmen, like finch, harris, khawaja,
and aussie bowlers faced better quality batters in kohli pujara, rahane, but still.

thing with starc is that he is inconsistent, either he bowls seeds or bowls pies , leaking runs even in seaming conditions.this year he has been in good form, but all of 2018, starc was rubbish, as was hazlewood
so it depends on starc's form.

Cummins is quality no doubt, but he . does tend to get hammered on flat pitches. Bumrah, and shami have the ability to bowl well even on flat pitches
 
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lol philander is not 5'9 haha. 5'11 probably. but yea I agree overall.

height shouldn't matter if you have the skillset to succeed.

Junaids is a good poster but his insistence on being tall to perform in australia is strange lol.

Yes height is not the be all of a fast bowler I agree,
Marshall the best of examples
 
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