PM Imran Khan's fall, Shehbaz Sharif as PM - India's gain?

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This is Hot Mic and I'm Nidhi Razdan. Pakistan's Prime Minister Imran Khan is facing his biggest political crisis and he could be on his way out very soon. The opposition has come together in Pakistan and moved a no-confidence motion against Imran Khan in parliament, and it is a vote that he is very likely to lose. There are many factors working against Imran Khan this time. First of all, the opposition has come together like never before. To make things worse, about two dozen MPs of his own party are revolting against Imran Khan. And to make things even worse, the all-powerful army is apparently no longer backing Imran Khan.

Khan held a show of strength on Sunday in Islamabad, where he invoked the infamous foreign hand theory, claiming that foreign powers were involved in a conspiracy to topple his government. It's a refrain we've often heard South Asian leaders resorting to. In a marathon speech that lasted 90 minutes, Khan asserted that he has a letter as evidence to support his claims. So, how and why did the darling of the Pakistan army turn into a pariah for them?

When Imran Khan was elected in 2018, it was widely believed that it had been made possible with the help of Pakistan's powerful military. His party, the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf or the PTI won 155 out of a total of 342 seats in Pakistan's parliament, which is called the National Assembly. Imran Khan managed to get 179 MPs or members of the National Assembly to cross the majority mark. He secured the support of 24 MPs belonging to six different political parties. It's no secret that the Army and the ISI, that's the country's intelligence agency, call the shots in Pakistan, where democracy has largely been a sham for many decades.

No Pakistani Prime Minister has completed five years in office. When the former cricket captain took office, he made his good ties with the army a major selling point to the people, telling them that he could focus on governance because his government and the army were on the same page. And Imran Khan was more than happy for the army to take the lead on all key issues, whether it was domestic or foreign policy, while he happily played second fiddle in the background. But then Pakistan's economy got into trouble, major trouble, and the popularity of the government began to wane. His 2018 election campaign was largely about weeding out corruption and providing employment. But two years later, inflation had shot up to record highs at well over 12%, with prices of essential goods soaring through the roof. The Pakistani rupee has fallen to nearly half its value since Imran Khan became Prime Minister. Khan did try to soften that blow by reducing the prices of fuel and electricity but it has not been enough. Experts say the pandemic played its part over the last couple of years, but that the government's policies have been at the root of the country's economic mismanagement.

Imran Khan's own rhetoric has also caught up with him. In 2018, he said very boldly that he would not resort to external borrowing in an attempt to end Pakistan's cycle of debt. He accused previous governments of going to external agencies with what he called a "begging bowl". However, in 2019, as the economic crisis deepened, he had to eat his own words and strike a deal with the International Monetary Fund for a $6 billion bailout. A billion dollars was released by the IMF just last month. But perhaps Imran Khan's biggest mistake was to take on the powerful Army Chief, General Qamar Javed Bajwa.

Last year, General Bajwa decided to transfer a number of his top generals. But Imran Khan did not want the then ISI chief, Lt Gen. Faiz Hameed, to be moved out. General Hameed was once close to the Army chief, General Bajwa, but had fallen out with him after several controversies. For three weeks, Imran Khan refused to sign off on the appointment of the new ISI chief, Lieutenant General Nadeem Anjum. He did do it in the end but the trust with the military had broken down. This is what raised a red flag for the army, which in Pakistan does not approve of generals who build their own relationships with politicians. Within the army, there was a concern that Imran Khan would help General Hameed become Army Chief, while Hameed would help Imran Khan in his re-election run in 2023. Sensing that he had lost the crucial support of the army, this is when the opposition in Pakistan really got its act together and was emboldened to bring forward a no-confidence motion against him in the National Assembly on the 8th of March. Ironically, no civilian government in Pakistan has ever been removed through a confidence vote. India will be watching all these developments closely. Ties with Imran Khan have been cold, to say the least. The army calls the shots on India anyway and will always continue to do so. Whatever happens next is going to send Pakistan into a further spiral of chaos, instability and uncertainty.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/imr...transcript-2848853#pfrom=home-ndtv_topstories
 
India has nothing to gain from PM Khan's losing power. He is doing a great job of bringing Pak down by himself. I think the article touches on quite a of his successes in this direction.
 
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I don't think its makes much of a difference as the foreign policy towards India remains same irrespective of leader. Only active Pakistan's army chief can do that.
 
India does not have anything to gain or lose with change in government in Pakistan. It will be business as usual with lots of Tu Tu Main Main and few peace talk in between . Keeps all hardliners and peaceniks engaged on both sides with something to play for.
 
If Imran Khan Stays, India-Pak Ties Won't Improve' - Najam Sethi to NDTV

 
Wonderfully written article which beautifully explains the Imran tenure. 100 percent accurate
 
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Excellent interview by Karan Thapar of Najeem Sethi on Imran Khan
 
If Imran Khan Stays, India-Pak Ties Won't Improve' - Najam Sethi to NDTV


There’s a reason why Najam Sethi’s breath stinks of Nawaz Sharif’s toes.

Also, it’s not the Pakistani PM that says “ghar mein ghus k marengy”.
 
There’s a reason why Najam Sethi’s breath stinks of Nawaz Sharif’s toes.

Also, it’s not the Pakistani PM that says “ghar mein ghus k marengy”.

He is regarded as one of the premiere most political journalist in Pakistan. I know he goes over board with Imran but most of what he says is very logical and bipartisan. Infact he is one of the rare journalist who can call out a spade regardless of his political leanings. His stint as interim CM and PCB chief has been pretty decent inspite of Imran trying to malign him with allegations which were never attested.
 
He is regarded as one of the premiere most political journalist in Pakistan. I know he goes over board with Imran but most of what he says is very logical and bipartisan. Infact he is one of the rare journalist who can call out a spade regardless of his political leanings. His stint as interim CM and PCB chief has been pretty decent inspite of Imran trying to malign him with allegations which were never attested.

Can you share some of his articles where he’s criticised Nawaz Sharif, since you said “he can call out a spade regardless of his political leanings”.
 
You know Imran is doing something right when Indians really start talking trash about him, the corrupt bhagorey politicians all gang up on him and the corrupt western world that loves to manipulate third world countries into doing their bidding also want him out.

Thats the trifecta right there for Pakistanis and Imran seems to be hitting all the buttons right now.
 
You know Imran is doing something right when Indians really start talking trash about him, the corrupt bhagorey politicians all gang up on him and the corrupt western world that loves to manipulate third world countries into doing their bidding also want him out.

Thats the trifecta right there for Pakistanis and Imran seems to be hitting all the buttons right now.

well.... the opinion of common pakistani should matter more i guess than what neighbors think. If your presepctive of a pakistani pm depends upon what indians think, then it serves nothing as pakistani and doesn't necessary translate to patriotism.

They want pro pakistani pm (anti india is a bonus), NOT anti india pm (pro pakistan is not an option but must).
 
Can you share some of his articles where he’s criticised Nawaz Sharif, since you said “he can call out a spade regardless of his political leanings”.

He was jailed by Sharif back in 90s for calling out his government.
 
You know Imran is doing something right when Indians really start talking trash about him, the corrupt bhagorey politicians all gang up on him and the corrupt western world that loves to manipulate third world countries into doing their bidding also want him out.

Thats the trifecta right there for Pakistanis and Imran seems to be hitting all the buttons right now.

Its actually the other way around...it is Imran talks trash about Indian govt daily from his twitter feed. Indians more or less has nothing to do with Pakistan politics. I didn't even knew the name of the political party that Imran represents and only read about it in PP. So its nothing to do with Indians but you as a Pakistani need to decide whether he is right to lead your country. Is it not true that Pakistan's economy is at its lowest under him? Is it not true foreign affairs are a total mess under his reign? For all the blame you put on previous Pakistani PMs, is it not true that only under Imran Pakistan lost the autonomy of Kashmir?

If you think after all those Imran is the still the best to lead you country, fair enough. Indians more or less don't care as in India everything is perfect... 'Sab changa si'.
 
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Its actually the other way around...it is Imran talks trash about Indian govt daily from his twitter feed. Indians more or less has nothing to do with Pakistan politics. I didn't even knew the name of the political party that Imran represents and only read about it in PP. So its nothing to do with Indians but you as a Pakistani need to decide whether he is right to lead your country. Is it not true that Pakistan's economy is at its lowest under him? Is it not true foreign affairs are a total mess under his reign? For all the blame you put on previous Pakistani PMs, is it not true that only under Imran Pakistan lost the autonomy of Kashmir?

If you think after all those Imran is the still the best to lead you country, fair enough. Indians more or less don't care as in India everything is perfect... 'Sab changa si'.

We’re talking about the country as a whole, the Indian media will spend hours of their time talking about politics in Pakistan. You won’t find one media channel in Pakistan talking about BJP and all the other parties in India. You won’t see PTV/ARY with headlines like “GAME OVER FOR MODI”, if his party isn’t doing well in the by elections. You won’t see Pakistani news anchors make falls allegations about Indian or RAW (5th floor😉). You won’t see Pakistani news channels interviewing Modi’s estranged wife.😉

Indian media is obsessed with Pakistani politics, and when you see over exaggerated headlines on Republic TV then you know you’re doing something right.
 
India is de-linked from Pakistan. They are just enjoying the show. From a place no bilateral ties or relationship, it cannot get worse.
 
We’re talking about the country as a whole, the Indian media will spend hours of their time talking about politics in Pakistan. You won’t find one media channel in Pakistan talking about BJP and all the other parties in India. You won’t see PTV/ARY with headlines like “GAME OVER FOR MODI”, if his party isn’t doing well in the by elections. You won’t see Pakistani news anchors make falls allegations about Indian or RAW (5th floor😉). You won’t see Pakistani news channels interviewing Modi’s estranged wife.😉

Indian media is obsessed with Pakistani politics, and when you see over exaggerated headlines on Republic TV then you know you’re doing something right.

Not true actually. Plenty of Indian political content get discussed in Pakistani media. I rarely see a Pakistani article on economy, social stuff or business where there is no comparison with India( nothing sinister as most are used as reference) and that's only natural given the overall similarity in political landscape .
 
We’re talking about the country as a whole, the Indian media will spend hours of their time talking about politics in Pakistan. You won’t find one media channel in Pakistan talking about BJP and all the other parties in India. You won’t see PTV/ARY with headlines like “GAME OVER FOR MODI”, if his party isn’t doing well in the by elections. You won’t see Pakistani news anchors make falls allegations about Indian or RAW (5th floor��). You won’t see Pakistani news channels interviewing Modi’s estranged wife.��

Indian media is obsessed with Pakistani politics, and when you see over exaggerated headlines on Republic TV then you know you’re doing something right.

No confidence motion against neighbouring PM of a country which also happens to be an enemy state is a big news for us as it effects India. So obviously Indian media will cover it in depths. Other than any major events I have hardly seen Indian media cover daily Pakistan politics. Pakistani media also covers Indian politics when there is a big event like General election, Article 370 abrogation etc. So Indian media is not doing anything that Pak media don't. As I said, Pak internal politics has nothing to do with India neither it affect us anyway but who becomes Pak PM is a news that affects India just like Indian supremo does for Pakistan.
 
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well.... the opinion of common pakistani should matter more i guess than what neighbors think. If your presepctive of a pakistani pm depends upon what indians think, then it serves nothing as pakistani and doesn't necessary translate to patriotism.

They want pro pakistani pm (anti india is a bonus), NOT anti india pm (pro pakistan is not an option but must).

Just because I didn’t state it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter. Let’s not divert attention away from the fact that if Indians feel they have reason to talk and intently discuss a Pakistani PM who is democratically elected, obviously there is something there bothering them. They seem to be talking more about Imran than they are Modi these days.
 
You know Imran is doing something right when Indians really start talking trash about him, the corrupt bhagorey politicians all gang up on him and the corrupt western world that loves to manipulate third world countries into doing their bidding also want him out.

Thats the trifecta right there for Pakistanis and Imran seems to be hitting all the buttons right now.

In that logic Modi is the best leader lol
 
Just because I didn’t state it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter. Let’s not divert attention away from the fact that if Indians feel they have reason to talk and intently discuss a Pakistani PM who is democratically elected, obviously there is something there bothering them. They seem to be talking more about Imran than they are Modi these days.

It's purely on Imran though . He rarely gives a public address without bringing India , Indian government, Indian leaders and their policies, their approach etc. Right or wrong, he intends to draw Indian attention (maybe its just branding habit as has been the case since 2015), so it's natural that there will be interest on his government from Indian quarters.
 
We’re talking about the country as a whole, the Indian media will spend hours of their time talking about politics in Pakistan. You won’t find one media channel in Pakistan talking about BJP and all the other parties in India. You won’t see PTV/ARY with headlines like “GAME OVER FOR MODI”, if his party isn’t doing well in the by elections. You won’t see Pakistani news anchors make falls allegations about Indian or RAW (5th floor&#55357;&#56841;). You won’t see Pakistani news channels interviewing Modi’s estranged wife.&#55357;&#56841;

Indian media is obsessed with Pakistani politics, and when you see over exaggerated headlines on Republic TV then you know you’re doing something right.

To be honest, things like a no-confidence motion, military participation in politics, and claims of foreign involvement pique our interest. These things may be common in Pakistani politics, but they are rare in Indian politics.

Coming back to the subject, I believe Imran Khan has been very good for India. Imran handled India's removal of Article 370 and the recent firing of a missile by accident with great maturity. It's all good for us as long as he's limited to ranting on Twitter and not actually doing anything. :)
 
well there are polarizing figures everywhere so yeah in a way when Indians feel Modi is best for them or Americans feel Trump is best for America ( I happen to be an American Pakistani and I was a staunch critic of Trump and was glad when he lost) so it doesnt necessarily mean all the talk is positive. But when it comes from other quarters, yes you have to sit up and take attention.

Pakistanis love to bash Modi because of his past and his Kashmir policies and they stunts he pulled before elections to stir sh** up against us. Funny thing is most Indians refuse to see it.

Imran talks about him and India because of Kashmir because we consider its our territory. So without getting into the weeds, you see we do not directly talk about how internally Modi is handling India only how it pertains to our interests (Kashmir and the atrocities on Muslims in India)

But Indians seem genuinely interested in Pakistan's internal politics and Imran's ouster. So there is a visible difference in the attitudes there.
 
Just because I didn’t state it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter. Let’s not divert attention away from the fact that if Indians feel they have reason to talk and intently discuss a Pakistani PM who is democratically elected, obviously there is something there bothering them. They seem to be talking more about Imran than they are Modi these days.

Where?
 
Just because I didn’t state it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter. Let’s not divert attention away from the fact that if Indians feel they have reason to talk and intently discuss a Pakistani PM who is democratically elected, obviously there is something there bothering them. They seem to be talking more about Imran than they are Modi these days.

I think you view india in the same bracket as Pakistan. Firstly india has 1000s of private channels if not more. Every region has multiple media channels. There are so many channels that there isn’t enough breaking news. There are debates about Russia- Ukraine on every other Indian channel too. Are you really that surprised that something as spicy as entertaining as Pakistan political drama will be ignored lol. Also the panel is filled by Pakistani spokespersons and journalists who are enjoying the limelight to increase their followers on SM

Anyway I know it was just a snarky comment to rile people up but here is when it becomes effective, when you think it through. Free advice. No charge.
 
Political rise and fall in Pakistan govt has no bearing on India. What matters more is changes in the army-ISI-terror complex.
 
Has any Indian official Twitter account replied to Imran Khan? As far as I know he has been fully ignored

Its actually the other way around...it is Imran talks trash about Indian govt daily from his twitter feed. Indians more or less has nothing to do with Pakistan politics. I didn't even knew the name of the political party that Imran represents and only read about it in PP. So its nothing to do with Indians but you as a Pakistani need to decide whether he is right to lead your country. Is it not true that Pakistan's economy is at its lowest under him? Is it not true foreign affairs are a total mess under his reign? For all the blame you put on previous Pakistani PMs, is it not true that only under Imran Pakistan lost the autonomy of Kashmir?

If you think after all those Imran is the still the best to lead you country, fair enough. Indians more or less don't care as in India everything is perfect... 'Sab changa si'.
 
Political rise and fall in Pakistan govt has no bearing on India. What matters more is changes in the army-ISI-terror complex.

Modi didnt arrive in Lahore to hold hands with Nawaz Sharif for nothing.

Army will protect the country from military attack. But if India sees a corrupt politician in power, they can simply pay him to help with their propaganda.

Imran cannot be bought , he is nobody's slave. India would prefer any of the 3 stooges. Just check the Indian news channels doing Bhangra thinking IK is all but gone.
 
Modi didnt arrive in Lahore to hold hands with Nawaz Sharif for nothing.

Army will protect the country from military attack. But if India sees a corrupt politician in power, they can simply pay him to help with their propaganda.

Imran cannot be bought , he is nobody's slave. India would prefer any of the 3 stooges. Just check the Indian news channels doing Bhangra thinking IK is all but gone.

So brit Pakistanis wants IK.

native Pakistanis don't want IK.

Not sure who would be accurate in the judgement of performance of IK here.
 
So brit Pakistanis wants IK.

native Pakistanis don't want IK.

Not sure who would be accurate in the judgement of performance of IK here.

Native Pakistani’s don’t want IK? Have you been watching Republic TV by any chance?

Numbers of around 800K people came for jalsa recently in Islamabad. Compare it to the opposition march and you’ll see it’s nothing compared to the numbers IK has. But, I’m sure you’ll just ignore this and continue thinking that 2 people on this forum represent all of the “native Pakistani’s”.
 
To the OP, no not really.

Imran was never a threat to India, all he did was do all his damage against India on twitter.

India will be ok either way...
 
He is regarded as one of the premiere most political journalist in Pakistan. I know he goes over board with Imran but most of what he says is very logical and bipartisan. Infact he is one of the rare journalist who can call out a spade regardless of his political leanings. His stint as interim CM and PCB chief has been pretty decent inspite of Imran trying to malign him with allegations which were never attested.

You do know that he was appointed as PCB chief by NS government? In fact NS appointed him himself since PM appointments PCB chief. Go figure when it comes to him being neutral.
 
Native Pakistani’s don’t want IK? Have you been watching Republic TV by any chance?

Numbers of around 800K people came for jalsa recently in Islamabad. Compare it to the opposition march and you’ll see it’s nothing compared to the numbers IK has. But, I’m sure you’ll just ignore this and continue thinking that 2 people on this forum represent all of the “native Pakistani’s”.

Most of the support for IK is coming from brit Pakistanis here in PP. Are you stating that PP demography doesn't represent Pakistani mindset?
 
Most of the support for IK is coming from brit Pakistanis here in PP. Are you stating that PP demography doesn't represent Pakistani mindset?

Most of the overseas Indians on this forum are Modi supporters, would it be right for me to say that it looks like Indians living in India don’t want Modi because BVB is anti-bjp?
 
You do know that he was appointed as PCB chief by NS government? In fact NS appointed him himself since PM appointments PCB chief. Go figure when it comes to him being neutral.

Well that's the system in Pakistan. All PMs/ Leaders observe the same. The only differentiating factor then is on ground performance. I felt Sethi did his job well and moved out of his role without any fuss once the work was done.
 
Most of the overseas Indians on this forum are Modi supporters, would it be right for me to say that it looks like Indians living in India don’t want Modi because BVB is anti-bjp?
I don't know. It's basically your choice at the end of the day.
 
Pakistan needs a leader with vision. Someone who can de-radicalize Pakistani youth and make science and development as top priority. Imran khan is not that leader.
 
Modi didnt arrive in Lahore to hold hands with Nawaz Sharif for nothing.

Army will protect the country from military attack. But if India sees a corrupt politician in power, they can simply pay him to help with their propaganda.

Imran cannot be bought , he is nobody's slave. India would prefer any of the 3 stooges. Just check the Indian news channels doing Bhangra thinking IK is all but gone.

I dont think India (or atleast Modi govt) cares. Doesnt make any difference whatsoever and whosoever rules Pakistan. For the first time I see clear stand in India:
1. Kashmir (under India) is a closed issue - no discussions with Pakistan
2. Any terrorism/insurgency from Pakistan will be responded in kind.
3. Dont need any other relation (trade, culture etc) with Pakistan till it reconciles to this.
 
I dont think India (or atleast Modi govt) cares. Doesnt make any difference whatsoever and whosoever rules Pakistan. For the first time I see clear stand in India:
1. Kashmir (under India) is a closed issue - no discussions with Pakistan
2. Any terrorism/insurgency from Pakistan will be responded in kind.
3. Dont need any other relation (trade, culture etc) with Pakistan till it reconciles to this.

I would say the only advantage of having Imran Khan around is right now he seems to have a strong anti- America rhetoric.

USA right now is going easy on India despite the open leaning towards Russia,

Going by what Imran is saying if the new government is going to suck up to America and toe their line, then I am afraid that might potentially increase nuisance for us. Right now Kashmir issue is dead and buried, I don’t want USA to start meddling again in those affairs.

That’s probably the worst case scenario. Rest I agree,Imran or no Imran it won’t change the current climate between Ind-Pak for now.
 
Most of the overseas Indians on this forum are Modi supporters, would it be right for me to say that it looks like Indians living in India don’t want Modi because BVB is anti-bjp?

Modi has won full majority in the Indian parliament, TWICE consecutively. Only two PMs did it in the past Nehru and Indira. Modi isn't facing a NCV and if he does, he isn't losing it.

So this comparison is moot.
 
Most of the overseas Indians on this forum are Modi supporters, would it be right for me to say that it looks like Indians living in India don’t want Modi because BVB is anti-bjp?

Lol. Most popular leader amongst its population world over:
https://morningconsult.com/global-leader-approval/

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="tl" dir="ltr">Global Leader Approval: Among All Adults <a href="https://t.co/dQsNxouZWb">https://t.co/dQsNxouZWb</a> <br><br>Modi: 70% <br>López Obrador: 64% <br>Draghi: 63% <br>Merkel: 52% <br>Biden: 48% <br>Morrison: 48% <br>Trudeau: 45% <br>Johnson: 41% <br>Bolsonaro: 39% <br>Moon: 38% <br>Sánchez: 35% <br>Macron: 34% <br>Suga: 25% <br><br>*Updated 9/2/21 <a href="https://t.co/oMhOH3GLqY">pic.twitter.com/oMhOH3GLqY</a></p>— Morning Consult (@MorningConsult) <a href="https://twitter.com/MorningConsult/status/1434160822767456262?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Seems a lot of comment coming from India - what's the general feeling?
 
Seems a lot of comment coming from India - what's the general feeling?

I think if IK comes with majority, the backend channels that have been working with each should get enhanced with India, a complete majority PTI is better for South Asia and then two complete majority government la can HOPEFULLY talk to each other.

But don’t think official statements will come from India.
 
Seems a lot of comment coming from India - what's the general feeling?

That NCM should be decided on the floor of the house.

That if PTI members have illegally defected, they can be disqualified but the house must vote.
 
Will there be a change in Indo Pak relations with the removal of IK?
 
Will there be a change in Indo Pak relations with the removal of IK?

Pakistan's demand should be that India stop supporting cross-border terrorism before anything can move forward. However because NS has business interests in India that is unlikely to happen.
 
Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan was ousted from office in a no-confidence vote in parliament in the early hours of Sunday after three years and seven months in power.

A new government will be formed most likely under opposition leader Shehbaz Sharif, after parliament reconvenes on Monday to vote for a new prime minister.

The nation of more than 220 million people lies between Afghanistan to the west, China to the northeast and India to the east, making it of vital strategic importance.

Since coming to power in 2018, Khan's rhetoric has become more anti-American, and he expressed a desire to move closer to China and, recently, Russia -- including talks with President Vladimir Putin on Feb. 24, the day the invasion of Ukraine began.

At the same time, U.S. and Asian foreign policy experts said that Pakistan's powerful military has traditionally controlled foreign and defence policy, but Khan's sharp public rhetoric had an impact on a number of key relationships.

Here is what the upheaval, which comes as the economy is in deep trouble, means for countries closely involved in Pakistan:

Afghanistan

Ties between Pakistan's military intelligence agency and the Islamist Taliban have loosened in recent years.

Now that the Taliban are back in power in Afghanistan, and facing an economic and humanitarian crisis due to a lack of money and international isolation, Qatar is arguably their most important foreign partner.

"We (the United States) don't need Pakistan as a conduit to the Taliban. Qatar is definitely playing that role now," said Lisa Curtis, director of the Indo-Pacific Security Program at the Center for a New American Security think-tank.

Tensions have risen between the Taliban and Pakistan's military, which has lost several soldiers in attacks close to their mutual border. Pakistan wants the Taliban to do more to crack down on extremist groups and worries they will spread violence into Pakistan. That has begun to happen already.

Khan had been less critical of the Taliban over human rights than most foreign leaders.

China

Khan consistently emphasised China's positive role in Pakistan and in the world at large.

At the same time, the $60 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) which binds the neighbours together was actually conceptualised and launched under Pakistan's two established political parties, both of which are set to share power in the new government.

Potential successor Sharif, the younger brother of three-time former prime minister Nawaz Sharif, struck deals with China directly as leader of the eastern province of Punjab, and his reputation for getting major infrastructure projects off the ground while avoiding political grandstanding could in fact be music to Beijing's ears.

The nuclear-armed neighbours have fought three wars since independence in 1947, two of them over the Kashmir.

As with Afghanistan, it is Pakistan's military that controls policy in the sensitive area, and tensions along the de facto border there are at their lowest level since 2021, thanks to a ceasefire.

But there have been no formal diplomatic talks between the rivals for years because of deep distrust over a range of issues, including Khan's extreme criticism of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi for his handling of attacks on minority Muslims in India.

Karan Thapar, an Indian political commentator who has closely followed India-Pakistan ties, said the Pakistani military could put pressure on the new government in Islamabad to build on the successful ceasefire in Kashmir.

Pakistan's powerful army chief General Qamar Javed Bajwa said recently that his country was ready to move forward on Kashmir if India agrees.

The Sharif dynasty has been at the forefront of several dovish overtures towards India over the years.

United States

U.S.-based South Asia experts said that Pakistan's political crisis is unlikely to be a priority for President Joe Biden, who is grappling with the war in Ukraine, unless it led to mass unrest or rising tensions with India.

"We have so many other fish to fry," said Robin Raphel, a former assistant secretary of state for South Asia who is a senior associate with the Center for Strategic and International Studies think-tank.

With the Pakistani military maintaining its behind-the-scenes control of foreign and security policies, the change of government was not a major concern, according to some analysts.

"Since it's the military that calls the shots on the policies that the U.S. really cares about, i.e. Afghanistan, India and nuclear weapons, internal Pakistani political developments are largely irrelevant for the U.S.," said Curtis, who served as then-U.S. President Donald Trump's National Security Council senior director for South Asia.

She added that Khan's visit to Moscow had been a "disaster" in terms of U.S. relations, and that a new government in Islamabad could at least help mend ties "to some degree".

Khan has blamed the United States for the current political crisis, saying that Washington wanted him removed because of the recent Moscow trip. Washington denies any role.

NDTV
 
its an irony that, during his tenure, IK tried to inject himself in domestic affairs of other countries be it india or israel but in the end, he HAD to resort to some cable from some "foreign element" in order to keep himself in the PM seat which in the end didn't carry any meaning.

He should go back to twiter and start the war there (and keep it there). Politics is not his forte.
 
I'm sure the higher ups in the Indian government (PM, NSA etc) have always kept a hot phone ready with the Pakistan military chief who has once again proven to be the real power behind the PM throne in Pakistan. These Nawazs and Imrans are just popcorn in front of them.
 
As a person who doesn’t contribute a penny to Pakistan’s tax economy, I have no real say in what is best for the country


But I do admit, Pakistan is way better off as a nation being in good ties with its Neighbour India rather than being on war terms.

If IK’s ousting is going to improve ties, so be it.
 
News is that hafiz Saeed has been sentenced to 31 years in jail.

Did one individual really hold such significance for India? This isn't a B/Hollywood script where you can frame a bad guy as evil like in the great British James Bond spy films.
 
Definitely India's gain. Case in point is the reactions of the Indian posters here and how actively their media has shown the NCM proceedings. These guys are doing bhangra along with the pretend Pakistanis, so jubilent!
 
Don't think so. India has effectively de linked from Pakistan all possible connections. But if the establishment believes better times are possible, something could happen. But certainly India doesn't care about Pakistan. Pakistan is just good entertainment for them.
 
Don't think so. India has effectively de linked from Pakistan all possible connections. But if the establishment believes better times are possible, something could happen. But certainly India doesn't care about Pakistan. Pakistan is just good entertainment for them.

So India's impotance to the world is linked to Pakistan?
 
India-Pakistan ties wont improve till there is a government willing to talk in both countries. The BJP government has no desire to improve the relationship for the foreseeable future
 
Definitely India's gain. Case in point is the reactions of the Indian posters here and how actively their media has shown the NCM proceedings. These guys are doing bhangra along with the pretend Pakistanis, so jubilent!

Agreed...the Indian posters and media are finding it hard to hide their happiness.

The corrupt, the supporters/beneficiary of corruption and Hindutva supporters all coming together to celebrate.
 
Agreed...the Indian posters and media are finding it hard to hide their happiness.

The corrupt, the supporters/beneficiary of corruption and Hindutva supporters all coming together to celebrate.

Generations go by without a mard-e-mujahid as a leader in the Ummah. Can't even remember the last time we had one.

This is why they're all happy to see him go
 
Did one individual really hold such significance for India? This isn't a B/Hollywood script where you can frame a bad guy as evil like in the great British James Bond spy films.

He is the mastermind behind a number of terror attacks in India.
 
Its actually the other way around...it is Imran talks trash about Indian govt daily from his twitter feed. Indians more or less has nothing to do with Pakistan politics. I didn't even knew the name of the political party that Imran represents and only read about it in PP. So its nothing to do with Indians but you as a Pakistani need to decide whether he is right to lead your country. Is it not true that Pakistan's economy is at its lowest under him? Is it not true foreign affairs are a total mess under his reign? For all the blame you put on previous Pakistani PMs, is it not true that only under Imran Pakistan lost the autonomy of Kashmir?

If you think after all those Imran is the still the best to lead you country, fair enough. Indians more or less don't care as in India everything is perfect... 'Sab changa si'.

You are on a Pakistani cricket forum talking about Pakistani politics. That is what you call obsession. Says it all
 
Ok so Imran Khan's fall will lead to India's gain. Let's discuss how. Rishi's on the run in his doomed run for PM of the UK. This is from a Britisher perspective obviously, but how does that translate to India benefitting from IK's dismissal?
 
So India's impotance to the world is linked to Pakistan?

Say what ? I said India has effectively delinked from Pakistan ie there is no existing dependency or relationship. So whether Imran stays or goes has no bearing on India’s foreign policy.
 
One thing IK did before leaving is make it easy for the next govt to have a relationship with India. Had he gone out with an anti-India rhetoric, the new govt would have had problems making a move to better relations. With praising India, he has kind of made it easy for them. Will they take advantage of that is a whole new debate.
 
This is from a Britisher perspective obviously, but how does that translate to India benefitting from IK's dismissal?

You don’t have to stress your British identity again. At this point we have an idea I would think.

You are right it doesn’t benefit or harm India either ways if IK is in power or not. On the flip side, it’s an opening for Pakistan to better trade relationships with India.
 
Say what ? I said India has effectively delinked from Pakistan ie there is no existing dependency or relationship. So whether Imran stays or goes has no bearing on India’s foreign policy.

Read the post above, obviously it has a benefit to India my Pakistan beflagged friend.
 
Read the post above, obviously it has a benefit to India my Pakistan beflagged friend.

Well all countries weigh opportunities and risks. Politically it’s tough sell on both sides and rewards are not worth the risk at the moment. India is perhaps least important matter for Pakistan at the moment. And India has anyway delinked.
 
Pakistan's demand should be that India stop supporting cross-border terrorism before anything can move forward. However because NS has business interests in India that is unlikely to happen.

Any acknowledged proof of this? Name one Indian blacklisted/banned/sanctioned for terrorism in Pakistan. No what-abouts/global conspiracy/collusion etc.
 
Most of the overseas Indians on this forum are Modi supporters, would it be right for me to say that it looks like Indians living in India don’t want Modi because BVB is anti-bjp?

BJP wins 37% of the vote across the country which is comfortably enough to be the leader of a country but far, far away from having overhelming power over the various states. This is very different from Putin and Xi who by default have 90% vote share.

His party is extremely popular across the Hindi belt but far from conquering most of the states with other linguistic majorities.
 
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Regardless of what Indians say, it's pretty evident how happy they are to see the back of Imran khan. The media coverage on every major news channel and website extremely unusual. I remember the time of Nawaz Sharifs ouster there was no excitement in the Indian media.

Naturally, most Indians won't admit it as they don't want to show how uncomfortable they would get everytime Imran khan would take the stage in un general Assembly and several other forums. Imran khan also has a lot of support of the public which makes Indians uneasy. They can't see a competent, independent prime minister in Pakistan hence all the hate.
 
Not only Indians but the Chinese also seem to be happy seeing the back of IK..their official news are saying that Pak China relationship would be far better with Shahbaz Sharif as the PM than they were under IK..
 
Not only Indians but the Chinese also seem to be happy seeing the back of IK..their official news are saying that Pak China relationship would be far better with Shahbaz Sharif as the PM than they were under IK..

Any references for this news?
 
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