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PM Victor Orbán claims Hungary is last bastion against 'Islamisation' of Europe

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The prime minister of Hungary, Viktor Orbán, has ramped up his populist rhetoric ahead of April elections to claim that “dark clouds are gathering” and that his country is a last bastion in the fight against the “Islamisation” of Europe.

In his annual state of the nation speech, Orbán, who already appears set to win a third consecutive four-year term, made what are now familiar claims about his success in beating back threats to Hungary’s way of life from “Brussels, Berlin and Paris politicians”.

“We sent the muzzle back to Brussels and the leash back to the IMF,” he said early in his address on Sunday, praising the strength of the country’s economy.

The part of his speech which inevitably alighted on the threat of immigration will particularly concern Orbán’s many critics home and abroad.

He claimed the west had “opened the way for the decline of Christian culture and … Islamic expansion” while his administration had “prevented the Islamic world from flooding us from the south”.

Deploying a host of questionable statistics and apocalyptic visions, Orbán said: “We are those who think that Europe’s last hope is Christianity … If hundreds of millions of young people are allowed to move north, there will be enormous pressure on Europe. If all this continues, in the big cities of Europe there will be a Muslim majority.”

He said immigration was no more helpful for a country’s national development than influenza contributed to a human body’s health.

The rhetoric will strengthen the hand of those calling for Orbán’s rightwing populist party Fidesz to be ousted from the transnational European People’s party, of which Angela Merkel’s CDU is a member.

Orbán’s personal bete noire, the Hungarian-American financier and philanthropist George Soros, was also once again a target.

He accused Soros of having used his fortune not only to buy influence in Brussels and the west, but also at the UN. Further unspecified measures were floated as a response, building on legislation designed to crack down on foreign-funded organisations.

There was a conspiracy to create a “Homo sorosensus, the Soros type of man” that must be a rejected, he said.

“Hungary is not a country of troubled people, we understand that György Soros’s men were already in the UN,” Orbán told his audience at the Várkert Bazár, a restored neo-Renaissance building on the Danube, outside which hundreds of people protested.

Orbán pledged his government’s solidarity with “those western European people and leaders who want to save their country and their Christian culture”.

“We are waiting for the Italian elections, where Silvio Berlusconi can again occupy the government positions.”

Gyula Molnár, the president of the socialist MSZP, said of the speech: “It was the product of a medium-sized enterprise manager with some fake illusions.”

Fidesz has the support of more than 40% of decided voters in a country where the media is largely pliant and the opposition divided.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-last-bastion-against-islamisation-of-europe
 
Why do Muslims end up having trouble with everyone lmao
 
Why do Muslims end up having trouble with everyone lmao

Tbf in the case of Eastern Europe it goes way back to the middle ages with the rise of Ottoman empire. They didn't just jump the bandwagon like the rest these days.
 
I thought it was Russia or Poland? Lol at George Soros conspiracy theories. Russia and countries like Hungary more likely to be troublesome for Europe than the so called Islamisation of Europe. NY Times published an interesting article on this few days ago.

Here are some interesting quotes, I bet Russia is liking it.
Now Mr. Orban is directly challenging the countries that have long dominated the European bloc, predicting that 2018 will be “a year of great battles.” At home, he is pushing new legislation, this time to place financial penalties on civil society groups that help migrants. His domestic political standing is largely unchallenged, partly because of changes he has made to the electoral system; he is almost certain to win another term in April elections.

In the European Union’s political hierarchy, Mr. Orban has often been cast as an unruly outsider — a loud, populist voice peripheral to the mainstream, and peripheral to real power. But he is now possibly the bloc’s greatest political challenge. He is arguing that Europe’s postwar liberal consensus “is now at an end” — and his vision is being emulated in Poland, while his influence is felt elsewhere in Central and Eastern Europe.

Mr. Orban is emblematic of a strongman age. He has courted President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia and praised President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey. In 2016, he became the first Western leader to endorse the Republican presidential nominee, Donald J. Trump. Although Mr. Orban lacks the global profile of those leaders, what he is doing in Europe is seen as part of a broader decline of democracy in the world.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/10/world/europe/hungary-orban-democracy-far-right.html#click=https://t.co/CMx2P1SxX6
 
Eastern European countries hate on the middle east and Islam to try stay relevant in Europe, they know they have contributed nothing to western civilization so they think being white gives them brownie points.
 
Eastern European countries hate on the middle east and Islam to try stay relevant in Europe, they know they have contributed nothing to western civilization so they think being white gives them brownie points.

When it's Korea, you have a go at Koreans. When it's Eastern Europe, you train your guns at them. When it's India or Myanmar, you don't spare them either.

Ever considered the alternate scenario that Muslim immigrants or citizens may also be in the wrong, here in Hungary or elsewhere? I don't know much about the country but it takes two hands to clap.
 
When it's Korea, you have a go at Koreans. When it's Eastern Europe, you train your guns at them. When it's India or Myanmar, you don't spare them either.

Ever considered the alternate scenario that Muslim immigrants or citizens may also be in the wrong, here in Hungary or elsewhere? I don't know much about the country but it takes two hands to clap.

Muslim population of Hungary according to 2011 census is 0.056%.

Having worked with eastern European immigrants in England, they feel safer living in Muslim neighbourhoods.

Hungarian PM just following a worldwide trend
 
Muslim population of Hungary according to 2011 census is 0.056%.

Having worked with eastern European immigrants in England, they feel safer living in Muslim neighbourhoods.

Hungarian PM just following a worldwide trend

I don't think you would get a true picture of a country's domestic society from immigrants living in the UK.
 
When it's Korea, you have a go at Koreans. When it's Eastern Europe, you train your guns at them. When it's India or Myanmar, you don't spare them either.

Ever considered the alternate scenario that Muslim immigrants or citizens may also be in the wrong, here in Hungary or elsewhere? I don't know much about the country but it takes two hands to clap.


A bit of basic knowledge of world news would help you. Hungary was one of the nations which refugees, mainly from Syria used to cross into Europe. It hardly has any Muslim population and even the refugees want to move on and not stay. Eastern Europe has a lot of fascist mentality , the politicians feed of this for political again. Easter European nations are pretty backward as they dont have a multicultural society so dont understand people who look different to them are actually not that much different.
 
A bit of basic knowledge of world news would help you. Hungary was one of the nations which refugees, mainly from Syria used to cross into Europe. It hardly has any Muslim population and even the refugees want to move on and not stay. Eastern Europe has a lot of fascist mentality , the politicians feed of this for political again. Easter European nations are pretty backward as they dont have a multicultural society so dont understand people who look different to them are actually not that much different.

Fascists. Zionists. Islamophobes. It's an evil world out there. So which countries does that leave Muslims with, refugees or not? :

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That's strange! Just the other day the Danish PM was saying we have lost Europe to the Muslim's again! The WOT has been greatly damaging to Europe. It has opened to door to Muslim migrants like never before! Europe/UK probably would not have unconditionally supported America after 9/11 had they envisaged the consequences. Now it has become impossible to separate genuine asylum seekers escaping persecution from economic migrants. http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=165399
 
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Problem with every civilization, in every country, with every race. I hope some people try to judge themselves without getting biased.
 
Problem with every civilization, in every country, with every race. I hope some people try to judge themselves without getting biased.

No no don't you know the Eastern European countries are wannabes much like the South Koreans who are obsessed with double eyelid surgeries. And Australia - they are a second world country!
 
No no don't you know the Eastern European countries are wannabes much like the South Koreans who are obsessed with double eyelid surgeries. And Australia - they are a second world country!

I don't know much about Hungary, but never heard that they were a particularly successful country in the past couple of decades. Do you have any ideas as to their success previously which might have been impacted by influx of Muslim immigrants?
 
Islamisation of Europe can not be avoided. It is history repeating itself, only this time the media is the catalyst in the spreading of Islam in the West.
 
I don't know much about Hungary, but never heard that they were a particularly successful country in the past couple of decades. Do you have any ideas as to their success previously which might have been impacted by influx of Muslim immigrants?

From wiki:

Hungary is an OECD high-income mixed economy with very high human development index and skilled labour force with the 16th lowest income inequality in the world.

Any economy will start to sag by the influx of non-productive persons from Syria or Iraq regardless.
 
Any economy will start to sag by the influx of non-productive persons from Syria or Iraq regardless.

Hungary was an ex-communist nation not so long ago, it was the EU that dragged Hungary out of the dark ages through EU contributions. Hungary is an export driven country which means influx of immigrants makes squat difference.
 
Hungary was an ex-communist nation not so long ago, it was the EU that dragged Hungary out of the dark ages through EU contributions. Hungary is an export driven country which means influx of immigrants makes squat difference.

So how does that give the Muslim refugees a free pass to march into there? If they were skilled, there are legal means to enter Hungary with the requisite visas, etc. but these guys are hardly that.
 
So how does that give the Muslim refugees a free pass to march into there? If they were skilled, there are legal means to enter Hungary with the requisite visas, etc. but these guys are hardly that.

Germany allowed a million refugees, once in the EU, freedoms of movement means they can walk freely within the 28 nation bloc without checks and visas.
 
Germany allowed a million refugees, once in the EU, freedoms of movement means they can walk freely within the 28 nation bloc without checks and visas.

Sure, but the peoples in question don't seem to have transited via Germany - unless you can provide a source?
 
Hungary is not a well off country by the EU standards. Most of them works in germany and other nearby developed nations. And not to mention their language hungarian...it's terrible. Why would anyone want to migrate to that place unless one is from Syria?
 
Hungary is not a well off country by the EU standards. Most of them works in germany and other nearby developed nations. And not to mention their language hungarian...it's terrible. Why would anyone want to migrate to that place unless one is from Syria?

How does one arrive at that conclusion?
 
Noted. If Orban does what he says and changes the laws to stop the flood of refugees, it should be fair game since he has followed a democratic/constitutional process?

He is powerless. He cannot control the flood of refugees as long as refugees are in the EU due to Freedom of Movement. The only way he could is by holding a referendum on the membership of EU, and leave the EU. This way he can control the borders.

This is precisely why UK voted to leave the EU - the influx of Eastern Europeans to the UK. UK couldn't do anything whilst in the EU, so voted for Brexit. Once UK is out (2019), UK will have full control of its borders and will have complete control on who comes into the UK.

Needless to say but Merkel lost a lot of support with her decision to let in a million refugees from Syria/Iraq, but then it dawned upon people that if there was no war, refugees wouldn't have bothered migrating to Europe in the first place.
 
How does one arrive at that conclusion?

It's terrible from a tourist pov. I have been to their country once, Budapest. Even though there was a metro, traveling from one place to another was a real pain. Not many of them understand german too.This is how their signboards looks like.

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But tbf, budapest is really a beautiful place to visit.
 
It's terrible from a tourist pov. I have been to their country once, Budapest. Even though there was a metro, traveling from one place to another was a real pain. Not many of them understand german too.This is how their signboards looks like.

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But tbf, budapest is really a beautiful place to visit.
Do you blame them for promoting their own language? Their country , their rules. How does that make the language terrible?
 
Do you blame them for promoting their own language? Their country , their rules. How does that make the language terrible?

Hopefully they will move to leave the EU soon and then they can have their tinpot country and their rules all to themselves.
 
Do you blame them for promoting their own language? Their country , their rules. How does that make the language terrible?

I said it's terrible for me. I had a hard time there because of this hungarian.
 
Problem with every civilization, in every country, with every race. I hope some people try to judge themselves without getting biased.

Which is exactly why Muslims are the 2nd largest religious group in the world and Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.

Congrats Sir, you've just proved to everyone how legendary you are in terms of your analytical prowess.
 
How on earth did you arrive at this conclusion?

I used to be one for 24 years. Studied the religion extensively during the last 4-5 of those 24 years and was fairly observant in another lifetime so that's another few years of devotedly studying the religion.
 
Hopefully they will move to leave the EU soon and then they can have their tinpot country and their rules all to themselves.

This is what I was referring to earlier. If you are going to hurl potshots on every country depending on the headline of the day, which ones will you be left with? At which point it's prudent to suggest that the lowest common denominator among them all might be the problem instead - you.
 
This is what I was referring to earlier. If you are going to hurl potshots on every country depending on the headline of the day, which ones will you be left with? At which point it's prudent to suggest that the lowest common denominator among them all might be the problem instead - you.

I have no plans to go to Hungary so it won't be a problem for me. If you are talking about Muslims in general, then I am with you, if they are hurling potshots at Hungary, then it would be silly to want to go there. Although I didn't read about those people hurling potshots, seems that was the Hungarian PM who was hurling the potshots in the OP.
 
I used to be one for 24 years. Studied the religion extensively during the last 4-5 of those 24 years and was fairly observant in another lifetime so that's another few years of devotedly studying the religion.

So in what ways did you feel Islamic life virtually incompatible with the world?
 
Same playbook being used by right-wing Slovak and Czech politicians despite Muslims being less than 1% of the population there.
 
I think we could see the breakup of the eu in the future because the racist former soviet bloc countries will not buy into Eu project of open immigration multiculturalism like you see in Western European countries and they won't take in refugees .
 
This is what I was referring to earlier. If you are going to hurl potshots on every country depending on the headline of the day, which ones will you be left with? At which point it's prudent to suggest that the lowest common denominator among them all might be the problem instead - you.

Care to explain what the problem is specifically with Hungary? No point making up great theories if you cant explain them.
 
Care to explain what the problem is specifically with Hungary? No point making up great theories if you cant explain them.

It's not a great theory, really. Just a minor observation that you sook and whine at every country over time, which suggests that the problem is not with the diverse 194 countries out there, but with you. If you think otherwise, feel free to list 5 countries which you have no problems with. I asked this earlier, and you didn't answer, so this time I've helped you with one country already;

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Same playbook being used by right-wing Slovak and Czech politicians despite Muslims being less than 1% of the population there.

More tinpot countries that are probably relying on EU handouts to stay relevant in today's world. They can always leave the EU if they think they can prosper better on their own.
 
It's not a great theory, really. Just a minor observation that you sook and whine at every country over time, which suggests that the problem is not with the diverse 194 countries out there, but with you. If you think otherwise, feel free to list 5 countries which you have no problems with. I asked this earlier, and you didn't answer, so this time I've helped you with one country already;

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3. Papua new Guinea
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So you have no clue as to why Hungarian politicians stated this.

If you can prove your idiotic reasoning of these 190 countries, list them all, go ahead.
 
Well, Hungary was part of the Austro-Hungarian empire back in the day, which was considered to be one of the richest and powerful at the time. Still, these discriminatory comments are unacceptable.
 
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Any country that allows mass immigration without any checks is committing suicide.
 
Why do Muslims end up having trouble with everyone lmao

Blame it on the uneducated people who follow this religion, not to mention that Europe has become more secular and Islam honestly does not belong in the 21st century, it was good for its time.
 
Blame it on the uneducated people who follow this religion, not to mention that Europe has become more secular and Islam honestly does not belong in the 21st century, it was good for its time.

Uneducated? I can find you millions of educated Muslims plus thousands of educated reverted Muslims.

If you are going to go against large group of people with your ill and uneducated argument then do yourself a favor before you type it on a forum, educate yourself before you spit it out.
 
Uneducated? I can find you millions of educated Muslims plus thousands of educated reverted Muslims.

If you are going to go against large group of people with your ill and uneducated argument then do yourself a favor before you type it on a forum, educate yourself before you spit it out.

Mate, I said 'blame it on the uneducated people' those who follow a more violent version of this religion who cause terror for the good people in the world.

Every religion has educated members, most who are only there due to blind faith though because of their upbringing.
 
Mate, I said 'blame it on the uneducated people' those who follow a more violent version of this religion who cause terror for the good people in the world.

Every religion has educated members, most who are only there due to blind faith though because of their upbringing.

Billions of educated people who willingly follow their beliefs.

This point you’re keep presenting is probably the hollowest point.
 
Mate, I said 'blame it on the uneducated people' those who follow a more violent version of this religion who cause terror for the good people in the world.

Every religion has educated members, most who are only there due to blind faith though because of their upbringing.

The classic 'Atheists intelligent, Religious idiots' argument which makes China by far the most intelligent nation on the planet
 
So you Indians need to go back home then as accord to your own views :s

Huh??

Most of us Indians are here on legal visas and we obtained Permanent residency in West. We don't flood the West and demand freebies and impose our culture there.

If any person is there illegally, then the West has the right to deport them. Living in West is a privilege. Not a right.
 
Huh??

Most of us Indians are here on legal visas and we obtained Permanent residency in West. We don't flood the West and demand freebies and impose our culture there.

If any person is there illegally, then the West has the right to deport them. Living in West is a privilege. Not a right.

2nd biggest homless problem within the UK is the indian immigration, tend to live in the garages with fellow indians
 
Huh??

Most of us Indians are here on legal visas and we obtained Permanent residency in West. We don't flood the West and demand freebies and impose our culture there.

If any person is there illegally, then the West has the right to deport them. Living in West is a privilege. Not a right.

Have you got a complex? Privilige lol

No; there are many illegal Indians here in the UK. You do flood the west and impose your culture; there was a report recently stating how some Hindus stressed to the reserve bank of Australia to print beef free notes?!?! Plus, every organisation is flooded with incapable Indian IT workers who lack real knowledge.
 
Have you got a complex? Privilige lol

No; there are many illegal Indians here in the UK. You do flood the west and impose your culture; there was a report recently stating how some Hindus stressed to the reserve bank of Australia to print beef free notes?!?! Plus, every organisation is flooded with incapable Indian IT workers who lack real knowledge.

plenty of cases in London and Leicester where Indians have changed schooling and especially food served in schools and especially hospital
 
Have you got a complex? Privilige lol

No; there are many illegal Indians here in the UK. You do flood the west and impose your culture; there was a report recently stating how some Hindus stressed to the reserve bank of Australia to print beef free notes?!?! Plus, every organisation is flooded with incapable Indian IT workers who lack real knowledge.

Any illegal, be it Hindu or Muslim or Christian should be deported. Especially the ones causing trouble.

That organization which submitted a plea to Australian Govt should be ashamed and Aus should not bow down to anyone's demands.

When you are in Europe, you should accept their culture completely and not demand and impse your ways on them.

You seem to be soar. If there are too many Indian IT workers, then it is not an issue. They are all there on legal work permits.

Again, immigration and refugee status offered by West is a privilege. Not a right. The west should curb unchecked illegal immigration and deport all illegals irrespective of their country of origin. Europe and Americas are not their Baap ka Maal.
 
plenty of cases in London and Leicester where Indians have changed schooling and especially food served in schools and especially hospital

That is shameful to hear. If they don't like it, they should get food from their home. You cannot go to neighbors house and demand stuff of your choice.If they don't like it, they should move to their home country.
 
Huh??

Most of us Indians are here on legal visas and we obtained Permanent residency in West. We don't flood the West and demand freebies and impose our culture there.

If any person is there illegally, then the West has the right to deport them. Living in West is a privilege. Not a right.

Most immigrants from outside countries are in the west on legal visas. Obviously there has in recent years been a large increase in asylum seekers or refugees but that is in part due to wars which the west is directly involved in itself.

In the UK there are hundreds of illegal Indians stowed away in hidden areas, they come on student visas for fake colleges then disappear.
 
Most immigrants from outside countries are in the west on legal visas. Obviously there has in recent years been a large increase in asylum seekers or refugees but that is in part due to wars which the west is directly involved in itself.

In the UK there are hundreds of illegal Indians stowed away in hidden areas, they come on student visas for fake colleges then disappear.

There are slums in Southall full of illegal Indians. I wish them the best as theyre in a difficult situation and many are hooked on drugs. But don't appreciate Indians claiming they are righteous lol
 
Slovakia elects its first female President. She's a progressive and ran on an anti-corruption platform. Orban backed her opponent.

Hopefully the tide is now beginning to turn against these European fascist wannabes.
 
Oh don't worry us muslims dont want anything to do with Easten Europe. I'd rather move back to Pakistan. Time you Easten Europeans got out of our country the UK aswell. Thank God for Brexit.
 
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