Politics - Pakistani 2018 General Election and post-election discussion

[WebGuru]

General Elections are just a few months away and i guess it's time to start the discussion...

Please use this thread to post all the updates, surveys, polls, joining, performance etc related to GE 2018.

I will ask the mods to add an Opinion Poll to this thread later so posters will be able to vote for the parties...

 

[WebGuru]

Kamran Khan (not a pro PTI analyst) thinks PTI is getting strong every day and electable are lining up to join...

 

[Mian]

on most of the seats there are more than 1 candidate for PTI and one some even 3 and 4 candidates and that is going to really hurt PTI when angry candidates leave PTI just before elections for not getting the ticket specially the nazryati ones they cry so loud and we saw the zamanat zabat nazryatis coming on number 3 back in 2013.

But khan says this time they will ask all the candidates to take oath before they announce the tickets that they will not go against party decision.
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[Mian]

After membership campaign now PTI volunteers are organizing these voter awareness camps in different cities to educate people about how to register/transfer their vote. Good job PTI because we need more and more voters in the system to actually make any difference.

 

[babajee]

Would love to know your thoughts [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] on who has the best chance of winning the upcoming elections.

 

[Syed1]

Ayi Ayi PTI


Inshallah this is Imran's time.



Also I hope after he wins elections and takes oath as PM he steps down as PTI chairman and let someone else hold the reigns and mould the party for the next five years.

 

[iHammad]

Should we all get our hopes up again for Imran? Aren't the so called "Shers" going to easily win again?

 

[DeadBall]

Ayi Ayi PTI


Inshallah this is Imran's time.



Also I hope after he wins elections and takes oath as PM he steps down as PTI chairman and let someone else hold the reigns and mould the party for the next five years.

Who do you think can that be? Wouldn't matter though if he is calling the shots. Makes no sense in stepping down either then.

 

[Mian]

Who do you think can that be? Wouldn't matter though if he is calling the shots. Makes no sense in stepping down either then.

Asad Umar!

 

[Syed1]

Who do you think can that be? Wouldn't matter though if he is calling the shots. Makes no sense in stepping down either then.

The point is he stops calling the shots of party politics.... By 2023 Khan sahab will be in his 70s. Can't possibly keep being the chairman of PTI well past retirement age

 

[DeadBall]

The point is he stops calling the shots of party politics.... By 2023 Khan sahab will be in his 70s. Can't possibly keep being the chairman of PTI well past retirement age

Doesn't matter how old he is, he IS the party and will be calling the shots anyways. Would be good though if there were was a younger IK in the party, informative but without the somewhat dementia. Will take a defective IK over the current bunch of crooks though.

 

[Mian]

The point is he stops calling the shots of party politics.... By 2023 Khan sahab will be in his 70s. Can't possibly keep being the chairman of PTI well past retirement age

Fat Trump became President at the age of 71 so there is hope for super fit IK

 

[hussain.r97]

PTI tickets to be finalised on 4th May. Also, Imran Khan considering running from NA-243 Gulshan-e-Iqbal.

 

[Syed1]

PTI tickets to be finalised on 4th May. Also, Imran Khan considering running from NA-243 Gulshan-e-Iqbal.

I think PTI will enter Punjab with 22-25 seats from KPK in their bag. Of the 148 seats in Punjab if they manage to eek out say 60 and 10 from the 61 seats in Sindh. That puts them at about 95 seats. The independents that win from Fata and Baluchistan generally side with the party most likely to form government so that could be potentially another 20 seats. That brings them to about 115 seats. Still short of the 140 odd required to form government. I have also been quite liberal with my estimates because 60 seats from Punjab and 10 seats from Sindh seem difficult at this stage, but Allah maalik hai.

 

[Mian]

I think PTI will enter Punjab with 22-25 seats from KPK in their bag. Of the 148 seats in Punjab if they manage to eek out say 60 and 10 from the 61 seats in Sindh. That puts them at about 95 seats. The independents that win from Fata and Baluchistan generally side with the party most likely to form government so that could be potentially another 20 seats. That brings them to about 115 seats. Still short of the 140 odd required to form government. I have also been quite liberal with my estimates because 60 seats from Punjab and 10 seats from Sindh seem difficult at this stage, but Allah maalik hai.

PPP was really lucky in 2008 they ruled for 5 years with 90 odd seats! First PMLN supported them with 70 seats but later when PMLN moved to opposition than PMLQ supported PPP with their 40 odd seats seats and rest of the support came from ANP JUIF and MQM. PMLQ was given deputy PMship

 

[hussain.r97]

I think PTI will enter Punjab with 22-25 seats from KPK in their bag. Of the 148 seats in Punjab if they manage to eek out say 60 and 10 from the 61 seats in Sindh. That puts them at about 95 seats. The independents that win from Fata and Baluchistan generally side with the party most likely to form government so that could be potentially another 20 seats. That brings them to about 115 seats. Still short of the 140 odd required to form government. I have also been quite liberal with my estimates because 60 seats from Punjab and 10 seats from Sindh seem difficult at this stage, but Allah maalik hai.

From feedback on the ground from volunteers on the current situation, I will tell you my thoughts:

KPK - 22-25 seats
FATA - 4-6 seats
Islamabad - 2 seats
Balochistan - 1-2 seats
Sindh - 7 - 10 from Karachi; 4-5 from Sindh: 11-15 seats
Punjab - 50 seats

Total - approx. 90 - 100 seats (excluding women/minority seats)

Of course, the above estimates are before we have done any real campaigning. Right now, the teams are mainly working on getting people registered to vote. Starting from the 25th April, we will start all out campaigning. So hopefully, the above numbers will only go up.

Talked to some people in Balochistan who said Balochistan is mainly about electables, and the new party formed by defects of other parties will probably win. I think anyone who wins in Balochistan always goes with whoever forms government, so we can probably add about 7 seats from there, taking us to about 98-106 seats.

Then we have of course got independents, who join the winning party without fail, so add about 20 from there, taking us to 118 to 126 seats.

PTI are pretty close with PML-Q, so we can count on them for about 2 -3 seats I reckon, taking us up to around 120 - 129 seats.

If it turns out like this, we will need to form alliances with parties like PML-F, MQM/PSP to take us over the magic figure of 136.

 

[Mian]

Last time PTI choice of women on reserve seats was decent in Punjab (Mizzari and Munaza both competent and loyal to the party) but in KP they did blunders by giving seats to the likes of Mussarat Ahmadzeb and Gullai (both ditched party)

 

[hussain.r97]

In Karachi, PTI are mainly struggling in all the seats in District Korangi, District Malir, and District West except on NA-239 (Shah Faisal Town + Model Colony), though they will need to work hard there. Another seat that looks difficult for now is NA-255 (Liaqatabad and Nazimabad).

 

[Waseem]

Oh look who is back, welcome back [MENTION=133397]WebGuru[/MENTION] bro

I was thinking about creating this thread but decided to wait till the current government finishes their term.

But yes, it's about time we discuss the elections in one thread otherwise there will be plenty of threads about joining, tickets, people leaving parties, slogans etc.

 

[Waseem]

From feedback on the ground from volunteers on the current situation, I will tell you my thoughts:

KPK - 22-25 seats
FATA - 4-6 seats
Islamabad - 2 seats
Balochistan - 1-2 seats
Sindh - 7 - 10 from Karachi; 4-5 from Sindh: 11-15 seats
Punjab - 50 seats

Total - approx. 90 - 100 seats (excluding women/minority seats)

My own estimates based on social media activism:

KPK: 25 seats
FATA: 5 seats
Islamabad: 2 seats
Balochistan: 1-2 seats
Sindh: 5-7 seats in total
Punjab: 60 seats (IF they can negotiate with South Punjab province group)

Total: approx. 90 seats

They will need to make alliance with all the Independents and i believe they can get decent support form Balochistan as well since PTI helped electing Senate chairman from there. MQM/PMLQ will also agree but then PMLN can probably offer them better deals.

 

[WebGuru]

Oh look who is back, welcome back [MENTION=133397]WebGuru[/MENTION] bro

I was thinking about creating this thread but decided to wait till the current government finishes their term.

But yes, it's about time we discuss the elections in one thread otherwise there will be plenty of threads about joining, tickets, people leaving parties, slogans etc.

Thanks brother!

I thought it's time to start the discussion in one thread. I remember the GE 2013 thread it was created by you and was really active back thn many posters contributed in that thread. I guess not many of those posters are active anymore only a few are left from those old posters.

 

[Mian]

My estimate for PTI:

Punjab: 50 seats
Sindh: 10 seats
KPK: 22 seats
FATA: 4 seats
Islamabad: 2 seats
Baluchistan: 2 seats

Maximum of 90 NA seats for PTI

 

[FreakCricket]

Overseas pakistanis will able to vote in this election or not ?

 

[hussain.r97]

My prediction for all parties based on the current situation:
PTI - 95
PML-N - 85
PPP - 30
MQM - 8
PSP - 2
MMA - 12
BAP - 8
PML-F - 5
ANP - 1
Independents - 20
Others - 6

 

[hussain.r97]

Overseas pakistanis will able to vote in this election or not ?

Mixed reports coming out. They are meant to be able to vote this time, but I am having doubts.

 

[FreakCricket]

Mixed reports coming out. They are meant to be able to vote this time, but I am having doubts.

same happened last time, not too much time left to make it a reality and how will it go by ?

 

[hussain.r97]

same happened last time, not too much time left to make it a reality and how will it go by ?

They have supposedly already started working on a system where overseas Pakistanis can vote online, which makes me sceptical because such things can be easily manipulated.

 

[Waseem]

From PMLN's perspective, they will get:

KPK: 3 seats
FATA: 1 seats
Islamabad: 1 seats
Balochistan: 1-2 seats
Sindh: 1-2 seats in total
Punjab: 65 seats

Total: 70 -75 seats

I think PMLN will get support from MMA (likely to get around 10-15 seats) + Achakzai + ANP + MQM (if they don't form alliance with PTI) so looks like they will struggle to form the numbers so will need PPP's help for sure so it will be interesting government if PMLN and PPP join hands (won't last too long i believe).

This thread is about Pakistan elections (and not PTI) so hoping to see PMLN supporters also contributing to hold healthy debate and discuss what PMLN's chances are and their policies.
PMLN supporters: [MENTION=135196]waleed88[/MENTION] , [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] , [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION]

Not sure if there is any active PPP supporter [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] ? @Black_Zero ?

 

[Waseem]

Overseas pakistanis will able to vote in this election or not ?

I have huge reservations over such system, not many nations around the world have successfully done this and it will be more than a miracle if one of most incompetent and toothless Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) can pull this off. Even if they somehow do, anyone can manipulate this so as much as i would LOVE to vote online, i don't think it will/should happen under this ECP.

 

[waleed88]

I have huge reservations over such system, not many nations around the world have successfully done this and it will be more than a miracle if one of most incompetent and toothless Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) can pull this off. Even if they somehow do, anyone can manipulate this so as much as i would LOVE to vote online, i don't think it will/should happen under this ECP.

Seems unlikely it will happen even this time for overseas Pakistanis being able to vote. They will have to come to Pakistan to make it possible

 

[waleed88]

From PMLN's perspective, they will get:

KPK: 3 seats
FATA: 1 seats
Islamabad: 1 seats
Balochistan: 1-2 seats
Sindh: 1-2 seats in total
Punjab: 65 seats

Total: 70 -75 seats

I think PMLN will get support from MMA (likely to get around 10-15 seats) + Achakzai + ANP + MQM (if they don't form alliance with PTI) so looks like they will struggle to form the numbers so will need PPP's help for sure so it will be interesting government if PMLN and PPP join hands (won't last too long i believe).

This thread is about Pakistan elections (and not PTI) so hoping to see PMLN supporters also contributing to hold healthy debate and discuss what PMLN's chances are and their policies.
PMLN supporters: [MENTION=135196]waleed88[/MENTION] , [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] , [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION]

Not sure if there is any active PPP supporter [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] ? @Black_Zero ?

PMLN are prime favorites from Punjab. PTI will need an alliance with PPP and other affiliated parties if they have a chance in these elections. If Balochistan comes to PTI's favor, along with PPP and a party from Karachi like PSP... PTI stands a chance of forming a government. As far as I see PTI has KPK in the bag... PMLQ is already supporting PTI but a few seats from PUnjab will help their cause

 

[waleed88]

The only chance PPP have of success is if they form an alliance with PTI... its been a long time coming and there is no doubt these two parties have to be on the same page to defeat a common enemy

 

[iHammad]

My question is simple, who is most likely to be the Prime Minister of Pakistan after the elections? Imran Khan or Shahbaz Sharif?

 

[Hermoine Green]

If not now then never.

PTI needs to win for the sake of this country. If Sheer wins again then i have no hope in this country and nation as well.

 

[Mian]

Today decision of IK regarding vote selling in Senate can result in a few lost seats from KP in next elections. (Hazara and South KP)

 

[KingKhanWC]

Would love to know your thoughts [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] on who has the best chance of winning the upcoming elections.

Well Im a massive IK fan since childhood because of cricket and have had the pleasure of meeting him, shaking his hands and asking a couple of questions. I wish I was as optomistic as him, he truly believes one day the people of Pakistan will leave old failed, corrupt parties behind and choose a new destiny for Pakistan.

For me and many others it's a no brainer to vote for PTI, not only because the party has no history of corruption but also because the leader has is not motivated by greed and power.

Those in Pakistan may not agree but imo Pakistan is still stuck in old tribal culture for most parts. People vote for parties based on old alliances and what who their parents or grandparents voted for. My cousins are split , some want to continue voting for PMLN as their parents did but others want change.

I think IK has a chance but needs to capture those voters who are undecided or turn around voters who vote based on tribal mentality. However PMLN are favourites but lets see.

 

[Syed2015]

My personal current estimates would be something like this:

PML(N): 90-100
PTI:50-60
PPP:30-40

Though with the imminent conviction of NS and a potential exodus of electables from N-League things may change a lot.

 

[Mian]

PML(N): 90-100

PMLN won 126 seats in GE 2013 so you think they will only lose 26-36 seats after all these scandals and after ruling for 5 years with delivering any fruits to aam aadmi and after the economy disaster?

 

[Greenstorm]

If not now then never.

PTI needs to win for the sake of this country. If Sheer wins again then i have no hope in this country and nation as well.

Exactly. Its basically do or die knockout game.

 

[Syed2015]

PMLN won 126 seats in GE 2013 so you think they will only lose 26-36 seats after all these scandals and after ruling for 5 years with delivering any fruits to aam aadmi and after the economy disaster?

Well going by the tv surveys i have seen (particulary the ones from Habib Akram on Dunya News) they still seem to enjoy some good support in most parts of the Punjab, so to me this doesnt seem very improbable. However as i said these are CURRENT estimates which dont factor in what may happen in the run up to the election. Things may very well change from soon!

 

[Mian]

Well going by the tv surveys i have seen (particulary the ones from Habib Akram on Dunya News) they still seem to enjoy some good support in most parts of the Punjab, so to me this doesnt seem very improbable. However as i said these are CURRENT estimates which dont factor in what may happen in the run up to the election. Things may very well change from soon!

In Punjab vote shifts with electables so that can create a big difference in the end if many leave.

 

[Syed2015]

In Punjab vote shifts with electables so that can create a big difference in the end if many leave.

Yes this what i have also noticed in the programms. Most people who were supporting PMLN were citing the performances of their MNAs, not their party or Nawaz Sharifs current narrative. So i guess on which platform these electables in the end are going to candidate will be also be an indicator of where things will be heading!

 

[Syed2015]

Another factor we dont have to forget is the establishment factor! Many people may deny but their role will also be decisive in the question that which party will form the next govt! Looking at the confrontation course that NS has been taking recently it would really surprise me tbh if they would again allow PMLN to form the next govt!

 

[Mian]

Yes this what i have also noticed in the programms. Most people who were supporting PMLN were citing the performances of their MNAs, not their party or Nawaz Sharifs current narrative. So i guess on which platform these electables in the end are going to candidate will be also be an indicator of where things will be heading!

True and to give you an idea even in my own village only a few people vote for party (PTI or PMLN) but majority of voters are die hard supporters of an electable (who was independent in 2013) but now he moved to PTI so i guess if he gets the ticket most of the vote will now go to PTI thanks to him.

 

[Syed2015]

Add to this this news here from today:

https://www.samaa.tv/pakistan/2018/...r-making-derogatory-speech-against-judiciary/

KASUR: Police have arrested a PML-N MNA for allegedly making derogatory speeches against higher judiciary and establishment in a public rally.

MNA Waseem Akhtar Sheikh and MPA Naeem Safdar Ansari and at least 70 other PML-N workers were booked in two separate cases on charges of making provocative speeches during a public rally in Kasur on April 13 in Kasur.

The cases were lodged by Major Habib-ur-Rehman and security constable Abdur Rasheed.

According to police, the PML-N MNA was arrested from Kasur when he was trying to escape to Lahore.

He has been shifted to an undisclosed location.

MPA Naeem Safdar Ansari, Chairman Tehseel Council Haji Ayaz Ahmed and his deputy Ahmed Lateef have also surrendered to arrested.

According to Kasur police spokesman, raid parties led by senior officials have been constituted to arrest the others.

 

[Mian]

Add to this this news here from today:

https://www.samaa.tv/pakistan/2018/...r-making-derogatory-speech-against-judiciary/

KASUR: Police have arrested a PML-N MNA for allegedly making derogatory speeches against higher judiciary and establishment in a public rally.

MNA Waseem Akhtar Sheikh and MPA Naeem Safdar Ansari and at least 70 other PML-N workers were booked in two separate cases on charges of making provocative speeches during a public rally in Kasur on April 13 in Kasur.

The cases were lodged by Major Habib-ur-Rehman and security constable Abdur Rasheed.

According to police, the PML-N MNA was arrested from Kasur when he was trying to escape to Lahore.

He has been shifted to an undisclosed location.

MPA Naeem Safdar Ansari, Chairman Tehseel Council Haji Ayaz Ahmed and his deputy Ahmed Lateef have also surrendered to arrested.

According to Kasur police spokesman, raid parties led by senior officials have been constituted to arrest the others.

Here is the video media only showed the censored version. PMLN MNA, MPA and supporters from Kasur were abusing CJ, COAS and SC judges and their families openly

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">قصور کے ایم این اے اور ایم پی ایز کی چیف جسٹس اور آرمی چیف کو ننگی گالیاں <a href="https://t.co/C8yG0MFLM4">pic.twitter.com/C8yG0MFLM4</a></p>— وزیر اعظم عمران خان (@MyPMisImranKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/MyPMisImranKhan/status/986331119753809920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Syed1]

Here is the video media only showed the censored version. PMLN MNA, MPA and supporters from Kasur were abusing CJ, COAS and SC judges and their families openly

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Hogaye giriftaar... Ab inhi judges ke saamnay roona peetna dalain gaye ke sarkaar maaf kardein....


At the bare minimum this guy will be disqualified, another seat lost for Nooras.

 

[Mian]

Hogaye giriftaar... Ab inhi judges ke saamnay roona peetna dalain gaye ke sarkaar maaf kardein....


At the bare minimum this guy will be disqualified, another seat lost for Nooras.

I heard feraar ho raha tha paqera gaya

 

[Syed2015]

Here is the video media only showed the censored version. PMLN MNA, MPA and supporters from Kasur were abusing CJ, COAS and SC judges and their families openly

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Yeah i have seen the clip. Quite shocking to me that even the lawmakers were involved in this. I mean if it were just supporters it wouldnt really surprise me as most loyal PMLN workers nowadays are very anti-establishment. But to see even lawmakers going as far to open such views publically is quite surprising.

 

[hussain.r97]

After the kicking all those lawmakers out, PTI will lose about 4-5 seats. 3 to PML-N in Hazara, 2 to MMA in South KPK.

 

[Syed1]

I heard feraar ho raha tha paqera gaya

Video mein tou buhat dalayr bun raha tha "aoo humay giriftaar karo"

 

[Mian]

Yeah i have seen the clip. Quite shocking to me that even the lawmakers were involved in this. I mean if it were just supporters it wouldnt really surprise me as most loyal PMLN workers nowadays are very anti-establishment. But to see even lawmakers going as far to open such views publically is quite surprising.

I was surprised too when nehal hashmi clip appeared i always thought Nehal Hashmi was one of those educated Karachiites and he use to be sensible on talk shows in early days. Don't know what's gone wrong or these guys are being pressurized by the top leadership to prove the loyalty by using aggressive and cheap language? The leadership already used Hanif Abbasi like a tissue paper poor guy is not even being given ticket in next election after all his efforts on media against IK with all those personal attacks and his case against IK. When RWP/Isb metro case opens in NAB i am sure Shahbaz Sharif will come clean but we will see hanif ababsi hanged.

 

[Syed1]

After the kicking all those lawmakers out, PTI will lose about 4-5 seats. 3 to PML-N in Hazara, 2 to MMA in South KPK.

I doubt it... All those were first time ticket holders and not really electables..... This move has Infact improved PTIs standing in the eyes of the people.

 

[Mian]

After the kicking all those lawmakers out, PTI will lose about 4-5 seats. 3 to PML-N in Hazara, 2 to MMA in South KPK.

Not a bad move if this can earn PTI popular vote in Urban constituencies of Karachi and Punjab.

 

[Mian]

I doubt it... All those were first time ticket holders and not really electables..... This move has Infact improved PTIs standing in the eyes of the people.

Actually there were a few electable from Hazara and South KP. PTI was finally gaining ground in forever pro PMLN Hazara and pro JUIF+Molvis South KP so it's true PTI did lost a couple of seats with this move.

 

[Mian]

Video mein tou buhat dalayr bun raha tha "aoo humay giriftaar karo"

Ayse he hote he Nehal hashmi nae yaad ander kia bolta bahir aa ker kia kehta tha

 

[DeadBall]

Personally think that the kicking out was a bad move, IK needs all the votes he can get atm. Most of the vote bank are illiterate loyal people who could be fed more lies and propaganda or simply don't have a say in the matter. Better to have waited till election was won and government formed and then enforce these policies when in power.

 

[Bewal Express]

Personally think that the kicking out was a bad move, IK needs all the votes he can get atm. Most of the vote bank are illiterate loyal people who could be fed more lies and propaganda or simply don't have a say in the matter. Better to have waited till election was won and government formed and then enforce these policies when in power.

In the world of real politik these decisions are fudged in normal times but when you consider the timing close to the election, its even more brave. I say well done Kaptaan!

 

[OoparCut]

How are you folks excitedly discussing this dog and pony show, when the military is clearly pulling strings and keeping everybody on a tight leash? PML-N is systematically being de-fanged, to make sure that they can't win re-election. PPP's power has been cut off at the knees by targeted actions in Karachi. New "parties" are being mainstreamed to ensure that even the PTI will not have a majority on its own. It is abundantly clear that there can only be one institution that can accumulate power in Pakistan. Any organization other than the army that gets big will get cut down to size.

 

[Mian]

PPP's power has been cut off at the knees by targeted actions in Karachi.

As i asked you earlier never jumps in discussions with no knowledge and research. Who told you PPP had any power in Karachi before actions or operations or before one decade or 2 decades or 3 decades? For your information although PPP is strong in Sindh and Karachi is part of Sindh but PPP never won in Karachi. Not in last 4 decades at least!

[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] this is really funny our friend from the other side of border thinks Karachi is a stronghold of PPP This is what happens when Google is your source of information and you to jump in other country's internal issues with no knowledge!

 

[DeadBall]

How are you folks excitedly discussing this dog and pony show, when the military is clearly pulling strings and keeping everybody on a tight leash? PML-N is systematically being de-fanged, to make sure that they can't win re-election. PPP's power has been cut off at the knees by targeted actions in Karachi. New "parties" are being mainstreamed to ensure that even the PTI will not have a majority on its own. It is abundantly clear that there can only be one institution that can accumulate power in Pakistan. Any organization other than the army that gets big will get cut down to size.

Thanks for your concern.

 

[Syed2015]

After the kicking all those lawmakers out, PTI will lose about 4-5 seats. 3 to PML-N in Hazara, 2 to MMA in South KPK.

I think South KP has already been managed by the joinings from there in the recent days. With Hazara i agree.. the guys that got kicked from there seem to be losses for the party. However did the PTI even have any chance there in the first place? Considering the big turnouts in the PMLN jalsas in Hazara...

 

[Mian]

I think South KP has already been managed by the joinings from there in the recent days. With Hazara i agree.. the guys that got kicked from there seem to be losses for the party. However did the PTI even have any chance there in the first place? Considering the big turnouts in the PMLN jalsas in Hazara...

PTI did ok in Haripur and Abbotabad during GE2013 but they are really weak in Mansehra where on one seat Capt Safdar won and on other seat the electable Sardar Yousuf won and Yousuf is so strong he never lost his seat since 1988 no matter which party he joined currently he is also a federal minister. He met Khattak and was ready to jump the ship but PMLN stopped him with additional development funds and PTI wasn't in the mood to offer anything big.

Gohar Ayub, Umar Ayub Family from Haripur also joined PTI recently. Abbottabad District Govt is also of PTI. So PTI can compete in 2 out of 3 Districts of Hazara. PTI had 2 out of 4 MPAs from Haripur in 2013 and a MNA from Abbotabad.

 

[hussain.r97]

I doubt it... All those were first time ticket holders and not really electables..... This move has Infact improved PTIs standing in the eyes of the people.

Couple of them are have a large votebank Hazara, and would have won. Hazara volunteers were all hoping for them to get tickets.

 

[hussain.r97]

PPP’s Nadeem Afzal Chan joins PTI

ISLAMABAD - Another key leader of Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) on Wednesday jumped the ship and joined Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI).

Chan, who was considered as one of the close aide of Asif Ali Zardari, met PTI chief Imran Khan at his Bani Gala residence in Islamabad and announced to part ways with the party.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">ندیم افضل چن کی عمران خان سے ملاقات سیاسی صورتحال پر تبادلہ، عمران خان 25 اپریل کو سرگودھا کا دورہ کریں گے <a href="https://t.co/LkIB4P9XF7">pic.twitter.com/LkIB4P9XF7</a></p>— Fawad Hussain (@fawadchaudhry) <a href="https://twitter.com/fawadchaudhry/status/986882603537059840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 19, 2018</a></blockquote>
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PTI spokesperson Fawad Hussain in his tweet said that both leaders also held a discussion on the ongoing political situation in the country.

Starting his political career as a tehsil nazim from Malakwal in 2001, Chan was elected to the National Assembly from constituency NA-64 in 2008 general elections on the PPP’s ticket. He also contested the general election 2013 from the same constituency but could not bag the victory.

In October last year, the senior leader resigned from his post as the party’s Punjab General Secretary. PPP Chairman Bilawal Bhutto Zardari and co-chairman Asif Ali Zardari tried to convince him to take back the resignation but he had refused.

https://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/****...han-joins-pti/

 

[Mian]

Chan joining is really massive he is one of those PPP leaders i always wanted to see in PTI hsi brother father and uncle had already joined only he was left. Aitzaz is never going to leave so we should work on getting Kaira now. PPP can keep those wattoo shatoos

 

[Mian]

haha PTI is asking candidates to give this affidavit before the allocation of tickets that if they dont get the ticket they will not contest against PTI candidate who is given ticket.

 

[Mian]

White shalwar qameez is becoming uniform of PTI thanks to IK love for it

 

[Syed1]

I've been listening to Chan on TV shows for a while... and always been impressed by his rationality and integrity. He is a great induction in PTI.

 

[Mian]

I've been listening to Chan on TV shows for a while... and always been impressed by his rationality and integrity. He is a great induction in PTI.

Time to get Kaira on board. IK always had a soft corner for Kaira

 

[hussain.r97]

Wish PTI could get Aitzaz Ahsan on board! Will never appen though.

 

[Mian]

Wish PTI could get Aitzaz Ahsan on board! Will never appen though.

Not gonna happen he is in PPP from 5 decades and will never want to be remembered as a lota at this age. Feel so sad to see him standing behind people like Bilawal and Zardari

 

[Asim_khan]

Not gonna happen he is in PPP from 5 decades and will never want to be remembered as a lota at this age. Feel so sad to see him standing behind people like Bilawal and Zardari

It's a shame, cos I was really impressed with him when Musharraf had his power struggle against the judiciary, PPP really have messed up going the dynastic route instead of having the most able lead them.

 

[Mian]

It's a shame, cos I was really impressed with him when Musharraf had his power struggle against the judiciary, PPP really have messed up going the dynastic route instead of having the most able lead them.

True and he is also responsible for underachieving he had the brain and resources but always selected to be a worker and politician instead of a leader.

 

[Syed2015]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Apart from Nadeem Afzal Chan, PTI is also in touch with another PPP jiyala from Punjab. His inclusion will be announced in the coming days, Imran Khan has already given the go ahead.</p>— Mansoor Ali Khan (@_Mansoor_Ali) <a href="https://twitter.com/_Mansoor_Ali/status/986957011324690433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">19. April 2018</a></blockquote>
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Hmm wondering who this is going to be.... Maybe Kaira Sahib?

 

[Syed2015]

Hope its not going to be a deadweight like Raja Rental or Manzoor Watoo...

 

[Mian]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Apart from Nadeem Afzal Chan, PTI is also in touch with another PPP jiyala from Punjab. His inclusion will be announced in the coming days, Imran Khan has already given the go ahead.</p>— Mansoor Ali Khan (@_Mansoor_Ali) <a href="https://twitter.com/_Mansoor_Ali/status/986957011324690433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">19. April 2018</a></blockquote>
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Hmm wondering who this is going to be.... Maybe Kaira Sahib?

I hope it's not Wattoo. Karia over all the jayalas combined any day of the week!

 

[Mian]

Hope its not going to be a deadweight like Raja Rental or Manzoor Watoo...

Watoo was ready to join back in 2013 too. Raja Rental is a possibility

 

[Syed2015]

Kaira would be a big time stunner... He seemed quite active for the PPP lately, didnt seem to give of any vibe of leaving the party..

 

[Varun]

Imran Khan is going to win.

The result will alter sub-continental politics bigstyle.