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An excellent post which shows that there isnt all gloom and doom when it comes to dealing with fixers in Pakistan and in the world

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Usually top players don't engage in fixing. As Lou Vincent's ex wife put it , "like other alleged fixers who believe they have a short, underpaid shelf-life, wanted more than the game had given him".

Fixers target these fringe, out of favour cricketers like Jamshed. Guys who deep down probably know they aren't going to consistently play/have long careers. Butt was in and out of the side with a poor record, he probably picked up fixing before he was made captain (which was abrupt and probably a shock even to him). Asif in and out of the sides, banned from UAE, drug convictions etc., he hardly played many matches, hence no surprise he fixed.

Amir is the exception. But if he had waited for the domestic offers to come in, he probably wouldn't have fixed. He was new, perhaps too greedy to wait and play a few years to really get the money in.

In Pakistan we are lenient on fixing. We never extend bans, even campaign to get them reduced. And try to get players who fixed back into the international fold after bans. The risk is smaller, hence more are tempted to fix. In a lot of other countries, it's life ban. Too much of a risk, it's not worth it.

In other countries fixing is also seen as more morally wrong. Cricketers understand that. Look at Lou Vincent's apology, he gave no excuses, he understood the gravity of what he did. And he got the harshest ban possible, I don't think he's even allowed to enter a cricket ground, let alone coach or play.

In Pakistan it isn't as much. The way Butt talked about it (and Haider too) they act like everyone was doing it so might as well. They also don't really see spot fixing as the same crime either, as if bowling no balls doesn't hurt anyone. And this isn't meaning every cricketer does it, they're talking about their team. It's near impossible really to know if the other teams players are fixing (unless they approach you), but much easier to be aware of your own.

So I don't really think it's turning a blind eye. We just suffer from it more I think, and as I said the big names from our country don't fix. Like Afridi, YK, Misbah etc can you really imagine them fixing? Of course not. And even if it's the case that other boards turn a blind eye, it doesn't excuse us. You don't use someone else's bad doings to excuse your own. I care more about ridding Pakistan of fixing than I do other boards. Which is why I don't really think it's a bad thing fixers cropping up. It shows work is being done to get rid of the fixers. If anything I'm grateful when cricketers get banned, it stops them before they fix more and get others into fixing. What we do wrong is showing too much leniency to get them back.
 
Shoaib Akhtar in his book mentions that bookies and fixers don't just approach random players just like that. They research the hell out of you, investigate if you have financial issues, grudges with the PCB, inconsistent seldction in the side, impending personal needs ie medical issues in the family, siblings to get married off, if you recently got married, how open are you to accepting gifts from strangers. Once you tick most boxes, only then do you get approached with offers. Once you do one or two spot fixes, match fixes and start refusing later on, the bookies blackmail you be threatening to release all proof of your involvement to the cricket board, to the ICC, media, making threats to family members and even bluntly tell them we are connected to dawood Ibrahim, the Underwood, we will get away with it, the ICC will not touch us, you will be the one who will end up getting life banned, in jail and suffer financially for the rest of your life, you can't turn back now.
 
It is a very popular theory that Hansie Cronjes goose got cooked when he refused to spot fix, match fix a game in Sharjah or he failed to execute a couple of fixes in India and Sharjah due to which the bookies decided to teach him a lesson by leaking his audio tapes to the Indian police and media. Cronje panicked and confessed immediately whereas if he had remained calm, hid behind lawyers, legal loopholes that the Indian police could not use audio recordings that were not persuant to a court order he could have easily gotten away with it because such was his stature in the game and in South African Cricket. Other people argue that Cronje just admitted because he was sick and tired of being harassed by bookies and wanted to be free of them for good. He had grown weary of dealing with Cricket South African politics and was planning to retire after the 1999 ODI WC but he carried on because he needed the money.
 
Congratulations to a top poster who has been posting for a long time with excellent points and clarity.
 
good post but then what about the Wasim Akrams, the Azharuddins and the Salim Maliks of this world? These were household names and must have earned a decent wage then why did they fix?
 
good post but then what about the Wasim Akrams, the Azharuddins and the Salim Maliks of this world? These were household names and must have earned a decent wage then why did they fix?

Players in the 80's and 90's earned a pittance compared to Players today. $100,000-$200,000 was regarded as life changing money back then considering inflation, living expenses back then were different to what they are now. I can certainly envision players who are making Rs 7,000-20,000-30,000 a match being enticed by offers of $100,000-$500,000 to fix games.
 
Players in the 80's and 90's earned a pittance compared to Players today. $100,000-$200,000 was regarded as life changing money back then considering inflation, living expenses back then were different to what they are now. I can certainly envision players who are making Rs 7,000-20,000-30,000 a match being enticed by offers of $100,000-$500,000 to fix games.
Fair enough. I guess if the PCB officials were also involved than the risk of being caught was minimal.
 
good post but then what about the Wasim Akrams, the Azharuddins and the Salim Maliks of this world? These were household names and must have earned a decent wage then why did they fix?

Yeah was thinking this myself. Didn't really write this expecting POTW lol. I should have said that I'm talking more about recent history. And That top players are less likely to fix rather than not fixing at all. Was responding to a post where the OP said that why Pakistan's top players are being targeted and while other countries are not. I was more stressing I don't think it's simply other countries turning a blind eye when it comes to fixing for their top players and punishing instead their bad/disposable players.

In the past though cricketers didn't earn as much and hadn't the opportunity to boost income via domestic leagues as they do now. I also think it's far riskier now to fix than it was before with more checks and examples made of cricketers. Back then, chances of getting away with it were pretty high.

As someone said, I'm sure bookies research into what players fit the mold, are more likely to fix. It's dangerous to approach people for bookies knowing they could be reported to the ICC.

I would say that those with gambling problems (or excessive spending incurring debt) even if they're top players will still fix. When you have large debts that you can not fund even with high salaries, you will be tempted to fix to cover those debts. These sort of players I imagine are top of the list in terms of who bookies look for to fix.
 
Yeah was thinking this myself. Didn't really write this expecting POTW lol. I should have said that I'm talking more about recent history. And That top players are less likely to fix rather than not fixing at all. Was responding to a post where the OP said that why Pakistan's top players are being targeted and while other countries are not. I was more stressing I don't think it's simply other countries turning a blind eye when it comes to fixing for their top players and punishing instead their bad/disposable players.

In the past though cricketers didn't earn as much and hadn't the opportunity to boost income via domestic leagues as they do now. I also think it's far riskier now to fix than it was before with more checks and examples made of cricketers. Back then, chances of getting away with it were pretty high.

As someone said, I'm sure bookies research into what players fit the mold, are more likely to fix. It's dangerous to approach people for bookies knowing they could be reported to the ICC.

I would say that those with gambling problems (or excessive spending incurring debt) even if they're top players will still fix. When you have large debts that you can not fund even with high salaries, you will be tempted to fix to cover those debts. These sort of players I imagine are top of the list in terms of who bookies look for to fix.
Yeah i agree on your analysis.

I must though that using this philosophy PCB can almost perform its own risk analysis (bookies style) on various players and see who are more bound to fix in future and keep a close eye on those players?
 
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