"PSL is a good standard and probably better than IPL" : Abdul Razzaq

[Cozyrensetter]

I don't usually care about your attention seeking posts but sometimes I got to put the hammer down


You said PSL does not have any quality players:

1. Ben Laughlin for QG is the highest wicket-taker in Big Bash history
2. Joe Denly the highest run scorer in the NatWest T20 in 2017 plays for KK
3. Colin Ingram the second highest run scorer in NatWest T20 2016 plays for KK
4. Chadwick Walton the highest run scorer in CPL 2017 is playing for IU
5. "Washed up" Shane Watson was the 5th highest run scorer in Big Bash 2017
6. Biggest striker of the ball in the Aussie T20 side, Chris Lynn, was in LQ before injury happened
7. BMac still plays in Big Bash and IPL so he is only "washed up" when playing in PSL
8. Sunil Narine was the 4th highest run scorer in IPL 2017
9. Roy, Hales, Duminy, Morgan, Tahir, Narine are all some of the biggest players in world cricket today
10. Yes some of the biggest names such as Warner, Starc, De Kock, Smith aren't there because PCB cannot buy a window like the BCCI, nothing to suggest that these players won't play if they were not busy in international duty


You said empty stadiums

1. There is some validity to this point during the weekdays, but the stadiums are about 50-75% full on Friday/Saturday games
2. The online viewership in just the first 15 matches crossed 20 million - so much for failed league
3. The event is a super-hit for the actual people it is intended for - Pakistanis
4. Wait till it goes to Pakistan for the last three matches then you will know what a packed stadium is

You said poor production quality

1. What constitutes a good production quality? PSL has all the shabangs that IPL does in terms of production
2. Heck the company doing the production is Indian the very Indians you love with all your heart
3. Maybe we need the commentators to announce it is a DLF maximum everytime a six is hit?


You said a peak Chris Gayle would have smashed it all parts in the PSL

1. That is just another one of your "prophesies"
2. In the first season of PSL when Gayle couldn't buy a run he was coming from the back of an epic IPL where he scored at an average of 50 and SR 150


You said Mitchell McClenaghan is just another player in the IPL

1. Reality is he was the fourth highest wicket-taker in IPL 2017
2. "Washed-up" Imran Tahir was fifth highest




I think should be enough to shut you up for now.

Good response brother.Psl is good enough to stand up on its own.It will shine once the matches are held in Pakistan.Only reason why Ab,Warner etc(the so called superstars) are not playing is because they are busy with international cricket not because they are too good for Psl.Why would they not play in PSl...it means some extra bucks.
I have watched IPL from the start keenly and also watch some PSL games whenever I Can.Ipl owes a lot of its success to foreign players eg Ab,Gayle.IPL had a head-start does not mean we should bash other leagues if they are emerging.IPL also saw its fair share of problems with match fixing,Conflict of interest etc.
Give PSL time and it will certainly improve from here.I don't understand what this poster Maamoon wants.He is never satisfied with anything.

 

[WengerOut]

So let me get this straight, so far the list of things that do not matter as per [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] and Indians


1. No high scoring matches - PSL had 28 scores of 150 plus in the 29 completed matches (58 innings). A team is hitting a 150+ score in every match. Definitely a pretty high number.

2. Roster of foreign players is bad - the same players have been picked and performed in the IPL they weren't bad when they were playing there were they?

3. The quality of bowling is overhyped - Unadkhat who is a certified gully mohallah level bowler averaged 13 in the IPL. Compare that to best bowlers in PSL this year, Ashraf, Riaz and Tahir are all miles ahead of Unadkhat.


4. The quality of batsmanship is bad - K. Akmal, Watson, Azam, Ronchi, Zaman are the top run getters this season. K. Akmal has won his nation a T20 world cup he is by no means a slouch T20 batsman. Azam is the top ranked T20 batsman in the world. Being an Indian you would very well know what Zaman is capable of. We all know what Watson can do. Sunil Narine was the fourth highest run scorer in IPL, I didn't see you lot talking about batsmanship then.


5. The stadiums are empty and there is no atmosphere - the stadiums have been 50-75% packed on Thursdays, Fridays and Saturdays. Today was jam packed and filled to the brim. The PSL is not held in Pakistan, if it were we would have 75% full stadiums even on weekdays. Heck I've caught a glimpse of a few IPL matches last year involving that Punjab side and the stadiums weren't even half full.

This should answer all your concerns.



PSL is a good league, with high standard competitive cricket. Doesn't matter what you Indians or pseudo-Indians say. You have built up this castle in your mind that PSL is bad and making logic on the fly just to fit that criteria while I have systematically debunked all of your stupid logic.

Atlast , from having not watched a single IPL match yet to having caught a glimpse. Smoooooooth.

TBH , Mohali was never full. That area does not deserve a cricket team. And it is the only one with sparse crowd.

 

[Syed1]

Atlast , from having not watched a single IPL match yet to having caught a glimpse. Smoooooooth.

TBH , Mohali was never full. That area does not deserve a cricket team. And it is the only one with sparse crowd.

I have not watched matches... just videos of KL Rahul batting that were posted here on PP - he plays for the Punjab side doesn't he?


Quite nice of you to ignore the rest of my points.

 

[Syed1]

Good response brother.Psl is good enough to stand up on its own.It will shine once the matches are held in Pakistan.Only reason why Ab,Warner etc(the so called superstars) are not playing is because they are busy with international cricket not because they are too good for Psl.Why would they not play in PSl...it means some extra bucks.
I have watched IPL from the start keenly and also watch some PSL games whenever I Can.Ipl owes a lot of its success to foreign players eg Ab,Gayle.IPL had a head-start does not mean we should bash other leagues if they are emerging.IPL also saw its fair share of problems with match fixing,Conflict of interest etc.
Give PSL time and it will certainly improve from here.I don't understand what this poster Maamoon wants.He is never satisfied with anything.

Exactly... IPL is the undisputed king of T20 leagues, but PSL can be good in its own rights. One doesn't have to be bad for the other to be good and vice versa.

 

[WengerOut]

I have not watched matches... just videos of KL Rahul batting that were posted here on PP - he plays for the Punjab side doesn't he?


Quite nice of you to ignore the rest of my points.

KL dint play for Punjab i guess. Not a keen follower of IPL.

As for the rest of the points , i ignored because it was not for me i believe.

 

[babajee]

Exactly... IPL is the undisputed king of T20 leagues, but PSL can be good in its own rights. One doesn't have to be bad for the other to be good and vice versa.

It’s as simple as this:

IPL is USA and PSL is Uganda

 

[blue_champion]

So let me get this straight, so far the list of things that do not matter as per [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] and Indians


1. No high scoring matches - PSL had 28 scores of 150 plus in the 29 completed matches (58 innings). A team is hitting a 150+ score in every match. Definitely a pretty high number.

2. Roster of foreign players is bad - the same players have been picked and performed in the IPL they weren't bad when they were playing there were they?

3. The quality of bowling is overhyped - Unadkhat who is a certified gully mohallah level bowler averaged 13 in the IPL. Compare that to best bowlers in PSL this year, Ashraf, Riaz and Tahir are all miles ahead of Unadkhat.


4. The quality of batsmanship is bad - K. Akmal, Watson, Azam, Ronchi, Zaman are the top run getters this season. K. Akmal has won his nation a T20 world cup he is by no means a slouch T20 batsman. Azam is the top ranked T20 batsman in the world. Being an Indian you would very well know what Zaman is capable of. We all know what Watson can do. Sunil Narine was the fourth highest run scorer in IPL, I didn't see you lot talking about batsmanship then.


5. The stadiums are empty and there is no atmosphere - the stadiums have been 50-75% packed on Thursdays, Fridays and Saturdays. Today was jam packed and filled to the brim. The PSL is not held in Pakistan, if it were we would have 75% full stadiums even on weekdays. Heck I've caught a glimpse of a few IPL matches last year involving that Punjab side and the stadiums weren't even half full.

This should answer all your concerns.



PSL is a good league, with high standard competitive cricket. Doesn't matter what you Indians or pseudo-Indians say. You have built up this castle in your mind that PSL is bad and making logic on the fly just to fit that criteria while I have systematically debunked all of your stupid logic.

Systematically debunked $50 bucks says you don’t know what it means

No one said PSL is bad, it was only said that PSL is not even in the same ball park as IPL.

You caught some glimpses of IPL matches last year?...I thought you hadn’t seen any since 2008...looks like we are evolving...baby steps

You seem to even know the 4th highest batsmen and bowlers of the IPL, now that takes some effort, I don’t even remember the highest wicket taker from 2 years back and I am a hardcore IPL fan )

You can’t pick and chose...If Unadkut being the best bowler in a league where Rabada,Bumrah,Bhuvi, Boult,Cummins, Counter Nile, Woakes all took part then good for him.

However Bopara and Sammy being captains in a league and star players says a lot does it

50-75% packed stadiums or whatever you can justify man to make you feel better, the empty stands in PSL have been a running joke everywhere so if it makes you feel better I will take a pass on that.

 

[Syed1]

Systematically debunked $50 bucks says you don’t know what it means

No one said PSL is bad, it was only said that PSL is not even in the same ball park as IPL.

You caught some glimpses of IPL matches last year?...I thought you hadn’t seen any since 2008...looks like we are evolving...baby steps

You seem to even know the 4th highest batsmen and bowlers of the IPL, now that takes some effort, I don’t even remember the highest wicket taker from 2 years back and I am a hardcore IPL fan )

You can’t pick and chose...If Unadkut being the best bowler in a league where Rabada,Bumrah,Bhuvi, Boult,Cummins, Counter Nile, Woakes all took part then good for him.

However Bopara and Sammy being captains in a league and star players says a lot does it

50-75% packed stadiums or whatever you can justify man to make you feel better, the empty stands in PSL have been a running joke everywhere so if it makes you feel better I will take a pass on that.

Come back when you can counter me with actual facts rather than he said she said and "in my opinion"

 

[WengerOut]

[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] I just looked at the stats and found Sunil Narine at 41st in Most runs list. Where did you get 4th ?

 

[blue_champion]

Come back when you can counter me with actual facts rather than he said she said and "in my opinion"

Lol what facts? You just pick and chose stuff to make yourself feel better.

Yeah Unadkut is a trundler and doesn’t deserve to play for India but you conveniently ignored the fact who he competed with in the same tournament to accomplish that and hence he is rewarded with an Indian comeback.

I will take it you know your IPL stats so Narine being the 4th highest batsman...4th highest really? Is that your argument...So Narine probably outperformed Kohli who had a bad season so what does that prove?

Careers are resurrected because of IPL where as Bopara,Sammy and Luke Wright’s performance is taken with a pinch of salt lol.

Anyway no one is putting down PSL...as I said if it makes money for the fringe Pakistani Players or other small time internationals who especially are the ones subject to target by the bookies and also we have heard a lot of sad stories about ex Pakistani fc cricketers so that is good for them I guess....it is only the ridiculous idea that it is even mentioned in the same ballpark as IPL that is ridiculed.

 

[blue_champion]

[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] I just looked at the stats and found Sunil Narine at 41st in Most runs list. Where did you get 4th ?

Thanks for checking

Atleast my $50 bucks are safe that he doesn’t understand what exactly “systematically debunked” means.

Anyway here is the top 10

David Warner,Gautam Gambhir,Shikhar Dhawan,Steve Smith,Suresh Raina,Hashim Amla(now that should raise the leve of the league for him lol), Manish Pandey, Parthiv,Tripathi and Uthappa- except for 1 or 2 surprises that is a pretty solid list

Funny thing is some bigger names like AB,Kohli,Stokes,Dhoni,Rohit,Gayle,Finch,Maxwell,Butler etc etc are missing and they all played the league

 

[jnaveen1980]

No league can get close to IPL because of the sheer participation. Top players like Amla, Root, Guptill,Marsh to name a few went unsold. Pujara even as a test super star went unsold while retired Misba is still very much part of the PSL. Competition is very high. Stakes are high there. Also gives good exposure to young and upcoming players. Downside though is Indian bowling is overly exposed in the IPL. So when the other teams face these guys at the international level they are very familiar with current and future stars. Although it is a commercial event, there is an indirect benefit for uber talented players to gain exposure. If they wait to come through ranks in domestic it may take longer. So it provides short cut to special talents. If you think about it Ashwin was not known for his domestic exploits. He got attention by bowling powerplay overs in the IPL. Gradually drafted into ODI/T20 later Tests. A resounding success now. Same way jadeja.

 

[babajee]

So it turns out BPL is “pretty decent” but PSL is crap and poor and embarrassing.
[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]

 

[Syed1]

So it turns out BPL is “pretty decent” but PSL is crap and poor and embarrassing.

[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]

Ironically the biggest foreign "superstars" in BPL are Pakistani


The same ones who comprise the bulk of players in PSL

 

[Rishta Aunty]

I think we can break Razzaq's statement into the true parts (PSL is of a good standard), and the 'patriotic' albeit untrue part (Better than the IPL).

However, is the PSL really that much worse than the first few seasons of the IPL? Where we had Wasim Jaffer opening, with that Asnodkar (sp?) dude playing for Sohail Tanvir's team? There was a lot of riff-raff in the IPL as well which has improved as India's talent pool has benefit from the access.

With regards to foreign players, we are behind now and will be for some time. No shame in accepting that. But we have a fair few big names playing; them not being selected in the IPL does nothing to diminish their quality. Case in point Amla's non-selection after 2 hundreds last year. The IPL auction is a weird place sometimes!

I think we can be proud of OUR PSL without having to bring down the IPL. Hum bade dil log!

 

[Mamoon]

IPL is the highest form of T20 cricket. If you don’t like IPL then you don’t like T20 cricket.

 

[Rana]

IPL is the highest form of T20 cricket. If you don’t like IPL then you don’t like T20 cricket.

T20 World Cup is the highest form.

 

[Mamoon]

T20 World Cup is the highest form.

IPL and WT20 are equal.

 

[Rana]

IPL and WT20 are equal.

No it’s not.

IPL cannot produce a single game on par with Pakistan v South Africa in Nottingham 2009. Never ever.

 

[Mamoon]

No it’s not.

IPL cannot produce a single game on par with Pakistan v South Africa in Nottingham 2009. Never ever.

You need to watch more IPL matches then. It has produced no shortage of classics over the years.

 

[Rana]

You need to watch more IPL matches then. It has produced no shortage of classics over the years.

No domestic T20 match will ever surpass the magnitude of a T20 World Cup showdown.

 

[Mamoon]

No domestic T20 match will ever surpass the magnitude of a T20 World Cup showdown.

IPL is international cricket in franchise form. You cannot club it together with domestic cricket.

 

[Mamoon]

CSK vs Mumbai Indians is probably bigger than any T20I that doesn’t involve the big 3.

 

[Mamoon]

CSK, Mumbai Indians, KKR are proper heavyweights. They have bigger profiles than several international teams.

 

[Rana]

IPL is international cricket in franchise form. You cannot club it together with domestic cricket.

But it has no choice to feature players who are only cut for domestic cricket. So it’s Domestic cricket with international superstars. Warrior and Avesh Khan May play international cricket for Nepal or Bhutan

 

[Rana]

CSK vs Mumbai Indians is probably bigger than any T20I that doesn’t involve the big 3.

I don’t see anyone publicising any IPL fixture in sports circles in England. It’s still just cricket, domestic cricket

 

[Mamoon]

But it has no choice to feature players who are only cut for domestic cricket. So it’s Domestic cricket with international superstars. Warrior and Avesh Khan May play international cricket for Nepal or Bhutan

There are several players in international cricket who do not deserve to play international cricket but get lucky because they play for weak countries.

Cannot complain about Avesh Khan when the likes of Rafatullah Mohmand, Awais Zia, Shakeel Ansar etc. have international caps.

 

[Rana]

CSK vs Mumbai Indians is probably bigger than any T20I that doesn’t involve the big 3.

Like who?

CSK looks worse than Quetta Gladiators atm

 

[Mamoon]

I don’t see anyone publicising any IPL fixture in sports circles in England. It’s still just cricket, domestic cricket

You can probably say the same for T20 cricket in general. The audience isn’t that big.

However, that has not stopped Sky and BBC from annoying Pakistani fans by forcing IPL down their throats.

Even BBC “Test” match special is providing IPL coverage...

 

[Mamoon]

Like who?

CSK looks worse than Quetta Gladiators atm

CSK vs MI is bigger than any combination of T20Is between small teams. You know who the small teams are.

 

[Rana]

Peshawar Zalmi>>> CSK

 

[Mamoon]

Let me put it this way - if Pakistan cricket team joins IPL as a franchise, it will not come close to winning the competition.

However, if Team India joins PSL as a franchise, it will stroll to the trophy without any hiccups.

 

[Darkrai]

Let me put it this way - if Pakistan cricket team joins IPL as a franchise, it will not come close to winning the competition.

However, if Team India joins PSL as a franchise, it will stroll to the trophy without any hiccups.

We need the champions league.

PSL always gets me hyped. I'm sure CL will be a hit if the player signings work like European soccer leagues. Though the IPL would get the best players, the thought still gets me excited.

 

[KingKhan12]

Let me put it this way - if Pakistan cricket team joins IPL as a franchise, it will not come close to winning the competition.

However, if Team India joins PSL as a franchise, it will stroll to the trophy without any hiccups.

Stop making a fool of yourself with your hype of India and IPL. Saying its equal to T20 World Cup. Give it a break. Theirs a limit of making a fool of yourself.

 

[BreadPakoda]

We need the champions league.

PSL always gets me hyped. I'm sure CL will be a hit if the player signings work like European soccer leagues. Though the IPL would get the best players, the thought still gets me excited.

IIRC, CL couldn't attract audience. They even added more IPL teams and it started looking like IPL-2 but that couldn't keep it afloat.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

IPL standards are surely higher than PSL and it should not be a surprise considering the amount of money, domestic resources and foreign talent pool.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Any two premier IPL teams competing is a bigger spectacle than any two nations competing in WT20.

Mumbai vs KKR for example these days is no less than Bayern Munich vs Liverpool or an El Classico 5-7 years ago with Barca/Madrid at their respective peaks.

The sheer star power plus the fact that these few clubs also possess the best of the Indian talent make it a quite a contest.

Take into account IPL is limited by the pitches to a certain type of play. These players, and with their talent, can light up a contest on any pitch anywhere in the world.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Punjab's batting line up this year is at par or better than most international teams

 

[Bhaijaan]

IPL is also limited by not having a longer window and having limit of 4 overseas players per team.

If the above two restrictions are lifted, it will literally break every other league apart as the premier T20 cricketers would mostly become exclusive to IPL only.

This is actually the future somewhere down the line. It is inevitable.

People who cry about BCCI actually have not seen them.play their last few cards which would essentially reduce world cricket to tournaments only and have bilateral cricket replaced by a 6-7 months long IPL

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

IPL is also limited by not having a longer window and having limit of 4 overseas players per team.

If the above two restrictions are lifted, it will literally break every other league apart as the premier T20 cricketers would mostly become exclusive to IPL only.

This is actually the future somewhere down the line. It is inevitable.

People who cry about BCCI actually have not seen them.play their last few cards which would essentially reduce world cricket to tournaments only and have bilateral cricket replaced by a 6-7 months long IPL

If they remove all restrictions on foreign players, in my opinion it will be harmful to the development and growth of locals, and at the very least it will deprive local players of significant money making opportunities.

Therefore I hope not.

 

[Bhaijaan]

If they remove all restrictions on foreign players, in my opinion it will be harmful to the development and growth of locals, and at the very least it will deprive local players of significant money making opportunities.

Therefore I hope not.

Indians would want to have 4 players rule in place but a longer IPL replacing bilateral cricket and thereby making the best T20 talent in the world exclusive to it is inevitable.

 

[Ab Fan]

Yes, IPL is equal to International T20 cricket.

The likes of Gayle, de Villiers, Buttler and Warner are considered as T20 legends and they don't need to average 30 in that format to be regarded as one.

 

[Mesozoic]

Yes Razzaq Bhai.

If Ahmed Shehzad is more talented that Sachin Tendulkar, then definitely PSL has better standards than the IPL.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Yes Razzaq Bhai.

If Ahmed Shehzad is more talented that Sachin Tendulkar, then definitely PSL has better standards than the IPL.

That is his opinion that PSL>IPL. It’s personal choice to be honest. For me IPL is better than any other cricket league out there