PTI likely to play dynastic politics in KP by-elections

[Mamoon]

The PTI government is implementing dynastic politics in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) by securing party tickets for family members in the by-elections that will be held on Oct 14 for nine provincial and one national assembly seat.

Family members of at least three Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) leaders succeeded in security party tickets for the by-polls on seats vacated after the July 25 elections.

Defence minister Pervez Khattak vacated two provincial assembly seats. His son, Ibrahim Khan and brother, Liaquat Khan are likely to contest for PK-64 Nowsherwa-IV and PK-61 Nowsherwa-I respectively.

National Assembly (NA) Speaker Asad Qaiser and former KP minister Ali Amin Gandapur also vacated their provincial assembly seats and joined the NA.

Asad Qaiser’s brother, Aqibullah has filed his nomination papers with the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) and is likely to contest for PK-44 Swabi.

Faisal Amin Gandapur, brother of the member of national assembly (MNA) Ali Amin Gandapur is expected to contest for the by-elections from PK-97 DI Khan.

https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2018/09/01/pti-likely-to-play-dynastic-politics-in-kp-by-elections/

“We will put an end to family politics” - Imran Khan

So what is this about? Was this whole anti-family politics campaign hot air as well? Or is it only family politics when the Sharifs and Bhuttos are involved?

Perhaps if our hardcore PTI supporters stop their bhangra and stop brushing themselves over the austerity campaign, they would be able to explain how this is justified and why this should not be criticized.

Also, please note that the family, dynastic politics of other parties do not justify the family politics within PTI.

PML-N and PPP have not claimed that they will end family politics, but PTI has been campaigning against it for years now.

However, time and time again, they have failed to live up to their words.

 

[Asim_khan]

Imran Khan does not have any family members in any big positions within PTI as far as I'm aware, so he's practicing what he's preaching.

This can't be compared to a 19 year old Baby being made joint president of a party, or a woman on a ventilator running for an by-election

 

[Mamoon]

Imran Khan does not have any family members in any big positions within PTI as far as I'm aware, so he's practicing what he's preaching.

This can't be compared to a 19 year old Baby being made joint president of a party, or a woman on a ventilator running for an by-election

Okay. So the “no family politics” campaign only applies to Imran Khan and his family and not to the other PTI members.

So in other words, family politics is acceptable as long as it does not involve the family of Imran Khan.

Your explanation and justification is very valid and I am fully satisfied with your answer. Thank you very much and and please accept my humble apology.

 

[Asim_khan]

Okay. So the “no family politics” campaign only applies to Imran Khan and his family and not to the other PTI members.

So in other words, family politics is acceptable as long as it does not involve the family of Imran Khan.

Your explanation and justification is very valid and I am fully satisfied with your answer. Thank you very much and and please accept my humble apology.

You're very welcome.

You see Imran Khan is from Punjab, the guys you've mentioned are from KPK, thing are different over there.

I heard all it takes is a grandmothers order, and a grandson votes for a party he's chided for a whole 5 years. Dynastic politics *sigh*

 

[Zeeraq]

There is a different between family politics and dynastic politics. A family can be in one profession, as you've said your father is in civil service and you plan to go in it as well, and there is nothing wrong in it.

The problem is the dynastic nature of it, Bilawal Bhutto was made PPP Chairman without any experience and Maryam Nawaz was presiding official meetings without any authority. That is the problem, not them being in politics.

 

[Mamoon]

There is a different between family politics and dynastic politics. A family can be in one profession, as you've said your father is in civil service and you plan to go in it as well, and there is nothing wrong in it.

The problem is the dynastic nature of it, Bilawal Bhutto was made PPP Chairman without any experience and Maryam Nawaz was presiding official meetings without any authority. That is the problem, not them being in politics.

Having your father in civil service is of no use because you have to pass the CSS exam anyway. However, what are the qualifications of these family members who are being given tickets?

Apart from carrying the names of their politician family members, why are they a better fit than other candidates?

It is a clear cut case of “maroosi siyasat” and I don’t think it is justified. Imran Khan needs to look into this matter once he gets over the austerity business.

 

[Mamoon]

You're very welcome.

You see Imran Khan is from Punjab, the guys you've mentioned are from KPK, thing are different over there.

I heard all it takes is a grandmothers order, and a grandson votes for a party he's chided for a whole 5 years. Dynastic politics *sigh*

Jahangir Tareen is from Punjab, and his son contested an election earlier and lost badly. Family politics is deeply embedded within PTI, and people usually deflect the issue because Imran doesn’t have any family legacy in politics, but the rules should apply to other politicians in PTI as well, otherwise the status quo will be maintained and there will no accountability.

 

[Zeeraq]

Having your father in civil service is of no use because you have to pass the CSS exam anyway. However, what are the qualifications of these family members who are being given tickets?

Apart from carrying the names of their politician family members, why are they a better fit than other candidates?

It is a clear cut case of “maroosi siyasat” and I don’t think it is justified. Imran Khan needs to look into this matter once he gets over the austerity business.

It is of use as it helps to guide you. It is the same with doctors, lawyers, engineers, businessmen and everything else under the sun.

Although I agree with you if somebody else is more deserving they should be chosen to contest on those seats.

 

[MenInG]

Incredible how some are looking for problems with IK in his first few weeks when they had no problems with criminals ruling us for years.

 

[Asim_khan]

Jahangir Tareen is from Punjab, and his son contested an election earlier and lost badly. Family politics is deeply embedded within PTI, and people usually deflect the issue because Imran doesn’t have any family legacy in politics, but the rules should apply to other politicians in PTI as well, otherwise the status quo will be maintained and there will no accountability.

And he lost badly cos the PTI votebank did not come out for him cos the average PTI voter doesn't support that kind of nonsense. That's why PTI lost a seat they had a huge votebank in. He was applauded when he refused to contest in the most recent election and his replacement won at a canter (cue [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] saying cos Gen Bajwa rigged it)

In fact go on twitter and you'll see that most opposition to this kind of stuff is from PTI social media supporters. People like you, nooras, patwaris, ANP etc etc love it when PTI allow a family member to contest an insignificant seat, cos that allows your lot to say we're hypocrites for calling out a woman in a hospital ward abroad hooked to a ventilator being up for a election cos of who she sleeps with when he's not harassing Kim Barker. Or a 19 year old lounge lizard from a lavender coloured establishment being made joint chairman of a major party alongside his forked tongue dad.

As [MENTION=103382]Zeeraq[/MENTION] already pointed out, there's a difference between dynastic politics and bringing family into some random seat. Of course that isn't ok, but you can't compare it to PMLN's reserved seats looking like the Sharif family tree

 

[Maverick84]

Incredible how some are looking for problems with IK in his first few weeks when they had no problems with criminals ruling us for years.

What can you expect from those who call convicts their leader.

 

[zn426]

Based on what I'm reading in this thread, the PTI base doesn't like dynastic politics and will vote against dynastic politicians, IK applies his philosophies against dynastic politics to his own family, but doesn't hold PTI politicians to that same standard.
I think PTI will get the message from their base that this is unacceptable and cut it out soon. They've been responsive thus far.

 

[Waseem]

At least Mamoon has raised a genuine issue this time instead of useless propaganda.

I think Pervez Khattak in particular is being incredibly selfish for giving so many tickets to his family members and this is definitely not PTI ideology. There is a reason Imran Khan didn't want Khattak to continue as CM KPK even though he did a reasonable job. He is also the reason Atif Khan couldn't become CM KPK either so yes it is a genuine issue.

PTI is still way better than others, Imran Khan belongs to a very educated family and could have promoted his family members but did not do so. People like Hafeezullah and Inamullah (his cousins) are actually his biggest critics because he even sidelined them (Inamullah was in politics even before Imran).

There was lot of criticism when Ali Tareen was given ticket in by elections but i supported that because he wasn't being APPOINTED due to this father but contesting elections. FAR bigger problem is when people like Maryam or Bilawal got power and positions in party without ever contesting elections. No one ever said they shouldn't be in politics. Maryam was Prime Minister for some people already without ever contesting elections.

 

[hussain.r97]

Good thread, and some genuine concerns.

I don't think PTI is anywhere near the level of PPP and PML-N when it comes to dynastic politics, but there is definitely a lot of room for improvement. Right now there are some more pressing issues for PTI, but they really need to make party chapters understand that there is no room for family politics, and family members can only be awarded a ticket or position if they merit it. I really hope that PTI voters reject these picks, and PTI end up losing these bye-election seats. It will be a good wake up call for Imran Khan, and he will have to listen to what his voters are saying if he wants to hang around for more than one term.

I am sure PTI will learn from the mistakes they made with awarding tickets to family and "electables" considering that PTI voters have shown that they won't accept both, and they want to see deserving people awarded tickets instead. General election 2018 and the Lodhran bye election were both big wakeup calls, and also a big change because the majority of PTIs electables lost their seats, while nazryatis ended up unexpectedly winning.

 

[KB]

According to the work of Pakistani academics, Ali Cheema, Hassan Javid and Muhammad Farooq Naseer, 53.4% of the National Assembly seats from the Punjab belonged to dynastic families in the 2008 elections. This remarkable number is consistent with elections going back to at least 1985, for which data was collected. By way of comparison, they point out that 29% of the members of the Indian Lok Sabha in the 2010 elections were dynastic. In the US, the dynastic legislators in the Congress between 1966-96 was 6%.

A key factor in the reliance on dynastic figures in Pakistan, is the feebleness of political parties as institutions. On the local level party infrastructure remains weak. Hence the reliance on local ‘electables’ rather than on doing the much harder work of institutionalising popular enthusiasm and support by building firm organisational foundations stretching all the way to the local level. Weak party machines with decision making highly centralised and authority flowing less from formal party structures than a party leaders have characterised Pakistani political parties.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2018/09/01/pti-likely-to-play-dynastic-politics-in-kp-by-elections/

“We will put an end to family politics” - Imran Khan

So what is this about? Was this whole anti-family politics campaign hot air as well? Or is it only family politics when the Sharifs and Bhuttos are involved?

Perhaps if our hardcore PTI supporters stop their bhangra and stop brushing themselves over the austerity campaign, they would be able to explain how this is justified and why this should not be criticized.

Also, please note that the family, dynastic politics of other parties do not justify the family politics within PTI.

PML-N and PPP have not claimed that they will end family politics, but PTI has been campaigning against it for years now.

However, time and time again, they have failed to live up to their words.

When he was in opposition he was caught lying abundant times and took dozens of U turns. Now when he is in power he is contradicting his claims and promises. U turn & fake promises galore.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

ANP has demanded that Army personnel’s entry inside polling stations should be banned.


A very valid reason. In 2018 General Elections after polling time ended it was observed and reported that in many Polling stations the Army officials kicked out polling agents and locked the doors. Who could forget the electronic results transmission system being stopped and delay in results for upto 2-3 days.



PML N , PPP and MMA need to stand with ANP in this. Enough engineering and manipulations

 

[King-Misbah]

ANP has demanded that Army personnel’s entry inside polling stations should be banned.


A very valid reason. In 2018 General Elections after polling time ended it was observed and reported that in many Polling stations the Army officials kicked out polling agents and locked the doors. Who could forget the electronic results transmission system being stopped and delay in results for upto 2-3 days.



PML N , PPP and MMA need to stand with ANP in this. Enough engineering and manipulations

Aur Zor sai ro mera bhai. PMLN supporter crying about rigging #Irony

 

[Bewal Express]

ANP has demanded that Army personnel’s entry inside polling stations should be banned.


A very valid reason. In 2018 General Elections after polling time ended it was observed and reported that in many Polling stations the Army officials kicked out polling agents and locked the doors. Who could forget the electronic results transmission system being stopped and delay in results for upto 2-3 days.



PML N , PPP and MMA need to stand with ANP in this. Enough engineering and manipulations

Do you remember what Saad Rafiq did in 2014. Your game is over. The public have spoken- no change to KHATAM-E NABUWAT, no to rigging.