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PTI's Tsunami March on 14th August [Mega Thread]

KarachiKing said:
tbf FATA and its IDPs is exclusively a central govt problem. KPK govt were doing good work for the IDPs before the dharnas. Im not sure whats the status now though. Theres no media coverage so cant really say anything for certain.

The operation was undertaken by the central govt and hence it has the larger moral responsibility to take care of the fallout from it. And also the fact that the IDPs are from the FATA areas which comes under the federal govt anyway though thats a seperate issue.

In anyy case, at the crrent moment, both govts have been guilty of not directing enough attention and effort
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PTI said:
Inside the container full version released

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=873568126018942
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That actually resembles those videos following a musician through a long tour/music festival where cheesy jokes are cracked through the day for the camera, and there is a show every night on stage.

Little wonder then that this entire exercise has been futile and Sharif still gets to be PM - the competition is too naive.
 
ECP rejects Punjab govt request to postpone NA-149 by-polls
MULTAN: The Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) on Monday rejected a request put forward by the Punjab government to postpone the upcoming by-election on Multan's NA-149 seat on account of security concerns.

ECP said permitted the government to deploy Rangers personnel at polling stations in light of the stated security concerns in Multan and said the by-polls would be carried out with the security under the Rangers' management.

By-polls on the vacant seat will take place as per the schedule on Oct 16, the ECP said.

The Multan seat had fallen vacant following the resignation of former Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) President Javed Hashmi. National Assembly Speaker Ayaz Sadiq had accepted Hashmi’s resignation from the seat with effect from Aug 18.

Also read: NA-149 by-poll: bumpy road ahead for renegade Hashmi

Hashmi had however announced that he would contest the by-polls as an independent candidate. Moreover, leadership of the Pakistan Muslim League - Nawaz (PML-N) had hinted at supporting Hashmi in the by-election after Hashmi held press conferences alleging that the PTI's sit-ins and protests in Islamabad were part of a ‘conspiracy’ against democracy.
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http://www.dawn.com/news/1137692/ecp-rejects-punjab-govt-request-to-postpone-na-149-by-polls
they seem afraid.
 
Apparently, N league backed Javed Hashmi is facing defeat in the by election from PTI sponsored Aamir Dogar. Only a negative perception of PTI, resulting from the jalsa tragedy could save Hashmi.
 
waqar goraya said:
Apparently, N league backed Javed Hashmi is facing defeat in the by election from PTI sponsored Aamir Dogar. Only a negative perception of PTI, resulting from the jalsa tragedy could save Hashmi.
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Dogar is a non-entity. Hashmi's support is very deep because he has always had the siraiki vote - don't know the complexities of siraiki/muhajir politics, but a lot of people believe in this.

Apart from that, Hashmi is a proper Machiavellian - he'll find a way out, that's for sure.
 
blinding light said:
Dogar is a non-entity. Hashmi's support is very deep because he has always had the siraiki vote - don't know the complexities of siraiki/muhajir politics, but a lot of people believe in this.

Apart from that, Hashmi is a proper Machiavellian - he'll find a way out, that's for sure.
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Rana Sanaullah himself is not very optimistic, Punjab government also filed an application to postpone the polling. Shah Mehmood Qureshi also has a deep support base, it has become their personal issue.
Dogar is not a non-entity as such, he belongs to a family whose members have already been parliamentarians from PPP platform. For some reason he was made the general secretary of PPP in South Punjab.
Anyways, it is going to be a close contest.
 
waqar goraya said:
Rana Sanaullah himself is not very optimistic, Punjab government also filed an application to postpone the polling. Shah Mehmood Qureshi also has a deep support base, it has become their personal issue.
Dogar is not a non-entity as such, he belongs to a family whose members have already been parliamentarians from PPP platform. For some reason he was made the general secretary of PPP in South Punjab.
Anyways, it is going to be a close contest.
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You're not wrong.

I'm not speaking on empirical grounds, but from what my relatives in Multan say - the Hashmi/SMQ/Gillani tussles are deep-rooted, and have a lot to do with the muhajir/siraiki dynamic, with Hashmi being a central figure for the Siraiki speakers.

Let's just see how it pans out, tho.
 
I would like to die with them and be buried in their coffin as it is my family party-Hashmi while referring to PML-N
 
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If Baghi lose this election today, his siaset would be over. That will teach him a lesson.
 
Nawaz Sharif isn't going to go anywhere at this rate.
 
Varun said:
Nawaz Sharif isn't going to go anywhere at this rate.
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This is what we want we dont want him to become a martyr of democracy like Musharraf made him last time and all Nawaz failures were gone in shadows saying look a dictator thrown him away he was working for democracy. The way PTI is doing it is the best way slowly through this process wakeup whole nation and the power of nation will replace him at the right time.

PMLN didn't learn anything from last elections they are rigging again today in Multan elections so Javed Hashmi can win.
 
Strike Rate said:
This is what we want we dont want him to become a martyr of democracy like Musharraf made him last time and all Nawaz failures were gone in shadows saying look a dictator thrown him away he was working for democracy. The way PTI is doing it is the best way slowly through this process wakeup whole nation and the power of nation will replace him at the right time.

PMLN didn't learn anything from last elections they are rigging again today in Multan elections so Javed Hashmi can win.
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Well, for Pakistan's sake hope that works out one way or another.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Imran's sons join him in Dharna <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI">@ImranKhanPTI</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PTI?src=hash">#PTI</a> <a href="http://t.co/oMTpZic6hq">pic.twitter.com/oMTpZic6hq</a></p>— Nadeem Malik (@nadeemmalik) <a href="https://twitter.com/nadeemmalik/status/523886221240446976">October 19, 2014</a></blockquote>
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^^^Some people are complaining about Imran promoting moroosi syasat "Dynastic Politics" by bringing his sons to container. Now these are same people who always complained why Imran doesn't bring his own sons to these protests.

This is in response to criticism about Nawaz Sharif for appointing dozens of family members and close relatives on important posts and Zardari & Bilawal becoming heads of party due to written letter by Benazir.

That proves you are never going to win with these people so just ignore them completely.
 
Waseem said:
^^^Some people are complaining about Imran promoting moroosi syasat "Dynastic Politics" by bringing his sons to container. Now these are same people who always complained why Imran doesn't bring his own sons to these protests.

This is in response to criticism about Nawaz Sharif for appointing dozens of family members and close relatives on important posts and Zardari & Bilawal becoming heads of party due to written letter by Benazir.

That proves you are never going to win with these people so just ignore them completely.
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You are right some people are like 'kisi haal main khush nae' his kids are never going to join politics. The majore reason of Imran divorce was Jemima always wanted IK to say goodbye to politics and settle in England so there is no way her sons are going to settle in Pakistan and become waris of their Father Politics
 
Waseem said:
^^^Some people are complaining about Imran promoting moroosi syasat "Dynastic Politics" by bringing his sons to container. Now these are same people who always complained why Imran doesn't bring his own sons to these protests.

This is in response to criticism about Nawaz Sharif for appointing dozens of family members and close relatives on important posts and Zardari & Bilawal becoming heads of party due to written letter by Benazir.

That proves you are never going to win with these people so just ignore them completely.
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These anti Imran ranters are just cowards and nothing else.
 
PTI haters are just unreasonable. Their reasons are usually lame and only look good in the comedy section. I am yet to see a good reason, why anybody would choose anything other than PTI. The Lion and Arrow symbols don't look cool. If Arabs were to choose symbols for their parties, even they would have cool ones like Ak47 or a sword.
 
^^ True, they try their best to bring in the argument "No difference between PTI and status quo"

After defending their parties decisions to include dozens of family and relatives, they criticise why Imran's sons are on container and ask "What's the difference between PMLN and PTI :)
 
Javed Hashmi, also known as "baaghi", got a phainty there in Multan:))).
 
Just very randomly visited Abid Sher Ali´s Twitter account and found this picture on his profile.....

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Don´t know about other countries, but here in Germany the rescue officials wear this sort of a jacket.
 
DHONI183 said:
Just very randomly visited Abid Sher Ali´s Twitter account and found this picture on his profile.....

Don´t know about other countries, but here in Germany the rescue officials wear this sort of a jacket.
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You only saw pic not his tweets? His tweets are mostly abuse
 
I've heard TUQ has called off his dharna? Is it true?

I'm at uni, and on a deadline, so can't confirm the details atm.
 
blinding light said:
For what reasons?
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There were some backdoor negotiations going on between pmln, ppp and tuq from last couple of weeks and reports were already coming that TUQ will end the dherna soon.

For a face saving he announced we will have dhernas in every city after muharram 2 days dherna in different cities all over pakistan.

Btw i remember listening to Dr Shahid a few days ago where he mentioned PPP leadership contacted PTI a few days ago and assured they will support pti against pmln but pti have to skip this accountability point but IK rejected it but we saw a change in Tuq speeches in last few days he hardly talk about accountability anymore so that was reason of Bilawal attacking PTI in his speech but not a single line against Tuq.

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MRSN said:
apparently they are starting dharnas all over country in 2 days.
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Strike Rate said:
There were some backdoor negotiations going on between pmln, ppp and tuq from last couple of weeks and reports were already coming that TUQ will end the dherna soon.

For a face saving he announced we will have dhernas in every city after muharram 2 days dherna in different cities all over pakistan.

Btw i remember listening to Dr Shahid a few days ago where he mentioned PPP leadership contacted PTI a few days ago and assured they will support pti against pmln but pti have to skip this accountability point but IK rejected it but we saw a change in Tuq speeches in last few days he hardly talk about accountability anymore so that was reason of Bilawal attacking PTI in his speech but not a single line against Tuq.

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Hmm interesting. Thanks for the info, guys.

2-day dharnas in all cities after muharram? Please. TUQ's effort is good as dead.
 
Strike Rate said:
There were some backdoor negotiations going on between pmln, ppp and tuq from last couple of weeks and reports were already coming that TUQ will end the dherna soon.

For a face saving he announced we will have dhernas in every city after muharram 2 days dherna in different cities all over pakistan.

Btw i remember listening to Dr Shahid a few days ago where he mentioned PPP leadership contacted PTI a few days ago and assured they will support pti against pmln but pti have to skip this accountability point but IK rejected it but we saw a change in Tuq speeches in last few days he hardly talk about accountability anymore so that was reason of Bilawal attacking PTI in his speech but not a single line against Tuq.

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after Muharram?Didn't IK or SMQ announced they will stage dharnas all over Pakistan after Muharram as well?
 
MRSN said:
after Muharram?Didn't IK or SMQ announced they will stage dharnas all over Pakistan after Muharram as well?
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PTI will continue this dherna in ISB. THe mentioning of dharna in all over pakistan after Muharram was by Sheikh Rasheed if i remember correctly he mentioned it in Sargodha Jalsa and also hertaals in different cities etc. Btw PTI is going in SC against ECP if they put those form number 14/15 on their website in 1 week.
 
lol at junior shareef ki tweet after Tuq decide to end his dherna
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Strike Rate said:
You only saw pic not his tweets? His tweets are mostly abuse
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That I know, too. I remember him once tweeting to a girl that the day he was born her mother said, "My son-in-law is here!" Disgusting!
 
One_life_stand said:
What happened to dying IK revolution ..oh not to forget he is stealing diesel fuel now..Qadri turned out to be smart....
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Dying revolution? Did you sir just came out of your cave? Maybe you should pay attention to the last few Jalsas of Imran Khan.
 
One_life_stand said:
What happened to dying IK revolution ..oh not to forget he is stealing diesel fuel now..Qadri turned out to be smart....
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Which cave did you just come out of ? The revelation is anything but dying, time to get with it buddy. Unless of course your brain dead and have nothing better to do then to abuse IK. Going by some of your comments in other threads..I'll go with your brain dead
 
Another day, another rigging case proven.

Jahangir Tareen this time who lost by 10,000 votes

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PTI's Sit-ins and Economy

Thousands of people have participated in dharna (sit-ins) every day for the last two months at the D-Chowk in Islamabad. The sit-ins organised by two political parties ie Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) led by Imran Khan against the large-scale vote rigging in May 2013 elections, and Pakistan Awami Tehreek (PAT) led by Dr Tahirul Qadri against the brutal killings of their workers in Model Town, Lahore in June 2014.

Has these sit-ins adversely affected the economic activity in the country? This article attempts to answer this question. The participants of sit-ins arrived in Islamabad's D-Chowk on August 14, 2014. D-Chowk is located on the Constitution Avenue which houses important government buildings. There are no business or commercial activities at the site of two sit-ins. The government has been claiming that PAT-PTI protest has caused billions of rupees loss to the economy, the cost ranging between Rs 300 billion to Rs 1000 billion.

Pakistan's Finance Minister during his recent visit to Washington, D.C. stated that reforms introduced by his government thus far have led to a 'remarkable turnaround' in almost all macroeconomic indicators. He blamed sit-ins for hampering the government's efforts to accelerate economic revival. He also mentioned that sit-ins have "caused four percent depreciation of Pakistani rupee which will cost around Rs 250 billion to country". The Minister also pointed out that "the protest had also affected the stock exchange trading and FDI inflows".

These statistics have no economics foundation. They are, at best, political statements. As will be shown momentarily, Pakistan's economy started losing momentum since January 2014-long before the launch of protests or dharnas. Pakistan's economy grew in the range of 3.3-3.5 percent-the lowest in the last four years and budget deficit surged to 8.4 percent-one of the worst in the country's history ( in the absence of manipulation of statistics) in 2013 -14.

Economic recovery or economic momentum can be represented by the trends in production of large-scale manufacturing (LSM), exports, foreign direct investment etc. The officially released statistics pertaining to LSM clearly suggests that the initial euphoria created by the government began to lose momentum as we entered the second half of the last-fiscal year (2013-14).

The LSM grew at an average of 4.3 percent during the first two months (July-August) of 2013-14, growth accelerated suddenly to 11.4 percent in September and then fell sharply to an average of 3.7 percent during October-November only to accelerate once again to 11.3 percent in December. Looking at the trends of the first half (July-December), the growth numbers for September and December appear to be outliers. My consistent views have been that the LSM numbers for these two months were manipulated. Excluding and including these two months, the LSM grew by 4.0 percent and 6.5 percent, respectively during the first half of the fiscal year 2013-14.

As we entered the second half (January-June), the growth decelerated sharply and posted an average growth of 1.7 percent. The same trend in LSM was observed in July 2014- the first month of the current fiscal year. Hence, industrial production started losing momentum at an accelerated pace much before the beginning of dharna in Islamabad.

A similar trend can be observed in the case of exports. Pakistan's exports grew by 2.0 percent in the first-quarter (July-September) and 4.2 percent in second quarter (October-December) of the fiscal year 2013-14. Accordingly, exports grew by 3.1 percent in the first half (July-December) of the fiscal year. As we entered the second half (January-June) of the year, exports growth not only started decelerating but also started turning negative. Exports growth slowed to an average of 1.4 percent in third quarter (Jan-March) and turned negative (-1.7 percent) in the fourth quarter (April-June). More surprisingly, the fourth quarter exports in absolute term ($6348 million) was the lowest in the corresponding quarter of the last three years (2012-13, 2011-12, and 201-11). It is absolutely clear that exports growth lost momentum much before the dharna in Islamabad. The same negative trend continues to persist in the first quarter (July-September) of the current fiscal year with export, registering a negative growth of 10.2 percent.

The trend in FDI is not different from the LSM and exports. Until July-April 2013-14, FDI was 3.5 percent less than corresponding period of the previous year ($832 million vs $862 million). The sale of 3G licenses alone turned negative growth into positive. If we exclude the sale of 3G licenses ($537 million in May), the total FDI for the year 2013-14 is estimated at $1094 million ($1631 million minus $537 million) as compared with $1456 million in 2012-13, showing a negative growth of 25 percent. The same negative trend continues to persist in the first quarter (July-September) of the current fiscal year with FDI registering a negative growth of 27 percent.

The bottom line is that Pakistan's economy lost its momentum as we entered the second half of the last fiscal year - much before the launch of sit-ins in Islamabad. There are several factors that contributed to the slowdown of Pakistan's economy. These include poor governance, weak economic team, continued mismanagement of energy sector, lack of communication with private sector, little or no focus on economy and a leadership detached from the ground reality. Most importantly, the massacre of Model Town, Lahore in June totally unnerved the investors, both domestic and foreign, as they watched the unfortunate event live on TV screens. Furthermore, the way the government handled the protest and dharna through the unprecedented use of containers, disrupting the flow of goods and trade as well as the firing and shelling of tear gas in front of the seat of the government in Islamabad, again live on TV screens, totally devastated the investment climate in the country. The continued political stalemate in the country is adding fuel to the fire.

The government needs to do some serious soul searching. First, they should not hide themselves behind sit-ins for their failure on economic front. Second, they need to change their style of governance and place right people at the right job. Economic team certainly needs to be strengthened. Third, the Prime Minister must interact with private sector on a regular basis, listen to their grievances and ask the respective ministries to address them on priority basis. Fourth, there is an urgent need to replace non-performing ministers. These are certainly a tall order for a beleaguered government but there is no alternative to the above listed measures.

(The writer is Principal & Dean at NUST School of Social Sciences & Humanities, Islamabad)


http://www.brecorder.com/articles-a-letters/1:/1239384:sit-ins-and-economy/?date=2014-11-03


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MalikMohsin said:
PTI's Sit-ins and Economy
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[/B]The bottom line is that Pakistan's economy lost its momentum as we entered the second half of the last fiscal year - much before the launch of sit-ins in Islamabad. There are several factors that contributed to the slowdown of Pakistan's economy. These include poor governance, weak economic team, continued mismanagement of energy sector, lack of communication with private sector, little or no focus on economy and a leadership detached from the ground reality. Most importantly, the massacre of Model Town, Lahore in June totally unnerved the investors, both domestic and foreign, as they watched the unfortunate event live on TV screens. Furthermore, the way the government handled the protest and dharna through the unprecedented use of containers, disrupting the flow of goods and trade as well as the firing and shelling of tear gas in front of the seat of the government in Islamabad, again live on TV screens, totally devastated the investment climate in the country. The continued political stalemate in the country is adding fuel to the fire.

The government needs to do some serious soul searching. First, they should not hide themselves behind sit-ins for their failure on economic front. Second, they need to change their style of governance and place right people at the right job. Economic team certainly needs to be strengthened. Third, the Prime Minister must interact with private sector on a regular basis, listen to their grievances and ask the respective ministries to address them on priority basis. Fourth, there is an urgent need to replace non-performing ministers. These are certainly a tall order for a beleaguered government but there is no alternative to the above listed measures.

(The writer is Principal & Dean at NUST School of Social Sciences & Humanities, Islamabad)
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its so disappointing that after being shown this a billion times on this thread you completely buried your head in the sand when it came to anyone at all showing you black and white proof that the articles you were quoting fantasising and inflating the economic costs of the protests were political bs. you ignored, denied and ran away from any kind of responsible response.

at least finally, now, youre showing some degree of flexibility in debate on what was a completely incorrect position of yours, which you seemed to use as a pivot for all your criticism of the pti.

i dont know who this author is, so dont know how well hes qualified to make his statements, but they make sense to me. but as several of us have highlighted before in this thread, you just need to be able to type 'chart of karachi stock index' in google to see how blatant the lies are about the damage caused by the dharnas.

you should be thoroughly embarrassed of yourself.
 
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I have always shown some degree of flexibility. My past record suggests i have not spared anyone not even PMLN. I still stand by what i said earlier. When it comes to Imran Khan, Imranistan goes nut. They are the one who resorted to personal insults, engaged character assassination and made grave accusation without proof, not me.

You should preach that advice to your fellow Imranistan.
 
MalikMohsin said:
[MENTION=3393]godzilla[/MENTION]

I have always shown some degree of flexibility. My past record suggests i have not spared anyone not even PMLN. I still stand by what i said earlier. When it comes to Imran Khan, Imranistan goes nut. They are the one who resorted to personal insults, engaged character assassination and made grave accusation without proof, not me.

You should preach that advice to your fellow Imranistan.
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youre doing it again. denial. i havent seen any occasion where you acknowledged let alone responded to the replies that posters here took their time to write in reaction to the false economic propaganda and lies (to use your terminology) that you have repeated again and again in this thread. theres no fault in not having the wherewithal or intelligence to understand something beyond one's training, there is fault in wilful refusal to understand, particularly when combined with propaganda and accusations that affect peoples lives.

dont try to change the subject by pointing at other people's faults, what "imranistanis" do is a different discussion, this is about you unashamedly and blatantly spreading falsehood, and standing by it in either an arrogant or foolish stubbornness, when everyone was telling you it was falsehood. its disgusting.
 
and how can you stand by what you said earlier - accusing the pti of massive economic impairment, when this latest article youve posted contradicts that in the most vociferous terms?? short of schizophrenia, i cant understand which position you actually do stand by.
 
Today article clarifies certain matter now. It doesn't change the fact that the article from legit source did attest to some damage done to economy of Pakistan, not to mention civil disobedience. You cannot blame on me when the articles from legit source also attested to that.
 
is this another example of your flexibility?

absolutely you can be blamed 1) because you kept putting up these articles 2) they werent from legitimate or intelligent (at any rate) journalists given c) they were absolutely and categorically false. 90 odd % of the losses they claimed were currency and stock market related which are NOT losses. the article today just repeated what loads of us said all along that you ignored - so yes absolutely, you are entirely responsible for that.

its the last post from me on this sub-topic, but i dont know how you can sleep at night both misleading people and then denying it afterwards, on a topic that affects peoples lives.
 
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I am showing flexibility and already have. You are the one who turned blind and still do when it comes to Imran Khan.

I did put those articles. Feel free to refutate those articles written by Authors, not me. If blaming me can help you get sleep at night, then have fun.

Spoken like Imranistan blaming me for misleading people. What else can i expect from Imranistan? :facepalm:


If there is anyone who can mislead people, it is Imran Khan and Nawaz Sharif. People listen to them, not me. I am nobody as my influence is pretty much end with me.
 
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Several articles attest to damage done on Pakistan economy

ISLAMABAD: Federal Finance Minister Ishaq Dar has said that Pakistan has suffered economic losses of RS450 billion due to ongoing protests being staged by Imran Khan and Dr. Tahir ul Qadri.
Addressing a press conference here on Sunday, Dar said an IMF delegation has called off its visit to Pakistan due to security reasons. “IMF officials are surprised whatever is happening in Pakistan,” he said.
“Pakistan is progressing economically. What is the objective of this protest?” he asked.
Commenting on Imran Khan’s addresses, he said that there was a terrible situation in the country. “Some things are very strange,” he commented.
He was of the view that Nawaz Sharif may ask Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif to step down. – SAMAA

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ISLAMABAD: Governor Punjab, Chaudhry Muhammad Sarwar has said that protest demonstrations and sit-ins launched by Pakistan Tehrik e Insaf (PTI) and Pakistan Awami Tehrik (PAT), had badly hit the economy of the country.

He said that leaders of China, Sri Lanka and Qatar could not visit Pakistan due to these protests and sit-ins.

Governor Punjab said that the leaders of PTI and PAT should start dialogue and resolve the issues in the larger interest of the public.

He said that both the leaders should show political maturity in resolving the matter.

He said that PAT and PTI should work for enhancing education, resolving the issues of clean drinking water and strengthening the economy of the country. (APP)

http://www.samaa.tv/pakistan/05-Oct-2014/pat-pti-protest-sit-in-affect-economy-says-ch-sarwar

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ISLAMABAD: Asian Development Bank President Takehiko Nakao warned Wednesday an ongoing political impasse could damage Pakistan's recently stabilised economy, as the country's finance minister said Islamabad would miss its growth target due to recent floods.

Speaking at a joint press conference, Nakao and finance minister Ishaq Dar praised the government of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif for improving the macro-economic outlook and pursuing a liberalisation agenda.

"Today we are seeing the growth rate is picking up, the inflation rate is becoming more managed, and foreign reserve (has picked up) -- and the exchange rate is becoming stabilised so it is really a remarkable achievement by the government," he said.

"What is important is the...continuation of democracy. I am so glad to see the peaceful and democratic transition of government last year," he continued.

Last year's general election was the first time a civilian government handed over power to another in a country that has been ruled for more than half its existence by the dominating army.

But protesters led by opposition leader Imran Khan and a populist cleric have camped outside parliament for nearly a month demanding Sharif resign, alleging he rigged the poll, which local and foreign observers rated as credible.

Pakistan's government has said the crisis has cost the exchequer billions of rupees (millions of dollars) and deterred foreign investment after ratings agency Moody's upgraded the country's outlook from negative to stable.

Speaking to AFP, Nakao said: "It's a very difficult to tell what should be the impact of this political impasse. We don't have any estimate about it. If it prolongs there is more damage and if it is solved quickly the damage will be more managed."

Nakao added that the bank, which is set to provide $5 billion to Pakistan over the next five years in assistance particularly in energy and infrastructure sector, would extend flood relief to the country after an assessment report was completed.

At least 296 people have died in this years flooding, which has also damaged 2.2 million acres of farmland in the breadbasket Punjab.

Dar said the damage would affect Pakistan's growth target of five percent for the fiscal. "It will have a bearing on our GDP, we have a major agricultural loss in Punjab. We have budgeted for and projected (growth) at five percent," he said. (AFP)

http://www.samaa.tv/economy/17-Sep-2014/political-impasse-likely-to-hit-pakistan-economy-adb

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Imran, Qadri inflict massive damage on Pakistan

ISLAMABAD: Apart from the monumental damage that Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan and Pakistan Awami Tehreek (PAT) chief Dr Tahirul Qadri’s sit-ins have caused to Pakistan, its economy, politic and several other aspects, the gigantic disaster they have brought about is the postponement of the Chinese president to Pakistan.



He was going to sign several agreements worth $34 billion, which was to give a big boost to Pakistan’s economy. When hardly any country is prepared to take the risk of investing in Pakistan, China was making liberal investments, which too received a jolt by these meaningless protests. Apart from the deferment of the visit, the sit-ins sent a very negative message to the time-tested friend.



If these protests, as widely believed and alleged, were part of an international conspiracy to undercut China’s massive economic investment in Pakistan and strengthening of its strategic partnership with Islamabad, this plan fully succeeded with the postponement of the visit that rarely takes place. The two cousins deserve kudos and congratulations for this ‘achievement’. The Chinese investment was also meant for development of the economic corridor and Gwadar port that was going to serve Pakistan in the time to come.



Both Imran Khan and Dr Qadri will have to face the nation and answer questions about the havoc they have played with Pakistan especially the cancellation of the Chinese president’s visit. Their claim that the Nawaz Sharif government is responsible for the postponement was bizarre. There were no signs of remorse on their faces. Instead they preferred to be obsessed with petty theatrics that is not going to bring any political dividends for them. This is the third important visit that has been cancelled due to the situation created by the PTI and PAT. Earlier the Maldives and Sri Lankan presidents called off their trips.



Meanwhile, despite feverish attempts to break the monolithic unity of the Parliament by the scriptwriter, the legislature holds its ground as it is speaking with one voice in support of the democratic system, supremacy of Parliament and Constitution, and Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif.



However, nobody in the Parliament was oblivious of the devious efforts by the scriptwriter. It is a good realization that not only the government but most MPs are also fully aware that the war was still on from those who want to wrap up the system as they are passionately egging on Imran Khan and Dr Qadri not to budge from their present stand and rather create an ugly scene.



On one side is the unwavering rare unanimity and consensus prevailing in the Parliament for democracy and Constitution while on the other is the frustration running high in the PTI, which is faced with fragmentation and split. A majority of Imran Khan’s lawmakers is not ready to honour his call to vacate seats of the legislatures. Additionally, the PTI chief is confronted with daily depletion of participants of the sit-in, which often sees empty chairs. If this rising disinterest continued, Imran Khan will finally be left alone there.



Never ever in Pakistan’s history the Parliament, composed of heterogeneous elements, has demonstrated such exceptional closing of ranks as it has done now. None has fallen in the trap of the scriptwriter except Imran Khan and Dr Qadri. This is what raises hopes and expectations for not only continuation of the democratic dispensation but also its strengthening and taking roots. But the MPs are vigilant about the continuing intrigues against the system.



Whether it was the Pakistan People’s Party, the Awami National Party, the Jamiat Ahle Hadit or the Pakistan Muslim League-Q (PML-Q), all of its speakers tore apart the conspiracy against the Parliament and challenged the plotters. They also ridiculed the two revolutions. “Where are the peasants, labourers, clerks and artists if Qadri is leading a genuine revolution? It is like haves saying we are have-nots,” PPP Senator Raza Rabbani, who delivered a powerful speech, said.



When the notorious Article 58(2(b) existed in the Constitution, the establishment used to get rid of elected governments through presidential hammer. “Now, it is the proxy mode by bringing puppets on streets in play to dump democracy,” he said.



Rabbani correctly read the lethal attack of Dr Qadri on the PPP and its founder, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, and believed that the PAT chief launched this blistering assault only after his ‘strings’ were pulled by those who were desperate to pull down the Parliament and play havoc with the Constitution.



He opined that the attack on the Parliament was meant to convey a loud and clear message that this is what “we can also do. But we tell them that all the MPs will lay down their lives but will not allow desecration of the Parliament.” Another sensible and saner voice was that of PML-Q Senator Mushahid Hussain, whose top party leadership (Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain and Pervez Elahi) not only stands with Qadri in demolishing the system but is more desperate to destroy everything. However, Mushahid Hussain has consciously kept himself away from this politics and had not been seen even once with Dr Qadri. He asked the speaker not to accept resignations of PTI MPs.



Mushahid Hussain asked the prime minister to shun mogul mindset and work in collaboration with all other institutions. “No martial law is being imposed,” he said and appreciated Nawaz Sharif for appointing a thoroughly professional solider as the army chief. “Raheel Sharif is a thinking general unlike most others.”



“Focus must be on delivery; give respect to Parliament; the prime minister should be more inclusive; mufti-khaki relations should be smooth and there should be close relations between them; the government is still a one-man show; no single institution can resolve problems; we have to collectively work with large-heartedness; there are now multiple power centres in Pakistan; and it is now a changed Pakistan.”



Some of Federal Minister Ahsan Iqbal’s assertions aptly portrayed the prevailing situation. “Dr Qadri talks about blood in his ‘Urdu revolution’ and peace in his ‘English revolution’; and even a ‘Bucha, Sukka’ would have attracted 2 million people had he issued so many appeals as Imran Khan and Qadri have done for 20 days etc.”



The PTI chairman, whose party secured the second highest number of popular votes in the 2013 general elections, is such an ‘intelligent’ politician Pakistan has never witnessed that as part of the conspiracy against democracy and the Constitution he has chosen to stand with discredited Dr Qadri, who has no electoral standing whatsoever and doesn’t believe in the democratic system. This marks a huge fall of Imran Khan with a bang.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-2-271110-Imran-Qadri-inflict-massive-damage-on-Pakistan


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Political confrontation to damage economy; Fears traders

ISLAMABAD, Aug 8 (INP): Islamabad Chamber of Commerce & Industry has showed great concern over the rising political instability as it will affect the business activities and hurt the overall economy.

Muhammad Ali Mirza, Acting President, Islamabad Chamber of Commerce & Industry said the country could not afford political instability and called upon all the political leaders to rise above their vested interests and put their heads together for defusing the prevailing tension. He said due to terrorism, law & order situation and energy crisis, our economy is already in trouble while any confrontation will push the country towards further downfall.

He said businessmen of federal capital have already suffered huge losses due to political sit-ins & marches and they will suffer more due to forthcoming Azadi March. He said as per Economic Survey 2013-14, economic of Pakistan has already a loss of more than US$ 102 billion due to war on terror and if the country was pushed to further instability, it will prove destructive for the nation.

Muhammad Ali Mirza said Pakistan needs to grow at the rate of 7 to 10 percent per annum to come out of the group of low income countries, but was afraid that the circumstances like the prevailing confrontation will create more challenges for the country.

He said political stability is the key for economic stability as no nation could achieve better economic growth in an environment of instability. He said due to rising political tension, investors would not come to Pakistan, trade and industry would badly suffer, internal and external threats would increase and anti-state elements would exploit the situation to further weaken the country.

He said our neighbors China and India are making sound economic progress and if we could not set our own house in order, we will be left far behind economically.

He said our brave armed forces are engaged to eliminate the terrorism while the country has to rehabilitate the IDPs and Pakistan needs stable government to cope with these challenges.

He called upon all the political leaders to realize the sensitivity of the situation and come forward to play their positive role in defusing the tense situation in order to establish political stability in the country so that business community could focus on promoting business activities and economy could move towards improvement.

http://dailythepatriot.com/political-confrontation-to-damage-economy-fears-traders/

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We will not allow to converting Azadi March into destruction march: Shahbaz Sharif


Lahore: Punjab Chief Minister Muhammad Shahbaz Sharif has said that what we are today is all due to Pakistan. He said that we will not allow to converting Azadi March into destruction march. The Chief Minister said that it is unbelievable that any patriotic Pakistani can say these words “traders should not pay tax, people not pay bills and overseas Pakistanis stop sending foreign exchange”. He appealed to Imran Khan not to take revenge of failure of sit-in from Pakistan.

He was talking to Assembly Members, here today. The Chief Minister said that those who were demanding resignation are now talking about resigning themselves. What kind of U-turn is this, he questioned. He said that the whole nation has proved that it will not accept any unconstitutional demand of the protesting elements. He said that an attempt is being made to play with the future of Pakistan by making a shield of women and children.

Shahbaz Sharif thanked traders’ community, industrialists and the whole nation for totally rejecting the call of civil disobedience and said that no patriotic Pakistani has supported this announcement. He said that people of Pakistan can differentiate between the right and the wrong. He said that after the demand for technocrat government, the call for civil disobedience has totally divided Tehrik-e-Insaf. He said that Imran Khan has set world record for changing his stances and he is now isolated in politics due to his stubbornness.

The Chief Minister said that it is unfortunate that a Pakistani has declared Gandhi as his leader instead of Quaid-e-Azam. Similarly, Imran Khan has perturbed the souls of the martyrs of Pakistan Movement through his Azadi March. He said that Quaid-e-Azam is not the leader of Muslim League alone but of 18 crore people of Pakistan. He said that Pakistan Muslim League-N has always given preference to national interests over personal and political ends. He said that masses are the pivot of politics of Pakistan Muslim League-N and it is ready to make every sacrifice for the country.

http://lahoreworld.com/2014/08/19/w...azadi-march-destruction-march-shahbaz-sharif/


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There are more articles where that come true. But don't blame on posters for posting the articles. Blame on those who cannot refute the allegation from the articles, so they resort to engage character assassination and make grave accusation without evidence.

I simply post regardless of what the articles say. You have problem with articles? Take your issues with them. Seriously, only Imranistan can be stupid enough to blame on certain member for posting the articles.
 
MalikMohsin said:
I simply post regardless of what the articles say. You have problem with articles? Take your issues with them. Seriously, only Imranistan can be stupid enough to blame on certain member for posting the articles.
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Not really, MM bhai by posting these articles you should atleast be ready to debate the merit of these articles.

Through out the thread, you have refused debating them, saying "take it up with the author", which is poor form, which is why some posters have taken offence to that.

What is the point of posting articles without any meaningful debate?
 
Ismailtoca said:
Not really, MM bhai by posting these articles you should atleast be ready to debate the merit of these articles.

Through out the thread, you have refused debating them, saying "take it up with the author", which is poor form, which is why some posters have taken offence to that.

What is the point of posting articles without any meaningful debate?
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I agree but that doesn't change the fact you or anyone for that matter cannot force me to debate against my will.

I post the articles for awareness as anyone would. I don't mind learning from pro-PTI and anti-PTI as long as there is something good come out of this debate [knowledge]. I don't live in Pakistan so i rely mostly on members to gain perspective those who live in Pakistan and has ground reality information. :mv
 
Varun said:
I like Imran Khan, but this is an interesting article on the BBC about this march and its lackadaisical output: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-29845232
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In these 2 months the rigging has been proven in all the constituencies that were investigated. In one case they even found garbage instead of ballot papers and massive irregularities. Now Imran has option to pursue his case or just accept that rigging is part of parcel which most people want him to do but he is not average guy who wants to move on without punishing the culprits.
 
Need some astute planning and game-plan for 30 Nov becuase atm its Nawaz Sharif 1-0 Imran
 
Kianig89 said:
Need some astute planning and game-plan for 30 Nov becuase atm its Nawaz Sharif 1-0 Imran
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you misunderstand. Before the march its been Nawaz 1 Imran -5. It is now 1-0. Imran lost the election remember so Nawaz already had the upper hand. What Imran has managed to do is galvanise people and raise these issues. He has succeeded in putting himself above these people and they hate him for it. This is a marathon not a sprint. Things are brewing.
 
Waseem said:
In these 2 months the rigging has been proven in all the constituencies that were investigated. In one case they even found garbage instead of ballot papers and massive irregularities. Now Imran has option to pursue his case or just accept that rigging is part of parcel which most people want him to do but he is not average guy who wants to move on without punishing the culprits.
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Really, i thought most reports I read was that rigging was either not there or on a very less scale
 
Indiafan said:
Really, i thought most reports I read was that rigging was either not there or on a very less scale
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This report is from Dawn for one of 4 constituencies Imran had been demanding since day 1 but they kept taking stay orders
Commission finds irregularities in NA-125 election
http://www.dawn.com/news/1135883

This is another one where PTI candidate had to spend about Rs 6 Million only to get the investigations going, again Nawaz Sharif party had taken stay order on this to stop recounting.
Electoral fraud: NADRA finds rigging in records of NA-118
http://tribune.com.pk/story/719730/electoral-fraud-nadra-finds-rigging-in-records-of-na-118/


This is another one where stay order had been taken and finally investigations have started after 1.5 years. Interestingly PTI's candidate who was leading by about 30,000 votes at night only managed to grab another 4000 votes in the morning whereas his opponent doubles his vote count from 40,000 to 80000+ to win :)
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...rigging-found-in-Jahangir-Tareen-constituency

Imran Khan also lost to his opponent in Lahore on National Assembly seat, they have been taking stay orders till now but investigations on provincial Assembly seat under him has already proven rigging as his votes were found in bags of his own candidate in provincial assembly.

So yes, after all this Imran can ignore and move on or take a stand which he is doing.
 
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IMRAN WITHDRAWS PM'S RESIGNATION DEMAND

ISLAMABAD - In what appears to be a clear shift in his earlier stance, PTI chief Imran Khan Thursday, withdrawing from his demand that fair probe into rigging in general elections could not be held as long as Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif would remain in his office, hinted that the prime minister could continue with his office till rigging is proved through an inquiry.
Imran Khan while addressing his supporters at the Constitution Avenue of the capital asked the Supreme Court to hold an investigation into massive rigging in general elections. “The Supreme Court should hold an inquiry within one month and the sit-in would continue till that period,” Khan said.

He proposed the name of Justice (r) Nasir Aslam Zahid as the head of the proposed SC Commission for rigging investigation. At the same time, Khan remarked that if rigging in elections is proved, the resignation of the prime minster should be ensured and if not, they would end their sit-in.

In his speech, Khan also opposed the idea of carving out new provinces in the country. He said that creation of new provinces would neither bring change nor solve the problems of the masses.

The PTI chief also called Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi an honest man, adding that they should learn lesson from the neighbouring country. Giving the example of the Indian premier he said he had given a list of 627 people to Swiss authorities and asked them to return the looted money of the country.

Imran Khan said that both Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and former president Asif Ali Zardari have stashed their ill-gotten money in Swiss banks and that was the reason they had never thought to take such a step. He said that Nawaz Sharif, despite being a billionaire, had paid merely Rs5,000 tax in last five years. He alleged that Asif Zardari and Nawaz Sharif were biggest tax evaders.
PTI chief claimed that government was contemplating increasing the electricity tariff by another Rs1.5 per unit. He accepted that the proper forum to highlight such issues was parliament but said that the most of the lawmakers in the present parliament had come through rigging; hence, this platform had lost its value.

http://nation.com.pk/national/07-Nov-2014/imran-withdraws-pm-s-resignation-demand
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Well, well :13:

End of October/Early November. Perfectly coincides with another deadline.
 
blinding light said:
IMRAN WITHDRAWS PM'S RESIGNATION DEMAND

Well, well :13:

End of October/Early November. Perfectly coincides with another deadline.
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Bit too much reading/twisting...pay attention to the part which says dharna will end if commission proves election was clean and that's not gonna happen. PMLN has no balls to go for investigation.
 
ISLAMABAD - In what appears to be a clear shift in his earlier stance, PTI chief Imran Khan Thursday, withdrawing from his demand that fair probe into rigging in general elections could not be held as long as Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif would remain in his office, hinted that the prime minister could continue with his office till rigging is proved through an inquiry.

Imran Khan while addressing his supporters at the Constitution Avenue of the capital asked the Supreme Court to hold an investigation into massive rigging in general elections. “The Supreme Court should hold an inquiry within one month and the sit-in would continue till that period,” Khan said.

He proposed the name of Justice (r) Nasir Aslam Zahid as the head of the proposed SC Commission for rigging investigation. At the same time, Khan remarked that if rigging in elections is proved, the resignation of the prime minster should be ensured and if not, they would end their sit-in.

In his speech, Khan also opposed the idea of carving out new provinces in the country. He said that creation of new provinces would neither bring change nor solve the problems of the masses.

The PTI chief also called Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi an honest man, adding that they should learn lesson from the neighbouring country. Giving the example of the Indian premier he said he had given a list of 627 people to Swiss authorities and asked them to return the looted money of the country.

Imran Khan said that both Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and former president Asif Ali Zardari have stashed their ill-gotten money in Swiss banks and that was the reason they had never thought to take such a step. He said that Nawaz Sharif, despite being a billionaire, had paid merely Rs5,000 tax in last five years. He alleged that Asif Zardari and Nawaz Sharif were biggest tax evaders.

PTI chief claimed that government was contemplating increasing the electricity tariff by another Rs1.5 per unit. He accepted that the proper forum to highlight such issues was parliament but said that the most of the lawmakers in the present parliament had come through rigging; hence, this platform had lost its value.
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Thank for posting the article. [MENTION=14431]blinding light[/MENTION]
 
zimmz said:
Bit too much reading/twisting...pay attention to the part which says dharna will end if commission proves election was clean and that's not gonna happen. PMLN has no balls to go for investigation.
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Please. What happened to "I'll get the asteefa or I will die here" ?

He's asking for a SC commission to look into it. While NS is PM.... That is a step back from his org stand
 
blinding light said:
Please. What happened to "I'll get the asteefa or I will die here" ?

He's asking for a SC commission to look into it. While NS is PM.... That is a step back from his org stand
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What happened to the "We will get rid of load shedding"? Same thing happened here.
 
blinding light said:
Please. What happened to "I'll get the asteefa or I will die here" ?

He's asking for a SC commission to look into it. While NS is PM.... That is a step back from his org stand
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If you were not asleep, he said few days aog that if NS declare his assets PTI will stop the dharna. Similarly he said if Bilawal ask his father to declare assets then he will recognize him as a leader.

Now where do you see him stepping back? You know that all three cases are hypothetical and knowing Pakistani crooks, none of them gonna come true so where is "stepping back"?

No way nooras gonna setup free n fair comission to investigate their chori unless they are dead sure that they can tamper the proofs or offical reports, and buy out the comission members.

So chill out IK is not going any where without any significant outcome (waking up lot more people is already significant but....).
 
Indiafan said:
Really, i thought most reports I read was that rigging was either not there or on a very less scale
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Rigging is there and every party, including PML-N, agrees to that.

The issue here is that PTI says that there was a concerted effort to rig the elections in someone's favor while the government says that while the rigging was there, they were not party to it and it is not possible to audit it fairly enough to apportion blame to anyone as many of the votes are unverified.

In either case, imo, the elections should be declared void. It doesn't matter whether PML-N rigged them or not if it is beyond doubt that they were not fair and there was enough rigging for there to be an impact on the results.

That much is clear. Its not even for PTI's sake. For strengthening democracy for future generations this much is necessary. Otherwise there is no difference between what we have now and a military dictatorship as in both cases the will and mandate of the people is not taken into account fairly when the government is formed,
 
zimmz said:
If you were not asleep, he said few days aog that if NS declare his assets PTI will stop the dharna. Similarly he said if Bilawal ask his father to declare assets then he will recognize him as a leader.

Now where do you see him stepping back? You know that all three cases are hypothetical and knowing Pakistani crooks, none of them gonna come true so where is "stepping back"?

No way nooras gonna setup free n fair comission to investigate their chori unless they are dead sure that they can tamper the proofs or offical reports, and buy out the comission members.

So chill out IK is not going any where without any significant outcome (waking up lot more people is already significant but....).
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Drop that tone, okay. I may not have posted, but I was well aware of that. And it is a departure from the original stand. Its making the dharna fundamentally conditional, and the conditions being set forth now are not as stringent or monumental as the PM's resignation. Its reliant more on the stance that PMLN will respond this way - which is a departure from their do or die approach.
 
blinding light said:
I may not have posted, but I was well aware of that. And it is a departure from the original stand. Its making the dharna fundamentally conditional, and the conditions being set forth now are not as stringent or monumental as the PM's resignation. Its reliant more on the stance that PMLN will respond this way - which is a departure from their do or die approach.
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...if that floats your boat!

blinding light said:
Drop that tone, okay.
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ok, fine, thank you , bye :ik2
 
zimmz said:
If you were not asleep, he said few days aog that if NS declare his assets PTI will stop the dharna. Similarly he said if Bilawal ask his father to declare assets then he will recognize him as a leader.

Now where do you see him stepping back? You know that all three cases are hypothetical and knowing Pakistani crooks, none of them gonna come true so where is "stepping back"?

No way nooras gonna setup free n fair comission to investigate their chori unless they are dead sure that they can tamper the proofs or offical reports, and buy out the comission members.

So chill out IK is not going any where without any significant outcome (waking up lot more people is already significant but....).
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That's the problem with us, we concentrate on the bit that suits us ignoring the bigger picture.
If Nawaz Sharif declares his assets, we will end dharna......no one cares about much bigger issue of Nawaz's assets but look Imran took a U turn, he is looking for excuses to end dharna. If he wanted short cuts then why would he stay there for almost 3 months???
 
Waseem said:
That's the problem with us, we concentrate on the bit that suits us ignoring the bigger picture.
If Nawaz Sharif declares his assets, we will end dharna......no one cares about much bigger issue of Nawaz's assets but look Imran took a U turn, he is looking for excuses to end dharna. If he wanted short cuts then why would he stay there for almost 3 months???
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Think of these IK's challenges as "space for breathing" to media and his opponents. They are angry with his stance about PM resignation and as soon they hear/read alternatives from IK, they get the opportunity to twist/spin the situation hoping it will make IK/PTI look bad :)) poor things...tch tch
 
Waseem said:
That's the problem with us, we concentrate on the bit that suits us ignoring the bigger picture.
If Nawaz Sharif declares his assets, we will end dharna......no one cares about much bigger issue of Nawaz's assets but look Imran took a U turn, he is looking for excuses to end dharna. If he wanted short cuts then why would he stay there for almost 3 months???
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absolutely spot on. not being able to see the wood for the trees has to be a case of either a diseased mind or diseased vision.
 
KarachiKing said:
Rigging is there and every party, including PML-N, agrees to that.

The issue here is that PTI says that there was a concerted effort to rig the elections in someone's favor while the government says that while the rigging was there, they were not party to it and it is not possible to audit it fairly enough to apportion blame to anyone as many of the votes are unverified.

In either case, imo, the elections should be declared void. It doesn't matter whether PML-N rigged them or not if it is beyond doubt that they were not fair and there was enough rigging for there to be an impact on the results.

That much is clear. Its not even for PTI's sake. For strengthening democracy for future generations this much is necessary. Otherwise there is no difference between what we have now and a military dictatorship as in both cases the will and mandate of the people is not taken into account fairly when the government is formed,
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completely agree with this, excellent post.
 
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