Putin offers ‘blank cheque’ to Pakistan

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When Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov visited Islamabad last week after a gap of nine years, he had delivered an "important" message to the Pakistani leadership. The message was from President Vladimir Putin.

"I came with a message from my president that tell Pakistan we are open for any cooperation, whatever Pakistan needs Russia is ready for it," Lavrov was quoted by a senior Pakistani official, who attended the closed door meeting between the Russian foreign minister and Pakistani authorities, as saying.

"In other words, the Russian president offered us a blank cheque," said the official, who requested not to be named because of the sensitivity of the issue.

The official revealed that Putin had conveyed to Pakistan through his top diplomat that Moscow would help Islamabad in any manner. "If you're interested in gas pipelines, corridors, defence or any other cooperation, Russia stands ready for it," the official quoted FM Lavrov as saying when asked what he meant by "blank cheque".

Pakistan and Russia are already working on the North-South gas pipeline project. The two sides had entered into the agreement in 2015 to lay a pipeline from Karachi to Lahore. The project is estimated to cost $2 billion.

The work on the pipeline could not kick off because of possible American sanctions. The two sides, however, recently agreed to approve a new structure that would pave the way for the start of the work.

Russia is also keen to revive the Pakistan Steel Mills, which it originally built. Similarly, Moscow has interest in hydroelectric projects. Overall, Russia is thought to be willing to make $8 billion investment in different areas.

"It is now up to us to follow up this successful visit," the official said.

When asked the possibility of Pakistan acquiring Russian air defence systems, the official said he could not talk about the specifics but Russia had shown willingness to expand the cooperation with Pakistan.

At the joint news conference with his Pakistani counterpart, the Russian foreign minister had said Moscow was ready to supply Pakistan with "special military equipment" to enhance its anti-terrorists potential. He, however, did not provide further details.

Relations between Pakistan and Russia have undergone transformation in recent years thanks to the new alignments and strategic realities.

The rapprochement between the former Cold War rivals began in 2011 when Pakistan's relationship with the US hit the rock bottom. At that time, a decision was taken to bring a strategic shift in Pakistan’s foreign policy. The shift envisaged reaching out to Russia as part of Pakistan’s efforts to diversify its foreign policy options.

The two countries initially worked quietly to find common ground. The years-long efforts had resulted in the Russian decision to send its troops to Pakistan for the first time in history for joint exercises in 2016. Moscow even overruled the Indian objections over holding joint drills with Pakistan.

Since then, the two countries have been regularly holding these exercises and they are looking to further deepen that cooperation.

Pakistan is hoping that Russian President Vladimir Putin would visit the country, something that would complete the Pak-Russia ties from being Cold War foes to friends.

In contrast, Russian ties with once its solid ally India are heading in the opposite direction. The two still have good relationship but the usual warmth they expressed earlier have been missing.

It was rare that the Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi did not give audience to a visiting Russian foreign minister. Russia is concerned that Indian tilt towards the US would pose threat to its interests.

It was because of these reasons, Lavrov, both in New Delhi and Islamabad, indirectly objected to the grouping of US, India, Japan and Australia.

These developments are bringing countries such as Russia, China and Pakistan together.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/229426...RCMHZFeS1HVnpTSTdlOXdJV19VSmJRbzRROVktUFZYUlI
 
It was rare that the Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi did not give audience to a visiting Russian foreign minister. Russia is concerned that Indian tilt towards the US would pose threat to its interests.

It was because of these reasons, Lavrov, both in New Delhi and Islamabad, indirectly objected to the grouping of US, India, Japan and Australia.



https://tribune.com.pk/story/229426...RCMHZFeS1HVnpTSTdlOXdJV19VSmJRbzRROVktUFZYUlI

Pretty much the above... Russians letting Indians know how they feel about getting close to the US.... India has to pull out of the S400 now imo..
 
Pretty much the above... Russians letting Indians know how they feel about getting close to the US.... India has to pull out of the S400 now imo..

Will be crazy of the Indians to back out of the S400 deal. It will seriously damage their standing in front of their traditional allies. Ludicrous.

From a Pakistani point of view it would be great if they pull out of the sale.

The so called "blank cheque" is a response to changes in the region. You can see the sudden trip to Germany, the visit of Russia and now the statement from Putin. Big things are cooking in the region and the US is increasingly looking like it is being kicked out of eurasia. India needs to get on board with the rest of us and learn to play a double game with the americans. They are not worth it. Trust us. we know.
 
Now pakistan can directly deal with Russia without middleman China, both countries can now save lots of money.
 
As nice as this sounds it doesn't mean much. Undoubtedly, Russian and Pakistani interests are converging in a number of areas, but this is more signaling to India than genuinely wanting to get close to Pakistan.

The Russian economy is weak and India, being the largest market for Russian defence hardware means alot to Russia. This will change as India gets closer to the US. The US is already dropping hints that it is not happy with India acquiring Russian defence hardware.

India can be quietly bullied into increasing their reliance on American weaponry, but Russia will be badly hurt if it loses its biggest customer because there are not alot of countries that Russia can sell their weapons to because of the sanctions blowback from US (India basically has a clean chit). And not alot of them have deep pockets like India either. Not to mention, India and Russia, historically have had a very close relationship that dates back to the 50s. That won't just evaporate overnight.

Pakistan will probably buy some counterterrorism (CT) equipment from Russia and cooperate with them in areas like CT, LNG, Afghanistan, military-to-military. But Pakistan has no reason to buy Russian weaponry and risk sanctions. For the moment, the relationship with Russia will stay the same. But as the US-Indo alliance intensifies than that will only bring Russia, China and Pakistan closer in the region. For now, its too early to say much. But the visit of FM Lavrov is a welcome first step
 
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Russia sells arms to many nations, it's for money mainly.

Since India has become closer to US, Russians see this is in a negative way and are countering this by getting closer to Pakistan. Russia is now an Orthodox Christian nation, a big negative for Zionist powers.

India dancing with the devil aka USA government is very risky. the Yanks dont care about Indians, it's only for their own interests.
 
its hardly a blank cheque if they want to take state industries over like pak steel and power plants, just money making schemes pakistanis have no idea how to run.
 
stuck between a Rock and a hard place.. But if there's any country that can manage this, it's India. That's due to their history of not overtly relying on any power. US needs India in Asia as much as India needs US. The people to people contacts are robust. Indian economy is still a magnet. If at all, Modi's friendship with Trump caused a bit of damage but that will ease as countries align for their own strategic advantages.
 
Will be crazy of the Indians to back out of the S400 deal. It will seriously damage their standing in front of their traditional allies. Ludicrous.

I understand what you are saying, however if you look it, the Russians are very financially dependent on the Chinese.

Strong likely hood the Chinese would get source codes or be able to produce Jamming software with the Help of the Russians to make the Indian S400 ineffective during a war.

Not only that, the S400 along with Chinese hacker vulnerability will also limit how much high tech defense equipment India can buy from the US. Its a bad deal for India both ways.


From a Pakistani point of view it would be great if they pull out of the sale.

The so called "blank cheque" is a response to changes in the region. You can see the sudden trip to Germany, the visit of Russia and now the statement from Putin. Big things are cooking in the region and the US is increasingly looking like it is being kicked out of eurasia. India needs to get on board with the rest of us and learn to play a double game with the americans. They are not worth it. Trust us. we know.

Problem is that Chinese just cannot be trusted, Americans imo is less of the evils, with the Russians, Indians have to keep them happy, Sukhois, tanks, Brahmos, guns etc should be sufficient enough so they don't lose their longest ally. S400 is a major security risk and will handicap India.

Bold..
 
I hope we are not gonna be fighting Russia's wars now in exchange for this "blank cheque". Do the Russians now want us to fight the American's on their behest!!? This would be the exact opposite to the cold war. Surely, we will no longer be anyone's hired gun.
 
If it truly is a blank check then ask Russia to bring its intelligence agencies and its international political game in action against India and destabilize India to a point that it gets on its knees.

With China and Russia on its back, it will be the time for Pakistan to hit India where it hurts and liberate the occupied Kashmir from the fascist Indian regime.
 

The chinese have has the S400 since 2014 and the Indian govt still went for it. Most probably due to guarantees from the Russians. Even to this day the Chinese are not allowed to sell their homemade SU series of fighters due to an agreement with the Russians. Also the Russians can provide India with any modifications they require. Its a nearly 80 year relationship that shouldnt be thrown into the bin because of short term american candy.

India can use its lobby and Israeli friends to get a waiver which i suspect they will.

There is a small possibility of the S400 ending up in Pakistan in some form or the other if the Indians dont buy it.
 
If it truly is a blank check then ask Russia to bring its intelligence agencies and its international political game in action against India and destabilize India to a point that it gets on its knees.

With China and Russia on its back, it will be the time for Pakistan to hit India where it hurts and liberate the occupied Kashmir from the fascist Indian regime.

I dont think we need the russians to do that. Also it is would not be good geopolitics to see a destabilised india on our doorstep.Liberating Kashmir means the potential for a full scale Indo Pak war which could go hot. Kashmir is now a waiting game.
 
Russia sells arms to many nations, it's for money mainly.

Since India has become closer to US, Russians see this is in a negative way and are countering this by getting closer to Pakistan. Russia is now an Orthodox Christian nation, a big negative for Zionist powers.

India dancing with the devil aka USA government is very risky. the Yanks dont care about Indians, it's only for their own interests.

Russia and China are already shifting away from the USD. There are plans for an Eastern common currency. East has had enough of USA sanctions; so they have other plans.

India is nothing without Western and foreign aid and investment. Makes sense for India to build bridges with its neighbours rather than fall for the same 'fair and lovely' tricks pulled by the West. I reckon in about 10 years we will see the first US military base in India.
 
The chinese have has the S400 since 2014 and the Indian govt still went for it. Most probably due to guarantees from the Russians. Even to this day the Chinese are not allowed to sell their homemade SU series of fighters due to an agreement with the Russians. Also the Russians can provide India with any modifications they require. Its a nearly 80 year relationship that shouldnt be thrown into the bin because of short term american candy.

I am not saying India should cut off the Russians.

I feel the relationship whilst will be tested if India pulls out of the S400 however it will remain strong. Indians have bought an air craft carrier from them. There are plenty of other weapons which the Indians will buy off the Russians.

However S400 is a concern purely because it is such a pivotal strategic asset at a time of war and the Chinese will get their way with the Russians due to the Russian dependence on their finances with China. In such a scenario India is a shooting dead duck if the S400 that they have has been hacked and is compromised.





There is a small possibility of the S400 ending up in Pakistan in some form or the other if the Indians dont buy it.

I can see it happening, if Indians pull out of the S400 due to American pressure, Russians will want to rub it on the Indians and they will most probably donate an S400 to Pakistan as Pak wont be able to afford it, just to **** the Indians off :)), kinda funny.

Bold ....
 
Bold ....

hahah your right about that last comment. I can see the Russians being cheeky and giving us some "secret" S400 batteries that we "secretly" pay for in some combination of cash and commodities or bribes lol. Can you imagine the endless threads on the net about whether we have the s400 or not lol..would go on forever.

On a serious note the Russians wont be happy if you guys pull out because they know alot of your equipment is coming up for replacement. Already a small arms deal has gone west, attack copters has gone west, fighter jets going west, if you ditch your t72's for western tanks the Russians will really start to wonder..

I just feel its becoming an intensely symbolic procurement now. I'm still convinced you will get a waiver like Greece.
 
Indian ties with Russia will wither over the next decade since Russia is now firmly in China's camp.

India has bad choices any way - Russia was a cheap and reliable supplier of defence equipment and a good support at UNSC. USA is a bad enemy, an even worse friend but a strong partner against China.
 
If Pakistan has learned from the 20th century it wouldn't be as beholden to Russia as they were to the USA.
 
Fascinating to see the tectonic plates of power shift in Russia, South Asia and the Far East.
 
So along with China’s, is it now time for us to do Russia’s ghulami as well?
 
hahah your right about that last comment. I can see the Russians being cheeky and giving us some "secret" S400 batteries that we "secretly" pay for in some combination of cash and commodities or bribes lol. Can you imagine the endless threads on the net about whether we have the s400 or not lol..would go on forever.

My favorite section of your post. I can imagine the threads created on PP if S400 lands on the Karachi port from Russia. Thread titles created will be along the below lines:

- Kashmir to be Liberated within weeks
- India will beg Pakistan not to hurt them as Indian missiles and aircrafts are now null and void
- Liberate Palestine from Israel ( Ok i am trying to be a little humorous here ) :))



On a serious note the Russians wont be happy if you guys pull out because they know alot of your equipment is coming up for replacement. Already a small arms deal has gone west, attack copters has gone west, fighter jets going west, if you ditch your t72's for western tanks the Russians will really start to wonder..

S400 would be the only ditch, rest of the purchases from Russia will be ongoing I feel, keeping the Russians on their toes. Give them just to enough money to keep them happy to stay clear from giving Pakistanis any weapons that are a threat to the Indians.

I just feel its becoming an intensely symbolic procurement now. I'm still convinced you will get a waiver like Greece.

Whats the story with Greece again ?

I don't think they will get a waiver as India is seen as an important ally in containing China and the S400 would really throw spanner in the works. The Jewish lobby could come to help India but not sure how effective it would be.

bold..
 
There is no such thing as blank cheque in the real world and everything comes at a price. Often when we talk about blank cheques, we are about to go into a deal which we cannot afford.

Russia is a bad guy in my book.
 

yeah i can see the stories now: ub INDIA say badla lain gay, can we get teh Su-57? my chacha's mama's taya has told me that the PAF is in negotiation for the soyuz ..lol..all fun and games

with regards to Greece. they have the S300 the version prior to the S400. And as they were a NATO country they needed a waiver which they got from the US.

Clearly the US is not as threatened by the S300 as the S400. Here's what to watch out for. If the US gives India a waiver then expect less interoperability excercises and consider that the US is not as serious when it comes to working with your armed forces. they just want you to counter and keep china on its toes.

It they persuade you to drop the deal they will be offering something substantive. E.g. further interoperability and access to technology that you currently dont have. They are already offering quite a bit but they may give more. Also regular training with the USAF and Armed forces. E.g. regular seats at Red flag and other major exercises.

At the moment the Indians are still reluctant to go all the way with the americans but if they offer you guys substantial partnerships you may drop the S400..I suspect the russians may know something we dont and you may be right about the dropping of the deal..Russiophiles in india wont be happy!!
 
Fascinating to see the tectonic plates of power shift in Russia, South Asia and the Far East.
China really undermined strategic importance of India, they could have easily solved all the issues. India were always ready to work on improving bilateral relations.
 
the only problem I see with blank cheques is the one giving the cheque thinks they are getting more than what the one getting the cheque thinks they are giving.
 
So along with China’s, is it now time for us to do Russia’s ghulami as well?

Beggars can't be choosers. You can't complain about the economy 24/7 and then expect us not to make deals with foreign countries.
Having said that it reflects the sad reality that Pakistan's economy is in such a bad position we will be stuck with this begging bowl syndrome for the foreseeable future.
 
China really undermined strategic importance of India, they could have easily solved all the issues. India were always ready to work on improving bilateral relations.

Really? Always seemed the other way round to me.
 
As India ‘Rethinks’ S-400 Acquisition, Russia Puts ‘Everything On Table’ For Pakistan

By Jayanta Kalita

April 12, 2021

As India could be re-evaluating its stand on acquiring the Russian S-400 air defense system fearing US sanctions, its rival Pakistan may have quietly discussed with Moscow the possibility of getting the deadly weapon.

This has sparked speculation that if New Delhi, which is a QUAD ally with Washington, drops out of this deal, Islamabad would not miss any chance to acquire the deadly weapon, which is rumored to have the capability of taking down even stealth fighters.

According to Dawn, a senior Pakistan official claimed that Russian President Vladimir Putin had given Islamabad a “blank cheque”. He was referring to Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s recent visit to Islamabad, during which he had promised that Moscow would supply the Islamic nation with necessary military equipment to fight terror.

“I came with a message from my president (Putin) that tell Pakistan we are open for any cooperation, whatever Pakistan needs Russia is ready for it,” Lavrov was quoted by the Pakistani official as saying.

“In other words, the Russian president offered us a blank cheque,” the official added.

As reported by The Eurasian Times, Lavrov and his Pakistani counterpart Shah Mahmood Qureshi last week agreed to cooperate in their fight against terrorism with the former promising to supply Pakistan with military equipment.

Lavrov also said an agreement was also reached on conducting additional joint military exercises such as the Arabian Monsoon maritime drill. The Russian foreign minister arrived in Islamabad after concluding his visit to India.

“We stand ready to strengthen the anti-terrorist potential of Pakistan, including by supplying Pakistan with special military equipment,” Lavrov had said, without giving details about the equipment.


Now, with the Pakistani official’s remark that Putin has given Islamabad a “blank cheque”, the possibility of the Islamic nation acquiring the S-400 cannot be ruled out.

Pak Toying With S-400 Idea?

Pakistan has been toying with the idea of acquiring the Russian S-400 air defense system ever since the news of India-Russia signing a deal on the weapon system emerged in 2017.

“Russia has good tanks, helicopters, electronic equipment, air defense systems that Pakistan may consider. S-400 is a big-ticket number and it will all depend on our budget,” a top military official was quoted as saying by Sputnik News on February 15, 2017.

At that time, questions were raised whether Pakistan would be able to spend that kind of money required to buy S-400. According to an analysis published in The Diplomat, Pakistan would require $2.5 billion to buy at least three regiments of S-400.

“Given that Pakistan was not able to or willing to pay $700 million for eight F-16 fighter jets (a clear budgetary priority) from the United States in 2016 following Washington’s refusal to provide Foreign Military Financing (FMF) support, it is highly doubtful that the country’s defense ministry would allocate $2 billion or more for a new missile air defense system in the near future given other defense priorities,” defense analyst Franz-Stefan Gady wrote.

India-Russia Pact

In October 2018, New Delhi and its old military ally Moscow formally inked a $5.2 billion deal for the weapon system during Russian President Putin’s visit to India. Under this, India would buy four to five regiments of Russian-made S-400 Triumf advanced Air Defense Systems.

The S-400 is considered the most advanced air defense system comprising radars, control equipment, and multiple types of surface-to-air missiles to confront and destroy almost all kinds of aerial targets — aircraft, drones, bombs, cruise missiles, and ballistic missiles.

S400vsRAFALE

However, the US had warned India against the deal in the wake of the 2017 law, called Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA).

According to a recent Reuters report, Washington has told New Delhi that it is unlikely to get a waiver on its planned acquisition of Russian S-400 systems.

The Trump administration had in December imposed sanctions on Turkey for buying that weapon from Russia. Other countries that are facing US sanctions include Iran, North Korea, and Russia.

The Russian S-400 missile is considered the most lethal air defense system in the world, with the capability of bringing down advanced stealth fighters.

The US feels threatened by the S-400 missile, suspecting that it could be modified to intercept American fighter jets, including its “most advanced” F-35 stealth fighter jets.

Russia, on the other hand, believes that Washington is arms-twisting the countries which want to sign S-400 deals with Moscow.

“It wasn’t me who said the US exercised pressure on India but any other country which wanted to sign an agreement with Russia on the delivery of weapons… If the US says this overtly, we all will know, but we also know the reciprocal reaction,” Lavrov told reporters in New Delhi last week.

“With India, we do not discuss these statements by the US. Instead, we confirmed that we are going into diplomatic military cooperation. We have an intergovernmental committee. The military-technical cooperation has its own plan. We also discussed additional manufacturing of the Russian military equipment in India within the concept of made in India and in the concept of independent India. So here I don’t hear any fluctuations or changes from our Indian partners and friends,” he added.

https://eurasiantimes.com/as-india-...russia-puts-everything-on-table-for-pakistan/


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@ TGK, I think your guess may be on point here. Russians may already know Indians could be preparing to pull out of the S400 deal, hence this new open 'blank cheque' to Pakistan talk, using Pakistan to warn to India.

I feel India will be fine without the S400 though, getting access to American tech is much more beneficial than using a missile system which China is also using..
 
India is facing payment related problems purchasing equipment from Russia due to CAATSA. How will Pakistan pay for it if a deal is worked out?
 
we "secretly" pay for in some combination of cash and commodities or bribes lol.

Which commodities are you talking about?
Cash? The total physical dollars in currency is only 2 trillion dollars. No country has enough physical cash in dollars to be able to purchase to the order of several hundred millions.

The only way you can buy something from Russia is barter (commodities as you say) or somehow get waiver from uncle SAM. Even If Russia is willing to sell in Pakistani rupees, US will still cripple you through financial sanctions under CAATSA.

King Dollar & American navy rules the planet - small players like India (let alone Pakistan) cant do anything.
 
Which commodities are you talking about?
Cash? The total physical dollars in currency is only 2 trillion dollars. No country has enough physical cash in dollars to be able to purchase to the order of several hundred millions.

The only way you can buy something from Russia is barter (commodities as you say) or somehow get waiver from uncle SAM. Even If Russia is willing to sell in Pakistani rupees, US will still cripple you through financial sanctions under CAATSA.

King Dollar & American navy rules the planet - small players like India (let alone Pakistan) cant do anything.

it was a joke my friend. I suggest you go and sit down and calm down. No one in pakistan is buying the S400 so dont worry Modi sarkar and his internet trolls can rest easy.
 
As India ‘Rethinks’ S-400 Acquisition, Russia Puts ‘Everything On Table’ For Pakistan

By Jayanta Kalita

April 12, 2021

As India could be re-evaluating its stand on acquiring the Russian S-400 air defense system fearing US sanctions, its rival Pakistan may have quietly discussed with Moscow the possibility of getting the deadly weapon.

This has sparked speculation that if New Delhi, which is a QUAD ally with Washington, drops out of this deal, Islamabad would not miss any chance to acquire the deadly weapon, which is rumored to have the capability of taking down even stealth fighters.

According to Dawn, a senior Pakistan official claimed that Russian President Vladimir Putin had given Islamabad a “blank cheque”. He was referring to Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s recent visit to Islamabad, during which he had promised that Moscow would supply the Islamic nation with necessary military equipment to fight terror.

“I came with a message from my president (Putin) that tell Pakistan we are open for any cooperation, whatever Pakistan needs Russia is ready for it,” Lavrov was quoted by the Pakistani official as saying.

“In other words, the Russian president offered us a blank cheque,” the official added.

As reported by The Eurasian Times, Lavrov and his Pakistani counterpart Shah Mahmood Qureshi last week agreed to cooperate in their fight against terrorism with the former promising to supply Pakistan with military equipment.

Lavrov also said an agreement was also reached on conducting additional joint military exercises such as the Arabian Monsoon maritime drill. The Russian foreign minister arrived in Islamabad after concluding his visit to India.

“We stand ready to strengthen the anti-terrorist potential of Pakistan, including by supplying Pakistan with special military equipment,” Lavrov had said, without giving details about the equipment.


Now, with the Pakistani official’s remark that Putin has given Islamabad a “blank cheque”, the possibility of the Islamic nation acquiring the S-400 cannot be ruled out.

Pak Toying With S-400 Idea?

Pakistan has been toying with the idea of acquiring the Russian S-400 air defense system ever since the news of India-Russia signing a deal on the weapon system emerged in 2017.

“Russia has good tanks, helicopters, electronic equipment, air defense systems that Pakistan may consider. S-400 is a big-ticket number and it will all depend on our budget,” a top military official was quoted as saying by Sputnik News on February 15, 2017.

At that time, questions were raised whether Pakistan would be able to spend that kind of money required to buy S-400. According to an analysis published in The Diplomat, Pakistan would require $2.5 billion to buy at least three regiments of S-400.

“Given that Pakistan was not able to or willing to pay $700 million for eight F-16 fighter jets (a clear budgetary priority) from the United States in 2016 following Washington’s refusal to provide Foreign Military Financing (FMF) support, it is highly doubtful that the country’s defense ministry would allocate $2 billion or more for a new missile air defense system in the near future given other defense priorities,” defense analyst Franz-Stefan Gady wrote.

India-Russia Pact

In October 2018, New Delhi and its old military ally Moscow formally inked a $5.2 billion deal for the weapon system during Russian President Putin’s visit to India. Under this, India would buy four to five regiments of Russian-made S-400 Triumf advanced Air Defense Systems.

The S-400 is considered the most advanced air defense system comprising radars, control equipment, and multiple types of surface-to-air missiles to confront and destroy almost all kinds of aerial targets — aircraft, drones, bombs, cruise missiles, and ballistic missiles.

S400vsRAFALE

However, the US had warned India against the deal in the wake of the 2017 law, called Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA).

According to a recent Reuters report, Washington has told New Delhi that it is unlikely to get a waiver on its planned acquisition of Russian S-400 systems.

The Trump administration had in December imposed sanctions on Turkey for buying that weapon from Russia. Other countries that are facing US sanctions include Iran, North Korea, and Russia.

The Russian S-400 missile is considered the most lethal air defense system in the world, with the capability of bringing down advanced stealth fighters.

The US feels threatened by the S-400 missile, suspecting that it could be modified to intercept American fighter jets, including its “most advanced” F-35 stealth fighter jets.

Russia, on the other hand, believes that Washington is arms-twisting the countries which want to sign S-400 deals with Moscow.

“It wasn’t me who said the US exercised pressure on India but any other country which wanted to sign an agreement with Russia on the delivery of weapons… If the US says this overtly, we all will know, but we also know the reciprocal reaction,” Lavrov told reporters in New Delhi last week.

“With India, we do not discuss these statements by the US. Instead, we confirmed that we are going into diplomatic military cooperation. We have an intergovernmental committee. The military-technical cooperation has its own plan. We also discussed additional manufacturing of the Russian military equipment in India within the concept of made in India and in the concept of independent India. So here I don’t hear any fluctuations or changes from our Indian partners and friends,” he added.

https://eurasiantimes.com/as-india-...russia-puts-everything-on-table-for-pakistan/


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@ TGK, I think your guess may be on point here. Russians may already know Indians could be preparing to pull out of the S400 deal, hence this new open 'blank cheque' to Pakistan talk, using Pakistan to warn to India.

I feel India will be fine without the S400 though, getting access to American tech is much more beneficial than using a missile system which China is also using..

Yup. You don't really need the S400 in the current environment anyway. It has limtations in the south asian theatre. Getting better EW and other force multipliers is better for India.

If I may say so i think the Modi govt has learnt from their balakot mistake and wont carry out something similar in the near future. They may be shifting strategy. Looking at five to 7 years rather than 2-4 yrs. Or they could try again in a years time when they have a full squadron of tooled up Rappha's. But by then who knows what they will be flying into.

I think the Indians focus in the short term will be China up north and Pakistan in kashmir. Long term its going to be China in the south (sea etc) and in the North.

I expect to see more Naval activity in the next few years especially once the Chinese Navy aircraft carrier groups starts to tour the oceans. I expect to see the super hornet in India in the near future to counter the Chinese. And I expect some kind of detente with Pakistan.
 
I think the Indians focus in the short term will be China up north and Pakistan in kashmir. Long term its going to be China in the south (sea etc) and in the North.

I expect to see more Naval activity in the next few years especially once the Chinese Navy aircraft carrier groups starts to tour the oceans. I expect to see the super hornet in India in the near future to counter the Chinese. And I expect some kind of detente with Pakistan.

No defense acquisition in India happens like "in near future" unless the enemy has already arrived and sitting on our heads. Heard of MMRCA? I heard it is still ongoing or arriving as a new season with new starcast.
 
The prospects of Russian President Vladimir Putin's maiden trip to Pakistan have brightened after Islamabad and Moscow last week signed a fresh agreement to lay a gas pipeline from Karachi to Kasur, officials said on Monday

The North-South Gas Pipeline that has now been renamed as Pakistan Steam Gas Pipeline is a flagship project the two countries intend to undertake ever since they decided to bury their Cold War rivalry and enter into a new era of bilateral ties.

The agreement was originally signed in 2015 but because of possible US sanctions on the Russian companies and other issues, the work on 1,122-kilometre-long pipeline could not be initiated.

However, the two sides finally overcome those obstacles and signed an amended agreement that would now give 74 per cent stakes in the pipeline to Pakistan.

Earlier, the 100% pipeline was to be built by Russia under ‘built, operate and transfer’ model. The project will cost around $2.25 billion. Once completed, the pipeline will help address the shortage of gas in Punjab. The LNG that Pakistan now imports will be re-gasify through this proposed pipeline.

Officials familiar with the development said the project not only has economic but strategic significance for Pakistan. They said Pakistan wanted to broaden ties with Russia as part of its efforts to diversify its foreign policy options.

In April, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov visited Islamabad after a gap of almost 9 years. During the visit, he conveyed a message to Pakistani leadership on behalf of President Putin that Moscow is willing to extend all possible help to Islamabad.

Both sides are working on the visit of the Russian president to Pakistan. Prime Minister Imran Khan has already extended a formal invitation to President Putin.

However, diplomatic sources say Putin wants to undertake a visit when he has something big to sell. With the signing of the Pakistan Steam Gas Pipeline agreement, the prospects of Putin visiting Pakistan have brightened significantly.

Pakistan is keen that President Putin inaugurates the groundbreaking of the gas pipeline project, which may kick off later this year or early next year.

The likely visit of President Putin will be the culmination of years of efforts by two sides to open a new chapter in their ties that were marred by the Cold War rivalry.

Also read: Russian FM's visit 'crucial' for mutual ties, Afghan peace, says Qureshi

The two countries are not just exploring options to deepen economic ties but Russia is also now keen to sell arms to Pakistan, something it avoided in the past because of opposition by India.

The two countries have already been holding regular joint military exercises since 2016 which is another sign of deepening ties between Moscow and Islamabad.

Besides that, the two countries also share the same view on key regional and international issues including Afghanistan.

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Prime Minister Imran Khan on Tuesday received a telephone call from Russian President Vladimir Putin wherein both the leaders discussed latest situation in Afghanistan and other matters.

Recalling their earlier telephone conversation of August 25 this year, the two leaders exchanged views on the latest developments of Afghanistan, bilateral cooperation and collaboration in the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO), according to a statement issued by the PM Office.

The prime minister underscored the importance of peace and stability in Afghanistan for regional security and prosperity.

He emphasised the urgent need for the provision of humanitarian assistance to Afghanistan and the imperative of averting an economic crisis.

PM Imran underlined the need for the international community to remain engaged in Afghanistan. He stressed that the Afghan people should not be abandoned at this crucial juncture.

The premier stressed that close coordination and consultations between Pakistan and Russia on the evolving situation in Afghanistan are of crucial importance.

In the bilateral context, PM Imran emphasised the growing cooperation across a range of sectors and reaffirmed Pakistan’s commitment to further upgrade the overall relationship.

He underscored that strengthening trade and investments and energy cooperation are the cornerstones of engagement with Russia.

The premier also reaffirmed the government’s resolve for early realisation of the Pakistan Stream Gas Pipeline Project.

The 1,100-kilometre-long project, formerly known as the North-South Pipeline, plans to carry 12.4 billion cubic metres of natural gas annually. The project name was changed to 'Pakistan Stream' along with its partnership structure against the risk of US sanctions on Russian companies.

He reiterated his invitation to President Putin to visit Pakistan. The Russian president renewed his invitation to PM Imran to undertake a visit to Moscow, read the communiqué.

Relations between Islamabad and Moscow have been on an upward trajectory propelled by converging views on important regional and international issues, growing trust, and increasing bilateral cooperation manifested by recent high-level interactions.

The two leaders agreed to remain in close contact.
 
Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi said on Tuesday that relations between Pakistan and Russia relations were on a positive trajectory.

A day earlier, Prime Minister Imran Khan and Russian President Vladimir Putin held a telephonic conversation to discuss a range of issues, including Afghanistan, ahead of their likely face-to-face meeting in Beijing next month.

"Pakistan has been part of the Moscow Format and Russian representative attended the Troika Plus meeting in Islamabad," the foreign minister said.

"Russian Representative for Afghanistan Zamir Kabulov also participated in the recently held extraordinary session of the OIC Council of Foreign Ministers in Islamabad."

The country's top diplomat added that both countries held mutual consultations on the humanitarian crisis in Afghanistan and that Pakistan's efforts had resulted in drawing the world attention to the situation in Afghanistan; however, further attention was required.

"The humanitarian situation is further deteriorating in Afghanistan with the severity of cold weather," he added.

Qureshi further that Pakistan and Russia were developing an understanding on the North-South Gas Pipeline project, which was a significant step for bilateral cooperation in economy and energy.

Furthermore, the foreign minister stated that Russian President Putin's recent statement against Islamophobia vindicates the stance of Pakistan and Prime Minister Imran Khan on the issue.

"This indicates that the two countries are moving ahead at regional and global levels with identical approaches," he said.

Monday's phone call was the second telephonic conversation between the two leaders in four months.

In September last year, the two leaders had exchanged views by telephone after the Afghan Taliban took control of Kabul in August in the wake of the chaotic exit of the US-led foreign forces from Afghanistan.

Moscow and Islamabad share a common view on Afghanistan as they have long buried the Cold War rivalry and now have been making efforts to deepen their cooperation. Both the countries favour continued engagement with the interim Taliban government while at the same time asking the US to lift economic sanctions against the war-torn country.

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Prime Minister Imran Khan’s position toward the West is becoming increasingly defiant as he set to visit Russia from February 23 to 25 after completing his “historic visit to China” and attending the Beijing Olympics, which the US and several other western countries had boycotted.

Diplomatic sources confirmed on Sunday evening that the premier was expected to undertake the “all crucial” visit of Moscow in the last week of February -- the first by a Pakistani premier in over two decades. Federal Information Minister Fawad Chaudhry refrained from confirming the development, saying that the foreign affairs ministry should be approached for this purpose.

The premier’s visit to Moscow is believed to be a clear signal to the West, especially after he clearly said “absolutely not” to Washington on giving bases in Pakistan following its withdrawal from Afghanistan and not receiving a phone call from US President Joe Biden since he assumed his office in the White House.

“Prime Minister Imran’s visit under the current circumstances is crucial,” a diplomat told The Express Tribune, requesting anonymity, while referring to the rising tensions between Russia and Ukraine and ultimately between Moscow and the West.

The diplomat further said PM Imran and Russian President Vladimir Putin would exchange views on bilateral cooperation as well as regional and international issues of mutual interest. Recently, PM Imran while speaking to President Putin had lauded his statement on the issue of blasphemy.

In a telephonic conversation with Putin on January 17, PM Imran had underscored that Pakistan’s bilateral relationship with Russia was on an upward trajectory, with an increased focus on trade and economic ties and energy cooperation. He had reiterated the government’s resolve for early realisation of the Pakistan Stream Gas Pipeline Project. According to PM Imran, he and Putin had agreed to enhance bilateral cooperation in different areas, increase high-level exchanges, and remain in close contact on matters relating to Afghanistan.

PM Imran had underscored that a peaceful and stable Afghanistan was pivotal for regional stability.
The official statement had attributed to the prime minister that he looked forward to President Putin’s visit to Pakistan as well as his own visit to Russia at an appropriate time. Now, the diplomatic sources have confirmed that the dates had been finalised and PM Imran and President Putin would be standing together in the last week of February if there are no last minute changes.

Following the diplomatic dispute between Russia and the West on Ukraine, Moscow has reoriented trade, seeking to replace Western imports and reducing its use of the US dollar. Putin’s recent meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping was also taken as a show of unity amid Moscow’s deteriorating relations with the West.

Last month, it was reported that Islamabad and Moscow were in talks to finalise a plan for what would be a landmark visit of the Russian president to Pakistan this year.

The visit was being discussed by the two sides for the last two years but could not be materialised because of a variety of reasons, including the Covid-19 pandemic. For the visit, Moscow wanted to have something “significant” ready before Putin finally undertook his trip to Pakistan.
 
Prime Minister Imran Khan, during his upcoming visit to Russia, will take up the agenda of two mega gas pipeline projects there in the wake of the country’s “fast-depleting” local reserves.

Sources told The Express Tribune that the civilian and military leaderships were on the same page on signing the Pakistan Gas Stream Project and the gas pipeline from Kazakhstan project with Russia.

A delegation from Moscow was in Islamabad recently to negotiate toll-free proceedings and tax exemptions in connection with the Pakistan Gas Stream Project.

The Pakistani leadership wants to sign a commercial agreement with Russia during PM Imran’s visit.

Another project which is likely to be on the agenda is the gas pipeline from Kazakhstan.

Officials said Russia had already built a gas pipeline from Kazakhstan that passes through Azerbaijan. Russian company Gazprom has completed the project up till the Afghanistan border but now it is facing certain sanctions from the US. Gazprom cannot export gas to any country above a certain volume.

They added that the volume allowed under US sanctions would be enough for Pakistan.

Even remaining under the US sanction, Gazprom can export 14-15 billion cubic feet to Pakistan which will be enough to meet the country’s gas demand.

The Russian company involved in the project had offered to provide gas from Kazakhstan to Pakistan.

Pakistan was of the view that it would not deal with the company directly and negotiate a pact with the Russian government.

The officials said Pakistan had written a letter to the Russian government for this purpose and ready to take gas from this pipeline.

Energy Minister Hammad Azhar had also announced at a news conference that Pakistan was looking towards the gas pipeline from Kazakhstan.

The spot prices of LNG have not remained stable in the world. Therefore, Pakistan wants a long-term contract for cheaper gas.

The minister had warned that that country’s indigenous gas resources were depleting fast.

The officials said that Pakistan needs two pipelines to meet its gas requirements.

Experts say that Pakistan should place a cap on local gas production to secure it at a cheaper price in the future.

Gas from Kazakhstan and the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India (TAPI) pipeline project may meet Pakistan’s current needs that will be cheaper than LNG to ensure its energy security.

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Pakistan is also moving ahead to complete TAPI gas pipeline project.

Pakistan and Turkmenistan had formed working groups to negotiate on the gas prices of the TAPI pipeline project.

The two countries had also to sign a host agreement. However, the signing has hit a snag.

Pakistan has 5% shares and will be responsible for maintaining the pipeline.

On the gas price of TAPI, officials said it would cost around $6-7 per mmbtu.

However, Pakistan has been importing LNG at an average price of $12 per mmbtu.

Moreover, Pakistan feels that LNG is not a permanent solution to the country’s gas crisis. Different countries use it as stop gap arrangement to overcome their gas crises.

Therefore, Pakistan is now focusing on the execution of TAPI pipeline project along with gas pipeline from Kazakhstan to meet its future demand.

The officials said TAPI project would meet 20% of the country’s gas requirement -- which is considered to be cheaper in comparison with importing LNG to Pakistan.
 
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