Racism and free speech

[Pakpak]

Another sad incident, this time with Muslims being murdered. Sadly one of the reasons is the rampant anti-Muslim hate and Islamophobia creeping up in the West, unchecked and openly.

The media:

-we can call Daily Mail, the Sun 'trash' but the truth is its read by a lot of people.



How is the above filth completely okay to get away with without facing serious consequences? Since when it has been okay to completely humiliate an entire segment of the population so easily but oh its fine, its free speech. Would these papers face action if we replace all the above nonsense with anti-Jewish trash? Why are these garbage media houses never punished? Why are openly racist organisations such as Britain First not banned? Why is it deemed acceptable to let them spout their garbage and letting them poison young minds with filth because hey its free speech? And not only these but ban any rabid racist Islamist organisations too, which I know they do already in UK.

Why are right wing politicians not punished for the racist nonsense they get away with? Why wasn't Farage for instance censured for the ridiculous racist poster during the EU referendum, the poster which the Nazis used.

The freedom of speech curtain has been a convenient method to smear minority groups openly. And noone has been doing anything about it. I mean even now BBC has been a disgrace, their front page never mentions that it was a terror attack. The only time the word terror appears is when BBC is quoting the NZ Prime Minister. This is the national broadcaster.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The simple answer is the western media is not free, fair and independant. It is owned by private corporations who have their own agenda. The agenda is to demonise Muslims , so you can bomb them to pieces without your public being outraged and sadly it has worked very well.

The media will not change or ever be silenced.

However Muslims in the UK need to stop worrying about the length of their trousers or when to remove slippers going to the bathroom but instead wake up and be politically active to stop far right and zionist extremists winning with their hateful narrative. In the UK Muslims are slowly doing this and recently Tommy the far right extremist has been banned from social media platforms.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I made the same point in my very first post on waking up and reading about the tragedy this morning. Can you imagine some of those headlines if they were about Jews? Laughably the Daily Mail and the Sun will be the first to show faux outrage about Google or Facebook not cracking down on offensive material.

 

[Technics 1210]

Freedom of speech does not mean the right to say what one wants, it means the right to criticize your government without any fear, hindrance, or repercussions.

Secondly, most of the media outlets cited in the OP are either owned or influenced by Zionists. You will read offensive headlines towards Muslims, but when it comes to Jews, not one Iota.

Lastly, unless the MSM in the OP refer to today's tragic act in NZ as terrorism, anyone claiming said acts are reported as terrorism in MSM need a wake up call.

 

[Pakpak]

The simple answer is the western media is not free, fair and independant. It is owned by private corporations who have their own agenda. The agenda is to demonise Muslims , so you can bomb them to pieces without your public being outraged and sadly it has worked very well.

The media will not change or ever be silenced.

However Muslims in the UK need to stop worrying about the length of their trousers or when to remove slippers going to the bathroom but instead wake up and be politically active to stop far right and zionist extremists winning with their hateful narrative. In the UK Muslims are slowly doing this and recently Tommy the far right extremist has been banned from social media platforms.

This is the biggest thing. UK has a lot of Muslims but absolutely no unified bloc. If there were as many Indians in Labour as Muslims you'd see them pull all sorts of nonsense but no Pakistani cares. Being politically active and unified is a massive thing. An example is US, where we have a lot of Indian descent politicians, all speaking and parroting the line of their Lord back home in Modi, all lobbying to further Indian interest. We never see this when it comes to Pakistan, never mind Muslims as a group.

 

[Pakpak]

I made the same point in my very first post on waking up and reading about the tragedy this morning. Can you imagine some of those headlines if they were about Jews? Laughably the Daily Mail and the Sun will be the first to show faux outrage about Google or Facebook not cracking down on offensive material.

Its shocking trash like DM is allowed to not only operate but continue with its racist agenda, openly.

Freedom of speech does not mean the right to say what one wants, it means the right to criticize your government without any fear, hindrance, or repercussions.

Secondly, most of the media outlets cited in the OP are either owned or influenced by Zionists. You will read offensive headlines towards Muslims, but when it comes to Jews, not one Iota.

Lastly, unless the MSM in the OP refer to today's tragic act in NZ as terrorism, anyone claiming said acts are reported as terrorism in MSM need a wake up call.

Zionists and Jews are not the same thing. There are plenty of Jews who also don't like the Zionist regime.

 

[Robert]

The simple answer is the western media is not free, fair and independant. It is owned by private corporations who have their own agenda. The agenda is to demonise Muslims , so you can bomb them to pieces without your public being outraged and sadly it has worked very well.

I would not say that. Said tabloids make their money by outraging white Middle England. If there were no Muslims in the UK they would attack Blacks. Or Gypsies. Or back in the 1930s, some supported Hitler and attacked Jews.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I would not say that. Said tabloids make their money by outraging white Middle England. If there were no Muslims in the UK they would attack Blacks. Or Gypsies. Or back in the 1930s, some supported Hitler and attacked Jews.

Blacks and Gypsies dont have the oil or are in the way of Israel. It's a lot more than just making money by senstationalising stories. There is a clear agenda. On one hand you cannot even criticise the policies of Israel without being called a racist , yet it's ok to use the name of the religion of nearly 2 billion people if one person kills someone.

 

[troodon]

Blacks and Gypsies dont have the oil or are in the way of Israel. It's a lot more than just making money by senstationalising stories. There is a clear agenda. On one hand you cannot even criticise the policies of Israel without being called a racist , yet it's ok to use the name of the religion of nearly 2 billion people if one person kills someone.

That person belongs to an extremist Islamic organization and he does his crime in the name of allah and justifies it using the Quran.

Not hard to understand.

 

[Pakpak]

Why Western News outlets only target Muslims and not Hindus or Buddhists or Sikhs or Chinese etc?

What do you think is the reason?

Hindus and Indians by large are Western allies. As for China, have you been asleep? All you need to do is visit BBC every week to see the trash against China on a regular basis or pick up any newspaper in the West talking rubbish about China. Forget China, even Russia.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Why Western News outlets only target Muslims and not Hindus or Buddhists or Sikhs or Chinese etc?

What do you think is the reason?

They do not have oil and do not pose a threat to Israel.

 

[troodon]

They do not have oil and do not pose a threat to Israel.

What about the Millions of Muslims in the West? They do not have any oil. So why the hatred for them there?

 

[Pak Warrior]

Freedom of Speech should be allowed to everyone, as long as you are not being sacrilegious, or threatening

 

[Pakistanian]

What about the Millions of Muslims in the West? They do not have any oil. So why the hatred for them there?

Who says majority of muslims in the west hate the west? We don't.

 

[Markhor]

It's not just the tabloids - it disgusts me seeing so-called mainstream commentators like Sam Harris and Douglas Murray, with their legions of fans, talk about how the West needs "to make life harder for Muslims" without any consequences. Ben Shapiro spoke of how Arabs like to "bomb crap and live in open sewage" yet still has a television gig. Rod Liddle still writes for the Spectator despite a long history of racist anti-Muslim diatribes.

Has Tucker Carlson been made to resign for calling Iraqis semi-literate primitive monkeys in a 2006 interview leaked this week ?

These guys would be fired in an instant (rightly so) and ostracised from mainstream discourse if they had an anti-semitic slant. Yet there's no accountability and supposed liberals like Bill Maher will defend them.

Of course people are entitled to their free speech and can criticise Islam or any other religion. But freedom of speech is not freedom from consequence.

 

[Mamoon]

There is fine line between freedom of speech and hate speech, and the line is often blur. Our prejudices and biases often dictate what we deem free speech or hate speech.

If you are on the receiving end, it is hate speech; if not, it is free speech.

Nevertheless, hate speech against Muslims in the West is a reality that we cannot shy away from, and it’s root-cause is Islamophobia, whose root-cause is the fact that majority of the terrorists identify with Islam.

Unless and until we are prepared to tackle the root-causes of the correlation between Islam and terrorism, we cannot end Islamophobia and hate speech against Muslims.

 

[troodon]

Who says majority of muslims in the west hate the west? We don't.

Majority anywhere do not hate any particular community.

In the OP picture, if you see, most of the anti-Muslim press is against Brit Muslims. They do not have any oil and they have nothing to do with Israel except may be an occasional demonstration in support of Palestinians.

 

[troodon]

There is fine line between freedom of speech and hate speech, and the line is often blur. Our prejudices and biases often dictate what we deem free speech or hate speech.

If you are on the receiving end, it is hate speech; if not, it is free speech.

Nevertheless, hate speech against Muslims in the West is a reality that we cannot shy away from, and it’s root-cause is Islamophobia, whose root-cause is the fact that majority of the terrorists identify with Islam.

Unless and until we are prepared to tackle the root-causes of the correlation between Islam and terrorism, we cannot end Islamophobia and hate speech against Muslims.

Perfectly said. Muslims have to address the verses that Terrorists use to justify their dastardly attacks on innocents. Until then, all it takes is a few hundred people out of a million people to bring bad name to every Muslim.

 

[Technics 1210]

Perfectly said. Muslims have to address the verses that Terrorists use to justify their dastardly attacks on innocents. Until then, all it takes is a few hundred people out of a million people to bring bad name to every Muslim.

Bull dust. The verses in the Qur'an are taken out of context.

The verses are not the problem when read in context, the problem is blind faith.

I can pull out verses from Hinduism that glorify Sati and demean women, and verses from the Bible which state Homosexuality is an abomination and that it is fine to sell your daughter for a paltry price.

Selective reading is the issue, not the verses.

 

[Pakpak]

It's not just the tabloids - it disgusts me seeing so-called mainstream commentators like Sam Harris and Douglas Murray, with their legions of fans, talk about how the West needs "to make life harder for Muslims" without any consequences. Ben Shapiro spoke of how Arabs like to "bomb crap and live in open sewage" yet still has a television gig. Rod Liddle still writes for the Spectator despite a long history of racist anti-Muslim diatribes.

Has Tucker Carlson been made to resign for calling Iraqis semi-literate primitive monkeys in a 2006 interview leaked this week ?

These guys would be fired in an instant (rightly so) and ostracised from mainstream discourse if they had an anti-semitic slant. Yet there's no accountability and supposed liberals like Bill Maher will defend them.

Of course people are entitled to their free speech and can criticise Islam or any other religion. But freedom of speech is not freedom from consequence.

Sam Harris is an open bigot. Bill Maher along with him, both are a massive disgrace.

 

[Pakistanian]

Majority anywhere do not hate any particular community.

In the OP picture, if you see, most of the anti-Muslim press is against Brit Muslims. They do not have any oil and they have nothing to do with Israel except may be an occasional demonstration in support of Palestinians.

Most Brit Muslims are not white and culturally different from the original English culture, this is why white supremacists or even regular right wing types hate them.

 

[ElRaja]

in an ideal world free speech would be sanctified above all else that which people would like to draw the lines of free speech around. unfortunately this requires an intelligent, diligent populace capable of critical thought, all traits that are found infrequently in the general public.

the true source of this suffering is a a school system designed to produce workers not thinkers and parents who would rather have kids who don't question that question everything, but its easier to blame the promoters of group think rather than the consumers, because that would involve reflecting on our own prejudices.

i try to stay away from the main stream media for opinions, and like to judge people based on those who i meet in real life. i don't have the power, nor the stamina to deal with "the machine", whether that be in the form of the media, corporations, religions or ideologies based on group identity.

 

[ElRaja]

Most Brit Muslims are not white and culturally different from the original English culture, this is why white supremacists or even regular right wing types hate them.

not completely true, i've had the displeasure of reading white supremacist material, they use the premise that Islam promotes religious identity over ethnic identity to classify white muslims as being the enemy of the white race.

additionally the concept of the human ideal being an arab, and acceptance of it, goes against their own doctrine of white supremacy, and thus regardless of whether they are indigenous white, or otherwise, white supremacists hate muslims.

 

[Pakpak]

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[gazza619]

Unless and until we are prepared to tackle the root-causes of the correlation between Islam and terrorism, we cannot end Islamophobia and hate speech against Muslims.

You really need to do some soul searching. The islamiphobia is a very old phenomenon.

Muslims dont need enemies when we have enemies within.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I would not say that. Said tabloids make their money by outraging white Middle England. If there were no Muslims in the UK they would attack Blacks. Or Gypsies. Or back in the 1930s, some supported Hitler and attacked Jews.

Absolutely correct. Those of us who actually have been brought up here understand this very well, the subcontinental nincompoops who are chiming in here to promote Shining India agenda are missing the point .

 

[PakLFC]

Free speech is a myth. Try questioning the holocaust in the west then see where freedom of expression get you. There is only free speech to a certain point afterwards you are checked or you suddenly disappear. There are certainly extreme Muslims as well but they always get far more publicity then extremists in other religions.

 

[Mamoon]

You really need to do some soul searching. The islamiphobia is a very old phenomenon.

Muslims dont need enemies when we have enemies within.

I may have some soul searching to do, but I believe Muslims in general also need to look inwards and try to understand why they are in the position that they are today.

This attitude that there is nothing wrong with us and we are simply victims of conspiracy and hate will not take us anywhere, especially when the correlation between Islam and terrorism is high and most Muslim countries are a basket case.

Indeed, Islamophobia is an old phenomenon. It can be traced back to the time where it emerged as a major organized religion and was perceived as a major threat by Christianity and Judaism, the two predominant Abrahamic religions.

Not only did this new religion spread like wildfire, it also changed the dynamics world power.

From the various caliphates to regional empires, the several dynasties in Iran, the Mamluks in the middle-east, the Ottomans, the Mali Empire, the Almoravid’s in North Africa, as well as powers in europe and south/south-east Asia etc. etc., Islam was synonymous with dominance and power, and the crusades carried out against them were largely unsuccessful except for the ones in Western Europe.

However, since the balance of power shifted around World War I, Muslims and Muslim countries have been carted around. We can no longer dictate terms and have been reduced to puppets.

In the last 100 years, what has been our great contribution to the world? We have contributed zilch to science, technology, education etc. In spite of making up 25% of the global population, we have only produce 2 Nobel laureates, and one of them is an Ahmadi Muslim from Pakistan whose name has been whitewashed from the history of this country because of his religious beliefs.

Of course, our answer to everything is that we are victims of a grand conspiracy by the Western world who cannot afford fo see the resurgence of the Islamic Golden Age.

Whilst it is important to have a historical outlook on Islamophobia, it is equally important to appreciate the vastly different dynamics that have changed the nature of the prejudice.

The collective decline of the Islamic world where today is largely associated with terrorism and extremism more than anything has played no small part in cultivating what is essentially the modern Islamophobia.

 

[sjahmed23]

The problem lies with the media. As it can be seen in the case of India, media can blind the entire population into believing a particular narrative very easily. The media has created silos between people, and more should be done to regulate the media industry.

 

[James]

Agree with [MENTION=149166]Technics 1210[/MENTION] and [MENTION=56933]ElRaja[/MENTION].

Education is the answer.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Agree with [MENTION=149166]Technics 1210[/MENTION] and [MENTION=56933]ElRaja[/MENTION].

Education is the answer.

Give us a detailed answer. What kind of education is the answer? Science, maths, humanities does not remove your bigotry, sometimes it gives you weapons to defend it eloquently.

 

[James]

Give us a detailed answer. What kind of education is the answer? Science, maths, humanities does not remove your bigotry, sometimes it gives you weapons to defend it eloquently.

Not being taught “what” to think but being taught “how” to think.

To independently reach a conclusion after a thorough examination of the evidence - using a wide range of primary and secondary sources.

Critical Thinking, Critical Reading, and Philosophy to all be mandatory subjects from a young age.

 

[Robert]

Blacks and Gypsies dont have the oil or are in the way of Israel. It's a lot more than just making money by senstationalising stories. There is a clear agenda. On one hand you cannot even criticise the policies of Israel without being called a racist , yet it's ok to use the name of the religion of nearly 2 billion people if one person kills someone.

One tabloid was full antisemite / pro-Hitler in the 1930s. I clearly remember sustained tabloid attacks on Blacks in the early eighties following the New Cross Fire protest demo. Muslim nations had oil then and Israel was there yet Muslims didn’t get a mention in the papers in those days. But then 9/11 happened, and then 7/7 and the tabloids switched targets.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Not being taught “what” to think but being taught “how” to think.

To independently reach a conclusion after a thorough examination of the evidence - using a wide range of primary and secondary sources.

Critical Thinking, Critical Reading, and Philosophy to all be mandatory subjects from a young age.

You mean selective critical thinking, which most of us do anyway. eg, keeping one's religion outside critical thinking.

 

[Robert]

Not being taught “what” to think but being taught “how” to think.

To independently reach a conclusion after a thorough examination of the evidence - using a wide range of primary and secondary sources.

Critical Thinking, Critical Reading, and Philosophy to all be mandatory subjects from a young age.

Absolutely. I knew a British chap who had done his schooling in Barbados. He was smarter than his peers because he had been taught Logic and Philosophy at school, not just the Three Rs. He was taught how to think about thinking.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Some headlines from today's paper. The Times with the rather tame 'MI5 investigates mass shooter' is notably lame, might as well have put it near the back somewhere. Others attempting to blame facebook, don't think any of them mentioned white supremacist movements for some reason.

 

[Pakpak]

Pathetic.