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Rahmanullah Gurbaz v Mohammad Rizwan

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Combative opening keeper-batsman with SR of 150 and a batter who plays t20 like a Test match
 
Both have different roles in the team. Gurbaz is more exciting to watch but Rizwan can score big innings albeit taking some time.

Gurbaz if you want a 20-ball 30, Rizwan if you want 60 off 45. For a team like pakistan where Shan and Babar arent dashers themselves, Gurbaz would be more suited. For teams like Zim, BD, SA (i mean anyone is better than Bavuma), rizwan would be a good choice
 
Plays t20 like a test match? Whats with the constant demeaning of our cricketers?

Pakistan doesnt deserve cricketers like rizwan if this is how they will be treated
 
Gurbaz can play on the off-side, he is not on the floor after every shot and he doesn’t fake injuries and cramps for the cameras.

So I will take him over Rizwan in T20Is and ODIs.
 
gurbaz is a technically correct player who can hit as well.very underrated batsman.his innings in asia cup vs sri lanka was probably the innings of the tournament.
 
Zaz said:
Plays t20 like a test match? Whats with the constant demeaning of our cricketers?

Pakistan doesnt deserve cricketers like rizwan if this is how they will be treated
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Yes, we don’t deserve cricketers like him.
 
Gurbaz has improved significantly and he is a real predator in the powerplay overs. He hasn’t pre-meditated a score or a par target in his mind unlike Rizwan. Massive difference between the two.

One would hit you for 6X4 in the over if he gets a sniff of it. The other will hit you for 1 or 2, play a few dots and nudge a single no matter what on his best day.

Who is who?
 
Gurbaz can improve all he can but he will not win big games for Pakistan. Rizwan has done against India last year when no one gave us a chance.

Once Gurbaz can do that, we will come back and debate

Until then this thread reeks of a poor attempt to take a swipe at Rizwan.
 
MenInG said:
Gurbaz can improve all he can but he will not win big games for Pakistan. Rizwan has done against India last year when no one gave us a chance.

Once Gurbaz can do that, we will come back and debate

Until then this thread reeks of a poor attempt to take a swipe at Rizwan.
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Iftikhar nearly won Pakistan a game against India with his 50 off 30

Is Iftikhar a better middle order batsman than Sikander Raza or Rajapaksa?
 
PakPremi said:
How often does Iftikhar score 50s?
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Mig’s argument is based on ‘big match impact’

That’s what I am asking how is Iftikhar overall better than Sikander or Rajapaksa if that’s the case? Mig referred to the one game against India being Rizwan’s ATG contribution
 
For the OP is this the same Gurbaz that scored 28 off 24 balls today at a strike rate of 116?
 
Rizwan is better because of his consistency with the bat. However, Gurbaz clearly has a better range of shots and power.
 
Champ_Pal said:
Rizwan is better because of his consistency with the bat. However, Gurbaz clearly has a better range of shots and power.
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Rizwan is consistently terrible against good bowling and big matches for quite some time now
 
Rana said:
Iftikhar nearly won Pakistan a game against India with his 50 off 30

Is Iftikhar a better middle order batsman than Sikander Raza or Rajapaksa?
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Like I said, when you have another 152/0 win then lets start comparing these people.
 
Nonsense thread Pls delete

Rizwan has his faults as a batter but with his record and the games hes won to be compared to an Afghan batter is nothing but disrespectful
 
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Zaz said:
Nonsense thread Pls delete

Rizwan has his faults as a batter but with his record and the games hes won to be compared to an Afghan batter is nothing but disrespectful
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My days the arrogance

Watch this thread age well. And watch the ghuroor diminish
 
Rana said:
How?

Gurbaz has a T20i sr of 137 and T20 sr of 140

How is Rizwan miles ahead?
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Just look at number of match winning knocks of Rizwan. Gurbaz is inexperienced newbie in world cricket. First let him score some consistent runs then we will compare him with currently most consistent t20I batter.
(Note:- I'm not a fan of Rizwan)
 
Needless insult thread for Rizwan.

Yes I criticize Rizwan too, but some of y’all are way too OTT with the critiques.

Yes he’s not as exciting to watch anymore as he was last year or before. Maybe he’s regressed or been found out, either way, this is hardly a fair comparison.

It’s like comparing Rizwan vs Kohli but only in the year 2021. You’d be a proper nutcase to extrapolate that that means Rizwan is the better bat between the two overall, when one guy was going through a purple patch and the other one is in a slump.
 
Rana said:
My days the arrogance

Watch this thread age well. And watch the ghuroor diminish
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Yes bookmark this please and come back to me when gurbaaz and co actually score big runs on the big stage to win big games for Afghanistan
 
Haha...any Tom, Dick & Harry player thread just for a cheap laugh.
 
I think both are okay in ODIs right albeit Gurbaz has played only 12 ODIs with 3 centuries averages 41 @87 strike rate. Rizwan 49 ODIs with 2 centuries. averages 29 @86 strike rate.
 
Icc no.1 ranked t20 batter eith an icc t20 player of the year award being compared to a nobody?

Funny how pakistani posters are insulting there own
 
Major said:
Icc no.1 ranked t20 batter eith an icc t20 player of the year award being compared to a nobody?

Funny how pakistani posters are insulting there own
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Rizwan fans go over and beyond to disgrace other T20 openers in Pakistan who are definitely better than him.

Why are his fans crying Wolf now?
 
MenInG said:
Gurbaz can improve all he can but he will not win big games for Pakistan. Rizwan has done against India last year when no one gave us a chance.

Once Gurbaz can do that, we will come back and debate

Until then this thread reeks of a poor attempt to take a swipe at Rizwan.
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Its one thing that posters of other nationality nake threads to troll and insult our players but whats disturbing is when our locals decide to join the bandwagon and insult their own player aswell.

Yar, i am surprised that, pakiatani fans are such people that they will even bash and insult a t20 player who is the no.1 ranked in icc rankings and has won icc t20 player of the year.

If such a player is not good enough, we dont deserve good players.

Pakistani fans deserve the likes od imran farhat
 
Rana said:
Rizwan fans go over and beyond to disgrace other T20 openers in Pakistan who are definitely better than him.

Why are his fans crying Wolf now?
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Icc rank says rizwan is no.1.

Icc gave an award to rizwan for t20 player of the year.

So ICC is wrong and a random fan on internet is right
 
Rana said:
Rizwan fans go over and beyond to disgrace other T20 openers in Pakistan who are definitely better than him.

Why are his fans crying Wolf now?
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They arent better than him Only in someones dreams

If they were theyd be playing Not sat at home eating ice cream n cake
 
Zaz said:
They arent better than him Only in someones dreams

If they were theyd be playing Not sat at home eating ice cream n cake
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Sharjeel Khan is a better T20 opener than Rizwan

So is Fakhar Zaman.

I know it in my Soul that this is the God honest truth.
 
Rana said:
Sharjeel Khan is a better T20 opener than Rizwan

So is Fakhar Zaman.

I know it in my Soul that this is the God honest truth.
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Fortunately for us players arent picked on your soul or what you may think or believe

Theyre picked on performances, stats and output and in that respect rizwan is well above all the others in pakistan cricket
 
Zaz said:
Fortunately for us players arent picked on your soul or what you may think or believe

Theyre picked on performances, stats and output and in that respect rizwan is well above all the others in pakistan cricket
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Well, then the performance is right before you as well. Embarrassing to say the least
 
Rana said:
Sharjeel Khan is a better T20 opener than Rizwan

So is Fakhar Zaman.

I know it in my Soul that this is the God honest truth.
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Both of them are not quality players. You are thinking because they can slog sometimes, they can score runs at a fast pace. That's not the case. Most high strike rate gun players like buttler, Warner, Glenn Phillips, QDK, SKY, etc does a lot more than some blind slogging. Fakhar and sharjeel can only hit some big shots in roads or against below average attacks.

Pakistan simply doesn't have any batsman who can score good runs at a high strike rate. Rizwan is there because at least he scores good runs at a below average strike rate.
 
Extremely dangerous opener is Gurbaz

What a pick up 6 to Hazlewood!!
 
Islamabad United's Gurbaz taking on Peshawar bowlers - this is a fantastic innings and could well be a match-winning ones. Fearless and strong.

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What can you say about Gurbaz! This is an amazing display of batting

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Gurbaz out for 62(31) - Did not spare any bowler and has put ISLU on track for an easy win.

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One's a thug and the other is a pious guy. Some will prefer the raw brutality and others the quiet accumulation and consistency. It's T20, so I know who I'm picking!
 
Rizwan:
Innings 69
Avg 48.8
SR 126.6
100s 1
50s 23
6s 69
4s 228


Gurbaz:
Innings 41
Avg 24.8
SR 134.2
100s 0
50s 5
6s 59
4s 80


Rizwan as opener:
Innings 53
Avg 57.2
SR 129.7
100s 1
50s 23
6s 65
4s 212

Stats clearly indicate who is better opener between the two. One has slightly better SR with 24 avg, the other has more than double avg with slightly lower strike rate.
 
MenInG said:
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Took him 41 innings to get here. Rizwan was faster by 10 innings and did in 31. Rizwan also has a higher boundary hitting percentage and has a T20i century. Not sure in which lala land Gurbaz is better
 
Gurbaz makes 25 of 18 balls as his average contribution. Riz makes those runs of 20 balls. So you really are not gaining much. People just look at psl sixers and flashy shots.

At the end of the day, it's about the runs you get and the rate you get it at. Gurbaz is a child in front of Riz in internationals.
 
Rather than a straight one Vs the other comparison, let’s make it more nuanced.

Importance to their side: Rizwan.

Gurbaz currently has a Mo Haris issue of not being around long enough to make his s/r truly hurt teams.

Rizwan has s/r issues, but the current series has confirmed one thing. He is the best keeper in Pakistan. And when you have our bowling attack, chances are created and byes can be a huge issue. Alhamdullillah we have the luxury of having a world class keeper in Rizwan who allows that attack to be truly effective.

People look at some fours and sixes and forget that there’s other factors Rizwan brings to a team.

Does he need to improve his range of shots and power? 100%. But what he brings to the team behind the stumps, no one else does.
 
zarak said:
Gurbaz makes 25 of 18 balls as his average contribution. Riz makes those runs of 20 balls. So you really are not gaining much. People just look at psl sixers and flashy shots.

At the end of the day, it's about the runs you get and the rate you get it at. Gurbaz is a child in front of Riz in internationals.
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No doubt. To add, when a wicket falls the next batter usually plays a dot. So his personal strike rate maybe better but if the team is playing more dots due to more wickets falling, it doesn't really help the cause.
 
daytrader said:
No doubt. To add, when a wicket falls the next batter usually plays a dot. So his personal strike rate maybe better but if the team is playing more dots due to more wickets falling, it doesn't really help the cause.
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Yup. Yesterday we made 180 odd.

Saim played a lovely innings of 49 of 40. That is below par for Rizwan as an opener. His average output is better than that innings.

He makes 57 of 44 on average. He still gets stuck and plays ugly innings and I would like to see him cut down on that.
 
Cant believe people taking Gurbaz over Rizwan. Rizwan scores a 50 almost every game. Even if hes slower than Gurbaz. He guarantees runs even on some of the toughest T20 batting pitches. Furthermore Rizwan wins games. I have never seen Afghanistan winning a game because of Gurbaz's batting. If he was such a gun player they would have won few games. 5 50s in 41 innings isnt a great return.
 
Not only Gurbaz is better than Rizwan, I can list a number of keeper bats around the world who are better than Rizwan. And I believe that with conviction
 
Good innings from him. He and Zardran will be key for Afghanistan for the next decade

Let's see if his work today contributes to a win
 
Mamoon said:
Gurbaz can play on the off-side, he is not on the floor after every shot and he doesn’t fake injuries and cramps for the cameras.

So I will take him over Rizwan in T20Is and ODIs.
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How this statement has come back biting you if we look at Rizwan's epic performance in last year or so. Just like all other of your embarrassing analysis, this has also turned a laughing stock. No disrespect to Gurbaz, he's good but Rizwan is miles ahead as he has literally carried Pakistan to many great wins in the last year
 
Rana said:
Oh bookmarked
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Good foresight from you.

Rizwan's faces have been left red faced as Gurbaz has just played a much better knock and a match winning one against a proper bowling attack. He's literally stolen his thunder.

That Sri Lanka bowling attack was similar in level to what you'd expect from Nepal.
 
topspin said:
Good foresight from you.

Rizwan's faces have been left red faced as Gurbaz has just played a much better knock and a match winning one against a proper bowling attack. He's literally stolen his thunder.

That Sri Lanka bowling attack was similar in level to what you'd expect from Nepal.
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Gurbaz is a warrior

He doesn’t come to bat. He comes for war!
 
Gurbaz is very dynamic and authoritative batsman. I think he was involved couple of double century partnership recently if i remember right. Like t hat guy from first time i saw him.
 
Gurbaz’s attitude as an opener reminds me of Brad Pitt’s Achiles storming the beach of Troy singlehandedly

He marches forward whilst his countrymen root him on from a distance behind!
 
topspin said:
Good foresight from you.

Rizwan's faces have been left red faced as Gurbaz has just played a much better knock and a match winning one against a proper bowling attack. He's literally stolen his thunder.

That Sri Lanka bowling attack was similar in level to what you'd expect from Nepal.
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Not sure if this is a sarcastic response.

Why would Rizwan face turn red? Is that the way to cope with the pain your types feel for amazing Rizwan's performance year over year? Making embarrassing laughable statements of some posters have become a usual, and it's only those types faces turning red in tears which is pretty nice to see :Riz
 
Rana said:
Gurbaz is a warrior

He doesn’t come to bat. He comes for war!
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You takeaway his innings, England would've bowled them out for less than 200 to win this game easily.

Gurbaz has literally carried a team of mediocre batsmen to a 280+ score. Something Rizwan can accomplish in his dreams.
 
Kriketer said:
Not sure if this is a sarcastic response.

Why would Rizwan face turn red? Is that the way to cope with the pain your types feel for amazing Rizwan's performance year over year? Making embarrassing laughable statements of some posters have become a usual, and it's only those types faces turning red in tears which is pretty nice to see :Riz
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Rizwan has already been left red faced after his innings yesterday, its his fans who've been left red faced. Gurbaz has just carried his team to a 280+ score and won the game for his team.

Rizwan can only do it against rubbish bowlers who are basically Nepal level.
 
He’s played an innings to remember.

How many batsmen, world class ones even, can say that they, against all odds and immense pressure, scored the most tough runs against the toughest teams to take their team to a famous win? How many times can they do that in their careers?
 
Kriketer said:
How this statement has come back biting you if we look at Rizwan's epic performance in last year or so. Just like all other of your embarrassing analysis, this has also turned a laughing stock. No disrespect to Gurbaz, he's good but Rizwan is miles ahead as he has literally carried Pakistan to many great wins in the last year
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You are bumping this post on a day where Gurbaz scored 80 in 57 and was all set to score a massive hundred if it wasn’t for the run out.

Looks like yesterday’s humiliation has knocked you out of of your senses.

Gurbaz is clear of Rizwan. Put them in the same team and pair them together. Gurbaz will corn off as the better batsman more often than not.
 
Mamoon said:
You are bumping this post on a day where Gurbaz scored 80 in 57 and was all set to score a massive hundred if it wasn’t for the run out.

Looks like yesterday’s humiliation has knocked you out of of your senses.

Gurbaz is clear of Rizwan. Put them in the same team and pair them together. Gurbaz will corn off as the better batsman more often than not.
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Gurbaz range of shots are impressive. Especially they showed a stat on pull shots against short ball. Mind blowing. Almost like Rohit sharma level dominance.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Gurbaz range of shots are impressive. Especially they showed a stat on pull shots against short ball. Mind blowing. Almost like Rohit sharma level dominance.
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Best batsman Afghanistan has ever produced and by a long shot. Yes the bar is terribly low, but he is a proper player.

I think he is the batting version of Rashid Khan. A world class player born in the wrong country at the wrong time.
 
Mamoon said:
You are bumping this post on a day where Gurbaz scored 80 in 57 and was all set to score a massive hundred if it wasn’t for the run out.

Looks like yesterday’s humiliation has knocked you out of of your senses.

Gurbaz is clear of Rizwan. Put them in the same team and pair them together. Gurbaz will corn off as the better batsman more often than not.
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Just saw your year old comment so just reminded you about your embarrassing comment which has come back biting you really bad. A usual for you so it's okay... Ya sure Rizwan will be left out, anything to soothe your pain. Would you mind sharing Rizwan's average and score list since last you posted that comment a year ago? Let's hear your out :)
 
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