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Rahul Dravid to exit as India's head coach, Jay Shah's big new coach plan revelation [Post Updated #181]

Last Monetarist said:
I don't think so, Dravid is partly to blame for the breakdown in relationship with Kohli. He's not suited to be in a leadership position with this set of players.

Dravid needs a clean slate and an influx of a lot of youth players, which basically means that India are rebuilding and results over the next 2-3 years don't matter.

That's not necessarily a bad thing for Indian cricket, but it should be a very specific remit for Dravid, otherwise he's out of his depth in this environment.
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A team like India should not take 2-3 years to re-build given their resources. They have 4-5 captains with IPL experience, players like Mayank Agarwal and Manish Pandey, Shubman Gill, and many others with great domestic experience but no where close to the international team.

The problem in India is that there are too many mouths and opinions. Just like their media, everyone thinks that their way is best.

This is where Dhoni was a great captain (although I think he was very lucky as well - career started after 2005 pakistan series where bowled poorly to him, and then in 2007 he won the WC against us - Pakistan has a huge hand in making his career). Still Dhoni, whjen he did finally become a good captain, took on people like Sehwag, Tendulkar and seniors head on.

There was a clear mindset and of course his performance was exceptional as a finisher and wicket keeper. He then developed immense game sense and field placing etc. At least in the white ball game.

As far as I can see, only Rishabh Pant has the potential.

KL Rahul is completely out of his depth. He cost India the second test match where they could have taken the series. Youre seeing the same in ODIs. Kohli has ofcourse stayed away from all this drama with a 10 foot pole.

They need to make Pant VC ASAP so he learns from Rohit and then after Rohit retires take over for a good 7-8 years. Rohit I feel is older now and there has been a drastic difference in performance from 5 centuries he scored in WC2019 when he was at peak. If you look at 2021 T20 WC, he has lost reflexes and his timing and reaction is later. And then fitness issues. No one can see him last beyond 2023 WC anyway when he will be 36...
 
The man is out of his depth and clearly lacks the ruthlessness, mongrel needed to be the Head Coach of India. He is more suited to be in an environment where he is very well respected, looked up too and most importantly listened too i.e. A team, U-19 team, academies environment. Dealing with established players, IPL prima donnas is a different kettle of fish.

Dravid has hurt his legacy and name by accepting this job. He should have carried on the good work he was doing with the U19, A team and academies.
 
Honing your skill as a coach of a u19 side that is most likely going to win without a coach isn’t the ideal preparation for real, Men’s cricket.

BCCI and lots of gullible Indian fans overestimated the importance of the u19 stint.

Dravid or any aspiring coach should hone their skill dealing with fully grown professional adults with altering personalities and behaviours. Managing a bunch of kids who are hungry for IPL contracts is probably the easiest job in the world
 
The Indian cricket team surrendered to a meek loss at the hands of England in the rescheduled 5th Test at Edgbaston on Tuesday, with the hosts chasing down a mammoth fourth innings target of 378 runs in around 2 sessions to inflict a demoralising and humiliating loss at the Indians. This is India's third straight loss in an away Test match in 2022 and signs are not great.

Indian bowlers struggled in the fourth innings on a track that had very little to offer. Joe Root and Jonny Bairstow made a mockery of India's third and fourth pacers Mohammed Siraj and Shardul Thakur.

Head coach Rahul Dravid was asked if India missed a trick by not including veteran spinner Ravichandran Ashwin in the post match press conference. Dravid said that when they looked at the pitch it had a lot of grass on it and hence they chose to go ahead with Shardul Thakur.

"I think you can always look at the hindsight, look at the combinations of your team. I think Shardul has done a good job for us in these games, it is not easy to leave someone like Ash (Ravichandran Ashwin) out in a Test match, but having said that, when we had looked at the pitch on the first day, it had a pretty even covering of grass, we felt there was enough in the wicket for the fast-bowlers," Dravid said.

He also added that the ball didn't really spin a lot on the wicket at Edgbaston and the lack of sun means the pitch didn't break up towards the last two days.

"Coming to the last day, the wicket has not really spun you know. Whether it was Jack Leach or Ravindra Jadeja who bowled in the Test match, if anything because maybe the weather played a part in the first three days, there weren't long phases of sun but the wicket did not break up as we might have expected it to. It did not spin as much as we expected, it is easy to look back at the fifth day and say it would have been nice to have another spinner, but it did not turn enough to justify that. I think we accept that they played really well, we could have just hit the areas better in the fourth innings," he added.

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Trying new stuff Dravid....


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Say Hello 👋🏻 to our Mental Conditioning Coach - Mr. Paddy Upton 😃<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TeamIndia?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TeamIndia</a> 🇮🇳 <a href="https://t.co/KEjpnXuC81">pic.twitter.com/KEjpnXuC81</a></p>— BCCI (@BCCI) <a href="https://twitter.com/BCCI/status/1551959058994761730?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Enjoying his job?!

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Love the new approach brought by Dravid and the new TM. Hopefully, the results will follow as well. But atleast that pathetically conservative batting in the Powerplay has changed ever since he took over . Great to see :)
 
What a disaster.

He has destroyed the best team in the world.

BCCI needs to sack this coward who has no plan. Team India needs Shastri back.
 
Bad call by Dravid to accept this job. He was doing so well with the U19 and A team. The national team is a different kettle of fish.
 
Dravid has been such a panauti for our cricket.

I chuckle at people saying he has instilled positive vibes in Indian team and that we have started playing lot more freely ever since he took over.

If anything, he has passed on this loserish attitude in the team.
 
What surprises me is Dravid agreeing to be the coach for Indian team. I think once you are away from limelight, you look for relevance so some end up becoming commentators/cheerleaders of Indian team and a few go Dravid way because otherwise it's hard to find an answer. Cricket in India today is not the same as 10 yrs back when players or fans believed it's about country honor.

Today cricketers don't care much about country, Kohli or Sharma or for that matter any Indian player always prefer to play IPL and then rest out during indian matches. There was a time when cricketers and public used to feel genuinely sad (even tearful) for days after losing important matches or tournaments, now it's just 2-3 hours of anger on social media and that too fans mostly either protecting their favorite players or going after those who they don't like. Cricketers themselves are just social media properties more than anything, even on losing they are figuring out ways to get more likes and subscribers, i doubt they feel sad for more than a couple of hours. Their life is sorted with money and glamour, and focus is on just increasing the bank balance and glamour quotient. Victory or defeat doesn't make much difference to indian cricketers lives.

So there's no reason why anyone would want to be the coach of team when there's no nationalistic feeling associated with the game anymore, for Dravid it's all about finding relevance in this new world.
 
MP2011 said:
Dravid has been such a panauti for our cricket.

I chuckle at people saying he has instilled positive vibes in Indian team and that we have started playing lot more freely ever since he took over.

If anything, he has passed on this loserish attitude in the team.
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Said this when he was appointed that he shouldn't become national team's coach ever. He was good for under19 and A teams. We needed someone like Tom Moody who actually has a brain to make strategies. Desi coach will never work unless he becomes a 'yes' man of our captain. :kohli :inti
 
MenInG said:
Trying new stuff Dravid....


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Say Hello 👋🏻 to our Mental Conditioning Coach - Mr. Paddy Upton 😃<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TeamIndia?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TeamIndia</a> 🇮🇳 <a href="https://t.co/KEjpnXuC81">pic.twitter.com/KEjpnXuC81</a></p>— BCCI (@BCCI) <a href="https://twitter.com/BCCI/status/1551959058994761730?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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What exactly is this guy getting paid for?
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Said this when he was appointed that he shouldn't become national team's coach ever. He was good for under19 and A teams. We needed someone like Tom Moody who actually has a brain to make strategies. Desi coach will never work unless he becomes a 'yes' man of our captain. :kohli :inti
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It'll always be a huge mystery for me why didn't Moody ever get to be our coach despite applying for it multiple times!
 
I still don't understand why were Thakur Chahar Axar Ashwin were given chances instead of Umran Mohsin Tewatia Kuldeep sen and Kuldeep Yadav
 
cricketjoshila said:
I still don't understand why were Thakur Chahar Axar Ashwin were given chances instead of Umran Mohsin Tewatia Kuldeep sen and Kuldeep Yadav
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Dravid is too old school

I bet Tendulkar, Ganguly and Laxman would have the same approach as him if they were head coaches of India. They are used to the mindset that the bowlers just need to hit the right lengths with swing and the batsman will do their job chasing targets or setting big totals for them.

They practically played their entire India careers with medium pace seamers with the occasional fast bowler who regularly hit 140+
 
Mamoon said:
What a disaster.

He has destroyed the best team in the world.

BCCI needs to sack this coward who has no plan. Team India needs Shastri back.
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Shastri's team that got knocked out in the 1st round in the World T20 last year after meekly surrendering to both Pakistan and NZ?
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Shastri's team that got knocked out in the 1st round in the World T20 last year after meekly surrendering to both Pakistan and NZ?
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Last t20wc in Dubai was won by team winning toss.

Except that last wc we have reached to Finals/SF in all big tournaments under Shastri including WTC.
 
Like Anil Kumble, he's an awful coach.

Poor captains tend to make poor coaches. He was awful as skipper in the 2007 WC as well.
 
Dravid has been nothing short of disaster for our senior cricket. Ever since he became our coach, we have not won anything except for some useless bilateral contests.
 
His coaching method is too defensive plus I think he had to deal with Kohli-Sharma rift. Look how Kohli looked and shook his hand with Dravid. Not even a single eye contact. Something doesn’t smell right.

You think Kohli thrashed this game up same way as CT2017 to kick Dravid out?
 
Lol at Indians blaming Dravid. It's the captain who runs the show ie Rohit Sharma
 
Great coach with Midas touch....even from the rsa tour where we was 1-0 and ended 1-2....till this world cup selecting kl,and opening with Rohit and discarding pant....never ever won a tournament in his captaincy or by his batting
 
ezhil said:
Great coach with Midas touch....even from the rsa tour where we was 1-0 and ended 1-2....till this world cup selecting kl,and opening with Rohit and discarding pant....never ever won a tournament in his captaincy or by his batting
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You forgot last test against England earlier this year.

We were quite ahead of England after first innings got over, still England mauled us really badly in the end.
 
So those who say he is found wanting only in LoIs are wrong. He is nothing special even in tests, strategy wise.
 
I like that he came to the press conference like a gentleman during post match to face the music. I can only imagine who would have been sent here if it was Pakistan losing like this today.
 
‘MS Dhoni would be my first choice as India head coach’: Ex-Pakistan captain Salman Butt

With the defeat in the semi-final of T20 World Cup 2022, Team India's drought of not winning any ICC trophy since 2013 has continued.

After India's ouster from the semi-finals of T20 World Cup 2022, several critics and cricket experts are questioning the role of head coach Rahul Dravid and captain Rohit Sharma. Team India lost to South Africa in the group stages and was routed by England in the semi-final. The conservative approach of the Indian top-order on a placid batting track at the Adelaide Oval attracted a flak from various quarters.

Amid the ongoing debate over an overhaul of Team India's setup including the captain, former Pakistan captain Salman Butt has backed MS Dhoni for the role of India's head coach.

"Both VVS Laxman and Virender Sehwag were fantastic players. But leadership and tactical prowess are very important because a coach also needs to be a mentor to the players. Looking at how successful MS Dhoni was in those aspects, he would be my first choice," said Butt on his YouTube channel.

The former cricketer further suggested the Indian think tank to give more chances to youngsters in the future.

"Greater things don't happen unless you take risks. This is not a risk, it is more about testing the players. It won't be the case that everyone will succeed, but you need to at least give people opportunities. By giving them more chances, you will be able to identify one or two players who can fill those gaps," said Butt.

Team India are currently touring New Zeland for a three-match T20I series and as many ODIs. Both head Coach Dravid and captain Rohit have been rested for the tour. In their absence, VVS Laxman has taken over as head coach while Hardik Pandya and Shikhar Dhawan will be captains in the T20Is and ODIs respectively.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...name-as-india-head-coach-101668591033657.html
 
Team India faced a disappointing defeat in the final of the World Test Championship against Australia at The Oval, as the side conceded a 209-run loss in the title clash. This was India's second-successive loss in the final of the tournament; the side had endured a seven-wicket loss against New Zealand in the final two years ago. The side faced batting collapses across both innings in the game against Australia; in a mammoth 444-run chase, India were bowled out for 234 after resuming at 164/3 on the final day.

Australia were dominant throughout the five days of the Test; they posted a strong score of 469 in the first innings, and then bowled out the Indian team on 296; if not for Ajinkya Rahane (89) and Shardul Thakur (51), it could've been much worse for the side. The Aussies, then, put out another impressive outing as they scored 270/8 as Indian pacers failed to impress again.

Following the defeat, Team India's head coach Rahul Dravid was asked on whether he was happy with the side's preparations for the final. All players of the Indian squad bar Cheteshwar Pujara took part in the 2023 Indian Premier League, and began to arrive in England less than two weeks before the start of the WTC Final.

“I'm never going to be happy with the preparations as a coach. But that's the reality I'm ready to accept, and we all have to accept. The schedules are so cramped and tight. These guys know… if you're playing international cricket, and if you're here 3 weeks before the tour, playing two side-games, you are going to be better prepared,” a visibly frustrated Dravid said on Star Sports.

"But we don't have that. The situation doesn't allow it. We have to make do with what we can. No excuses, no complaints, I just want to congratulate Australia on winning the final, they played better than us on all five days.

“We just need to look at ourselves, see how we can get better, and what we can improve on,” the India head coach said.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...ant-after-wtc-final-loss-101686486541347.html
 
happydavy said:
What surprises me is Dravid agreeing to be the coach for Indian team. I think once you are away from limelight, you look for relevance so some end up becoming commentators/cheerleaders of Indian team and a few go Dravid way because otherwise it's hard to find an answer. Cricket in India today is not the same as 10 yrs back when players or fans believed it's about country honor.

Today cricketers don't care much about country, Kohli or Sharma or for that matter any Indian player always prefer to play IPL and then rest out during indian matches. There was a time when cricketers and public used to feel genuinely sad (even tearful) for days after losing important matches or tournaments, now it's just 2-3 hours of anger on social media and that too fans mostly either protecting their favorite players or going after those who they don't like. Cricketers themselves are just social media properties more than anything, even on losing they are figuring out ways to get more likes and subscribers, i doubt they feel sad for more than a couple of hours. Their life is sorted with money and glamour, and focus is on just increasing the bank balance and glamour quotient. Victory or defeat doesn't make much difference to indian cricketers lives.

So there's no reason why anyone would want to be the coach of team when there's no nationalistic feeling associated with the game anymore, for Dravid it's all about finding relevance in this new world.
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I am still confused why is he holding the job and not resigning and moving on. There's nothing for him to achieve in this job and his old school coaching style has no relevance in today's time. For all the stakeholders of Indian cricket, Dravid matters the least. Players don't care about international cricket, bcci doesn't care and Indian fans mostly are stupid, they can be easily maneuvered. Dravid can keep grinding his teeth but he took the job knowing the realities so he has no reason to complain. Didn't he witness how Indian team frittered away their best chance of winning a series in England when they didn't appear for 4th test match only to be available for IPL a week later. So he basically has 2 options now - to stick around and hope india wins the wc and he resigns then or he resigns now. I would hope he resigns now because even if india wins the wc, there's no way it will be because of Dravid, so he ain't going to get any credit or any IPL coaching job.
 
topspin said:
Like Anil Kumble, he's an awful coach.

Poor captains tend to make poor coaches. He was awful as skipper in the 2007 WC as well.
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Whhat do u eat for a living ? See win loss record under Kumble...its in the top 4 if not the best.... Kumble was the only coach who brought discipline to kohlis arrogant ways
 
Seems too nice a guy to be a head coach of an international team.

Could he sort out a few egos in the dressing room - I doubt it.
 
MenInG said:
Team India faced a disappointing defeat in the final of the World Test Championship against Australia at The Oval, as the side conceded a 209-run loss in the title clash. This was India's second-successive loss in the final of the tournament; the side had endured a seven-wicket loss against New Zealand in the final two years ago. The side faced batting collapses across both innings in the game against Australia; in a mammoth 444-run chase, India were bowled out for 234 after resuming at 164/3 on the final day.

Australia were dominant throughout the five days of the Test; they posted a strong score of 469 in the first innings, and then bowled out the Indian team on 296; if not for Ajinkya Rahane (89) and Shardul Thakur (51), it could've been much worse for the side. The Aussies, then, put out another impressive outing as they scored 270/8 as Indian pacers failed to impress again.

Following the defeat, Team India's head coach Rahul Dravid was asked on whether he was happy with the side's preparations for the final. All players of the Indian squad bar Cheteshwar Pujara took part in the 2023 Indian Premier League, and began to arrive in England less than two weeks before the start of the WTC Final.

“I'm never going to be happy with the preparations as a coach. But that's the reality I'm ready to accept, and we all have to accept. The schedules are so cramped and tight. These guys know… if you're playing international cricket, and if you're here 3 weeks before the tour, playing two side-games, you are going to be better prepared,” a visibly frustrated Dravid said on Star Sports.

"But we don't have that. The situation doesn't allow it. We have to make do with what we can. No excuses, no complaints, I just want to congratulate Australia on winning the final, they played better than us on all five days.

“We just need to look at ourselves, see how we can get better, and what we can improve on,” the India head coach said.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...ant-after-wtc-final-loss-101686486541347.html
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- The schedules are so cramped and tight.
- These guys know… if you're playing international cricket, and if you're here 3 weeks before the tour, playing two side-games, you are going to be better prepared. But we don't have that. The situation doesn't allow it.
- We have to make do with what we can.

Gave a full list of excuses first and then to maintain the nice guy image, just add in the end 'No excuses, no complaints'.
 
One word , absolute Diasaster
Dravid and ganguly built the team in 2000 and systematically dismantled it now , player like dravid will never be comfortable with kohli aggressive and on face attitude, he silently dismantled and destroyed this team
I will rate him together with Greg Chapel and 90s indian coaches , atleast Chappel identified and supported Dhoni as captain , this guy totally destroyed it
 
Dravid is poor coach. Too stubborn to change or accept mistakes. He has his favourites and he will play them no matter how poor they are. He selects players and then makes team. So team is made as per players and not players selected as per requirement.

Vikram Rathore is a third rate coach. He is holding one post or other in the BCCI since 2012. He was appointed a selector despite not holding an Indian passport.

Paras Mhambrey is a brilliant technical coach. But not that good strategically. Bharat Arun was a brilliant strategic coach.
 
Banda298 said:
Whhat do u eat for a living ? See win loss record under Kumble...its in the top 4 if not the best.... Kumble was the only coach who brought discipline to kohlis arrogant ways
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It doesn't matter what I eat for a living but what I can say is, an appetite for slower bowling will result in yielding medicore slow spin and medium pace bowling.
 
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He has helped put the team in an amazing mental space. See the fielding medal and the camaraderie in the team. His hand picked coaching team Vikram, Dilip and Paras have all been instrumental in helping players tune up brilliantly for the tournament.

He has coordinated well with captain, selectors and NCA head while monitoring recovery timelines of injured players to pick a squad that covers all bases. ICT had a plan B for every situation and for replacing every player and even handled the loss of irreplaceable Hardik with aplomb (SKY was in squad exactly for this scenario).

Kudos to Rahul Dravid. He was the perfect coach for the perfect World Cup. It has been a rare treat to watch his press conferences as well. Every fan that doubted his process and vision should apologize.

Whatever happens from here does not matter, the teams preparation and performance has been brilliant. Results will sometimes go your way and sometimes not but Dravid has given the country a great deal of joy and fulfilled his remit as coach.

Take a bow.
 
pratiktc said:
He has helped put the team in an amazing mental space. See the fielding medal and the camaraderie in the team. His hand picked coaching team Vikram, Dilip and Paras have all been instrumental in helping players tune up brilliantly for the tournament.

He has coordinated well with captain, selectors and NCA head while monitoring recovery timelines of injured players to pick a squad that covers all bases. ICT had a plan B for every situation and for replacing every player and even handled the loss of irreplaceable Hardik with aplomb (SKY was in squad exactly for this scenario).

Kudos to Rahul Dravid. He was the perfect coach for the perfect World Cup. It has been a rare treat to watch his press conferences as well. Every fan that doubted his process and vision should apologize.

Whatever happens from here does not matter, the teams preparation and performance has been brilliant. Results will sometimes go your way and sometimes not but Dravid has given the country a great deal of joy and fulfilled his remit as coach.

Take a bow.
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He’s been playing 5D chess all this while. Always a step ahead of his fellow coaches.
 
Beautiful moment today. Bengaluru crowd gave one of the loudest cheers of the day for the greatest cricketer they've produced.
 
He has been doing an excellent job with the Indian team. Pakistan team also needs a person like him who puts all his focus on his main job rather than having too much media time. I think Pakistan should also persist with a local coach for a few years. One name that comes into my mind is Younis Khan.
 
Rahul Dravid Not Keen To Continue As India Coach, VVS Laxman May Take Over: Sources

Rahul Dravid is not keen on extending his contract as the head coach of the Indian men's cricket team, with National Cricket Academy (NCA) chief VVS Laxman likely to take over from him, sources told NDTV on Thursday. Sources have confirmed that Dravid, whose contract ended following the conclusion of the ODI World Cup last week, has decided not to continue as the head coach of the Indian team. Last week, India were beaten in the World Cup final at the expense of Australia.

Sources have also confirmed that former India batter and Dravid's ex-teammate Laxman is likely to take the role of head coach.

Laxman has been named as the designated head coach for the five-match T20I series against Australia, starting later on Thursday.

Dravid was appointed head coach of the team, having also served as the head of the NCA, in 2021 after India's campaign came to an early end in the T20 World Cup in the UAE.

Under the guidance of Dravid, India reached the finals of the ICC World Test Championship and the ODI World Cup, but the team lost to Australia on both occasions. They also reached the semi-final of the T20 World Cup last year, going down to eventual champions England.

However, India won the Asia Cup earlier this year with Dravid at the helm.

On being asked about his future after the final defeat to Australia, Dravid remained non-committal.

"I haven't thought about it. I've just come off a game. I had no time to think about this and no time to reflect on this. Yeah, I will when I get the time to do that," Dravid had said at post-match media conference.



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Rahul Dravid Not Keen To Continue As India Coach, VVS Laxman May Take Over: Sources | Cricket News

Rahul Dravid is not keen on extending his contract as the head coach of the Indian men's cricket team, with National Cricket Academy (NCA) chief VVS Laxman likely to take over from him, sources told NDTV on Thursday.
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The most respectable cricketer India has produced and possibly the nicest too.

He was instrumental in changing India's strategy of building steady and then accelerate to take the attack on from ball 1. Getting one of the best LOI batters in the world to alter his style right before the world cup was no easy task. Kudos to Rohit for being selfless enough to accept it and execute it to near perfection as well.

I know Pak can't get him as a coach but hoping to see him involved with some PSL franchise one day.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Rahul Dravid Not Keen To Continue As India Coach, VVS Laxman May Take Over: Sources

Rahul Dravid is not keen on extending his contract as the head coach of the Indian men's cricket team, with National Cricket Academy (NCA) chief VVS Laxman likely to take over from him, sources told NDTV on Thursday. Sources have confirmed that Dravid, whose contract ended following the conclusion of the ODI World Cup last week, has decided not to continue as the head coach of the Indian team. Last week, India were beaten in the World Cup final at the expense of Australia.

Sources have also confirmed that former India batter and Dravid's ex-teammate Laxman is likely to take the role of head coach.

Laxman has been named as the designated head coach for the five-match T20I series against Australia, starting later on Thursday.

Dravid was appointed head coach of the team, having also served as the head of the NCA, in 2021 after India's campaign came to an early end in the T20 World Cup in the UAE.

Under the guidance of Dravid, India reached the finals of the ICC World Test Championship and the ODI World Cup, but the team lost to Australia on both occasions. They also reached the semi-final of the T20 World Cup last year, going down to eventual champions England.

However, India won the Asia Cup earlier this year with Dravid at the helm.

On being asked about his future after the final defeat to Australia, Dravid remained non-committal.

"I haven't thought about it. I've just come off a game. I had no time to think about this and no time to reflect on this. Yeah, I will when I get the time to do that," Dravid had said at post-match media conference.



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Rahul Dravid Not Keen To Continue As India Coach, VVS Laxman May Take Over: Sources | Cricket News

Rahul Dravid is not keen on extending his contract as the head coach of the Indian men's cricket team, with National Cricket Academy (NCA) chief VVS Laxman likely to take over from him, sources told NDTV on Thursday.
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Will he continue working with the U19, A team and Academies?
 
Caved12 said:
Not Dravid's fault. Dravid just started in the midst of all the drama in between players, selectors and Ganguly. This is something that started long ago and no coach would help you succeed in a situation like the one they are experiencing these days. Dravid is a solid coach who should be given at least 2 years to fix this mess.
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2 years exactly eh. Like I said there was nothing wrong with the way Dravid was coaching this team. Great coach!
 
Caved12 said:
You are always wrong. Dravid is a great coach
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Dravid is a poor coach and the fact that his contract will not be renewed is good news for Indian cricket. Ravi Shastri was much better than him - he wasn’t really a coach but you don’t need one at the highest level anyway.

What you need is a motivator who can keep everything in line and create an environment that facilitates a high performance culture.

What Shastri managed to do with a third string team of India in Australia in 2020/21 is something that Dravid would have never achieved.

The way he uplifted the squad and liberated them from the 36 all out humiliation to winning the series showed his value in the dressing room and how his confident and arrogant personality boosted the confidence of the Indian players who could have easily crumbed after the first Test in Australia.
 
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Mamoon said:
The way he uplifted the squad and liberated them from the 36 all out humiliation to winning the series showed his value in the dressing room and how his confident and arrogant personality boosted the confidence of the Indian players who could have easily crumbed after the first Test in Australia.
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As usual wrong.

Shashtri was also there when India were 36 all out. Why not blame Shashtri for that abysmal performance?

What changed after 36 all out was the absence of Kohli - who bailed mid series and ran home - the absence of Kohli uplifted the Indian team.

Let this sink in.
 
He won because he had brilliant players at his disposal. Winning 10 World Cup matches on the bounce with this bunch of players is nowhere near as big an achievement as winning a Test series in Australia against a full-strength Australia with almost all your first-choice XI unavailable due to a multitude of reasons.

What Shastri did with that Indian team is far and beyond Dravid’s capabilities. You don’t need coaches at the top level and he is not much of a motivator. He has no personality at all. Zero presence.

He needs to go back to the junior levels where he can coach young Indian FC batsmen.
 
Technics 1210 said:
As usual wrong.

Shashtri was also there when India were 36 all out. Why not blame Shashtri for that abysmal performance?

What changed after 36 all out was the absence of Kohli - who bailed mid series and ran home - the absence of Kohli uplifted the Indian team.

Let this sink in.
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When India lost the Adelaide Test and Kohli went home, you categorically stated that India will not recover from this especially after Kohli’s absence and that the Adelaide Test proved that the 2018 series win was a fluke especially due to the absence of Smith and Warner.

Now acting as if people have a good understanding of how and why India won the 2020-21 series. didn’t have a clue back then and don’t have a clue now.
 
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CVS laxman should not be allowed anywhere near the ind team as a coach. He's a horrible coach with outdated approaches. He was a disaster at sunrisers Hyderabad in the ipl.. I would prefer a non Indian- a foreigner for the job who actually has some coaching credentials anot just because he was a good player back in the day with no coaching knowledge
 
Mamoon said:
When India lost the Adelaide Test and Kohli went home, you categorically stated that India will not recover from this especially after Kohli’s absence and that the Adelaide Test proved that the 2018 series win was a fluke especially due to the absence of Smith and Warner.

Now acting as if people have a good understanding of how and why India won the 2020-21 series. didn’t have a clue back then and don’t have a clue now.
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Good that you accept Shastri was responsible for 36 all out.

Fact is, India won that series in the absence of Kohli and not some uplifting speech by Shashtri.

Dravid was all good up to the point India had won 10/10 in the WC, but now your team lost in the final, it is Dravid's fault.

Maybe next time don't make predictions like England/India will win the WC.
 
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Mamoon said:
Dravid is a poor coach and the fact that his contract will not be renewed is good news for Indian cricket. Ravi Shastri was much better than him - he wasn’t really a coach but you don’t need one at the highest level anyway.

What you need is a motivator who can keep everything in line and create an environment that facilitates a high performance culture.

What Shastri managed to do with a third string team of India in Australia in 2020/21 is something that Dravid would have never achieved.

The way he uplifted the squad and liberated them from the 36 all out humiliation to winning the series showed his value in the dressing room and how his confident and arrogant personality boosted the confidence of the Indian players who could have easily crumbed after the first Test in Australia.
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Shastri was great and I have nothing but respect for him and his team that won a test series in Australia without Virat Kohli.

That's true, you can't coach much at the international level during an on going tournament or a bilateral series, but to say that you just need a motivator only at that level is totally wrong. Young players always need a coach who is more than a motivator.
 
Dravid is a very process driven coach . Best coach we've had in a very long time. India's dominance until the final was a result of the processes he and Rohit had set in place. Hope whoever comes in doesn't ruin the good work. From reports, Dravid was not convinced by the SKY selection and it proved it be a bit of a disaster.

Dravid-Rohit combo is the best thing to happen to Indian cricket in a very long time. I just hope the new coach and captain select and develop players better.

Im personally of the opinion that India's domestic has to improve to really make a change going forward. What has been done at the top level is as good as it gets.
 
Dravid has transformed india to a force that it is now a days since he has joined. He might be disheartened at tha fact that they lost to Australia in the final after complete domination in league stage and semi final.
 
Dravid and the team management were outclassed tactically by Australia.

About time we have a coach who is tactically sound.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Good that you accept Shastri was responsible for 36 all out.

Fact is, India won that series in the absence of Kohli and not some uplifting speech by Shashtri.

Dravid was all good up to the point India had won 10/10 in the WC, but now your team lost in the final, it is Dravid's fault.

Maybe next time don't make predictions like England/India will win the WC.
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But after India were dismissed for 36 and Kohli went home, you categorically stated that India will get whitewashed now due to his absence and Smith & Warner’s presence.

Now that your prediction backfired in hilarious fashion, you are crediting the series win to Kohli’s absence. So which one is it?

I predicted England to win the World Cup in 2019 and I was right. I predicted England to not win the World Cup in 2023 because they didn’t learn from their mistakes and persisted with rubbish players like Moeen and I was right again.
 
Caved12 said:
Shastri was great and I have nothing but respect for him and his team that won a test series in Australia without Virat Kohli.

That's true, you can't coach much at the international level during an on going tournament or a bilateral series, but to say that you just need a motivator only at that level is totally wrong. Young players always need a coach who is more than a motivator.
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At international level, players - young or old - need a mental coach and a tactician who can decide a strategy/plan in partnership with the captain and then it is up to the players to execute that plan.

You don’t need a coach in its true sense because by then it is too late. The players who are playing in international have their techniques and idiosyncrasies ingrained in them and it is too late to change that. You have to work around them.

You need coaches at junior levels but you need managers at the top level. For example, Gill is a brilliant player but it is true that he is very handsy.

It can be his downfall at times but a coach changing that now would most likely ruin his career. Being handsy is what has helped him reach this level and the job of the India’s coach is to work around it and devise a method for him with which he can be as successful as he can be while being handsy.
 
MenInG said:
After one game?
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I am not talking about VVS.

I am saying about time India has s tactically sound coach.

The way Australia tactically outclassed India in the finals, speaks volumes about the lack of counter tactics from India.

Ability carried India to the finals, but they lost tactically in the finals.

And in my opinion, VVS isn't a great tactician.

We should have a foreign coach.

Dravid was never a great tactician.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Dravid has transformed india to a force that it is now a days since he has joined. He might be disheartened at tha fact that they lost to Australia in the final after complete domination in league stage and semi final.
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Sorry don't agree.

Indian team has players full of abilities.

What is needed is to channel that properly.

Look at how Bharat Arun and his tactics in 2020-21 won India series in Australia. Australia was by far the better team pound for pound. But India were tactically superior.
 
Mamoon said:
At international level, players - young or old - need a mental coach and a tactician who can decide a strategy/plan in partnership with the captain and then it is up to the players to execute that plan.

You don’t need a coach in its true sense because by then it is too late. The players who are playing in international have their techniques and idiosyncrasies ingrained in them and it is too late to change that. You have to work around them.

You need coaches at junior levels but you need managers at the top level. For example, Gill is a brilliant player but it is true that he is very handsy.

It can be his downfall at times but a coach changing that now would most likely ruin his career. Being handsy is what has helped him reach this level and the job of the India’s coach is to work around it and devise a method for him with which he can be as successful as he can be while being handsy.
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Pretty basic stuff you wrote in your post. You are still missing the point. You need a coach who is actually both, a motivator and a qualified coach who can understand the faults in their technique and then come up with a plan that can help them succeed with all their flaws. Just to give you a very small example here, remember Azharuddin's suggestion that helped Younis Khan score 218 at the oval. A motivator like Shastri will never be able to think at a grand scale for all 15 players and make suggestions like that.
 
Caved12 said:
Pretty basic stuff you wrote in your post. You are still missing the point. You need a coach who is actually both, a motivator and a qualified coach who can understand the faults in their technique and then come up with a plan that can help them succeed with all their flaws. Just to give you a very small example here, remember Azharuddin's suggestion that helped Younis Khan score 218 at the oval. A motivator like Shastri will never be able to think at a grand scale for all 15 players and make suggestions like that.
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I’m not missing any point and I have resort to “basic stuff” to educate people who think that technical coaches make a difference in international cricket.

Younis with 10k runs and 20 years of cricket cannot change his technique in the twilight of his career. It is impossible. His muscle memory will not allow it.

Azharuddin did exactly what a coach should be doing at the top level. Help players work their way around what they already have. Facilitate them don’t teach them.

The only thing that Azharuddin told him was to “stay in the crease” and this what you want from coaches at the top level not them trying to change what you have by teaching you fundamentals.

Younis Khan throughout his career has been a nervous starter. His first 40-50 deliveries would always be chaotic but once he survived that period, he would be as dangerous as anyone which is why he scored so many runs and so many big double-hundreds.

It was not uncommon for him to fail in 3-4 innings and then produce a big one. He did it numerous times in Pakistan and UAE as well, but people don’t remember that because overseas tours usually stand out more.

Younis made a minor adjustment, it was a good batting surface and he faced Moeen from one end as soon as he came to the crease which allowed him to settle quickly and get a big score.

He may or may not have scored that double-century because of Azharuddin’s advice. Correlation vs causation. He might not even have implemented his advice properly but he thought that he did but since he scored after he spoke with him, he is now primed to believe that he scored because of the advice that he received.

It is like making a prayer to get something you want. You might have gotten it without the prayer as well, but now you have every reason to believe that you got it because of the prayer.
 
Mamoon said:
I’m not missing any point and I have resort to “basic stuff” to educate people who think that technical coaches make a difference in international cricket.

Younis with 10k runs and 20 years of cricket cannot change his technique in the twilight of his career. It is impossible. His muscle memory will not allow it.

Azharuddin did exactly what a coach should be doing at the top level. Help players work their way around what they already have. Facilitate them don’t teach them.

The only thing that Azharuddin told him was to “stay in the crease” and this what you want from coaches at the top level not them trying to change what you have by teaching you fundamentals.

Younis Khan throughout his career has been a nervous starter. His first 40-50 deliveries would always be chaotic but once he survived that period, he would be as dangerous as anyone which is why he scored so many runs and so many big double-hundreds.

It was not uncommon for him to fail in 3-4 innings and then produce a big one. He did it numerous times in Pakistan and UAE as well, but people don’t remember that because overseas tours usually stand out more.

Younis made a minor adjustment, it was a good batting surface and he faced Moeen from one end as soon as he came to the crease which allowed him to settle quickly and get a big score.

He may or may not have scored that double-century because of Azharuddin’s advice. Correlation vs causation. He might not even have implemented his advice properly but he thought that he did but since he scored after he spoke with him, he is now primed to believe that he scored because of the advice that he received.

It is like making a prayer to get something you want. You might have gotten it without the prayer as well, but now you have every reason to believe that you got it because of the prayer.
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As always you are all over the place and losing it completely when I have proven you wrong. You have written this long post just so you can hide behind it.

Where did I say that he changed his technique? I just said that in order to give that suggestion, a coach must understand the flaws in their technique and find a workaround based on that.

and of course the adjustment has to be minor.

You are forgetting that we were discussing Shastri and how he was just a motivator and not a coach. Not capable of thinking at the level Dravid can technically. The reason why India decided to get rid of him and brought Dravid as their new coach.

Besides, young players always go to their coach and ask if they can make some minor adjustments in their technique if possible. A coach would asses and tell them if it is possible or not and give them a plan to work on whenever they get a break.

A coach of any international team is not just a coach when a series or a tournament is going on. He is a coach in the off season too where he must work with them and bring whatever improvement he can to improve their game.

A motivator like Shastri would not be able to do all of the above because he is just a motivator and not exactly a coach.
 
Mamoon said:
But after India were dismissed for 36 and Kohli went home, you categorically stated that India will get whitewashed now due to his absence and Smith & Warner’s presence.

Now that your prediction backfired in hilarious fashion, you are crediting the series win to Kohli’s absence. So which one is it?

I predicted England to win the World Cup in 2019 and I was right. I predicted England to not win the World Cup in 2023 because they didn’t learn from their mistakes and persisted with rubbish players like Moeen and I was right again.
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What are you going on about now?

Fact is Shastri was responsible for 36 all out, and absence of Kohli made a difference in the series. There is no question of "which is it?"

Save your failed predictions for another thread, in the mean time give credit to Dravid for India winning 10/10 games in the WC - since you were bleating on about how India's relentless performance in the WC should be praised!
 
Technics 1210 said:
What are you going on about now?

Fact is Shastri was responsible for 36 all out, and absence of Kohli made a difference in the series. There is no question of "which is it?"

Save your failed predictions for another thread, in the mean time give credit to Dravid for India winning 10/10 games in the WC - since you were bleating on about how India's relentless performance in the WC should be praised!
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Hold on, not so fast. I won’t let you get away with this.

After India were shot for 36 and Kohli left, you claimed that India would get whitewashed without Kohli.

Now since that prediction blew in your face, you are claiming that India won because Kohli left.

Comical.
 
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