Ravichandran Ashwin and Ravindra Jadeja on flat pitches

[Xoib]

Its not a bash the Indians post as it may look.

But for the past couple of years I have held this theory the Indian pitches makes them look better then what they are.

Yes these were flat pitches but I very much doubt Murali and Warne would get the hiding which these 2 got through the tournament and they were never really up agaist some great players of spin. I think India pacers will have to do the heavy lifting during the away tours leg because I struggle to see them replicating the home season bowling averages.

They are good bowlers but their stats are padded up.

 

[cr7great]

they are freepasser on flat pitches

 

[Poison]

To be fair Jadeja wasn't that poor - he was on a hiding to nothing on most pitches and ran into an absolutely rampant leftie in Zaman.

Ashwin was unbelievably poor. He did not try to spin a ball and literally speared it into Zaman's pads all innings. Defensive, fearful cricket.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Overrated spinners, based on their performances in India. They are as poor as anyone on flat pitches and can't be regarded as a wicket taking option.

 

[Hasan123]

Both have had some decent performances on flat pitches. But obviously they are more effective on pitches that offer turn.

 

[Khwaja]

I agree... our Imad and Shadab are much better on flat tracks...

 

[PakLFC]

Totally ineffective on flat tracks. Only one of them should have played against us.

 

[SandyB]

Jadeja killed it on flat tracks in the past England and Australia home tours. On pitches were India notched up 750 and in the later series with AUS..

Their problem is they are now diverging from the containment style of game-play that the had when the were launched into the LOI team. Their bowling after becoming test regulars requires more overtly attacking fields to succeed which cant be had in Flat ODI wickets. And they over-compensate by bowling ultra-defensive lines.

 

[Sachin136]

They have performed many times on flat pitches in tests (NZ, England series). They just don't seem like great ODI bowlers.

 

[troodon]

Finger spinners are useless on modern day LOI flat pitches. You need wrist spinners or mystery spinners to get wickets.

It was a mistake to play Ashwin on these pitches. He was getting no turn and his flight was being used as an invitation to hit. So he started to dart the balls hoping that it will only go for singles or twos.

India should play a leggie (Chahal) or Kuldeep (Chinaman) from now on. Both can bowl wrong'uns and are not easy to hit.

Kuldeep should be given a long run starting from WI series. He is the future.

Ashwin should stick to Tests.

 

[Mamoon]

I agree... our Imad and Shadab are much better on flat tracks...

Jadeja is miles better than Imad when it comes to bowling.

 

[Syed1]

They looked like gully mohallah level practice bowlers in the final. I think that is their level outside of India.

 

[Khwaja]

Jadeja is miles better than Imad when it comes to bowling.

No he's not

 

[Khan12]

They weren't playing on a minefield in India. That's all. I ridiculous to see jadeja averaging 23 with the bowl in test cricket. Absolute disgrace.

 

[The_Odd_One]

I have started to think that Jadeja is actually a better bowler. Iconic Ashwin is the biggest HTB of all time. Even darter Imad is better than him on flat tracks.

 

[Mamoon]

No he's not

Yeah you are right.

 

[vandokkum]

Ashwin and Jadeja's test records will also look very different after a few overseas tours of SA/ Aus.

 

[Khwaja]

Ashwin and Jadeja's test records will also look very different after a few overseas tours of SA/ Aus.

Ravi Ashwin v South Africa. 2017 @ Cape Town. 1st ODI

0 Wickets / 86 Runs (5.0 overs)
12 wds 4 nbs 0 lbs

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Ashwin was coming off an injury. Hernia isn't a good feeling to have, plus once you get the hernia, it's recurrence rate is very high, it can play to the mind of the athlete. There is always a risk of strangulation, which might have dented Ashwin's confidence. Ashwin will be able to make a strong comeback I feel.

Jadeja on the other hand, was poor in this tournament, either he is out of form or on the decline.

 

[akki]

Ashwin has to be the one of the most overrated indian spinner. its not only this match but in general as well whenever pitch offers nothing or pitch is flat he looks clueless most of the times. Bowlers like him should not come on n.o1 rank in test matches. he cant even take wickets outside asia in test matches.Jadeja is okk sort of player but if you hit him one or 2 sixes. he is no more the same bowler as well, have seen it many times.

 

[Leeon1994]

They are only good at home made Indian pitches.

 

[Hasan123]

Sometimes the biased nature of this forum is ridiculous. On what planet is Imad better than Jadeja as a bowler?

Jadeja was brilliant in CT 2013. Imad wasn't as good as that in this tournament.

 

[ManFan]

Always maintained that they were overrated but at least Jadeja can contain runs when needed.

 

[todfod 11]

To be fair Jadeja wasn't that poor - he was on a hiding to nothing on most pitches and ran into an absolutely rampant leftie in Zaman.

Ashwin was unbelievably poor. He did not try to spin a ball and literally speared it into Zaman's pads all innings. Defensive, fearful cricket.

i think ashwin was unfit he nevèr looked interested

 

[SandyB]

Jadeja and Ash are coming off Injuries, I feel they were rushed into the IPL (Jadeja) and later in this CT. We have 2 good LOI wrist spinners in the ranks (Chalal and Kuldeep), need to try them out on the smaller tours.

 

[Executioner]

Like those two Shakib has also become ineffective on flat wickets.

Shakib was a world class bowler in the first 6-7 years in international cricket with 5 wicket hauls even on flat wickets.

These days the ball doesn't spin at all. Infact the two new ball rule means that the ball never gets really too old. The white ball really spins after 20 overs. Now with two balls that's after 40 overs.

It's the era where wrist spinners dominate cricket. Infact not traditional ones like Yasir Shah. The likes of Rashid Khan Zampa Tahir badree are much more darters

 

[FreakCricket]

its embarrassing to see ashwin who dominates in india become bheegi bili overseas!

 

[RamLakhan]

India has to look beyond Jadeja & Ashwin at least in LOIs, sure they are still bankable/experienced in Test matches to bowl longer spells with patience, but I think they are outdated when it comes to current LOI trends.

Kuldeep, Krunal and others will add new dimension not only to the bowling, but also fielding (though Jadeja is brilliant in this area, but Ashwin is a weak link for sure) Also their batting is more innovative & dependable in LOIs. We should at least choose one out of Ashwin/Jadeja & Krunal/Kuldeep combo in LOIs. In my opinion we should swap between Jadeja, Kuldeep, Krunal and others, Ashwin is a big liability in LOIs, and he is no more magical to play solely as ace spinner!

 

[Pete Rose]

they are becoming test options on balanced pitches. not sure how they did in odis at home.

 

[troodon]

India has to look beyond Jadeja & Ashwin at least in LOIs, sure they are still bankable/experienced in Test matches to bowl longer spells with patience, but I think they are outdated when it comes to current LOI trends.

Kuldeep, Krunal and others will add new dimension not only to the bowling, but also fielding (though Jadeja is brilliant in this area, but Ashwin is a weak link for sure) Also their batting is more innovative & dependable in LOIs. We should at least choose one out of Ashwin/Jadeja & Krunal/Kuldeep combo in LOIs. In my opinion we should swap between Jadeja, Kuldeep, Krunal and others, Ashwin is a big liability in LOIs, and he is no more magical to play solely as ace spinner!

Ashwin will be useful in ODI's in Subcontinent and even may be UAE which can offer slight turn. But in AUs/England/NZ, the pitches will be extremely flat.

All bowlers need a doosra/googly to succeed in LOI now. Hence leggeis will always out perform finger spinner offies. Ashwin should stick to Tests.

Jaddu is still useful in ODI's and T20's. He can bowl economically most of the times and he is a brilliant fielder. However, its time to try out the likes of Kuldeep, Krunal and Chahal.

 

[SandyB]

they are becoming test options on balanced pitches. not sure how they did in odis at home.

They both (especially Jadeja) have vastly improved as test players , both in batting and bowling . But their ODI game has regressed. We already have enough talent to spare, so I'm not actually worried. India need to try out other options too .

 

[bluevision]

They are the 'appendix' of Ind team in LOIs.