Ravichandran Ashwin or Yasir Shah - Who is the better bowler?

[TalentSpotterPk]

Yasir has a problem of not being able to turn the ball. Needs to sort it out but I saw two three issues :

1. He did not get the field he wanted and my pathan brother lost it completely. Looked as if he was fumimg inside. Than because of this he lost his line and length completely.

2. Another factor which shouldn't be ruled out is his fitness. I don't think he is fully fit. As someone who has played decent amount of cricket " Yasir ki kamar nahi lag rahi ball per " it is evident. Even by his standards noy turning the ball and not having the control.


I hope he can bounce back but I maintain early stance than Ashwin is better by a fair margin.

 

[Statsman]

Yasir has a problem of not being able to turn the ball. Needs to sort it out but I saw two three issues :

1. He did not get the field he wanted and my pathan brother lost it completely. Looked as if he was fumimg inside. Than because of this he lost his line and length completely.

2. Another factor which shouldn't be ruled out is his fitness. I don't think he is fully fit. As someone who has played decent amount of cricket " Yasir ki kamar nahi lag rahi ball per " it is evident. Even by his standards noy turning the ball and not having the control.


I hope he can bounce back but I maintain early stance than Ashwin is better by a fair margin.

3) Shouldn't lose his cool as a leg spin bowler. That usually leads to rank hops and full tosses. Calmness and control are 2 very key aspects of a leggie.

4) Should grow a spine and demand a field setting of his choice or if he cannot decide it for himself develop that aspect as well.

Let's see how he goes from here. If he plays ODIs Warne et al can damage his confidence very very seriously.

 

[hitthestump]

Yasir has either been found out or is just average outside of Asia. Either way his reputation is slipping away.

 

[jusarrived]

I have always believed that any player whos poor in one format of the game eventually gets found out in the other . I am not saying Yasir is found out here or hes a bad bowler , but in a long run if he continues to be crap in the shorter format he will not survive test cricket too .Quality players find a way to do well irrespective of what format.

 

[troodon]

Too early to say.

So far he has been poor in Aus (so far) and NZ.

Yasir still has more than 1 and half Tests to redeem himself. If Yasir gets 1 or 2 5'fers from here in Aus, he should be considered the best spinner in the world.

 

[AlphaFighter]

I have always believed that any player whos poor in one format of the game eventually gets found out in the other . I am not saying Yasir is found out here or hes a bad bowler , but in a long run if he continues to be crap in the shorter format he will not survive test cricket too .Quality players find a way to do well irrespective of what format.

Well if he is poor in ODI's, it proves that he reacts poorly to pressure and when he is attacked by the opposition. And even in a few test matches, whenever Yasir has been attacked, he has lost it and ofcourse the captain doesn't know what fields to set or plan to advise.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Yasir has a problem of not being able to turn the ball. Needs to sort it out but I saw two three issues :

1. He did not get the field he wanted and my pathan brother lost it completely. Looked as if he was fumimg inside. Than because of this he lost his line and length completely.

2. Another factor which shouldn't be ruled out is his fitness. I don't think he is fully fit. As someone who has played decent amount of cricket " Yasir ki kamar nahi lag rahi ball per " it is evident. Even by his standards noy turning the ball and not having the control.


I hope he can bounce back but I maintain early stance than Ashwin is better by a fair margin.

The ridiculous amount of overs he has had to bowl this year is catching up. Since the England series, Yasir has been bowling on average 40 plus overs every innings and he has no choice but to do this because Misbah continues to persist with a 4 bowler strategy with Sohail Khan included, we need a proper 5th bowling all rounder to relieve the bowlers.

 

[Chrish]

Yasir will have last chance in 3rd test which is said to be the most turning track in Australia

 

[Bilal7]

He's comfortably outbowled Lyon in this series thus far, which Ashwin was unable to do. Shah bowled quite well in the first test match, without getting rewarded. Not sure how he bowled at the MCG but his stats at least are far better than Lyon's.

Yasir >> Ashwin outside Asia and Yasir > Ashwin, overall.

 

[Sachin136]

He's comfortably outbowled Lyon in this series thus far, which Ashwin was unable to do. Shah bowled quite well in the first test match, without getting rewarded. Not sure how he bowled at the MCG but his stats at least are far better than Lyon's.

Yasir >> Ashwin outside Asia and Yasir > Ashwin, overall.

Ashwin outbowled Lyon in the matches they played together. Also, Lyon was bowling far better in that series. Ashwin missed out by not playing at Adelaide, where Lyon got 12 wickets.

 

[Sanzcool]

People are comfortably forgetting that when Ashwin toured Aus that he was still getting in the groove whereas Yasir is currently in his peak, Yasir should do much better bowling to a weak Oz batting line up but he is getting thrashed everywhere...

 

[Sadevdesai]

Considering that Ashwin is good Batsman too, ( 3 centuries I think), definitely Ashwin over Yasir !!!!

 

[Buffet]

Yasir has bowled garbage in this test so far. No control , just landing ball to hit on long hops or full tosses.

 

[Big Mac]

Yasir has bowled garbage in this test so far. No control , just landing ball to hit on long hops or full tosses.

He's bowled better to the right handers but he's been awful against the lefties.

 

[Square Drive]

Considering that Ashwin is good Batsman too, ( 3 centuries I think), definitely Ashwin over Yasir !!!!

Thread: Ravichandran Ashwin or Yasir Shah.... who's the better bowler?

 

[Buffet]

He's bowled better to the right handers but he's been awful against the lefties.

Yah, agree with that. He has given too many hit me balls to left handers.

 

[Bilal7]

Ashwin outbowled Lyon in the matches they played together. Also, Lyon was bowling far better in that series. Ashwin missed out by not playing at Adelaide, where Lyon got 12 wickets.

Ashwin shouldn't have been so rubbish overseas that he was dropped from the side. If Shah is dropped after this match, the blame will solely be on him and you won't see me making excuses for him. Besides, these things balance out. Bottom line is that Ashwin was outbowled by Lyon in Australia, Moeen Ali in England and I can see him getting outbowled by Maharaj in South Africa too.

People are comfortably forgetting that when Ashwin toured Aus that he was still getting in the groove whereas Yasir is currently in his peak, Yasir should do much better bowling to a weak Oz batting line up but he is getting thrashed everywhere...

How do you know this is Yasir's peak? I can see plenty of room for improvement.

Considering that Ashwin is good Batsman too, ( 3 centuries I think), definitely Ashwin over Yasir !!!!

That is true, just like Imran will always be the superior player to Sachin or any other Indian. However, this thread solely about who the better bowler is, and that is Yasir Shah.

 

[Varad]

yasir shah is being butchered here.. this is too painful to watch

 

[geraltofrivia]

Yasir Shah has a worse average than Ashwin in ALL common countries that they have played. Jadeja > Yasir.

 

[FlickedOffHips]

stats are for numpties. yasir clearly the best bowler of all time.

 

[javiersuka]

I would rather opt for Jaddu over Yasir, forget Ashwin whose a label above.

 

[Sin Nombre]

Yasir the double double centurion, excellent.

 

[Sin Nombre]

I would rather opt for Jaddu over Yasir, forget Ashwin whose a label above.

I would opt for Jadeja over both on flat pitches in Aus/Eng/NZ/SA.


Overall, as test players, Ashwin > Jadeja > Yasir

 

[geraltofrivia]

yasir shah - the next kaneria not the next warne

 

[GrandMaster]

yasir shah - the next kaneria not the next warne

Kaneria was definitely better than Yasir

 

[cr7great]

yasir shah

uae bully

 

[Zak_Fan]

For all of Ashwin's flaws, he has never been this rubbish anywhere. I know Yasir's numbers "away" look horrendous already, but imagine how much worse things could have been if it wasn't for two friendly tracks in England.

 

[Buffet]

For all of Ashwin's flaws, he has never been this rubbish anywhere. I know Yasir's numbers "away" look horrendous already, but imagine how much worse things could have been if it wasn't for two friendly tracks in England.

Ashwin has a lot more variety to not go for too many runs even when pitch is not helping him. Yasir doesn't have any variety and just relies on his control. Yasir bowled poorly in this test, but extrapolating away averages for Yasir and Ashwin, both is useless with so low sample size. Let both play 25-30 away tests before reading too much into their away stats.

 

[Romali_rotti]

But but Yasir Shah is the greatest spinner

 

[Romali_rotti]

Ashwin I dont think will ever turn into a quality spinner in AUS or SA.... He may have moments of brilliance but will always be avg to below avg away...

 

[Mamoon]

Some people still have the nerve to propagate the myth that Yasir is superior to Ashwin.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Ashwin I dont think will ever turn into a quality spinner in AUS or SA.... He may have moments of brilliance but will always be avg to below avg away...

Finger spinners rarely succeed without assistance of pitch abroad. Even those who does can't do consistently.No team will provide a pitch that is remotely helpful to Ashwin. There might be odd occasion where some spinners do well. Reason doesn't necessarily mean they are better bowlers. For instance Pakistan under intense pressure gifted wickets to Lyon today.

 

[Thivagar]

Both are a bit over rated. Yasir is more talented and Ashwin is more smarter.

 

[Statsman]

Both are a bit over rated. Yasir is more talented and Ashwin is more smarter.

How is Yasir more talented?

 

[Zak_Fan]

Ashwin has a lot more variety to not go for too many runs even when pitch is not helping him. Yasir doesn't have any variety and just relies on his control. Yasir bowled poorly in this test, but extrapolating away averages for Yasir and Ashwin, both is useless with so low sample size. Let both play 25-30 away tests before reading too much into their away stats.

Ideally, it should have been like that. But unfortunately, some of our brothers who have a habit of making hay while the sun shines couldn't wait. Now they will.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Both are a bit over rated. Yasir is more talented and Ashwin is more smarter.

Ashwin is more talented as well. He has about 5 different variations.

 

[Sin Nombre]

How is Yasir more talented?

For some, wrist spinners >> finger spinners.

 

[Smbhayi]

congrats Yasir Shah for his 2nd double hundred

 

[geraltofrivia]

congrats Yasir Shah for his 2nd double hundred

3rd - 2 in England

 

[joly]

Yasir's task is harder,India and Ashwin has Shami and Umesh who are light years ahead of any current Pak pacer,on the other hand Yasir is the only real bowler in Pak team,he bowls alone without any support at all on the other sides,the poor guy atleast is taking some wickets.Unfair comparison

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

Another thing I don't know why but yasir always end up bowling lot more overs, hell he bowled 31 overs on first day of Brisbane. This amount of workload takes lot of toll on body.

 

[shah_1]

It's fair to say that Ashwin is ahead

 

[in_cutter]

Yasir is overrated. Ashwin is ahead.

 

[JaDed]

Fickle Pakistani fans at it again.

 

[joly]

Yasir would take 6 fers/7 fers every game everywhere if he had Umesh Shami Jadeja to support him.Pak fans are too harsh on him. He was the only bowler worth looking at this test

 

[Sidilicious]

He's comfortably outbowled Lyon in this series thus far, which Ashwin was unable to do. Shah bowled quite well in the first test match, without getting rewarded. Not sure how he bowled at the MCG but his stats at least are far better than Lyon's.

Yasir >> Ashwin outside Asia and Yasir > Ashwin, overall.

In what world has Yasir out bowled Lyon?

Was it Yasir who took 3 crucial wickets when the game was looking dead draw and turn the match around?

Yasir has been easily outbolwed by Lyon in both tests!

 

[shah_1]

Fickle Pakistani fans at it again.

Nahh!!!

If Yasir is not taking tickets, at least keep it tight but he didn't do that either.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Yasir would take 6 fers/7 fers every game everywhere if he had Umesh Shami Jadeja to support him.Pak fans are too harsh on him. He was the only bowler worth looking at this test

What the what?

 

[Buffet]

If Yasir is not taking tickets, at least keep it tight but he didn't do that either.

That's crucial for avoiding defeat when there is not enough assistance from pitch for spinners. Going 200+ at fast rate is simply allowing other team to win matches.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Same poster who claims that Yasir has outbowled Lyon doesn't even rate Gazza lol.

 

[Bilal7]

In what world has Yasir out bowled Lyon?

Was it Yasir who took 3 crucial wickets when the game was looking dead draw and turn the match around?

Yasir has been easily outbolwed by Lyon in both tests!

Yasir Shah was clearly ahead at the Gabba. Lyon may have won this test, after getting those crucial wickets in the third innings. The SCG will be the tie-breaker.

 

[Titan of Technique]

^^^ moral victory for Yasir at SCG then

 

[Tusker]

Ashwins batting would have certainly saved this match if not his bowling.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Ashwin quite ahead as a bowler alone. Add his batting, and it is like comparing an Earthling to a Krytponian.

 

[jusarrived]

Yasir Shah was clearly ahead at the Gabba. Lyon may have won this test, after getting those crucial wickets in the third innings. The SCG will be the tie-breaker.

You come up with the funniest arguments .
Even if we assume Yasir was way ahead in Gabba , you cornveniently forget that Yasir bowls to one of the worst players of spin while Lyon is bowling to the best players of spin ( your own claim ) .

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

Ashwins batting would have certainly saved this match if not his bowling.

He did saved the third match and fourth match with the bat.

 

[Bilal7]

You come up with the funniest arguments .
Even if we assume Yasir was way ahead in Gabba , you cornveniently forget that Yasir bowls to one of the worst players of spin while Lyon is bowling to the best players of spin ( your own claim ) .

Good to see that you're amused. Yasir is bowling in Australia, which is Lyon's home country. The Gabba was also the venue where Lyon has roared more often than not. For Shah to be outbowling him here is a good achievement for an overseas spinner. Ashwin certainly wasn't able to end his tour as the better spinner, let's see if Shah can.

 

[sarthak]

Honestly, when the series started, I thought Yasir had a slight edge over Ashwin (as a pure bowler).

But I think this test has shown otherwise. Yasir can easily be put under pressure and starts bowling a lot of pies for the batsmen to feast on - also sort of explains why he doesn't make a good LOI bowler. He was comfortably outbowled by Lyon here and even Azhar Ali looked more threatening. Don't think Ashwin would have necessarily taken more wickets here but would definitely have been a better support bowler and not been thrashed around by Starc and co. the way Yasir was.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Honestly, when the series started, I thought Yasir had a slight edge over Ashwin (as a pure bowler).

But I think this test has shown otherwise. Yasir can easily be put under pressure and starts bowling a lot of pies for the batsmen to feast on - also sort of explains why he doesn't make a good LOI bowler. He was comfortably outbowled by Lyon here and even Azhar Ali looked more threatening. Don't think Ashwin would have necessarily taken more wickets here but would definitely have been a better support bowler and not been thrashed around by Starc and co. the way Yasir was.

This. Starc smacked him around like a nobody. Yasir needs a helpful pitch to take wickets but simply can't keep it tight when there's no help. Ashwin does not singlehandedly lose matches like Yasir does.

 

[Indiafan]

Yasir would take 6 fers/7 fers every game everywhere if he had Umesh Shami Jadeja to support him.Pak fans are too harsh on him. He was the only bowler worth looking at this test

Wait, wouldnt Umesh, Shami, Jadeja taking wickets REDUCE his total wickets?

 

[AlizeeFan]

Good to see that you're amused. Yasir is bowling in Australia, which is Lyon's home country. The Gabba was also the venue where Lyon has roared more often than not. For Shah to be outbowling him here is a good achievement for an overseas spinner. Ashwin certainly wasn't able to end his tour as the better spinner, let's see if Shah can.

Both played 3 matches in last series against each other.

Lyon picked up 11 wickets at avg of 47.

Ashwin picked up 12 wickets at avg of 48.

If Ashwin wasn't better spinner, then he wasn't outbowled by Lyon either.

In this series Lyon has picked up 6 wickets at avg of 48 and Yasir Shah has picked up 6 wickets at 63.

Lyon has similar records, let's see if Yasir can bring down his average and can match Lyon in this series like Ashwin.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Both played 3 matches in last series against each other.

Lyon picked up 11 wickets at avg of 47.

Ashwin picked up 12 wickets at avg of 48.

If Ashwin wasn't better spinner, then he wasn't outbowled by Lyon either.

In this series Lyon has picked up 6 wickets at avg of 48 and Yasir Shah has picked up 6 wickets at 63.

Lyon has similar records, let's see if Yasir can bring down his average and can match Lyon in this series like Ashwin.

Yasir has been the worst spinner in Australia after Tahir. Ashwin was way better to be honest.

 

[Buffet]

This. Starc smacked him around like a nobody. Yasir needs a helpful pitch to take wickets but simply can't keep it tight when there's no help. Ashwin does not singlehandedly lose matches like Yasir does.

Single-handedly losing matches don't get highlighted, but bowlers can lose you matches single-handedly as well.

 

[joly]

Wait, wouldnt Umesh, Shami, Jadeja taking wickets REDUCE his total wickets?

the post says "Support" not take major bulk of wickets, India has a far superior attack and support bowlers

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Australia is a tough place to tour for spinners just like it's tough for fast bowlers to take wickets in UAE.

 

[umerz]

YAsir is averaging more than 40 this year. I dont think Ashwin will do worse than Yasir overseas

 

[Statsman]

Good to see that you're amused. Yasir is bowling in Australia, which is Lyon's home country. The Gabba was also the venue where Lyon has roared more often than not. For Shah to be outbowling him here is a good achievement for an overseas spinner. Ashwin certainly wasn't able to end his tour as the better spinner, let's see if Shah can.

Same logic fails to be brought up when talking about Kohli's innings in Adelaide.

 

[Statsman]

Both played 3 matches in last series against each other.

Lyon picked up 11 wickets at avg of 47.

Ashwin picked up 12 wickets at avg of 48.

If Ashwin wasn't better spinner, then he wasn't outbowled by Lyon either.

In this series Lyon has picked up 6 wickets at avg of 48 and Yasir Shah has picked up 6 wickets at 63.

Lyon has similar records, let's see if Yasir can bring down his average and can match Lyon in this series like Ashwin.

Check the record for games where both Ashwin and Lyon played.

Edit. My bad. That's what you have done.

 

[Thivagar]

How is Yasir more talented?

Ashwin is more talented as well. He has about 5 different variations.

Yasir has higher potential, he can turn more if he slows it down. He doesn't capitalize on his potential very well. It takes an effort to bowl wrist spin and you do that with unnatural action. Ashwin bowls off break, it is easy to bowl Off Break, but Ashwin is smart, he uses his abilities very well. Having many variation is not a talent, its a skill that you have to master.

 

[Haz95]

Yasir is going through some outrageously bad form....However I don't think Yasir has been 'exposed' overseas; he will probably fail even in the UAE too because it's evident he's been pretty rusty since the Windies series and it's getting worse for him. However he's pure class and bound to bounce back...I'm sure this thread will be getting bumped once again when Yasir is back to his best.

 

[Ab Fan]

Both of them need helpful pitches for taking wickets.

Ashwin is a decent batsmen too although might struggle vs quality pace bowlers.

Its to be seen what the current Ashwin can do overseas.

As of now, Ashwin is ahead thanks to the home pitches where he has dominated the non Asian sides completely apart from doing well in WI and SL too.

Yasir has won two tests in England but ends up leaking too many runs on non-conducive pitches.

Doing well in Sri Lanka isn't all sort of achievemens for both the spinners.

 

[Midwinter13992]

Due to his batting and effective use of conditions I'll definately pick Ashwin in SC but i will still pick Yasir Shah on those unfriendly pitches in Foreign conditions..

 

[Sachin136]

Both of them need helpful pitches for taking wickets.

Ashwin is a decent batsmen too although might struggle vs quality pace bowlers.

Its to be seen what the current Ashwin can do overseas.

As of now, Ashwin is ahead thanks to the home pitches where he has dominated the non Asian sides completely apart from doing well in WI and SL too.

Yasir has won two tests in England but ends up leaking too many runs on non-conducive pitches.

Doing well in Sri Lanka isn't all sort of achievemens for both the spinners.

Both Ashwin and Yasir have already performed on pitches that weren't helpful for spinners.

 

[Bilal7]

Same logic fails to be brought up when talking about Kohli's innings in Adelaide.

Totally different.

Both played 3 matches in last series against each other.

Lyon picked up 11 wickets at avg of 47.

Ashwin picked up 12 wickets at avg of 48.

If Ashwin wasn't better spinner, then he wasn't outbowled by Lyon either.

In this series Lyon has picked up 6 wickets at avg of 48 and Yasir Shah has picked up 6 wickets at 63.

Lyon has similar records, let's see if Yasir can bring down his average and can match Lyon in this series like Ashwin.

Why have you not added Lyon's stats from the Adelaide match? Ashwin was deemed to not be good enough to even play in that match. That is worse than if he had played and still averaged 50.

Regardless of what happens in Sydney, Shah still has two match-winning performances in England. Come back when Ashwin wins India a single session outside his comfort-zone.

 

[cric_fanatic]

How times change. Just before the tour, a lot of friends here disapproved and challenged that Ashwin was better. Cant hear much of that now, rightly. Fair to say, you just DONT jump the gun.

 

[street cricketer]

I do not know much of Yasir's weaknesses because I haven't watched him bowl as much as I have watched Ashwin bowl.

Ashwin's advantages are I think his flight and accuracy. He turns the ball a lot as well. In comparison, Yasir is a skiddy type of bowler who bowls with subtle variations and isn't as big a turner of the ball as you generally expect with leggies. He generally is always at the stumps, so his skiddy pace sort of hurries on to the batsman even on flat tracks which is why I think he may do better on flat tracks than Ashwin.

Ashwin is a very intelligent bowler, he said in the presentation ceremony after his MoS award that he knew Boult was coming for the tour and that could make use of his footmarks. He is an astute student of the game who watches almost every cricket match that goes on around the world. He is a bowler who can take advantage of the slightest slowness in the track or rough patches around the crease. But I don't think he has that skiddy pace of Yasir, I'm not even sure whether finger spinners can have that quality. Yasir to me is more of a natural bowler who has been effective even with very little variations. Ashwin is like a student who keeps developing and acquiring different abilities and variations with experience.

As for their disadvantages, like I said above, Ashwin may struggle on unconducive tracks - he did take a 5fer on a batting track in the first innings at Indore, but I would want to see him do that against England which has a much more potent batting line up. Yasir atm doesn't have too many problems as he is picking truckloads of wickets even with minimal variations. If I'm being picky, I would say that he needs to work on his googly and also on his leg spinner more in terms of different line and lengths because he may struggle a bit if the batsmen decide to play him as an inswing bowler. Think he also needs to adopt a different line outside off and bring caught behind into play if plan A isn't working. He probably will find a way to deceive the batsmen even then using his guile.

Posted this about 2 months ago and my fears on Yasir has become true somewhat now.

Firstly Australia is a very tough place to bowl for any spinner, so it was expected he'll struggle there. I never bought the leggies do well in Australia theory, it has been created on Warne's magic and MacGill's exploits with Australia. But most visiting spinners struggle in Australia regardless of whether they are finger spinners or wrist spinners and stats show that. That argument was somewhat true in the past, but over the past decade the Australian tracks have lost their "Australian nature" and have all uniformly transformed into flat roads. Problem with such tracks is that the wickets are very compact and hard so that they hardly break down with wear and tear. The top soil doesn't come off as easily like it does in the subcontinent. Even the footmarks are created behind the popping crease as the natural instinct of any batsman in Australia is to go on the backfoot. That is why you always see dark patches exposing the black soil underneath created behind the crease and hardly any in front like you generally see in the subcontinent. So a spinner can hardly make use of those footmarks as they will be converted into full tosses which will be belted over his head.

Anyway Yasir has always been a bowler who attacks the stumps and gets wickets lbw when batsmen play across the line too much. He gets wickets in front of the wicket more. That is fine on the slow low pitches of the subcontinent and the UAE. But I think he should bring the fielders behind the wicket (slips, gully, etc.) more by changing his line slightly. Also needs to work on his sidespin more. Because one of the biggest surprise weapons of a leggie is the wrong un. It is very hard to survive as a leggie if he doesn't turn the ball much without a good googly (Kumble did because he had a pretty good googly). On the hard wickets of Australia, true bounce will mean that you'll get less lbws and batsmen will trust the bounce more and consequently is easier for them to play their shots. If a bowler doesn't have the wrong un on such wickets, then the batsmen will start playing him as a seam bowler and attack him on pitches where the ball doesn't grip and turn. Also I think he needs to work on the defensive aspect of his bowling more. Sometimes when it's hard to pick wickets, you should atleast put a lid on run scoring by being accurate and act as a containing bowler.

Most spinners experience failures outside asia. Yasir's short career has been full of successes and hardly any failures till recently before and this is the first time he's experiencing a big failure. How he picks himself up and develops as a bowler will be key to his career progression as a spinner. The tour of the west indies will be crucial for him as he will be expected to deliver against a weak team. He's a good bowler and he has a few issues to work on, but think the failures will generally do good things for his career as a spin bowler.

 

[Buffet]

Most spinners experience failures outside asia. Yasir's short career has been full of successes and hardly any failures till recently before and this is the first time he's experiencing a big failure. How he picks himself up and develops as a bowler will be key to his career progression as a spinner. The tour of the west indies will be crucial for him as he will be expected to deliver against a weak team. He's a good bowler and he has a few issues to work on, but think the failures will generally do good things for his career as a spin bowler.

Some pitches with uneven bounce should help his style in WI. Not taking wickets is fine, but getting thrashed by everyone simply leads to losing tests. I don't think he will get thrashed in WI.

 

[street cricketer]

Some pitches with uneven bounce should help his style in WI. Not taking wickets is fine, but getting thrashed by everyone simply leads to losing tests. I don't think he will get thrashed in WI.

But the thing is him not taking wickets without getting thrashed is not fine. Like Ashwin, he is the strike bowler of the Pakistani team, not Amir or Wahab or anybody else.

He has been immense to the success of Pak team over the few years. Their success in the UAE has been entirely built by Yasir and even the two matches that were won in England had Yasir making a great impact in them. He failed in NZ and Australia and hence Pakistan are struggling. I don't think Pakistan would've struggled as much if Yasir had a good tour. So if Yasir doesn't pick up wickets in the west indies, then it will definitely affect Pakistan's chances of winning the series there.

 

[JaDed]

Posters take ex Aussie players recommendation way too seriously in this forum.

 

[Slog]

Posters take ex Aussie players recommendation way too seriously in this forum.

He's still a world class spinner

And won two test matches in England

Most other spinners including Ashwin haven't gotten close to that