Reports of Attacks on Women in Germany Heighten Tension Over Migrants

[King Cobra]

At a rally in Cologne on Tuesday protesting violence against women, some held signs critical of Chancellor Angela Merkel. Credit Wolfgang Rattay/Reuters

BERLIN — The tensions simmering beneath Germany’s willingness to take in one million migrants blew into the open on Tuesday after reports that scores of young women in Cologne had been groped and robbed on New Year’s Eve by gangs of men described by the authorities as having “a North African or Arabic” appearance.

Taking advantage of the New Year’s Eve street party, hundreds of young men broke into groups and formed rings around young women, refusing to let them escape, the authorities said. Some groped victims while others stole wallets or cellphones.

Witnesses described the atmosphere around the city’s central train station as aggressive and threatening, with firecrackers being thrown into the crowd. The women who were attacked screamed and tried to fight their way free, a man who had struggled to protect his girlfriend told German public television.

The Cologne police added that they had received 90 complaints from victims, including one who said she had been raped. No arrests have been made.

In Hamburg, the police said 10 women had reported that they were sexually assaulted and robbed in a similar fashion on the same night.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/w...gne-were-unprecedented-germany-says.html?_r=0

All thanks to Mama Merkel for welcoming thousands of migrants with open arms.

 

[King Cobra]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35239503

 

[javiersuka]

It was expected to happen sooner than later . Refugees coming from a different culture will create more problems in Liberal Germany.

 

[dandapinda]

More phobia..but i dobut it will be difficult to stop now.

 

[Dios]

As harsh as it may sound you can't just let anyone and everyone in. All these countries letting refugees in to their borders should have done a better job of screening who comes in like Canada is doing for example. Europe will regret it in the future.

 

[Dman]

I had predicted this way back during the refugee crisis. Now debates are being held on how to deport these refugees.

 

[santos11]

The scale of the attacks on women at the city's central railway station has shocked Germany. About 1,000 drunk and aggressive young men were involved.

This will not go down well with the Germans. Did they welcome the refugees to go through all this ?

 

[Lurker_Ind]

These are groping incidents by immigrants. Not related to Islamic violence.

Merkel should provide counselling to all culprits.

 

[Zaz]

Where were the authorities whilst all this was going on?

We're not talking about a handful of people Apparently there were thousands of em and hundreds of incidents of sexual assaults

Surely this shouldve been nipped in the bud early?

 

[90MPH]

There is no evidence whatsoever it was refugees.

The German police said a lot of them were drunk so it's nothing to with any religious context but no suprise to see some never miss a. Opportunity to bring that angle.

 

[King Cobra]

Where were the authorities whilst all this was going on?

We're not talking about a handful of people Apparently there were thousands of em and hundreds of incidents of sexual assaults

Surely this shouldve been nipped in the bud early?

Maybe the Police wasnt expecting assaults on such a large scale and in huge numbers.

The officers on the ground couldn’t gain control of all of the events, attacks and crimes – there were simply too many at the same time for that to be possible,” a high-ranking officer wrote, describing the scene to which police arrived. “On the square outside were several thousand mostly male people of a migrant background who were firing all kinds of fireworks and throwing bottles into the crowd at random.

“Even the appearance of police officers on the scene … didn’t hold the masses back from their actions.” The report added that police who tried to clear the square faced a barrage of fireworks and bottles.

 

[Dman]

There is no evidence whatsoever it was refugees.

The German police said a lot of them were drunk so it's nothing to with any religious context but no suprise to see some never miss a. Opportunity to bring that angle.

Guess you know more than the women that were assaulted who have clearly mentioned that the culprits were of Arabic appearance.

 

[90MPH]

Guess you know more than the women that were assaulted who have clearly mentioned that the culprits were of Arabic appearance.

Yes did I deny they were Not Arabic appearance ?? They could have been born there, right ?? There's also a big Turkish/Kurdish population.

I probably know more about Germany than you.

It's just people like you never miss an opportunity to blame it on "refugees" when there is no evidence it was.

 

[eradicator]

These offenses were not made public for a few days to avoid a possible backlash against the refugees. Such sad state of affairs when such events have to be covered up.

 

[Saeed]

Modern Humanity=People being happy over a crime committed by their "favorite" group.

 

[Bewal Express]

All these internet hard men.

 

[czar]

This is the legacy of that old hag Merkel. She would now blame the aliens for these assaults to save her face.

 

[#GreenRoars]

Stick to the topic guys.

 

[street cricketer]

I heard about this a week before from my friend studying in Germany. Told that the Germans were getting fed up of Merkel's policies and the media were not at all covering it. Apparently, the women were asked to dress modestly which had irked the Germans even more.

Some rough waters for Germany to negotiate in the future.

 

[JaDed]

Its hard for the Germans to adjust and irrespective of the religion this issue would had come,illegal latin immigrants or the East Europeans would had or have caused similar issues.

Also people speaking against Europeans need to realize a lot of them blame Afghan refugees for the drug related and smuggling problems in Pakistan as well.

 

[Adil_94]

The open door policy has really created a division in German society. It was an uncharacteristic impulsive policy enacted by Merkel. Who normally is quite level headed and calm. And is called Germanys Iron Lady. Attacks like these will just serve to embolden far rights groups. The Left needs to reclaim the narrative by criticising these groups and making clear those migrants who don't subscribe to accepted values of tolerance respect for women aren't welcome. There is no point being tolerant to those who are intolerant and spread hatred and violence . If any of the perpetrators are migrants they should be deported.

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[enkidu_]

If you study Germans' anthropological structure you'll see that it's impossible for them to accept outsiders (even Europeans), there's a reason why the notion of "race" (as biological realism) was born there. It's also why they never felt expanding outside for colonial adventures, thus they don't deserve (mass) immigration and its corollary ills.

Merkel thought that she'd have cheap labour thanks to the refugee crisis, which would eventually fuel the economy for an ageing Germany, but of course she (or her family) probably isn't the one to interact on a daily basis with these immigrants.

 

[Anfield]

But those refugees are living in a confined space and are not inducted in the society as yet?

 

[AFG_Brit]

These were North African decent who are not the refugees ( recent ones) but are those criminals who already are either french, German or Belgium nationals. Just because they look brown so the blame goes to all the refugees whom I doubt would even dare to do such a thing. It has been reported that their motives were to rob their victims so all the gropping etc was just to distract their attention and steal their mobile phones and valuables. These are tactics of organised criminals and not random people or opportunists.


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[Rafa]

More fodder for the right wing groups in their agenda against the refugees.

 

[keyser]

Very disappointing. Germans take these people in and this is how they behave to the people that gave them so much.

Hopefully they are all charged serve time and are deported.

Germany should really look at limiting immigration from problem countries.

 

[hafeezrocks]

If you study Germans' anthropological structure you'll see that it's impossible for them to accept outsiders (even Europeans), there's a reason why the notion of "race" (as biological realism) was born there. It's also why they never felt expanding outside for colonial adventures, thus they don't deserve (mass) immigration and its corollary ills.

Merkel thought that she'd have cheap labour thanks to the refugee crisis, which would eventually fuel the economy for an ageing Germany, but of course she (or her family) probably isn't the one to interact on a daily basis with these immigrants.

But aren't modern day German people very accommodating of non-Germans? I think it would be the least Racist Nation in Europe.

 

[enkidu_]

But aren't modern day German people very accommodating of non-Germans? I think it would be the least Racist Nation in Europe.

No it's impossible for them. It's about family structure (mainly competition between siblings, hierarchization within the familial cell, acceptance of foreigners into the said familial cell, etc), and a bit too complex to develop it here, but there's a reason that France is "assimilationist" (you can be black, brown, ... but if you act "more French than French" you'll be more-than-accepted ; from there stems the ideas of universal human rights, "revolution", ...) while the Anglo-Saxons are into "integration" (seeing it purely economically : as long as he gives money, your economic partner can be a Saudi Islamist ; thus "liberalism" as an economic theory could only have been born in England). The Germans, like the Jews, have a particular family structure which makes impossible for them to "integrate", let alone "assimilate", foreigners. They're the most "racists" Europeans, and by "racists" I don't use it as a derogatory term, but in terms of "race-conciousness" (but again the good side for the ROW is that they'll never be interested in colonialism, as they don't want to "export" a "model").

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Seems a bit ridiculous to blame this on recent migrants. Over 20% of Germany's population are not German nationals or are descendents of immigrants so whilst these attacks may well have been carried out by those from the aforementioned group this probably has nothing at all to do with the recent flow of migrants into Germany.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Actually it now appears that many of the accused were indeed refugees who had only recently come to the country.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ex-attacks-claimed-to-be-Syrian-refugees.html

 

[90MPH]

Actually it now appears that many of the accused were indeed refugees who had only recently come to the country.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ex-attacks-claimed-to-be-Syrian-refugees.html

There is nothing concrete there at all, as the suspects were all released.

Remember telegraph Is a right wing paper very much against any immigration or asylum so we have to be sceptical what they say in any case.

Until the German police charge those involved then no one should be pointing at anyone specifically. I do hope they catch these sick vermin, if any were found to be involved they should be sent back.

 

[AFG_Brit]

If a thief or thug says I am son of bill gates and you have to treat me with respect. Then tries to rob people, do we believe it's him? Or just random person trying to give bad name to Bill gates? ( this is just an example, I hope you guys understand my point).

Until no one has been charged, we shouldn't blame it on refugees.


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[chacha kashmiri]

If a thief or thug says I am son of bill gates and you have to treat me with respect. Then tries to rob people, do we believe it's him? Or just random person trying to give bad name to Bill gates? ( this is just an example, I hope you guys understand my point).

Until no one has been charged, we shouldn't blame it on refugees.


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Not sure we can defend the indefensible

Most people were out to have a good time and ended up being groped

 

[Thivagar]

It was expected to happen sooner than later . Refugees coming from a different culture will create more problems in Liberal Germany.

I don' think it has to do with culture, more to do with religion. More of Islamaphobia than Xenophobia.

 

[Adil_94]

I don' think it has to do with culture, more to do with religion. More of Islamaphobia than Xenophobia.

It's a mixture most people see muslims as Arab or middle eastern looking. A brown guy with beard. So it's Islamophobia as well as increases anti Arab sentiment as for most people Arab = Muslim.

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[keyser]

Merkel has sent an awful message letting in so many refugees despite public pressure.

Now some of the attackers are quoted as saying "we've been invited here by Ms Merkel and are guests".

They need to be made a stern example of.

 

[Adijazz1706]

There is nothing concrete there at all, as the suspects were all released.

Remember telegraph Is a right wing paper very much against any immigration or asylum so we have to be sceptical what they say in any case.

Until the German police charge those involved then no one should be pointing at anyone specifically. I do hope they catch these sick vermin, if any were found to be involved they should be sent back.

At least it is the Telegraph and not the Daily Heil (Mail).

 

[Bewal Express]

These assaults are nothing Islamic but do play to the narrative of the Muslims being uncivilised barbarians. Sadly too many Muslims are desperate to show that this narrative has some wheels.

 

[AFG_Brit]

Not sure we can defend the indefensible

Most people were out to have a good time and ended up being groped

I am not defending people who have committed those crimes. Anyone who has done such things should be prosecuted as per German laws and should be even deported if they are foreigners.


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[Duncan_Ferguson]

over 1 million refugee-immigrants entered Germany in 2015.. this was never going to end well. Its a massive cultural jolt for the German population, too much too soon..

 

[Robert]

All thanks to Mama Merkel for welcoming thousands of migrants with open arms.

Good for Merkel. She did the right thing. Of course there will be problems, but Germany will manage them in time.

 

[CricketCartoons]

The reason crimes by immigrants raises more eyebrows than those committed by natives, is that one expects immigrants to be extra cautious in building a reputation, tread safely in a new country, work extra hard in building relations. With news such as these, it is normal for others to fear that these set of immigrants are not up for the usual induction.

 

[Markhor]

Yes because in "white culture" we never see any instances of paedophilia or child abuse. That bloody Arab Jimmy Savile, should never have let him into the country.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Yes because in "white culture" we never see any instances of paedophilia or child abuse. That bloody Arab Jimmy Savile, should never have let him into the country.

When a person joins a new organization, he is extra polite with those who were already there. Or when a bride enters a household, she is extra nice if she wants to make relationships with family members. If immigrants dont care about such old fashioned etiquette it only sends wrong signals to the natives. When Germany has welcomed immigrants with open arms, one would expect a bit more courtesy from the immigrants. Clearly some of them don't care about it and think they are entitled to do what they please.

 

[czar]

Merkel facing a huge backlash from people in Germany.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Tbh you shouldn't let just anyone in.

Deport those who did this.

 

[Thivagar]

It's a mixture most people see muslims as Arab or middle eastern looking. A brown guy with beard. So it's Islamophobia as well as increases anti Arab sentiment as for most people Arab = Muslim.

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Lot of people think Pakistan is a 4th world country like Afghanistan.

 

[Adil_94]

Lot of people think Pakistan is a 4th world country like Afghanistan.

Yeah I know because anytime you see Pakistan on the news it's terrorism related. Suicide bombings taliban leaders getting killed. In reality the country is more complex than that.

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[chacha kashmiri]

I am not defending people who have committed those crimes. Anyone who has done such things should be prosecuted as per German laws and should be even deported if they are foreigners.


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Having been to a German market, there were lots of beer stalls
So Germans obviously love beer, doesn't mean they should be groped and have things nicked from them though

I agree with deportation of criminals from Germany , I am definitely in the same camp as you with that one

 

[Thivagar]

Yeah I know because anytime you see Pakistan on the news it's terrorism related. Suicide bombings taliban leaders getting killed. In reality the country is more complex than that.

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LMAOO i heard in a TV show they showed Afghansitan as "Islamabad" where every men was wearing a turban whilethe women wearing niqab lol

 

[Adil_94]

LMAOO i heard in a TV show they showed Afghansitan as "Islamabad" where every men was wearing a turban whilethe women wearing niqab lol

Having been to Islamabad. I've seen more women without
Hijabs and burqas than with. But I suppose it has Islam in its name so it must be bad.

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[dayvancowboy]

Having been to Islamabad. I've seen more women without
Hijabs and burqas than with. But I suppose it has Islam in its name so it must be bad.

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True, but when you go to areas or shops or restaurants in the West that are mostly Pakistani there's always more niqabis and bearded men in shalwar kameez all over the place.

 

[King Cobra]

German Officials Suspect 18 Asylum Seekers in New Year's Attacks

http://learningenglish.voanews.com/...kers-suspected-new-years-attacks/3137413.html

 

[King Cobra]

Anti-migrant protesters sprayed in Germany

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2016/01/10/00/07/germany-faces-protests-after-mass-assaults

Not surprising

 

[dayvancowboy]

http://learningenglish.voanews.com/...kers-suspected-new-years-attacks/3137413.html

Plate said two of the 31 suspects are German. Nine are Algerian, eight are from Morocco, five are Iranian, and four are Syrians. The remaining three are from Iraq, Serbia and the United States.

Iranian?

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Iranian?

They dont look north african to you?

 

[cricketpatzer]

Its hard for the Germans to adjust and irrespective of the religion this issue would had come,illegal latin immigrants or the East Europeans would had or have caused similar issues...

You are entitled to your opinions, but you are not entitled to your own facts.

 

[dildilpak]

When a person joins a new organization, he is extra polite with those who were already there. Or when a bride enters a household, she is extra nice if she wants to make relationships with family members. If immigrants dont care about such old fashioned etiquette it only sends wrong signals to the natives. When Germany has welcomed immigrants with open arms, one would expect a bit more courtesy from the immigrants. Clearly some of them don't care about it and think they are entitled to do what they please.

Kinda have to agree with this. If a country has given you asylum, the onus is on you to assimilate in the new culture - you don't try to impose your antiquated views on how a woman should behave by trying to molest women partying on New years eve. In any case, feel that asylum should be given only to families with young children and/or old people - not to single males who are least interested in fighting off the terrorists in their own country but would rather think they are entitled to the social benefits in a new country.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Kinda have to agree with this. If a country has given you asylum, the onus is on you to assimilate in the new culture - you don't try to impose your antiquated views on how a woman should behave by trying to molest women partying on New years eve. In any case, feel that asylum should be given only to families with young children and/or old people - not to single males who are least interested in fighting off the terrorists in their own country but would rather think they are entitled to the social benefits in a new country.

i remember a close family friend who when he was around the age of 19 would tell me how he and a group of friends would travel to trafalgar/leicester square on new years eve and pinch/ touch women's backsides who either couldnt say anything or wouldnt say anything
He told me this was just part of the culture at these squares and he seemed to really enjoy himself and the whole banter of the occasion

 

[Saeed]

^^^
So did he got deported back to Somalia?

 

[chacha kashmiri]

^^^
So did he got deported back to Somalia?

The funny thing is on the odd occasion i socialised with him, he would see a girl he liked, sniff around her for 5 minutes, approach her, talk to her and within a few minutes , he had lip synched with her and got a number to which he would never reply

 

[Saeed]

The funny thing is on the odd occasion i socialised with him, he would see a girl he liked, sniff around her for 5 minutes, approach her, talk to her and within a few minutes , he had lip synched with her and got a number to which he would never reply

Yeah some people are strange. you guys should get him married.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Yeah some people are strange. you guys should get him married.

he wants to get married back home
in sha Allah

 

[Saeed]

he wants to get married back home
in sha Allah

Back in Mirpur? It's always nice to have a good paying job and a big Kothi before getting married.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Back in Mirpur? It's always nice to have a good paying job and a big Kothi before getting married.

i dont think he plays to stay in ajk after marriage

 

[dayvancowboy]

King Cobra and anuk would need to read this: http://www.vice.com/read/rape-culture-germany-cologne-new-years-2016-876

Sexual assaults and even rape happen every year at big events like Oktoberfest. "The way to the toilet alone is like running the gauntlet: within 50 feet, you can be sure to tally three hugs from drunken strangers, two pats on the ***, someone looking up your dirndl, and some beer purposely splashed right down your cleavage," wrote Karoline Beisel and Beate Wild in 2011, in the Süddeutsche Zeitung. An average of ten reported rapes take place each year at Oktoberfest. The estimated number of unreported cases is 200.

A 2004 study on the living conditions, security, and health of women in Germany, showed that 13 percent of German women have experienced a form of criminal sexualized violence. The scandal is that only 8 percent of these women filed a complaint with the police. If you include multiple complaints, then the figure decreases to 5 percent. That means that an incredible 95 percent of women in Germany who experience sexual violence don't report it to the police.

 

[Itachi]

King Cobra and anuk would need to read this: http://www.vice.com/read/rape-culture-germany-cologne-new-years-2016-876

Isn't it good that this time those women actually put official complaints????

I don't understand what kind of argument is above.

 

[Sherazkhalid]

King Cobra and anuk would need to read this: http://www.vice.com/read/rape-culture-germany-cologne-new-years-2016-876
exual assaults and even rape happen every year at big events like Oktoberfest. "The way to the toilet alone is like running the gauntlet: within 50 feet, you can be sure to tally three hugs from drunken strangers, two pats on the ***, someone looking up your dirndl, and some beer purposely splashed right down your cleavage," wrote Karoline Beisel and Beate Wild in 2011, in the Süddeutsche Zeitung. An average of ten reported rapes take place each year at Oktoberfest. The estimated number of unreported cases is 200. A 2004 study on the living conditions, security, and health of women in Germany, showed that 13 percent of German women have experienced a form of criminal sexualized violence. The scandal is that only 8 percent of these women filed a complaint with the police. If you include multiple complaints, then the figure decreases to 5 percent. That means that an incredible 95 percent of women in Germany who experience sexual violence don't report it to the police. - See more at: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...en-Tension-Over-Migrants#sthash.qUmL1rm9.dpuf

Well does that mean that the asylum seeker who rather than being grateful to Germans start to behave badly,? When is the natives' behaviour an excuse to do the same. On one hand we try to distinguish ourselves as being best of the best people and on other hand rather than being grateful to the hosts we do such shameful acts. I would say deport the asylum seekers who are involved in this to make an example for all, at one hand they welcome you with open arms and this is how they repay them.

 

[dayvancowboy]

Isn't it good that this time those women actually put official complaints????

I don't understand what kind of argument is above.

The argument is from those who are happy to exploit these events in order to fulfill their xenophobic and racist agenda, while nothing will be done when it comes to address violence against women.

White privilege, of course.

 

[dayvancowboy]

Well does that mean that the asylum seeker who rather than being grateful to Germans start to behave badly,? When is the natives' behaviour an excuse to do the same. On one hand we try to distinguish ourselves as being best of the best people and on other hand rather than being grateful to the hosts we do such shameful acts. I would say deport the asylum seekers who are involved in this to make an example for all, at one hand they welcome you with open arms and this is how they repay them.

Well, many of these people complain about Muslims not drinking any alcohol and not integrating to the country.

But hey, these people clearly did integrate by getting drunk like their German bros would do during Oktoberfest.

Want to have their cake and eat it.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Well, many of these people complain about Muslims not drinking any alcohol and not integrating to the country.

But hey, these people clearly did integrate by getting drunk like their German bros would do during Oktoberfest.

Want to have their cake and eat it.

Yes, these immigrants don't want proportional representation among the good work done by the law abiding folks, but they want representation in the bad habits or crimes done by others. They will only point to the natives to rationalize their own crimes--hey look even those natives do crimes, why only single us!

 

[dayvancowboy]

Yes, these immigrants don't want proportional representation among the good work done by the law abiding folks, but they want representation in the bad habits or crimes done by others. They will only point to the natives to rationalize their own crimes--hey look even those natives do crimes, why only single us!

Well, if the natives can't clean up their own act, then who are they to lecture about what some of these immigrants are doing?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Well, if the natives can't clean up their own act, then who are they to lecture about what some of these immigrants are doing?

If the natives have their own problems, the least they need is these immigrants to come and add to the problem. These ingrates want equal share in their crimes, otherwise they will cry racism and xenophobia, forgetting that if that was true, they would not have been welcomed in the country in the first place.

 

[Sherazkhalid]

Well, many of these people complain about Muslims not drinking any alcohol and not integrating to the country.

But hey, these people clearly did integrate by getting drunk like their German bros would do during Oktoberfest.

Want to have their cake and eat it.

Wow, just wow, I don't even know if you are trolling right now or not.

 

[dildilpak]

Well, if the natives can't clean up their own act, then who are they to lecture about what some of these immigrants are doing?

Hello, it is the natives who have done a big favor to the immigrants by granting them asylum, is that how you advocate one repay anybody's favor - by trying to dictate to the Germans how their own country should be run? And why are you conveniently blaming the actions of these criminals on alcohol - millions of people all over the world get drunk and party on New Year's eve - is that a license to start molesting the ladies??

Such ingrate refugees should be thrown out of Germany ASAP

 

[TSA321]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...tacked-by-mob-german-police-say-a6805531.html

A group of Pakistanis and a Syrian man have been attacked by gangs in Cologne, after foreigners were blamed for a spate of sexual assaults in the German city on New Year's Eve.

German police said around 20 unknown assailants attacked six Pakistanis on Sunday evening, two of whom had to be hospitalised.

Later, a group of five people attacked a 39-year-old Syrian national.

Local newspaper Express reported the attackers arranged to meet via Facebook in downtown Cologne to start a "manhunt" of foreigners.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

On the story itself, I find it absolutely incredible that people would go through such hardship to get to Europe then throw it all away by indulging in such stupid behaviour. They deserve to be thrown out on the first boat back to wherever they came from.

 

[eradicator]

Why am I not surprised ? This was written all over the place as soon as migrants were allowed in unlimited numbers into Germany.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why am I not surprised ? This was written all over the place as soon as migrants were allowed in unlimited numbers into Germany.

Then why didn't you put up a thread predicting such events? That would have been even more surprising.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Honestly this story depresses me greatly. That this tony minority of refugees are so selfish that they could jeopardize people with the right intentions let alone the hurt they are directly inflicting. Not to mention now people will see this as islam despite te fact these people were so religious they had no issues getting drunk late at night .


Just depressing. Hope those caught are deported