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It seems team management is not looking at that series alone and actually looking at all the matches he has played so far. His shot selection and mode of dismissals could be the reason.
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It seems team management is not looking at that series alone and actually looking at all the matches he has played so far. His shot selection and mode of dismissals could be the reason.
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It seems team management is not looking at that series alone and actually looking at all the matches he has played so far. His shot selection and mode of dismissals could be the reason.
I doubt it. Team management brought Rohit in for tests when he's done nothing in this format. So I doubt it's based on any logic. Seems like politicking to me.
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Where is the hypocrisy.Lol you change your opinions like a chameleon.
This is what you were saying in the other Rishabh Pant thread 3-4 days ago about Ravi Shastri who is also part of this team management.
Can you see your hypocrisy clearly now? Lol at the chosen one.
Ravi shashtri is a hypocrite not me. LOL
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What wrong has Pant done in tests? In ODIs/T20s we should have Sanju and Ishan as contenders, why are we looking at an oldie in red ball cricket? Saha is a superb keeper and capable bat but too old now. Bharat should be an option, he is like a 22 year old version of Saha, but more dominant batsman. Pant should have been in the first XI, another young keeper in the squad to push him. Unlike shorter formats, the Delhi lad has given no excuse to be benched.
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India's Pant currently a 'one-trick pony', says Jones
MUMBAI (Reuters) - India batsman Rishabh Pant needs to improve his off-side game if he wants to graduate from being a one-trick pony, former Australia batsman Dean Jones has told Reuters.
The young stumper-batsman is perceived as Mahendra Singh Dhoni’s natural successor in limited overs cricket for India when the former captain eventually hangs up his gloves.
But the 22-year-old has received lots of flak lately from India’s coaching staff, pundits and the media after losing his wicket through loose shots and his position in the India test side has been taken by fit-again Wriddhiman Saha.
“He’s still a young kid, still learning his craft, still doesn’t know what’s going on a little bit,” Jones, who now works as a television media pundit, said in an interview.
“He needs to work more on his strokeplay through the offside. At the moment, he’s just a bit of a one-trick pony.
“We know he’s got an off-side game, he’s just got to work more. It wouldn’t take long to change but he needs to be very specific in his training programme right now.”
Jones, an expert for Star Sports’ Select Dugout, cited the example of South Africa stumper-batsman Quinton de Kock, who top-scored for them in the recent Twenty20 series in India.
“Quinton de Kock changed his game, that was very evident in the last T20 series against India,” said Jones, who played 52 tests and 164 one-day internationals for Australia.
“Everyone thought he struggled to hit the ball between point and mid-off and they bowled there. But through lots of net practice and good technique work, he hit a lot of boundaries.
“And all of a sudden they couldn’t line him up properly because he had other options to score.”
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Pant played 11 tests in the absence of the injured Saha and used his chances well, hitting a century in an Oval test against England last year while smashing an unbeaten 159 versus Australia in Sydney in January.
His six-hitting ability makes him a limited-overs asset, but India head coach Ravi Shastri and batting coach Vikram Rathour have said in recent interviews that the left-hander’s shot selection has occasionally let the team down.
Pant played within himself and seemed to curb his natural instincts in his 26-ball knock of 27 during India’s loss to Bangladesh in the first T20 in Delhi on Sunday.
“When you are going through a bad phase you start doubting your strokeplay,” Jones said. “Ultimately you’ve got to go with the gut feel when you play T20 cricket. And at the moment I think he’s second guessing his talents.
“We want him to be a 360 degree style player but at the moment he feels to me that he’s only 180. He only scores down the ground or on the leg side and once you get a player doing that, you can control them and shut them down.”
India’s quest for the perfect number four batsman dominated the headlines in the lead-up to this year’s 50-over World Cup in England, where they went out in the semi-finals to New Zealand, and they continue to fret over the position in T20s too.
With India boasting a top three of Rohit Sharma, Shikhar Dhawan and talisman Virat Kohli, Jones thinks the number four batsman should be one who can hold the innings together when the side suffer an early loss of wickets.
“He’s a very important player, the number four has to come in at 10-2 or 100-2,” he said. “(India) probably didn’t have a glue player — to be able to work singles, still hit boundaries and be able to put on a good score — coming in at 10-2.
“The number four is a very difficult spot. They’ve got eight series now or 29 matches minimum to work out who is their number four. But the key is let that person have five to six games. If it doesn’t work then change it.
“It’s normally a technical player who’s got good technique to do that job... You need a player who can stop the bleeding, not so much a player to go and belt it.”
https://in.reuters.com/article/uk-c...tly-a-one-trick-pony-says-jones-idINKBN1XG20G
MUMBAI (Reuters) - India batsman Rishabh Pant needs to improve his off-side game if he wants to graduate from being a one-trick pony, former Australia batsman Dean Jones has told Reuters.
The young stumper-batsman is perceived as Mahendra Singh Dhoni’s natural successor in limited overs cricket for India when the former captain eventually hangs up his gloves.
But the 22-year-old has received lots of flak lately from India’s coaching staff, pundits and the media after losing his wicket through loose shots and his position in the India test side has been taken by fit-again Wriddhiman Saha.
“He’s still a young kid, still learning his craft, still doesn’t know what’s going on a little bit,” Jones, who now works as a television media pundit, said in an interview.
“He needs to work more on his strokeplay through the offside. At the moment, he’s just a bit of a one-trick pony.
“We know he’s got an off-side game, he’s just got to work more. It wouldn’t take long to change but he needs to be very specific in his training programme right now.”
Jones, an expert for Star Sports’ Select Dugout, cited the example of South Africa stumper-batsman Quinton de Kock, who top-scored for them in the recent Twenty20 series in India.
“Quinton de Kock changed his game, that was very evident in the last T20 series against India,” said Jones, who played 52 tests and 164 one-day internationals for Australia.
“Everyone thought he struggled to hit the ball between point and mid-off and they bowled there. But through lots of net practice and good technique work, he hit a lot of boundaries.
“And all of a sudden they couldn’t line him up properly because he had other options to score.”
NATURAL INSTINCTS
Pant played 11 tests in the absence of the injured Saha and used his chances well, hitting a century in an Oval test against England last year while smashing an unbeaten 159 versus Australia in Sydney in January.
His six-hitting ability makes him a limited-overs asset, but India head coach Ravi Shastri and batting coach Vikram Rathour have said in recent interviews that the left-hander’s shot selection has occasionally let the team down.
Pant played within himself and seemed to curb his natural instincts in his 26-ball knock of 27 during India’s loss to Bangladesh in the first T20 in Delhi on Sunday.
“When you are going through a bad phase you start doubting your strokeplay,” Jones said. “Ultimately you’ve got to go with the gut feel when you play T20 cricket. And at the moment I think he’s second guessing his talents.
“We want him to be a 360 degree style player but at the moment he feels to me that he’s only 180. He only scores down the ground or on the leg side and once you get a player doing that, you can control them and shut them down.”
India’s quest for the perfect number four batsman dominated the headlines in the lead-up to this year’s 50-over World Cup in England, where they went out in the semi-finals to New Zealand, and they continue to fret over the position in T20s too.
With India boasting a top three of Rohit Sharma, Shikhar Dhawan and talisman Virat Kohli, Jones thinks the number four batsman should be one who can hold the innings together when the side suffer an early loss of wickets.
“He’s a very important player, the number four has to come in at 10-2 or 100-2,” he said. “(India) probably didn’t have a glue player — to be able to work singles, still hit boundaries and be able to put on a good score — coming in at 10-2.
“The number four is a very difficult spot. They’ve got eight series now or 29 matches minimum to work out who is their number four. But the key is let that person have five to six games. If it doesn’t work then change it.
“It’s normally a technical player who’s got good technique to do that job... You need a player who can stop the bleeding, not so much a player to go and belt it.”
https://in.reuters.com/article/uk-c...tly-a-one-trick-pony-says-jones-idINKBN1XG20G
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Nagpur: Rishabh Pant has come under a lot of criticism in recent times, especially after he missed an opportunity to stump Liton Das in the second T20I against Bangladesh in Rajkot.
But stand-in skipper Rohit Sharma wants fans and the media to let him breathe and not focus on every move the youngster makes.
Speaking to the media on the eve of the third T20I, Rohit said: “You know there is a lot of talk happening about Pant every day, every minute. I just feel that he needs to be allowed to do what he wants to do on the field. I would request everyone to keep their eyes away from Pant for a while.
“He is a fearless cricketer and we (team management) want him to have that freedom. And if you guys take your eyes off him for sometime, it will allow him to perform even better.”
The captain went on to point that the wicket-keeper is a youngster and should be allowed to express himself and play the game.
“He is a young guy, 22, trying to make his mark in international cricket. Every move he makes on the field, people start talking about him. It is not fair. I think we should allow him to play his cricket which actually he also wants to do,” he said.
While people have gone overboard with Pant’s poor dismissals and wicket-keeping gaffs, Rohit wants people to also focus on the good work that he does.
“Focus on him a lot more when he is doing good things also, not just bad things. He has been learning, there have been times he has kept well also. He is trying to do what the team management wants him to do,” he pointed.
Apart from standing behind Pant, Rohit also praised Shreyas Iyer and said that the youngsters are very talented and have great ability. He went on to add that he just wants the youngsters to feel confident out in the middle.
“Both of them are very talented, have great ability in whatever they do. Definitely the future of Indian cricket and they have proved that at all levels. Rishabh has been around for a year to two. Shreyas has been in and out but now he looks settled in ODIs, trying to make a mark in T20s.
“All I would tell them is just understand your game which is very important in whatever format you play. Feeling confident about your game is very important. They are working hard towards their game so I don’t see any reason why they can’t get the results. They have everything to be successful at the international level. In a year or two, you will see them batting differently,” he said.
Sharma, meanwhile, is two sixes away from joining the elite 400 sixes club in international cricket.
In the ODIs, Rohit has hammered 232 sixes, while he has struck 51 in Tests. In T20Is, the Mumbai batsman has struck 115 sixes so far.
Till now, only two players have reached the milestone. Former Pakistan batsman Shahid Afridi has 476 sixes while West Indies opener Chris Gayle has amassed 534 sixes in international cricket.
After registering an emphatic victory in Rajkot to level the three-match rubber, India will aim for another commanding performance when they take on the Bangla Tigers in the series-deciding third T20I here on Sunday.
Teams batting first have won eight of the 11 T20Is played at this venue and thus it would be interesting to see what India would do in case they win the toss.
https://gulfnews.com/sport/cricket/...play-his-cricket-rohit-sharma-says-1.67713745
But stand-in skipper Rohit Sharma wants fans and the media to let him breathe and not focus on every move the youngster makes.
Speaking to the media on the eve of the third T20I, Rohit said: “You know there is a lot of talk happening about Pant every day, every minute. I just feel that he needs to be allowed to do what he wants to do on the field. I would request everyone to keep their eyes away from Pant for a while.
“He is a fearless cricketer and we (team management) want him to have that freedom. And if you guys take your eyes off him for sometime, it will allow him to perform even better.”
The captain went on to point that the wicket-keeper is a youngster and should be allowed to express himself and play the game.
“He is a young guy, 22, trying to make his mark in international cricket. Every move he makes on the field, people start talking about him. It is not fair. I think we should allow him to play his cricket which actually he also wants to do,” he said.
While people have gone overboard with Pant’s poor dismissals and wicket-keeping gaffs, Rohit wants people to also focus on the good work that he does.
“Focus on him a lot more when he is doing good things also, not just bad things. He has been learning, there have been times he has kept well also. He is trying to do what the team management wants him to do,” he pointed.
Apart from standing behind Pant, Rohit also praised Shreyas Iyer and said that the youngsters are very talented and have great ability. He went on to add that he just wants the youngsters to feel confident out in the middle.
“Both of them are very talented, have great ability in whatever they do. Definitely the future of Indian cricket and they have proved that at all levels. Rishabh has been around for a year to two. Shreyas has been in and out but now he looks settled in ODIs, trying to make a mark in T20s.
“All I would tell them is just understand your game which is very important in whatever format you play. Feeling confident about your game is very important. They are working hard towards their game so I don’t see any reason why they can’t get the results. They have everything to be successful at the international level. In a year or two, you will see them batting differently,” he said.
Sharma, meanwhile, is two sixes away from joining the elite 400 sixes club in international cricket.
In the ODIs, Rohit has hammered 232 sixes, while he has struck 51 in Tests. In T20Is, the Mumbai batsman has struck 115 sixes so far.
Till now, only two players have reached the milestone. Former Pakistan batsman Shahid Afridi has 476 sixes while West Indies opener Chris Gayle has amassed 534 sixes in international cricket.
After registering an emphatic victory in Rajkot to level the three-match rubber, India will aim for another commanding performance when they take on the Bangla Tigers in the series-deciding third T20I here on Sunday.
Teams batting first have won eight of the 11 T20Is played at this venue and thus it would be interesting to see what India would do in case they win the toss.
https://gulfnews.com/sport/cricket/...play-his-cricket-rohit-sharma-says-1.67713745
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India middle-order batsmen Shreyas Iyer and Rishabh Pant enthralled Visakhapatnam crowd as they took West Indies bowlers to the cleaners to help their side post a mammoth total of 387/5 in the 3rd ODI. Pant walked to the middle after Sheldon Cottrell dismissed Rohit Sharma for 159. Facing off against Alzarri Joseph in the 45th over, the left-handed batsman hammered two big sixes to begin the show. In the next over from Cottrell, the wicketkeeper-batsman struck two sixes and three fours.
In the next over, Shreyas Iyer joined the party as he slammed off-spinner Roston Chase for four sixes and a boundary. The duo registered 31 runs in the over, the most runs by any Indian pair in an over in ODIs. They surpassed the previous record held by Sachin Tendulkar and Ajay Jadeja, who had hammered 28 runs in an over in 1999. In two overs, Iyer and Pant slammed 55 runs which left skipper Virat Kohli and the rest of the dressing room in awe.
West Indies skipper Kieron Pollard employed Keemo Paul in the next over to curtail the run flow. Paul dismissed Pant in the third ball, thus bringing an end to the sensational show put on by the two batsmen in Vizag. The 21-year-old walked back after scoring 39 runs in 16 balls. Iyer went on to score his fifty, but was dismissed soon after, scoring 53 runs in 32 balls.
The duo scored 73 runs in 25 balls, at a run rate of 18.25, which is the highest scoring rate by an Indian pair in the format. They surpassed the previous record held by Stuart Binny and Kedar Jadhav, who had hammered 50 runs at a rate of 15.78 against Zimbabawe in 2015.
Overall, Iyer and Pant are at third position in the list of pair with highest scoring-rate in the ODIs, only next to AB de Villiers-Farhaan Behardien who had scored 80 runs at a rate of 24 in 2015 against Windies, and Jacob Oram and Ross Taylor who had scored 85 runs at a rate of 23.18 against Pakistan in 2011..
Kedar Jadhav struck three boundaries in the final over from Paul to help the hosts post a mammoth total of 387/5 in 20 overs. This is India’s 2nd highest total in fifty-overs cricket.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...ht-up-vizag/story-lrDNMcHSbdCfVucmU7C04I.html
In the next over, Shreyas Iyer joined the party as he slammed off-spinner Roston Chase for four sixes and a boundary. The duo registered 31 runs in the over, the most runs by any Indian pair in an over in ODIs. They surpassed the previous record held by Sachin Tendulkar and Ajay Jadeja, who had hammered 28 runs in an over in 1999. In two overs, Iyer and Pant slammed 55 runs which left skipper Virat Kohli and the rest of the dressing room in awe.
West Indies skipper Kieron Pollard employed Keemo Paul in the next over to curtail the run flow. Paul dismissed Pant in the third ball, thus bringing an end to the sensational show put on by the two batsmen in Vizag. The 21-year-old walked back after scoring 39 runs in 16 balls. Iyer went on to score his fifty, but was dismissed soon after, scoring 53 runs in 32 balls.
The duo scored 73 runs in 25 balls, at a run rate of 18.25, which is the highest scoring rate by an Indian pair in the format. They surpassed the previous record held by Stuart Binny and Kedar Jadhav, who had hammered 50 runs at a rate of 15.78 against Zimbabawe in 2015.
Overall, Iyer and Pant are at third position in the list of pair with highest scoring-rate in the ODIs, only next to AB de Villiers-Farhaan Behardien who had scored 80 runs at a rate of 24 in 2015 against Windies, and Jacob Oram and Ross Taylor who had scored 85 runs at a rate of 23.18 against Pakistan in 2011..
Kedar Jadhav struck three boundaries in the final over from Paul to help the hosts post a mammoth total of 387/5 in 20 overs. This is India’s 2nd highest total in fifty-overs cricket.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...ht-up-vizag/story-lrDNMcHSbdCfVucmU7C04I.html
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Pant has three FC hundred in SENA (2 in Australia & 1 in England) - he is just 23 years old.
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Ind vs Aus: Rishabh Pant leaks easy catch again, this embarrassing record of poor wicketkeeping
Rishabh Pant made his debut in the Test format for the Indian cricket team in 2018. He has played 14 matches since then.
Rishabh Pant has been criticized for keeping.
Indian team wicketkeeper Rishabh Pant is constantly in the news due to his performance. On most occasions, he is surrounded by questions. Whether it is his batting or wicketkeeping, Pant’s performance often invites criticism. On the third day of the second Test match between India and Australia in Melbourne, Pant’s mistake once again caught everyone’s attention. Not only this, a new figure has emerged, which is exposing Pant’s shortcomings even more.
In the second Test match between India and Australia in Melbourne, young wicketkeeper Rishabh Pant was given the chance to replace senior wicketkeeper Wriddhiman Saha. Despite Pant’s lack of keeping, he was given a chance to see his ability with the bat. Pant was seen struggling behind the wicket in the first innings. However, there was no catch, but he gave several byes.
In the second innings, the Indian team made a strong grip by taking big wickets of Australia. In the last half hour of the third session, the Indian team needed 4 wickets of Australia in the second innings. At that time the Australian team was few runs behind India’s score.
Most catches left after 2018
This is where Pant made a mistake. Pat Cummins tried to defend by taking the bat forward on the ball of Ravichandran Ashwin (R Ashwin), but the ball went to Pant with the edge of the bat. Pant could not catch this catch. As a result, India could not get a seventh wicket and Cummins, along with Cameron Green, saved the team from defeat on the third day.
However, Pant made a good catch of Tim Paine off Ravindra Jadeja just before that, but for overall Pant did not go much better in terms of keeping. Despite this, Pant is scheduled to play in the next Test.
https://nationworldnews.com/ind-vs-...arrassing-record-of-poor-wicketkeeping/?amp=1
Rishabh Pant made his debut in the Test format for the Indian cricket team in 2018. He has played 14 matches since then.
Rishabh Pant has been criticized for keeping.
Indian team wicketkeeper Rishabh Pant is constantly in the news due to his performance. On most occasions, he is surrounded by questions. Whether it is his batting or wicketkeeping, Pant’s performance often invites criticism. On the third day of the second Test match between India and Australia in Melbourne, Pant’s mistake once again caught everyone’s attention. Not only this, a new figure has emerged, which is exposing Pant’s shortcomings even more.
In the second Test match between India and Australia in Melbourne, young wicketkeeper Rishabh Pant was given the chance to replace senior wicketkeeper Wriddhiman Saha. Despite Pant’s lack of keeping, he was given a chance to see his ability with the bat. Pant was seen struggling behind the wicket in the first innings. However, there was no catch, but he gave several byes.
In the second innings, the Indian team made a strong grip by taking big wickets of Australia. In the last half hour of the third session, the Indian team needed 4 wickets of Australia in the second innings. At that time the Australian team was few runs behind India’s score.
Most catches left after 2018
This is where Pant made a mistake. Pat Cummins tried to defend by taking the bat forward on the ball of Ravichandran Ashwin (R Ashwin), but the ball went to Pant with the edge of the bat. Pant could not catch this catch. As a result, India could not get a seventh wicket and Cummins, along with Cameron Green, saved the team from defeat on the third day.
However, Pant made a good catch of Tim Paine off Ravindra Jadeja just before that, but for overall Pant did not go much better in terms of keeping. Despite this, Pant is scheduled to play in the next Test.
https://nationworldnews.com/ind-vs-...arrassing-record-of-poor-wicketkeeping/?amp=1
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Rishabh Pant has now dropped 11 catches in Test cricket - since the start of 2018, no keeper has dropped more.
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He often gets wrong foot against pacers..
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Btw first review was Pant's mistake.. Why didn't he say anything..? It was clearly pitched outside leg..
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I am big fan of Pant , not happy with his keeping. I really wishing him to improve his keeping skills.
He need to understand that he is going to stay next one decade. He has age on his side and he will improve.
We are going to play on square turning pitches at home, hope he will learn from his mistakes.
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Do we have any quality keepers in FC as a backup?
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I would take Pant over Saha any day and everyday. The latter is walking wicket even on roads. Good riddance
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KL Rahul could become temporary fix to our wicket keeping problems till we find suitable Keeper batsman.
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We need a quality keeper batsman as he will have to bat at 6. Saha is naturally a no. 8 with the bat.
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I don't know what to do with Pant. He is a terrible keeper but a way better batsman than Saha. He brings great dynamism in the batting but drops dollies!! Ugh!
I was talking about Test cricket. Rahul is a makeshift keeper at best and would work only for LOIs. Keeping in Tests is a different ballgame.
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Does Pant not get in purely for his dynamic, counter attacking batting ability, over someone like Vihari? You can play both Saha and Pant
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Exactly.
Pant fan-boys (most of them are Saha haters) get their dhoties in a twist when there's any mention of his drops.
I am a HUGEEEE Pant fan. Think he is a future legend.
But man, his catch drops are getting on my nerves.
Imagine how bowlers would be feeling when they know there's NO guarantee with Pant behind the stumps.
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Pant is best we got. Saha should be nowhere near Team India. Saha takes India back to Mongia days where Keeping alone would suffice for selection.
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No man. Vihari is technically far more correct batsman. Pant is very good against pace and short pitch stuffs but he lacks foot movement and will struggle against moving ball.
However, as a keeper batsman, you don't have to worry too much into the technicalities of batting and he is good enough to go after bowling as the bowl will generally be a bit old and he can intimidate the opposition with his counter-attack, a glimpse of that he showed a day ago.
We need five genuine batsman, a counter-attacking keeper batsman at 6 with a better keeping skill than Pant which we don't have, Jadeja and four bowlers.
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He's usually very safe vs pacers,clueless vs spin
We can only hope he improves on that.Still an upgrade over Saha.
If he gets a full home season,there'll be lot of drops but eventually he'll improve.
I might sound biased lol but For his age he's okay.Dhoni was equally terrible vs pace when he debuted.Gradually improved
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If our top 5 batsmen are good enough,his batting won't be a problem.Then we can think of Saha
But fact is both Pant and Jadeja regularly outbat some of our bats
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As long as Aus lose tom....all will be forgotten.
We should win from here.But then 36 all out memory is fresh
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We should win from here.But then 36 all out memory is fresh
If they add 100-150 more......it's gonna be a mess.
But they can get bundled within 15 runs too.
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150? If they score 80 more I am taking early morning shots tomorrow, I don't think I have the heart to watch it sober. Just way too many similar heartbreaks in recent times.
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Bhai......the 36 seems to have done a real number on you.
Understandable.
A few years back, I would have been the same way.
Fingers crossed on India winning and the old Hyperion returning in full force.
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I am guessing you live in Australia. For us it's simple, wake up only after the game is over
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I agree with you.
Even the Pant-haters completely ignore his contribution with the bat in this test. There is no common ground or objectivity with the ******* and haters.
But I can imagine the frustration that Ashwin and Jadeja would be having with Pant; they could miss 5-10% of their career wickets tally (from hereon) if Pant continues this way.
In an ideal world, Pant has to improve his keeping. And team management should start finding alternatives (Good keeper-batsmen) for him and no, Saha is not one of them.
Even the Pant-haters completely ignore his contribution with the bat in this test. There is no common ground or objectivity with the ******* and haters.
But I can imagine the frustration that Ashwin and Jadeja would be having with Pant; they could miss 5-10% of their career wickets tally (from hereon) if Pant continues this way.
In an ideal world, Pant has to improve his keeping. And team management should start finding alternatives (Good keeper-batsmen) for him and no, Saha is not one of them.
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There is one Pant hater in this forum.
Other than that, don't see anyone.
Saha haters are looming in every corner.
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I am guessing you live in Australia. For us it's simple, wake up only after the game is over
No bruv, unfortunately I am an early riser. Can't sleep past 5 even if I want to, the pressure is just too much to resist if you know what I mean
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There is one Pant hater in this forum.
Other than that, don't see anyone.
Saha haters are looming in every corner.
Doubt there are any Saha haters.He's a nice guy who everyone wants to do well.Just doesn't have ability and age is not on his side.Days of pure keepers are gone
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I doubt they care about personal stats as long as we win
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In tests I'd like to have very good keeper (below avg batsman) than avg keeper batsman.. its just lucky that those dropped catches didn't cost us much..
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They would, when things get difficult for them or the team, and they're fighting for their place in the team or something like that.
Just look at Shoaib Akhtar, he still nurses anger towards Kamran Akmal for all the dropped catches.
Just look at Shoaib Akhtar, he still nurses anger towards Kamran Akmal for all the dropped catches.
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It's not lucky,they rarely do.Everyone plays batsman keeper these days
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We need five bowling options.
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A person like Saha can never be hated but an average of 13 in SENA............... IT'S just too less.There is one Pant hater in this forum.
Other than that, don't see anyone.
Saha haters are looming in every corner.
Specialist wicketkeepers can only play if our batsman consistently make big scores which they don't
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Bhai......the 36 seems to have done a real number on you.
Understandable.
A few years back, I would have been the same way.
Fingers crossed on India winning and the old Hyperion returning in full force.
It actually did man. I don't think I felt that heartbroken and hopeless in my 20 years of watching cricket and I have seen my fair share of humiliations and embarrassments.
I need the series to regain my old form.
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Any list or link?
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True but don't go by stats.
Most of the modern day experts are rubbish at analyzing numbers anyway.
Here's an innings by innings breakdown of Saha:
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...rt;template=results;type=batting;view=innings
3 tests in Aus 2012 - 2015
35 & 3
25 & 13
35 & 0
All of this when team was ALWAYS under the pump with no chance of winning.
Not earth shattering numbers but a okayish return for a keeper who is there for his extraordinary keeping skills.
He contributed something in every test.
Statistically it's not great but there was promise shown tho he hadn't kicked on.
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Then came SA tour where he played in the Joberg pitch which was literally unplayable.
0 & 8.
Then came last Aus test where he flopped in both innings.
9 & 4.
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Statistically it's atrocious numbers but it's not as bad as it's made out to be.
For all we know, he might have scored in this test.
If you go by Saha's history, he has a penchant for scoring runs when his team really needs him. He doesn't stat boost.
Keeping is his plus point (even if he didn't have a great Adelaide test). Batting he is handy.
Of course, Pant is better but the statistically plays that's being made out with low sample sets is misleading.
It's similar to all the hoopla about Kuldeep and Chahal averaging in teens in SA (ODIs) while Ash & Jaddu averaged 100 and how these spinners were 10X better..
Yeah they were OBVIOUSLY bowling better by a long shot but the pitch, opposition, batting quality were so different that I knew this comparison will come to bite us in the future.
And it did.
Stats are like bikinis...
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^Of course, no comparison with Pant.
Pant is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better in batting.
Just talking about Saha's average in SENA.
Pant is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better in batting.
Just talking about Saha's average in SENA.
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Did you mention that 13 in Adelaide 2014 as a contribution?Do you remember how he got out?
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I meant the 25 in the prev innings.
Obviously not the 13.
It was clear he was asked to go for it that innings tho.
He actually looked good in that innings before an ill advised expansive shot.
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About KulCha they had the novelty factor so did really well
Now we need someone else but finger spinners don't work anymore in LOIs
Now we need someone else but finger spinners don't work anymore in LOIs
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Anyway those contributions are something expected of a good tailenders.
That innings he just needed to stay and Kohli would have won us the game.Imagine Pant or Dhoni there
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2P1yzN2CaE
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Take a look at how good Saha was before he tried one too many shots.
Don't fall for public opinion.
Truth is often not as sexy.
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Take a look at how good Saha was before he tried one too many shots.
Don't fall for public opinion.
Truth is often not as sexy.
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Nah not in SENA countries.
Tailenders don't do give you a 30 odd every 2nd innings in SENA.
It was obvious Saha was instructed to go for it.
Had he clicked, people would be hailing it for his "bold", "aggressive" and "fearless" approach.
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So now SAHA supporters think his batting stats are meaningless and should persist with but on the other hand will bring in Pant’s stats to downplay him. Not so sensible fans eh
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****** finger spinners and out of form finger/complacent finger spinners (like Ash and jaddu in 2017) don't work.
It was a finger spinner that kept our hopes alive in 2019 WC SF while the wristy was getting carted around.
It was another finger spinner who valiantly fought the Aussies in 2015 WC SF on a total patta.
It's all about bowling well and creating wicket taking chances. Finger spinner or not.
It was a finger spinner that kept our hopes alive in 2019 WC SF while the wristy was getting carted around.
It was another finger spinner who valiantly fought the Aussies in 2015 WC SF on a total patta.
It's all about bowling well and creating wicket taking chances. Finger spinner or not.
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Learn to read lol.
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There is no place for subtlety or nuance.
Everything is black and white.
Everything is black and white.
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Yea right. Next
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I said good tailender.Someone like say Bhuvi .You have to see that those were very flat conditions too
I'm sure he was asked to be positive
But there's a different in that and premeditated run down the wicket .Specially when it doesnt come natural to you.Lyon was the main threat.
Ofcourse everything looks bad when it fails but that's how we analyse.Overtime stats give the picture if properly dissected.
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Bhai, these are not performances worthy of mentioning. You look at others team tail and our. With Saha, our tail starts with no.7 only and it force us to go with four bowlers only.
On other hand, teams like England or New Zealand have won games against us with batting performance from their tail, our tail adds only 30 runs. Remember the England series, that chotu party spoiler was spoiling our party everytime. Aane do us chotu party spoiler ko India iss baar
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Bhai, these are not performances worthy of mentioning. You look at others team tail and our. With Saha, our tail starts with no.7 only and it force us to go with four bowlers only.
On other hand, teams like England or New Zealand have won games against us with batting performance from their tail, our tail adds only 30 runs. Remember the England series, that chotu party spoiler was spoiling our party everytime. Aane do us chotu party spoiler ko India iss baar
That's why Pant is needed over Saha.
I thought it was obvious I am supporting Pant over Saha.
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Weren't the rules changed after that?
Jaddu was economical in 2019 but you need wicket takers in middle overs
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We lost a bunch of wickets due to tentative pokes. Rahane and Rohit.
Saha came on to disrupt Lyon's rhythm.
Agreed he failed.
Just saying the uncharacteristic knock isn't something a newbie would play with his spot on line unless he is instructed.
I am sure you can agree with that.
Still I agree he failed.
All I am saying the average of 13 is misleading with that sample set.
Cos when you dissect it, truth comes out.
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I watched it all
Rahane was not out
Yeah what to do.
Umpires in Australia + Rahane's gameface = Out
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2 new balls were in place well beforehand.
You need wicket takers....and maybe a combo might work better.
But the belief that wristies are better than finger spinners ain't true. You need control in the middle overs too.
In pressure games, wristies can lose it and give away too much.
Plus left armers are valuable. Offies are facing a threat but if they develop an other going delivery, they can survive.
The issue was that Ash and Jaddu were pathetic LOI spinners around 2017/18.
We lost because of that.
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Hopefully now people have realized why Saha was preferred over Pant. If you still can't figure out then the answer is simple : wicketkeeping. Pant has to improve his keeping otherwise he won't make it into Indian test team as a specialist batsman. He is not that good as a specialist batsman. His situation is quite similar to Pandya who was dropped from the test team because he couldn't contribute with the ball. His keeping will be tested in places like Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and turning pitches of India. I don't think he is a good outfielder as well.
Saha is on his last legs and Pant is not that great in wicketkeeping so what's the solution? May be KL Rahul should be tried as a wicketkeeper and number 6 batsman. This will make our middle order solid. He has improved his game in LOI's because of his keeping may be he can do the same in tests? Till then Mr Pant can lose some weight, improve his keeping and learn to not throw his wicket away in the domestics.
Saha is on his last legs and Pant is not that great in wicketkeeping so what's the solution? May be KL Rahul should be tried as a wicketkeeper and number 6 batsman. This will make our middle order solid. He has improved his game in LOI's because of his keeping may be he can do the same in tests? Till then Mr Pant can lose some weight, improve his keeping and learn to not throw his wicket away in the domestics.
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No I mean the 4 fielder outside 15 yards rule.Lot of part timers also stopped bowling after that.
Anyway I support Ash in T20s. Can do much better than Sundar.
Ideally you need a mix of control and wicket taking ability
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Hopefully now people have realized why Saha was preferred over Pant. If you still can't figure out then the answer is simple : wicketkeeping. Pant has to improve his keeping otherwise he won't make it into Indian test team as a specialist batsman. He is not that good as a specialist batsman. His situation is quite similar to Pandya who was dropped from the test team because he couldn't contribute with the ball. His keeping will be tested in places like Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and turning pitches of India. I don't think he is a good outfielder as well.
Saha is on his last legs and Pant is not that great in wicketkeeping so what's the solution? May be KL Rahul should be tried as a wicketkeeper and number 6 batsman. This will make our middle order solid. He has improved his game in LOI's because of his keeping may be he can do the same in tests? Till then Mr Pant can lose some weight, improve his keeping and learn to not throw his wicket away in the domestics.
How?We lost with Saha not contributing anything at Adelaide and are in good position here despite the drop
Rahul doesn't keep in longer formats in FC .If he does hes the best option
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It was in 2012 itself.
Remember how Younis Khan destroyed Yuvi in the Aane do series first game.
Then we went with 5 bowlers in 2013 CT.
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You should ask the team management why they picked Saha in the first test even after Pant scored a hundred in a practice match? Surely it was not because of Saha's batting. Team management and bowlers don't have much confidence in his keeping it seems. This match is not finished yet. So I won't comment on how much this drop of Cummins will affect the result of this match.
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Interesting idea. I wonder if KL can keep in tests, not saying he can't. Perhaps that's the only way he can come back into the Test XI. Unless they replace Vihari with KL in the next match.
But the easiest thing would be for Pant to improve his keeping. I wish he had done that during the lockdown; it's not that he didn't know of his shortcomings when it comes to wicketkeeping. And also, how could he not lose some weight and become leaner; did he not have a mirror as well? (Or is he someone who has that body type that will look chubby no matter how much he exercises and does diet?)
But the easiest thing would be for Pant to improve his keeping. I wish he had done that during the lockdown; it's not that he didn't know of his shortcomings when it comes to wicketkeeping. And also, how could he not lose some weight and become leaner; did he not have a mirror as well? (Or is he someone who has that body type that will look chubby no matter how much he exercises and does diet?)
Hopefully now people have realized why Saha was preferred over Pant. If you still can't figure out then the answer is simple : wicketkeeping. Pant has to improve his keeping otherwise he won't make it into Indian test team as a specialist batsman. He is not that good as a specialist batsman. His situation is quite similar to Pandya who was dropped from the test team because he couldn't contribute with the ball. His keeping will be tested in places like Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and turning pitches of India. I don't think he is a good outfielder as well.
Saha is on his last legs and Pant is not that great in wicketkeeping so what's the solution? May be KL Rahul should be tried as a wicketkeeper and number 6 batsman. This will make our middle order solid. He has improved his game in LOI's because of his keeping may be he can do the same in tests? Till then Mr Pant can lose some weight, improve his keeping and learn to not throw his wicket away in the domestics.
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You should ask the team management why they picked Saha in the first test even after Pant scored a hundred in a practice match? Surely it was not because of Saha's batting. Team management and bowlers don't have much confidence in his keeping it seems. This match is not finished yet. So I won't comment on how much this drop of Cummins will affect the result of this match.
Why did they change it here?Should have backed Saha no
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He was doing backflips while looking chubby in 2019 so maybe some truth in that
How would he have practised in lockdown?
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Hopefully improves, I was a fan of Saha but with age not on his side and seeing how test matches in SENA have become about momentum Pant seems the right choice.
Pant seems to be Rohit Sharma of 208-2012 ,currently gets all the hate on social media as well..
Pant seems to be Rohit Sharma of 208-2012 ,currently gets all the hate on social media as well..
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but he got the backing of Dhoni/team management which is why he delivered eventually
Pant doesn't seem as lucky as of now
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