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Rishabh Pant : Performance Watch

Why did they change it here?Should have backed Saha no
There could be 3-4 reasons in my opinion :
a) They wanted a scapegoat after 36 all out
b) They wanted to protect Pant from day night test
c) After picking 5 bowlers, they needed someone who can bat a bit better than Saha and didn't give a damn about his keeping

If Cummins go on to make 50-60 runs and help Australia win then they will drop Pant again because he will be criticised for his keeping by everyone. My point is Saha was preferred for his keeping and is a average batsman but if he doesn't contribute with the gloves then he won't stay in the team for long.

What's your opinion? :inti
 
There could be 3-4 reasons in my opinion :
a) They wanted a scapegoat after 36 all out
b) They wanted to protect Pant from day night test
c) After picking 5 bowlers, they needed someone who can bat a bit better than Saha and didn't give a damn about his keeping

If Cummins go on to make 50-60 runs and help Australia win then they will drop Pant again because he will be criticised for his keeping by everyone. My point is Saha was preferred for his keeping and is a average batsman but if he doesn't contribute with the gloves then he won't stay in the team for long.

What's your opinion? :inti

The scapegoat after a batting failure are the batsmen.Its obvious they want to be beef up batting.Saha works only when top 5 is performing which is currently not the case

Pant scored his warmup ton in day night game lol

ofcourse Pant has to contribute with the bat and gloves,but he got age on his side which Saha doesn't.There's more chances of Pant improving keeping than Saha improving batting
 
He needs to improve his keeping and fitness, but he will come good eventually. A quality player.
 
Already dropped two within the first 25 overs but most importantly tryied to cheat claiming the second ctach when he had clearly not taken it.
 
Ohh my god.
This guy need some proper training, definitely need to improve his keeping skills against spin.
 
Having suffered through Parthiv Patel in the 2003-04 tour, I still have plenty of patience left inside for me for Pant :jimmy
 
Having suffered through Parthiv Patel in the 2003-04 tour, I still have plenty of patience left inside for me for Pant :jimmy

Why? Parthiv Patel didn't turn out good at all - his career was a big drop from the initial beginner's luck.

Looks like the same thing is happening to Pant. We need a proper batter-keeper from Ranji not named Saha or Pant.
 
Why? Parthiv Patel didn't turn out good at all - his career was a big drop from the initial beginner's luck.

Kumble literally spat at him at one point. Steve Waugh's last game was drawn and not won by us, pretty much thanks to Parthiv :shezzy2
 
KL Rahul should play as a wicket keeper batsman in tests also. I think he can improve. Will be an upgrade over Pant and Saha. He will strengthen our lower order batting too. :inti
 
KL Rahul should play as a wicket keeper batsman in tests also. I think he can improve. Will be an upgrade over Pant and Saha. He will strengthen our lower order batting too. :inti

Until he'll get a mysterious wrist injury - a wrist that will never trouble him in April and May every year.
 
His keeping is not improving.

Can't afford an average wicketkeeper in test cricket who keep dropping dollies and keep giving extra runs. He has dropped 13-14 catches in last couple of matches. I kept asking Pant fans why was Saha preferred over Pant in the first test but no one was giving a logical answer. :inti
 
He is performing more with his mouth than he is with his cricketing hands...

Eats well

Talks well
 
Pant has scored 159 not out last time he played in Sydney. Hoping for a similar innings this time too.
 
Since May 2018, Jos Buttler has not dropped a catch as keeper. No other established keeper in the world has recorded 100% success in that time.

Plenty more to being a keeper in Tests, and Buttler has been poor with the bat of late - but his catching has been solid.

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Can't afford an average wicketkeeper in test cricket who keep dropping dollies and keep giving extra runs. He has dropped 13-14 catches in last couple of matches. I kept asking Pant fans why was Saha preferred over Pant in the first test but no one was giving a logical answer. :inti

I get why Pant is selected but his keeping should have improved after a couple of years in international cricket.
 
Do we have any backup for him? Saha is getting older and his reflexes might be going down along with it. So we need to move on from him atleast after the England series. How good is Ishan Kishan’s keeping?
 
Do we have any backup for him? Saha is getting older and his reflexes might be going down along with it. So we need to move on from him atleast after the England series. How good is Ishan Kishan’s keeping?

I heard about K. S. Bharat but I am not sure how good he is.
 
Shocking display today, let's hope it was just nerves and he needs to compensate with the bat.
 
Since May 2018, Jos Buttler has not dropped a catch as keeper. No other established keeper in the world has recorded 100% success in that time.

Plenty more to being a keeper in Tests, and Buttler has been poor with the bat of late - but his catching has been solid.

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Thanks for this post man, wow Butler and Rizwan did damn good with gloves. Pak is lucky having someone like him.
 
Since May 2018, Jos Buttler has not dropped a catch as keeper. No other established keeper in the world has recorded 100% success in that time.

Plenty more to being a keeper in Tests, and Buttler has been poor with the bat of late - but his catching has been solid.

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Then there is no point bringing in Saha either if those are his stats..even in domestics I cant think of anyone?
 
Then there is no point bringing in Saha either if those are his stats..even in domestics I cant think of anyone?

Nahh..

Saha played most of the matches on square turning home pitches
Pant playing on OS fast tracks, relatively easy to keep.

Pant would have placed in bottom 5 if he had played more tests in India.
 
Since May 2018, Jos Buttler has not dropped a catch as keeper. No other established keeper in the world has recorded 100% success in that time.

Plenty more to being a keeper in Tests, and Buttler has been poor with the bat of late - but his catching has been solid.

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I am surprised with these stats because I can remember people bashing and criticizing Buttler during the home series last year for pretty mediocre showcase of wicket keeping skills. He dropped a number of catches in that season only. Luckily, he performed with the bat and won them that match.
 
Nahh..

Saha played most of the matches on square turning home pitches
Pant playing on OS fast tracks, relatively easy to keep.

Pant would have placed in bottom 5 if he had played more tests in India.

Easy to keep in fast tracks?Why was Dhoni so bad then off pacers?

keeping to spin is tough,but it'll only improve by playing.Our FC neither has quality spinners nor square turners so no point going there
 
I am surprised with these stats because I can remember people bashing and criticizing Buttler during the home series last year for pretty mediocre showcase of wicket keeping skills. He dropped a number of catches in that season only. Luckily, he performed with the bat and won them that match.

Thats an old graphic.Buttler was horrible in series vs Pak
 
Easy to keep in fast tracks?Why was Dhoni so bad then off pacers?

keeping to spin is tough,but it'll only improve by playing.Our FC neither has quality spinners nor square turners so no point going there

So we should let him drop more catches at International Level then? I find it bit strange that you were going after Prithvi Shaw after just 1 match but now defending Pant blindly. If he wants to improve he has to play domestic cricket just like other players. :inti
 
Since the start of 2018, Rishabh Pant averages 0.86 dropped catches per Test played.
Of all keepers to play 10 matches in that time, Pant's drops-per-Test record is the worst.
 
So we should let him drop more catches at International Level then? I find it bit strange that you were going after Prithvi Shaw after just 1 match but now defending Pant blindly. If he wants to improve he has to play domestic cricket just like other players. :inti

Pant has performances in previous tours behind him,what does Shaw have?

Besides Shaw is competing with many batsmen whereas Pant's alternative is an aging Saha
 
Pant has performances in previous tours behind him,what does Shaw have?

Besides Shaw is competing with many batsmen whereas Pant's alternative is an aging Saha

He has an experience of just 1 match in Australia and yes that is more than enough to drop him lol.

Pant can very well cost India this match if he continues to drop catches like this. I don't think Ashwin and Jaddu will feel confident with Pant behind the wicket. Hopefully he concentrates more on his keeping than the trash talk which he does behind the wickets. :inti
 
He has an experience of just 1 match in Australia and yes that is more than enough to drop him lol.

Pant can very well cost India this match if he continues to drop catches like this. I don't think Ashwin and Jaddu will feel confident with Pant behind the wicket. Hopefully he concentrates more on his keeping than the trash talk which he does behind the wickets. :inti

Dropping doesnt mean writing off.Shaw was rightly replaced with another youngster and can still come back once he corrects his technique

Pant's keeping needs to improve but bringing back Saha isn't a long term move.We also need to play 5 bowlers which is only possible with Pant
 
93 is good vs pace. Vs spin needs lots of work but also needs a home season to improve

I've seen he's giving byes few times.. so it's not that good tbh.. and relatively keeping against spinners is tougher than against pacers..
 
Yup,still young.Overall still providing value as long as he allows us to play 5 bowlers

If he keeps dropping catches then there's no advantages having five bowlers.. and Jadeja was selected bcs he can bat..
 
I've seen he's giving byes few times.. so it's not that good tbh.. and relatively keeping against spinners is tougher than against pacers..

Thats a myth.Both have their own challenges.Against pacers,a keeper has to cover a lot of area to his right or left

Pant's issues is hard hands.Its a fixable issue.Maybe some sessions with Dhoni or Kirmani can help
 
If he keeps dropping catches then there's no advantages having five bowlers.. and Jadeja was selected bcs he can bat..

Ofcourse there is.Both are mutually exclusive.

Jadeja can't bat higher than 7.So for him to play we needed a WK bat not pure WK like Saha who's a horrible bat
 
Thanks for this post man, wow Butler and Rizwan did damn good with gloves. Pak is lucky having someone like him.

Lol our slips more than make up for the good record our keepers have had
 
Ofcourse there is.Both are mutually exclusive.

Jadeja can't bat higher than 7.So for him to play we needed a WK bat not pure WK like Saha who's a horrible bat

Catches wins you the matches, that's what great players often says.. even today peoples here says Ashwin bowling is not same after Pant dropped on his bowling, so he directly affected Ashwin.. if your specialist bat can't do their job properly then you can't blame your keeper or AR..
 
I don't expect him to ever become a test-class wicketkeeper, let alone reach the level of MS Dhoni.

He has always been technically all over the place, and at this stage of his development it's improbable that he can improve significantly.

He should seriously have a word with Matthew Wade after this series on how to give up the gloves and focus solely on batting.
 
Pant has to score a ton at least in this test to pay for his sins.
 
Ofcourse there is.Both are mutually exclusive.

Jadeja can't bat higher than 7.So for him to play we needed a WK bat not pure WK like Saha who's a horrible bat

He has scored 5 50s and 3 100s in tests. He is an average batsman but not horrible. We should pick Saha for our home series currently. I don't think Ashwin and Jaddu would like to see Pant behind the wickets when they are bowling. :inti
 
He has scored 5 50s and 3 100s in tests. He is an average batsman but not horrible. We should pick Saha for our home series currently. I don't think Ashwin and Jaddu would like to see Pant behind the wickets when they are bowling. :inti

But that's not how you develop players.You can't have someone just playing overseas

Besides Saha is 36 and is gonna retire soon anyway.No point holding him
 
I don't expect him to ever become a test-class wicketkeeper, let alone reach the level of MS Dhoni.

He has always been technically all over the place, and at this stage of his development it's improbable that he can improve significantly.

He should seriously have a word with Matthew Wade after this series on how to give up the gloves and focus solely on batting.

Dhoni regularly used to watch the ball go when it was edged off pacers and wasnt straight to him.

And young Dhoni was even worse
 
Dhoni regularly used to watch the ball go when it was edged off pacers and wasnt straight to him.

And young Dhoni was even worse

Dhoni was always decent standing up to the spinners, and his goalkeeping days allowed him to be agile enough to improvise standing back. He was never as woeful nor as unfit as Pant, who hasn't improved at all since his debut.

As a batsman, Pant has a lot of potential and ability to have a long career, but he'll have to focus and specialize. Keeping is a cop out for him.
 
Pant has performances in previous tours behind him,what does Shaw have?

Besides Shaw is competing with many batsmen whereas Pant's alternative is an aging Saha

Dropping doesnt mean writing off.Shaw was rightly replaced with another youngster and can still come back once he corrects his technique

Pant's keeping needs to improve but bringing back Saha isn't a long term move.We also need to play 5 bowlers which is only possible with Pant

Dhoni was always decent standing up to the spinners, and his goalkeeping days allowed him to be agile enough to improvise standing back. He was never as woeful nor as unfit as Pant, who hasn't improved at all since his debut.

As a batsman, Pant has a lot of potential and ability to have a long career, but he'll have to focus and specialize. Keeping is a cop out for him.

I doubt he can survive in test cricket without keeping wickets. I mean guys like Yuvi, Rohit, Raina all of them struggled to play test cricket regularly for India. It will be very tough for him as a batsman alone. :inti
 
I doubt he can survive in test cricket without keeping wickets. I mean guys like Yuvi, Rohit, Raina all of them struggled to play test cricket regularly for India. It will be very tough for him as a batsman alone. :inti

Yes, it'll be tough. However, the selectors should eventually cotton on to him being a huge liability as a keeper. Maybe a future as a white ball specialist is more sustainable for him.
 
Dhoni was always decent standing up to the spinners, and his goalkeeping days allowed him to be agile enough to improvise standing back. He was never as woeful nor as unfit as Pant, who hasn't improved at all since his debut.

As a batsman, Pant has a lot of potential and ability to have a long career, but he'll have to focus and specialize. Keeping is a cop out for him.

Pant is very good keeper vs pacers already.Other day I was stat that catching % is 93.Thats good

Yes his keeping is shoddy vs spin but it can improve with time specially with a home seasonand some sessions with Dhoni/Kirmani

Saha is 36 and will retire and we'll need a keeper anyway.Rahul is injured all the time. Samson and Kishan arent any better keepers on current evidence.Samson doesn't even keep for Kerala

So I'm hoping Pant improves keeping,if he doesnt we'll be back to Parthiv/Ratra days.If he does ,great as hes already started well with bat
 
Pant is very good keeper vs pacers already.Other day I was stat that catching % is 93.Thats good

Yes his keeping is shoddy vs spin but it can improve with time specially with a home seasonand some sessions with Dhoni/Kirmani

Saha is 36 and will retire and we'll need a keeper anyway.Rahul is injured all the time. Samson and Kishan arent any better keepers on current evidence.Samson doesn't even keep for Kerala

So I'm hoping Pant improves keeping,if he doesnt we'll be back to Parthiv/Ratra days.If he does ,great as hes already started well with bat

He has to do it quickly because Parthiv Patel of all people is finding technical deficiencies in his keeping. :inti

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...s-wicket-keeping-amid-rising-criticism/704423
 
Pant is very good keeper vs pacers already.Other day I was stat that catching % is 93.Thats good

Yes his keeping is shoddy vs spin but it can improve with time specially with a home seasonand some sessions with Dhoni/Kirmani

Saha is 36 and will retire and we'll need a keeper anyway.Rahul is injured all the time. Samson and Kishan arent any better keepers on current evidence.Samson doesn't even keep for Kerala

So I'm hoping Pant improves keeping,if he doesnt we'll be back to Parthiv/Ratra days.If he does ,great as hes already started well with bat

Pant's keeping to the seamers is going to be exposed pretty badly in England this summer, unless he spends May and June foregoing the IPL and working day in day out on his keeping in the UK.

I don't know where India go from here though, I agree that Saha is close to the end and the likes of Samson and Kishan aren't close to test level yet. Surely there must be someone else in domestic cricket?
 
Pant is phenomenally talented and he will be India’s first choice WK across formats for 10+ years.

His keeping against spin will improve with time. All he needs is a full home season. He doesn’t have enough match experience of keeping on turning wickets against spinners of Ashwin and Jadeja’s caliber.

Dropping him for the 2018-19 series vs South Africa was a mistake by India.

Saha should have never played a Test ahead of him after Pant’s 100s in England and Australia in 2018.
 
Pant's keeping to the seamers is going to be exposed pretty badly in England this summer, unless he spends May and June foregoing the IPL and working day in day out on his keeping in the UK.

I don't know where India go from here though, I agree that Saha is close to the end and the likes of Samson and Kishan aren't close to test level yet. Surely there must be someone else in domestic cricket?

He was pretty safe during last Eng tour,don't remember Any drops,infact took some good ones.

As you said,there's no one else.So might as well give him a full home season.Can always sack him if he doesn't improve even then

There's nothing to be gained by retaining Saha now
 
Pant is phenomenally talented and he will be India’s first choice WK across formats for 10+ years.

His keeping against spin will improve with time. All he needs is a full home season. He doesn’t have enough match experience of keeping on turning wickets against spinners of Ashwin and Jadeja’s caliber.

Dropping him for the 2018-19 series vs South Africa was a mistake by India.

Saha should have never played a Test ahead of him after Pant’s 100s in England and Australia in 2018.

He's been handled badly so far

Hopefully plays the Eng series so we can assess better
 
I saw him in the U19 world cup and he looked a very good player in that tournament. Was timing the ball beautifully and bludgeoning the ball to all parts of the ground. Played two blistering knocks twice, hitting a century once and scored the fastest ever fifty in the U19 world cup in an another knock, both admittedly coming against weak oppositions.

Looks equally comfortable on both sides of the wicket and straight down the ground, times the ball beautifully and hits the ball a fair distance for his age. He looked a bit vulnerable against genuine fast bowling in the world cup but than can be improved. Otherwise he looks in complete ease against every other bowling. Think he'll be the mainstay of the Indian team in the near future playing as an opener.

Watch out for this youngsta beauty:akhtar


LOL I have seen saying it since his debut he is the worst wicket keeper I have seen, I am not sure why fans and pundits don't take Wicket keeping more seriously why does every team wants a Gilchrist but end up with Kamran Akmal. Indian should be more aware of this because Dhoni's keeping to spin was so important and made a huge difference not just his batting. I can't believe Pant did well with the gloves even in domestic cricket
 
Saha is history, no point investing there...


But Pant can't be future, if he keeps like that, he has zero chance of playing in India if he keeps like this against England..

Also he can't play as a specialist batsman for India
 
He has an experience of just 1 match in Australia and yes that is more than enough to drop him lol.

Pant can very well cost India this match if he continues to drop catches like this. I don't think Ashwin and Jaddu will feel confident with Pant behind the wicket. Hopefully he concentrates more on his keeping than the trash talk which he does behind the wickets. :inti

Shaw was replaced by Shubman not Pant. Pant replaced Saha who dint make 10 runs in 2 tests and also dropped catches. So his confidence was not great either and Pant was good in Melbourne with his wicket keeping. He has dropped catches here but can make up with his batting
 
Wicketkeeping is just like batting or bowling. If a new batsmen or bowler needs time to iron their deficiencies , it should be same for a wicketkeeper. With time Pant technique will get better and will be more effective
 
Wicketkeeping is just like batting or bowling. If a new batsmen or bowler needs time to iron their deficiencies , it should be same for a wicketkeeper. With time Pant technique will get better and will be more effective

That’s not how it works. If you’re at the international level you should be the complete product given maybe 1-2 minor areas to work on. Dropping dollies every game is a HUGE deficiency.

If what you’re saying is true then Kamran Akmal should’ve become the GOAT batsman and keeper but he only ended up as an ATG Pakistani batsman and a poor keeper.
 
That’s not how it works. If you’re at the international level you should be the complete product given maybe 1-2 minor areas to work on. Dropping dollies every game is a HUGE deficiency.

If what you’re saying is true then Kamran Akmal should’ve become the GOAT batsman and keeper but he only ended up as an ATG Pakistani batsman and a poor keeper.

You are wrong. That is exactly how it works when your 'laadla' and 'raj dulara' player is the one who is getting criticised for his poor performance. All sorts of excuses and logics make sense. Pant should be allowed to treat international cricket as a platform to improve his wicketkeeping for IPL. :inti
 
You are wrong. That is exactly how it works when your 'laadla' and 'raj dulara' player is the one who is getting criticised for his poor performance. All sorts of excuses and logics make sense. Pant should be allowed to treat international cricket as a platform to improve his wicketkeeping for IPL. :inti

Duuuude :inti

Who would you rather play ahead of Pant?

I mean, what are the options if he's allegedly so terrible.
 
Pant batted well. Disappointing performance from Vihari from a specialist batsman point of view as he averages less than 20 now in SENA.
 
Pant batted well and he was the difference between 160 and 240.

Obviously his keeping is not upto the mark against spinners but still i"ll take him ahead of a 36 years old guy who avgs 13 in SENA.
In home conditions i do agree that he will make a mess.

I was hoping that he will improve his keeping but the reverse happened, bcoz of fitness. In SENA i will still take him ahead of Saha.
 
Duuuude :inti

Who would you rather play ahead of Pant?

I mean, what are the options if he's allegedly so terrible.

I am basing my opinion on wicketkeeping. At the moment I will prefer Saha. I know he is an average batsman but he is currently 'andho mein kaana raja' as far as keeping is concerned. :inti
 
Pant batted well and he was the difference between 160 and 240.

Obviously his keeping is not upto the mark against spinners but still i"ll take him ahead of a 36 years old guy who avgs 13 in SENA.
In home conditions i do agree that he will make a mess.

I was hoping that he will improve his keeping but the reverse happened, bcoz of fitness. In SENA i will still take him ahead of Saha.

Good to see you accepting that. :inti
 
I am basing my opinion on wicketkeeping. At the moment I will prefer Saha. I know he is an average batsman but he is currently 'andho mein kaana raja' as far as keeping is concerned. :inti
Saha is a good keeper but i shudder to think what would have happened if he was playing at no. 6 instead of pant.
We could have been all out for 160
 
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