Rising crime in the UK

[shortbread]

The news lately paints a grim picture. The mainstream channels try and hide it in smaller reports, but evident elsewhere is stabbings, killing, acid attacks, moped thieves.......it literally looks like the wild west.

I work for one of the big 4 in Scotland and there was an UKwide mailer sent asking staff visiting London to take care of mobiles and PCs. The firm of course worried about their property more than the individuals. But this follows a spate of staff members having mobiles snatched of their hands.

I just wanted to know what it feels like for people there rather than perhaps glorified media news.

 

[Salman]

Yes street crime has definitely increased, moped gangs, pick pockets, gang related stabbings, not just in London but all major towns across the UK where there is a large immigrant population, at the moment roma gypsies, gangs of young immigrants from Africa and eastern european countries are the major culprits.

Police presence is also visibly reduced everywhere. Saying that, chances of being victim to any street crime is still very low if you are sensible and vigilant about how you get about.

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[shortbread]

Yes street crime has definitely increased, moped gangs, pick pockets, gang related stabbings, not just in London but all major towns across the UK where there is a large immigrant population, at the moment roma gypsies, gangs of young immigrants from Africa and eastern european countries are the major culprits.


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They maybe of African descent, but these youth are predominantly London born and bred.....they are British and no point in marginalising them as immigrants.

Even the celebs aren't spared, last week it was Benedict Cumerbatch and yesterday it was Michael McIntyre. At least equality prevails in some form or the other.

The soft target now is Sadiq Khan and the finger pointing is aimed at him.

 

[Salman]

They maybe of African descent, but these youth are predominantly London born and bred.....they are British and no point in marginalising them as immigrants.
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I disagree to some extent, regarding the black youths involved in the moped gangs, drugs and stabbings, many are from either 1st generation immigrant families or arrived here at a young age in the late 90's or early 00's from places like Somalia, Nigeria, Eritrea, Kenya etc, they have been brought up in deprived council estates or sheltered housing with no personal development skills, lack of opportunities and a benefit system that promotes breadline lethargy and petty crime.

The eastern european and roma gypsies influx involved in the begging, burglaries, pick pocketing are definitely immigrants who have come into the UK within the last 5 years or so with very little interest in bettering themselves and their communities, the roma gypsies specially are just **** who are here to steal, steal, steal nothing else.

Can't blame Sadiq Khan, he is just a puppet with little power in the grand scheme of things.

 

[PetroDollars]

never seen anything and i travel from south to east everyday.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

never seen anything and i travel from south to east everyday.

The police released a statement this week saying that most London crime was inter-gang related and the general public weren't really at risk. How much truth in that I don't know as I don't live in London.

 

[saeedhk]

A British work-colleague of mine dislikes the U.K. due to its high rate of crime. He said that in Hong Kong he can go out at any time of the night and not worry about being robbed or stabbed. He can’t do that back home.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

A British work-colleague of mine dislikes the U.K. due to its high rate of crime. He said that in Hong Kong he can go out at any time of the night and not worry about being robbed or stabbed. He can’t do that back home.

Hong Kong itself is only a success because of it's history as British colony. Had it been left to it's own devices it would probably have just been a faceless province of China.

 

[Bosanquet]

The news lately paints a grim picture. The mainstream channels try and hide it in smaller reports, but evident elsewhere is stabbings, killing, acid attacks, moped thieves.......it literally looks like the wild west.

I work for one of the big 4 in Scotland and there was an UKwide mailer sent asking staff visiting London to take care of mobiles and PCs. The firm of course worried about their property more than the individuals. But this follows a spate of staff members having mobiles snatched of their hands.

I just wanted to know what it feels like for people there rather than perhaps glorified media news.

Having lived in london for 26 years - including 15 in the "lawless" inner-city southern boroughs of Southwark & Lewisham, I can confidently state that the press are having a great time playing up this "tidal wave" of crime.

Meanwhile our lives go on just the same. Still go to work, stay late, walk across a park to the station after dark, go to pubs, clubs, cinemas, theatres etc leaving however late. Keep my eyes open & feel perfectly at ease.

The only time that either my wife, myself or our son felt a little fragile was after the tube & bus bombings a decade ago. Have to admit that I was covertly scrutinising rucksacks carried by young men for a few months after that.

So , disappointingly for you all - nothing has changed. It was ever thus. The situation seems far more alarming to the outsiders than the natives.

 

[shortbread]

Having lived in london for 26 years - including 15 in the "lawless" inner-city southern boroughs of Southwark & Lewisham, I can confidently state that the press are having a great time playing up this "tidal wave" of crime........

So , disappointingly for you all - nothing has changed. It was ever thus. The situation seems far more alarming to the outsiders than the natives.

True, going by the reports in the media it paints a very grim picture. Glad to know you see nothing like that for real.

 

[IMMY69]

A British work-colleague of mine dislikes the U.K. due to its high rate of crime. He said that in Hong Kong he can go out at any time of the night and not worry about being robbed or stabbed. He can’t do that back home.

Hong Kong is one of my favorite cities and I'm fortunate to have spent a lot of time there.
I live in London, its also one of my favorite cities if not the most favorite city. I travel all around London, South, east, west and live in North. Touch wood I have never felt unsafe, even staggering out of a club in the middle of the night.

Not to say that there isn't any crime. Of course there is. But it's not nearly as bad as made out to be in the press and I don't feel any less safe in London then when I was in Hong Kong.

 

[Salman]

So, disappointingly for you all - nothing has changed. It was ever thus. The situation seems far more alarming to the outsiders than the natives.

This time the media is doing the right thing by highlighting it, there is definitely a growing stabbing epidemic where i live in Luton omoungst the teenagers, it has become really bad in the last 12 months and i'm sure it stretches beyond greater London.

A local Luton crime prevention facebook group was setup about a year ago has postings about stabbings on a weekly basis now, at least 3 teenagers have died from stabbings in the last few months in Luton alone. One of these happened down my road from me in daylight, a young lad was stabbed to death by 4 local black teenagers who were arrested the next day and i live in a relatively safe residential part of Luton away from the town center.

 

[Bosanquet]

True, going by the reports in the media it paints a very grim picture. Glad to know you see nothing like that for real.

The press were bad enough. But Mr Trump was worse - talking about london hospitals looking like war zones etc. Naturally the hate-mongering alt-right websites immediately blamed it on Sadiq Khan - said he cut police funding.

 

[Bosanquet]

This time the media is doing the right thing by highlighting it, there is definitely a growing stabbing epidemic where i live in Luton omoungst the teenagers, it has become really bad in the last 12 months and i'm sure it stretches beyond greater London.

A local Luton crime prevention facebook group was setup about a year ago has postings about stabbings on a weekly basis now, at least 3 teenagers have died from stabbings in the last few months in Luton alone. One of these happened down my road from me in daylight, a young lad was stabbed to death by 4 local black teenagers who were arrested the next day and i live in a relatively safe residential part of Luton away from the town center.

Whenever the press focus on one aspect of crime - it seems like a new phenomenon. Do you have year-on-year data to demonstrate that the current wave is significantly outside the normal range?
We appeared to have had such a "tsunami" in Jan- Feb when the murder rate in London exceeded New York. The press really went into hysterics, including even the broadsheets. Apocalypse Now!! All settled down and I am sure that when the numbers are fully totted up at the end of the year, we will be back to usual and that 2 month stretch will have been no more than a temporary statistical incongruity.
Oh and I live in a (statistically) "more violent" part of london. Doesn't feel any different this year.

 

[shortbread]

Naturally the hate-mongering alt-right websites immediately blamed it on Sadiq Khan - said he cut police funding.

Yup, Sadiq is a soft target. But he has answers and plans in his mind rather than seem lost when questions are put across to him.

 

[Bosanquet]

Yup, Sadiq is a soft target. But he has answers and plans in his mind rather than seem lost when questions are put across to him.

Sadiq Khan is the finest mayor we have had.
My wife and I both campaigned for him during the mayoral election.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Hong Kong is one of my favorite cities and I'm fortunate to have spent a lot of time there.
I live in London, its also one of my favorite cities if not the most favorite city. I travel all around London, South, east, west and live in North. Touch wood I have never felt unsafe, even staggering out of a club in the middle of the night.

Not to say that there isn't any crime. Of course there is. But it's not nearly as bad as made out to be in the press and I don't feel any less safe in London then when I was in Hong Kong.

We might need to do a thread on Hong Kong and the reasons for it's success. I say this only because there is one poster here who regularly uses the place to post derogatory comments on other countries. Not that there is anything wrong with that assuming there is a model which we can learn from.

 

[shaz619]

All the imbecilles from Watford are to blame for causing trouble in London, always dealing drugs and wielding knives like the cowards they are. The ones who make it out alternate between roles which involve being an uncle tom and other times a black supremacist

 

[KingKhanWC]

Most of the serious crimes such as shootings or stabbings which kill people are gang related.

London is a very big city so crime numbers will look higher but it's a safe place where millions of tourists, many who can't speak the language visit yearly and have no issues.

 

[KingKhanWC]

All the imbecilles from Watford are to blame for causing trouble in London, always dealing drugs and wielding knives like the cowards they are. The ones who make it out alternate between roles which involve being an uncle tom and other times a black supremacist

I'm sure it's a coincidence but isn't Anthony Joshua from Watford?

 

[IMMY69]

Bump..

I must admit i’m now a little concerned about the moped robberies.
Not for myself but for my teenage daughter who drives around everywhere.

The moped hijack in Edgware and Golders Green were close to home but I thought just an aberration.
Today I find out that an attack took place at Henly’s corner in Finchley.

That’s three attacks in almost the same number of days and all within a few miles radius.

 

[IMMY69]

We might need to do a thread on Hong Kong and the reasons for it's success. I say this only because there is one poster here who regularly uses the place to post derogatory comments on other countries. Not that there is anything wrong with that assuming there is a model which we can learn from.

Happy to share my experiences.
The good and the bad.

 

[shaz619]

I'm sure it's a coincidence but isn't Anthony Joshua from Watford?

Oh my oh my : that can't be true! Anthony Joshua is a very humble young man and a role model for all of us in the UK

 

[KingKhanWC]

Bump..

I must admit i’m now a little concerned about the moped robberies.
Not for myself but for my teenage daughter who drives around everywhere.

The moped hijack in Edgware and Golders Green were close to home but I thought just an aberration.
Today I find out that an attack took place at Henly’s corner in Finchley.

That’s three attacks in almost the same number of days and all within a few miles radius.

Hope you're daughter stays safe bro.

If she has a nice car, it's best to keep the windows up even in the warm weather and doors locked. But as I said earlier London is a big city and most crimes are pre-planned such as robberies. Rarely will anyone try to mug someone in broad daylight amongst people.

However there was a shocking road rage incident in the news recently.

 

[shortbread]

While crime is prevalent in all large cities the world over, what is shocking the sheer violence the London criminals resort to nowadays. These may be sporadic incidents and not affect day to day lives, but these criminals have no qualms in causing serious harm to random people. Gang violence is understandable, but targeting lone women, OAPs, parents with kids .........simply merciless!

90 year old woman beaten in her bed
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-44410824

100 year old killed
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-44395462

More shootings
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...uggings-mopeds-gangs-sadiq-khan-a8388551.html

As Sadiq Khan mentioned the Conservatives cannot afford to cut policing in London. I think this is a conspiracy to undermine Sadiq Khan the mayor. A lot of this can be resolved by investing the resources and money needed by the Met Police.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Could be that London police had a relatively hands off approach to gang violence in the inner cities as long as it didn't affect the general population - think of Baltimore in The Wire. Maybe now it is spilling into mainstream areas more it is being brought to attention more.

 

[Salman]

Stop and Search needs to be enforced again on a grand scale, was a pretty good deterrent when i was growing up to not be carry something you shouldn't be.

 

[shortbread]

Stop and Search needs to be enforced again on a grand scale, was a pretty good deterrent when i was growing up to not be carry something you shouldn't be.

Police do not have the manpower to enforce that now.

 

[Syed1]

Maybe see what is causing this crime, perhaps the system is designed for a certain race of people while the rest of the races are marginalized either intentionally or unintentionally and this is leading to a sense of deprivation and they are getting left behind - which eventually leads to such petty crimes.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Maybe see what is causing this crime, perhaps the system is designed for a certain race of people while the rest of the races are marginalized either intentionally or unintentionally and this is leading to a sense of deprivation and they are getting left behind - which eventually leads to such petty crimes.

These thieves can afford mopeds it seems, can't be that deprived. Those things cost money to buy and petrol isn't cheap either.

 

[CricketCartoons]

These thieves can afford mopeds it seems, can't be that deprived. Those things cost money to buy and petrol isn't cheap either.

I think he has a good point. Those criminals must be victims of institutional racism which has forced them to take up crime. UK must provide more money to those who are left behind so that they don't become criminals.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I think he has a good point. Those criminals must be victims of institutional racism which has forced them to take up crime. UK must provide more money to those who are left behind so that they don't become criminals.

That might be a good policy for every country which has crime, wonder why no one has thought of it before?

 

[Jabo]

it probably is quite bad

because crime pays

no harsh sentences being given
far too lenient

 

[Jabo]

They maybe of African descent, but these youth are predominantly London born and bred.....they are British and no point in marginalising them as immigrants.

Even the celebs aren't spared, last week it was Benedict Cumerbatch and yesterday it was Michael McIntyre. At least equality prevails in some form or the other.

The soft target now is Sadiq Khan and the finger pointing is aimed at him.

well Sadiq is too busy going after diesel vehicles in the city

far more deadlier ($$$)
looking forward to the day that the weasel disappears

 

[PakLFC]

It is like any major city in the world. Gang culture is everywhere with different people fighting for money, property, land and even women. Lots of unemployment and illegal migrants creates further tension. Here the media can not blame Muslim's for everything even though they would love to. Hyde park speakers corner is always a fun place to be when Muslim's and Christian's debate each other Lots of places to see and visit, great shopping and entertainment as well. Opportunity awaits for those with idea's and talent.

 

[Bosanquet]

These thieves can afford mopeds it seems, can't be that deprived. Those things cost money to buy and petrol isn't cheap either.

Most of these mopeds appear to have been stolen from their owners before being used for the crimes.

 

[shortbread]

They're even targeting lone mothers in broad daylight! Not very scared of the authorities are they?

https://news.sky.com/story/amanda-h...oped-gang-who-attempted-to-rob-woman-11417436

 

[Saj]

Knife crime is becoming a major problem and it seems to be getting worse with each passing day.

 

[Minnowbasher]

There's knife crime in every big city in the UK. Particularly London and Birmingham. Even here in Manchester there is a lot of crime.

 

[Napa]

We might need to do a thread on Hong Kong and the reasons for it's success. I say this only because there is one poster here who regularly uses the place to post derogatory comments on other countries. Not that there is anything wrong with that assuming there is a model which we can learn from.

Aren't you the guy who regularly posts that the South Asians can learn from the "we British" how to be civilized? I seem to remember a recent post lamenting how the British were kicked out of India before they finished their civilizing mission.

I travel everywhere in Delhi and Bengaluru without fear of being knifed. There may be an odd incident, but statistically speaking it is a lot safer it appears than London.

 

[shortbread]

This has been raised on 'Question Time' on multiple occasions, and from the jist one can see the political establishment have no real will to tackle this. They don't really care tbh!

The Tories ensure the elite/predominantly white boroughs of London are safe and in the meanwhile put the blame of the rising crime at Sadiq Khan's foot. The Labour leadership who are not really fond of SK are busy blaming funding cuts. All this finger pointing is simply background noise during the Brexit fiasco, so who cares?!

Crime, Robbery, Stabbings are slowly being pushed to page 2-3 news despite the rising statistics. One gets a feeling for the youngsters involved, this is becoming a reliable source of status and income and no-more one off incidents. I live in Scotland and am fairly insulated from all this and am quite hopeful that the trend will not catch onto the far reaching pockets of UK.

What will be scary is that if this becomes the new norm in middle Britain, as people become numb about crime.

 

[Saj]

Metropolitan Police says four men aged in their 20s have been found with stab wounds in Edmonton in north London.

 

[gazza619]

Metropolitan Police says four men aged in their 20s have been found with stab wounds in Edmonton in north London.

North London has gone from bad to worse. But the strange thing is that it is still damn expensive to rent or buy a property there.

 

[shortbread]

Metropolitan Police says four men aged in their 20s have been found with stab wounds in Edmonton in north London.

Seems to be a retaliation

Four men in their 20s have been stabbed in north London just 24 hours after a triple shooting in the same borough.

Two cars that had been involved in a collision were also found at the scene.

"It is very early in the investigation but it believed to be linked to the shooting last night," said a police spokesperson.

“A crime scene has been put in place and Fraser Road has been closed. No arrests have been made.”

The incident took place after three men were shot half a mile away in Gordon Road, off Bounces Road, at 6pm on Saturday.

In that attack a 16-year-old boy and two 22-year-old men were injured when a shotgun was fired into the rear of a minicab.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...h-london-edmonton-police-latest-a8640291.html

Keep at this rate and a few years down the line, we'll have Narcos 8 set in London!

 

[Devilsadvokat]

My pet hypothesis on the crime in London is that it is going thru what American cities have been through, so gonna get worse before it gets better.

 

[shortbread]

Lol....literally

LONDON'S lead commander of the Metropolitan Police's Violent Crime Task Force stunned LBC host Nick Ferrari when he underestimated the number of murders that had actually taken place in the capital this year.

London's Violent Crime police chief did not know the number of murders that had taken place in the capital this year, to the bewilderment of LBC host Nick Ferrari. Amid a surging crime rate in London, Chief Superintendent Ade Adelekan struggled to respond when Ferrari challenged him on the statistics of murders in the city. The radio host was shocked by the response, suggesting that violence in the capital was spiralling out of control and officers were struggling to keep up.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...ndon-Violent-Crime-Sadiq-Khan-murders-Ferrari

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Aren't you the guy who regularly posts that the South Asians can learn from the "we British" how to be civilized? I seem to remember a recent post lamenting how the British were kicked out of India before they finished their civilizing mission.

I travel everywhere in Delhi and Bengaluru without fear of being knifed. There may be an odd incident, but statistically speaking it is a lot safer it appears than London.

London is a huge metropolis, the larger the economy, the more crime you will get. The two most civilised and dynamic countries in the world would be Britain and the USA, and they also attract the crime due to the open and creative nature of the societies cultivated.

Yes of course Britain could go back to what it was in the 50's and 60's, it was a sleepier and less developed place which you could perhaps compare to Delhi and Bengaluru today. In many ways life might have been superior back then, but we would also be a third world country now if we stood still.

 

[Napa]

London is a huge metropolis, the larger the economy, the more crime you will get.

The population of Delhi far exceeds that of London, and Karachi is not far behind.

https://www.google.com/search?ei=LE...299j33i160j0i8i13i30j0i13i30j0i67.xEHD06TZuwM

https://www.google.com/search?ei=F0...2......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71.K3Wi7EOMoPA

https://www.google.com/search?q=kar...1.69i57j0l5.4697j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

As for larger economy equalling more crime, I suppose Haiti and Zimbabwe are the safest places in the world.

The two most civilised and dynamic countries in the world would be Britain and the USA, and they also attract the crime due to the open and creative nature of the societies cultivated.

Basically Britain is most civilized and also more crime ridden. You have a very strange understanding of what it means to be civilized.

Yes of course Britain could go back to what it was in the 50's and 60's, it was a sleepier and less developed place which you could perhaps compare to Delhi and Bengaluru today. In many ways life might have been superior back then, but we would also be a third world country now if we stood still.

The fact that you think Delhi and Bengaluru are sleepy shows just how ignorant you are of the real world. It is fun to see the mental contortions you perform to keep preaching to the unwashed South Asian masses how superior and civilized the "we British" are.
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[Cpt. Rishwat]

The population of Delhi far exceeds that of London, and Karachi is not far behind.

https://www.google.com/search?ei=LE...299j33i160j0i8i13i30j0i13i30j0i67.xEHD06TZuwM

https://www.google.com/search?ei=F0...2......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71.K3Wi7EOMoPA

https://www.google.com/search?q=kar...1.69i57j0l5.4697j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

As for larger economy equalling more crime, I suppose Haiti and Zimbabwe are the safest places in the world.



Basically Britain is most civilized and also more crime ridden. You have a very strange understanding of what it means to be civilized.



The fact that you think Delhi and Bengaluru are sleepy shows just how ignorant you are of the real world. It is fun to see the mental contortions you perform to keep preaching to the unwashed South Asian masses how superior and civilized the "we British" are.
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Civilised behaviour isn't just about hygiene, although that is certainly a factor. It is about tolerance of different beliefs, rights of minorities and respect of women. This is where London, and Britain in general is far ahead of the subcontinent, and why the multitudes flock here to live in freedom and multicultural harmony.

 

[IMMY69]

A lot of the blame is down to austerity.
The police are very poorly funded with certain London boroughs struggling to deploy officers due to the lack of funding.

Smaller crimes cannot be investigated as the force just doesn't have enough resources.

Where I live you just don't see enough policemen on the roads. You can go days on a busy high street in North London without seeing a single officer on the beat.

 

[shortbread]

Basically Britain is most civilized and also more crime ridden. You have a very strange understanding of what it means to be civilized.

Firstly, Britain is'nt simply made up of London. Travel to the corners of this nation and one would come across the most helpful and 'civilised' people on earth. Moving from Edinburgh to the NE of Scotland the people I have come across have been amazing. Post the IRA episodes of yore, UK has been among the most peaceful and safest countries in the world, and still is.

Secondly, the issue is recent and has no roots in old London. This did not come about due to a lack of 'civility' among the British but was one passed on from migrant populations and their offsprings.

Finally, the thread is simply highlighting the issue of rising crime in London. No one is setting this as a benchmark for other countries to follow or overtake.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

There is another elephant in another room, one needs to look at who commits and who mostly die in the capital, hence it has to follow the experience of major US cities.

 

[Napa]

Secondly, the issue is recent and has no roots in old London. This did not come about due to a lack of 'civility' among the British but was one passed on from migrant populations and their offsprings.

I very well understand that the British are not behind the rising crime in Britain but it is the migrant population. You however missed the context of my post. I was calling out a poster from the migrant population saying "we British" and lecturing people back in South Asia about how the British (including him) would have "civilized" South Asia if they had not been kicked out. I pointed out that the British rule was horrendous with famines that killed millions, but of course there was no reply.

 

[Napa]

Civilised behaviour isn't just about hygiene, although that is certainly a factor. It is about tolerance of different beliefs, rights of minorities and respect of women. This is where London, and Britain in general is far ahead of the subcontinent, and why the multitudes flock here to live in freedom and multicultural harmony.

Dude, a bit more humility will serve you better when your model country is experiencing a crime wave.

As far as I can remember, the British rule that you said would have "civilized" South Asia was the cause of famines in which millions of South Asians died.

Also, if you are ethnically South Asian, do stop this ridiculous behavior of telling other South Asians how the British rule would have "civilized" them. You give the impression of desperately trying to belong.

 

[shortbread]

A lot of the blame is down to austerity.
The police are very poorly funded with certain London boroughs struggling to deploy officers due to the lack of funding.

Smaller crimes cannot be investigated as the force just doesn't have enough resources.

Where I live you just don't see enough policemen on the roads. You can go days on a busy high street in North London without seeing a single officer on the beat.

I think it's simplistic to expect that increased police numbers or relentless stop and searches will resolve this issue. It might show some immediate decline but that might be temporary. The issue in London is more deep rooted and social than simply a crime wave.

Why are youths involved in such activities in the same city that employs the largest number of people in the entire country? What makes people from all over the world come to London and find success while these youngsters keep complaining about lack of opportunities?

This was a recent event where police officers were present and tried to make an arrest. They were simply attacked by other offenders while the public watched in shock. The policewoman was kicked and almost fell underneath a running bus, fortunately the driver braked in time and then just drove by.

https://news.sky.com/story/police-officer-karate-kicked-in-violent-attack-on-london-street-11557984

Chairman of the Metropolitan Police Federation Ken Marsh said police could start letting violent suspects go if the risk is too high.

He said: "Are we now in a society where, if we think we can't detain somebody, we just let them go? It's just not worth it.

"We're going to come to a point where we're going to start pushing messages out to our colleagues: 'Risk-assess it dynamically and, if you think you can't detain a person, just let them go.'

The police alone cannot resolve this.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Dude, a bit more humility will serve you better when your model country is experiencing a crime wave.

As far as I can remember, the British rule that you said would have "civilized" South Asia was the cause of famines in which millions of South Asians died.

Also, if you are ethnically South Asian, do stop this ridiculous behavior of telling other South Asians how the British rule would have "civilized" them. You give the impression of desperately trying to belong.

You are talking about the British hundreds of years ago, I thought the discussion was about present times. Modern cutting edge nations all have an increase in crime which goes along with that, when we are talking about civilised, these nations have rights for minorities, respect for women, and a misplaced or ill-advised tweet or facebook post won't set of riots like they will in the subcontinent.

Why wouldn't I belong by the way? What is desperate about pointing out what is blindingly obvious?

 

[the Great Khan]

Firstly, Britain is'nt simply made up of London. Travel to the corners of this nation and one would come across the most helpful and 'civilised' people on earth. Moving from Edinburgh to the NE of Scotland the people I have come across have been amazing. Post the IRA episodes of yore, UK has been among the most peaceful and safest countries in the world, and still is.

Secondly, the issue is recent and has no roots in old London. This did not come about due to a lack of 'civility' among the British but was one passed on from migrant populations and their offsprings.

Finally, the thread is simply highlighting the issue of rising crime in London. No one is setting this as a benchmark for other countries to follow or overtake.

Thats a racist remark and should be removed from your post. This is not what is happening.

 

[shortbread]

Thats a racist remark and should be removed from your post.

I have not picked out on any race in particular, therefore disagree.

This is not what is happening.

Ok I could be incorrect, but please do share your thoughts.

 

[Napa]

You are talking about the British hundreds of years ago, I thought the discussion was about present times. Modern cutting edge nations all have an increase in crime which goes along with that, when we are talking about civilised, these nations have rights for minorities, respect for women, and a misplaced or ill-advised tweet or facebook post won't set of riots like they will in the subcontinent.

Why wouldn't I belong by the way? What is desperate about pointing out what is blindingly obvious?

You have an astounding lack of knowledge of history, which doesn't in any way impair you from passing judgement. It was not the "British hundreds of years ago", it was 1942 that the Bengal Famine occurred.

Either British are all those who have British ethnically British, in which case you are not. Or British are all those with British citizenship, in which the knifers, the muggers and the thugs responsible for the crime wave are also British and in no position to lecturing anyone about civilization. You are trying to have it both ways.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You have an astounding lack of knowledge of history, which doesn't in any way impair you from passing judgement. It was not the "British hundreds of years ago", it was 1942 that the Bengal Famine occurred.

Either British are all those who have British ethnically British, in which case you are not. Or British are all those with British citizenship, in which the knifers, the muggers and the thugs responsible for the crime wave are also British and in no position to lecturing anyone about civilization. You are trying to have it both ways.

British citizenship can include foreigners born and raised abroad who have not inculcated the true essence of British culture and civilisation. Those of us who have been born and brought up here midst the gentle clang of church bells and treading lightly on the dew of the morning grass are of sons of this green and pleasant land. Of course you would have no idea since you are an Indian at home, or an immigrant yourself in whatever foreign land you reside in.

 

[Napa]

British citizenship can include foreigners born and raised abroad who have not inculcated the true essence of British culture and civilisation. <b>Those of us who have been born and brought up here midst the gentle clang of church bells and treading lightly on the dew of the morning grass are of sons of this green and pleasant land.</b> Of course you would have no idea since you are an Indian at home, or an immigrant yourself in whatever foreign land you reside in.

You are either even more delusional than I thought you were, or you are trying some deep humor which isn't working. I have too much other stuff in real life to attend to, to figure out which is the case.

Btw, I am a citizen of the world. I have the ability to read books and the intelligence to understand cultures without needing to have lived in them, which makes me able to understand cultures from different lands and different ages instead of just the one I grew up in.

 

[Tusker]

Civilised behaviour isn't just about hygiene, although that is certainly a factor. It is about tolerance of different beliefs, rights of minorities and respect of women. This is where London, and Britain in general is far ahead of the subcontinent, and why the multitudes flock here to live in freedom and multicultural harmony.

Dude, a bit more humility will serve you better when your model country is experiencing a crime wave.

As far as I can remember, the British rule that you said would have "civilized" South Asia was the cause of famines in which millions of South Asians died.

Also, if you are ethnically South Asian, do stop this ridiculous behavior of telling other South Asians how the British rule would have "civilized" them. You give the impression of desperately trying to belong.

Spot on. A country that can be easily identified as the root cause of soo many damning and shocking atrocities the after effects of which will hurt for centuries. If I were a Brit I wouldn't go around claiming moral high ground on the topic of civilization. Instead I wouldn't touch that topic with a 10 foot pole. But then this is Captain Bribe we are talking about !

 

[Tusker]

Civilised behaviour isn't just about hygiene, although that is certainly a factor. It is about tolerance of different beliefs, rights of minorities and respect of women. This is where London, and Britain in general is far ahead of the subcontinent, and why the multitudes flock here to live in freedom and multicultural harmony.

Arent you forgetting other key ingredients ? Looting, stealing, pillage, slavery etc etc.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

Arent you forgetting other key ingredients ? Looting, stealing, pillage, slavery etc etc.

This. I have mentioned it previously, the British are only civilised now, only wait their turn in a line now, they ran rampage thru the world, for sure that was partly due to France, Spain and other European countries trying to do the same, just that the British did it best.

They were on the rise and atop then, now they are in decline, we will see how long the civility reigns.

 

[the Great Khan]

I have not picked out on any race in particular, therefore disagree.



Ok I could be incorrect, but please do share your thoughts.

You have clearly emphasised that somehow immigrants are the cause of the knife crime. According to equalities legisltation in the UK that is discriminatory and "racist". I suggest you aplogise and retract that comment.

as for crime and knife crime. That is a product of ten years of austerity. It is a complex issue that has been created by the current govt due to its policies.

 

[shortbread]

You have clearly emphasised that somehow immigrants are the cause of the knife crime. According to equalities legisltation in the UK that is discriminatory and "racist". I suggest you aplogise and retract that comment.

I disagree again and the statement is clearly not discriminatory.

Discrimination can come in one of the following forms:

harassment - unwanted behaviour linked to a protected characteristic that violates someone’s dignity or creates an offensive environment for them

Harassment is unlawful under the Equality Act if it’s because of or connected to one of these things:

age
disability
gender reassignment
marriage and civil partnership
pregnancy and maternity
race
religion or belief
sex
sexual orientation

The Equality Act calls these things protected characteristics. Harassment because of one of these characteristics is called harassment related to a protected characteristic.

https://www.gov.uk/discrimination-your-rights/how-you-can-be-discriminated-against

 

[Devilsadvokat]

as for crime and knife crime. That is a product of ten years of austerity. It is a complex issue that has been created by the current govt due to its policies.

Seriously? Evidence? When I don't have money I can't help but carry a knife around.

 

[the Great Khan]

I disagree again and the statement is clearly not discriminatory.



https://www.gov.uk/discrimination-your-rights/how-you-can-be-discriminated-against

try using that language in a work environment. It is classed as a protected characteristic because you are implying its because the individual are immigrants thus focusing on their difference. I bet if you were a manager and made a remark like this you would think it was clever until your employee raised a grievance against you. Try it sometime and see how it turns out.

 

[the Great Khan]

Seriously? Evidence? When I don't have money I can't help but carry a knife around.

yay lo: https://www.ft.com/content/0a4166b8-e8ef-11e8-a34c-663b3f553b35

 

[the Great Khan]

Peter Neyroud, former chief constable of Thames Valley Police and now a criminology lecturer at Cambridge university, is clear about why violence is rising. “What you’re seeing here is the effects of austerity — the chickens are coming home to roost,” he said. “There have been cuts in police, as well as all the protective interventions . . . early years funding, social support for teenagers, help for those with special educational needs.”

regards or do you want more??? or do you think a chief constable doesnt know what he's talking about??

 

[IMMY69]

regards or do you want more??? or do you think a chief constable doesnt know what he's talking about??

Sometimes you can tell a discussion is only going to go one way that's why I didn't even bother replying to him.

Give up while you're ahead which is pretty much after your first post on this thread.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

regards or do you want more??? or do you think a chief constable doesnt know what he's talking about??

Of course as a chief constable he is gonna say it is austerity. He has has a vested interest in saying so. If he doesn't say it, it's be like lambs and sheep voting for Eid ul Adha.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Of course as a chief constable he is gonna say it is austerity. He has has a vested interest in saying so. If he doesn't say it, it's be like lambs and sheep voting for Eid ul Adha.

But aren't you the one who has been arguing that the reputation of the British as civilised and genteel is a myth, and given more poverty and the removal of the welfare system we would soon find out all that civility and law and order go out the window?

 

[Devilsadvokat]

But aren't you the one who has been arguing that the reputation of the British as civilised and genteel is a myth, and given more poverty and the removal of the welfare system we would soon find out all that civility and law and order go out the window?

Jummah Mubarak Cap E Tan - Are they the same type of people? You know the maurauders of the British Empire and those taking part in the current murders?

Of course, austerity plays a part but way way way less than what the Chief Constable is making out.

I mentioned decline, not poverty and removal of welfare system, they are not related.

Off to read Jummah? Or are you a non-practising Muslim?

 

[shortbread]

try using that language in a work environment. It is classed as a protected characteristic because you are implying its because the individual are immigrants thus focusing on their difference. I bet if you were a manager and made a remark like this you would think it was clever until your employee raised a grievance against you. Try it sometime and see how it turns out.

Migrant is not an offensive word and migration is a worldwide phenomenon. No race or people with protected characteristics are 'implied' upon.

Re: Austerity

Austerity is happening around the country but the sudden spike in crime seems to be primarily a London phenomenon?

The city with the UK's largest spending outlay is London, it is also the business and financial capital of the country. There are more job opportunities in London than any other part of Britain. Plan a last minute trip to London and if your unfortunate to be put up in a Travelodge or Premier Inn, they are filled with builders who have come in from all over. There is plenty of work going about and the economy is still doing well.

With so much opportunity in London why point fingers at austerity? I totally get it that Universal credit has made conditions challenging for the old, vulnerable, handicapped etc. But they are'nt the ones causing issues. The Met Police have asked for more funding and this is understandable. It has made it more difficult to tackle and punish criminals. But what exactly is causing the rise in crime in the first place?

Moped thefts, sword wielding youths, acid attacks....... I find it difficult to accept austerity as the reason for the rise in such violence.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

Moped thefts, sword wielding youths, acid attacks....... I find it difficult to accept austerity as the reason for the rise in such violence.

I suspect it will get better, London will follow the same arc as some major American cities.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

and given more poverty and the removal of the welfare system we would soon find out all that civility and law and order go out the window?

They say anarchy would reign if society was denied four meals on the trot, I think I read that somewhere, that is different to decline.

 

[the Great Khan]

Migrant is not an offensive word and migration is a worldwide phenomenon. No race or people with protected characteristics are 'implied' upon.

Re: Austerity

Austerity is happening around the country but the sudden spike in crime seems to be primarily a London phenomenon?

The city with the UK's largest spending outlay is London, it is also the business and financial capital of the country. There are more job opportunities in London than any other part of Britain. Plan a last minute trip to London and if your unfortunate to be put up in a Travelodge or Premier Inn, they are filled with builders who have come in from all over. There is plenty of work going about and the economy is still doing well.

With so much opportunity in London why point fingers at austerity? I totally get it that Universal credit has made conditions challenging for the old, vulnerable, handicapped etc. But they are'nt the ones causing issues. The Met Police have asked for more funding and this is understandable. It has made it more difficult to tackle and punish criminals. But what exactly is causing the rise in crime in the first place?

Moped thefts, sword wielding youths, acid attacks....... I find it difficult to accept austerity as the reason for the rise in such violence.

i dont care if "you" find it difficult to accept just becasue you met some builders in a travelodge. these are the facts. deal with it. Your clearly from a privileged background and have not really had to experience some of the things these guys have to.

There are less police on the streets, less resources to deal with organised crime, less resources to do community interventions, less money for youth services. All in the 5-6th richest country in the world. Crime is going up nationally! London being the financial ehart will see a spike but its going up everywhere. The less cops you have on the beat the more brazen the crooks get. Two tried to break into my neighbours house at 6 o clock in the evening!!! that is brazen! one of my work colleagues is a CPS and goes out with the police. They are doing way more than they can manage. Its getting worse day by day becasue the govt has an ideology it is obsessed with.

but it wont effect you becasue you probably live in a nice Indian origin family in a leafy suburb somewhere and will never have to go through the hardships that these young men face daily.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

They say anarchy would reign if society was denied four meals on the trot, I think I read that somewhere, that is different to decline.

So it seems we are in agreement, and reject shortbread's simplistic shifting of the blame to immigrant communities.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

So it seems we are in agreement, and reject shortbread's simplistic shifting of the blame to immigrant communities.

Que? No we are not. You say it's austerity I don't, I don't think the culprits are underfed.