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Riyaz Naikoo: Hizbul Mujahideen Kashmir militant killed by Indian forces

Kashmir is not the land for Muslims as many Muslims would like to believe. Its a land for people from every religion and they have all the rights to live there peacefully. No one can or should try to stop them.

No group wants to be made a minority in there own land. Everyone wants there culture to dominate. Do you think people in England or France or Japan would like it if they became a minority, even if the outsiders were living peacefully?

Kashmir has been Muslim majority for 600 years, and Kashmir have had a Persianized Muslim culture for the last 600 years, and the Kashmiris would like to keep it that way.

To make it simple they don't want a Hindu majority in the Valley. And while Kashmiris can have some of there culture be influenced by Hinduisim and Indian culture, they dont want to give up the parts of there culture that come from Islam, and Central Asian/Persian culture, and be assimilated into mainstream Indian Hindu culture.
 
Again I say referendum doesn't any sense to both for India & pakistan.

Let me give an example on why :

There is a place called Junaragh (princely state) , its's nawab, Muhammad Mahabat Khanji III decided to merge into Pakistan in 1947. But Junagarh is a place with hindu majority & with a muslim king/nawab (like opposite of kashmir)

India sent troops to annex junagarh and this nawab ran to pakistan. India agreed for plebiscite and it was on conducted 20th Feb 1948 , out of which 99.95 % of people voted in favor of India.


On 26 February, Pakistan termed India's proceeding with the plebiscite a 'discourtesy to Pakistan and the Security Council'. Pakistan took this matter to UN & UN formed a commission to investigate and later kashmir conflict came up and still this matter is unresolved in UN (as far is pakistan is concerned). Pakistan still raises concerns on the way plebiscite was conducted.

If referendum is held in kashmir (like in junagarh) & if it goes in India's favour still pakistan will go to UN and this case will unresolved in UN. Hence I said there is no point in having referendum as both parties will create drama after the result anyway.





They can hate whomever they want to hate and it's their human right to love or hate. But as far as we are concerned Jammu (in 2020) is of 66% hindus & 30 % muslims & this is final.




Ok then as per this logic (2 nation theory) pakistan shouldn't make a claim on Junagarh right ? But pakistan even till today didn't withdraw it's claim from Junagarh why ?

u can check back history , junagarh (in 1947) was a hindu majority & with muslim minority , even today junagarh is hindu majority still pakistan claims it


So Junagadh a Hindu majority state with a Muslim Nawab who acceded to Pakistan, and India annexed it after holding a referendum.

Can you see why Pakistan would feel cheated that they didnt get a referendum in Kashmir, where there was the same situation accept it was a Hindu Raja and a Muslim majority state? Can you see why they would feel that either Junadagh should be part of Pakistan or Kashmir should be part of Pakistan?

How convenient that you mention that there is no point in holding a referendum as it would create drama.
 
No group wants to be made a minority in there own land. Everyone wants there culture to dominate. Do you think people in England or France or Japan would like it if they became a minority, even if the outsiders were living peacefully?

Kashmir has been Muslim majority for 600 years, and Kashmir have had a Persianized Muslim culture for the last 600 years, and the Kashmiris would like to keep it that way.

To make it simple they don't want a Hindu majority in the Valley. And while Kashmiris can have some of there culture be influenced by Hinduisim and Indian culture, they dont want to give up the parts of there culture that come from Islam, and Central Asian/Persian culture, and be assimilated into mainstream Indian Hindu culture.

So Hindus wanting their culture to dominate in India is also fine, right?
 
So Junagadh a Hindu majority state with a Muslim Nawab who acceded to Pakistan, and India annexed it after holding a referendum.

Can you see why Pakistan would feel cheated that they didnt get a referendum in Kashmir, where there was the same situation accept it was a Hindu Raja and a Muslim majority state? Can you see why they would feel that either Junadagh should be part of Pakistan or Kashmir should be part of Pakistan?

How convenient that you mention that there is no point in holding a referendum as it would create drama.

My point is if pakistan wants kashmir to be resolved as per 2 nation theory logic then pakistan shouldn't make a claim on junaragh right ? But Pakistan still continues to make claim on it in UN.

Even till date pakistan doesn't accept the referendum held in junaragh saying it is wrong one even after knowing junaragh is 99% hindu

Hence no point of having referendum in kashmir now in 2020. If India wins , pakistani will say 'demographics got changed secretly after removal of article 370' .
 
So Hindus wanting their culture to dominate in India is also fine, right?

It is, and Hindus have dominated culturally in India since August 15, 1947. The symbols of the Indian state, whether its the flag, anthem, motto, script reflect the Hindu heritage of India. You cant share power when you deny the other group has there own culture, or you view there culture as foreign.


The only difference between Congress and BJP is the former will throw a bone here and there for its Muslim votebank, while the latter views that as appeasement. And Congress has no interest in renaming things that already have Muslim names from before 1947, but BJP would love to rename that.

Sir Syed said it best when he stated "

Now, suppose that all English, and the whole English army, were to leave India, taking with them all their cannon and their splendid weapons and everything, then who would be rulers of India? Is it possible that under these circumstances two nations—the Mahomedans and the Hindus—could sit on the same throne and remain equal in power? Most certainly not. It is necessary that one of them should conquer the other and thrust it down. To hope that both could remain equal is to desire the impossible and the inconceivable."

In India Hindus rule culturally. Muslims of India, with the exception of Kashmir have accepted that.
 
No group wants to be made a minority in there own land. Everyone wants there culture to dominate. Do you think people in England or France or Japan would like it if they became a minority, even if the outsiders were living peacefully?

Kashmir has been Muslim majority for 600 years, and Kashmir have had a Persianized Muslim culture for the last 600 years, and the Kashmiris would like to keep it that way.

To make it simple they don't want a Hindu majority in the Valley. And while Kashmiris can have some of there culture be influenced by Hinduisim and Indian culture, they dont want to give up the parts of there culture that come from Islam, and Central Asian/Persian culture, and be assimilated into mainstream Indian Hindu culture.

So why cant Kashmir be a secular state like rest of India? Why it has to be muslim land just bcoz Muslims are in majority there? I mean muslims in India day and night demands and preach secularism in other Indian states but wants Kashmir to be a muslim land? This hypocracy is the main reason why Kashmir never drew international attention and never will. Muslims when in minority in other Indian states want secular democracy and moment in majority want it to become muslim land. Awesome. I hope our liberal brothers are reading posts like this and make a sense of the hypocracy.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">While mobile internet was restored today after 7 days, all mobile services except for government run BSNL were blocked for more than three days too. There was no network. Imagine if there were an emergency and you had to call an ambulance. You simply couldn’t have. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PoliceState?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PoliceState</a></p>— Kashmir Intel (@kashmirosint) <a href="https://twitter.com/kashmirosint/status/1259959353664208896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 11, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


I recommend following this guy for more "neutral" updates on Kashmir. If that's even possible. He a local Kashmiri guy and tries to remain objective and neutral.
 
With internet back reports from Kashmir are reaching the outside world

“Shoved gun barrels in mouths, tied civilians to tree”: A ransacked Budgam village

By Kuwar Singh (the name sounds non-Muslim! so perhaps some neutrality can be expected)
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Table salt is scattered on the floor, along with broken fragments of a water pipe, a firepot, a wall clock, and utensils in the single-storey house.

“They took the salt from the kitchen, and rubbed it in our eyes,” says 50-year-old Atiqa Bano as she sifts through the rubble inside her house in Nasrullah Pora. The village in Budgam district of central Kashmir has a population of roughly 15,000. Right now, however, it is mostly deserted.

Ms. Bano has also returned only briefly to assess the damage. Since last Friday, she has been spending the night under the open sky in the farms behind the village along with a few other villagers. Even when the rains drenched her and the others on Saturday night, they did not dare to return home in the dark.

That’s how it has been since personnel of Jammu and Kashmir Police and Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) raided her village on Friday afternoon, after Fayaz Hussain, a deputy superintendent of police, was injured during a fight with the residents at the local mosque at about 2 pm.

As they saw armored vehicles entering the village an hour later, most of the men, including Ms. Bano’s husband and three sons, fled fearing detention. So when the troops came back for another raid around 11 pm that night, only her 25-year-old daughter was home with her.

The staircase of their house has been dismantled, and is lying in the front yard. Ms. Bano says the forces tore it from the wall to prevent them from escaping to the attic. “The men stormed in from the front gate, over the boundary walls, from every direction,” she says. To stop the women from screaming, “they shoved the barrel of their guns in our mouths.”

They ransacked through Ms. Bano’s belongings, and looted her gold jewellery, two power inverters, and their rice stock, she says.

While Ms. Bano was gagged, she says, her daughter was beaten up with the butt of a gun, injuring her right arm badly. Ms. Bano ran to the fields after the forces had left, and people there took her daughter to a hospital.

In the raid, the police detained seven men, whom “they kept tied to a tree, and took away in the evening,” says Ghulam Rasool Dar, an 80-year-old resident of the village. Among the detainees is Ms. Bano’s octogenarian father, Abdul Gaffar Dar.

An injured police officer


On Friday, in what is a common violation of the COVID-19 lockdown guidelines in the Valley’s countryside, “about 150 men had gathered to offer prayers” in the mosque, says Ghulam Rasool Dar. In the previous week too, the police had interrupted a Friday prayer at another mosque in the village.

Mr. Hussain, the police official, entered the mosque with his escorts to stop the service. “The people who were present there say he did not take his shoes off before coming in [the mosque],” which enraged the worshippers, says Ghulam Mohammad Dar, the village sarpanch, associated with Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP).

In the quarrel that ensued, a few villagers told me that the official threatened to shoot at them while one of his subordinates locked the mosque door from outside. The residents began throwing stones at the police. Amidst the clashes, Mr. Hussain’s team escaped, but he was stranded behind.

He suffered a head injury in the clash, and later had to get stitches. “But some of us had only saved him and handed him back to the police,” says Ghulam Rasool Dar.

A few minutes later, hundreds of personnel rushed into the village for the beginning of multiple mass raids that are still ongoing.

The Friday raid

Most houses in the village have been deserted; a few of them are locked while occupants of other houses have left the front door open as they fled hurriedly. Their belongings lie scattered inside. The vegetables still seem fresh in those kitchens and refrigerators that have not been vandalised.

When the troops raided their neighbours on Friday night, “my father and I locked our door, and hid in the attic,” says 12-year-old Muntazir Ahmad Mir. “The forces kept saying, ‘Saalo, baahar niklo!’”

Several residents were caught off guard in the initial raids, including Shafeeqa Bano. The 31-year-old kept her home locked as the troops vandalised the windows and doors. But when three policemen entered the front yard, and walked towards the Maruti Suzuki Alto 800, which the family had recently brought—she ran outside.

“I got in their way, begging them to leave it, which is when they beat me with their guns,” she says. Her legs have turned purple as bruised, and the car’s glass panes have been shattered.

Senior Superintendent of Police (SSP), Budgam, Amod Nagpure, denied allegations of vandalism, saying, “The police don’t do that. People were trying to impose hartal after the death of a militant commander [Riyaz Naikoo] and they vandalised the shops of the people who were against it. There has been an internal rift because of that and we’ve also registered a case and the investigation is going on.”

Mr. Nagpure adds that the police has identified at least fifty people in the case and lodged four First Information Reports, under the charges of arson and attempt to murder.

The village is littered with shattered glass from window panes and car windshields. Less than two hundred residents hang around during the day, the sarpanch says, and the village is nearly completely deserted at night.

More than a dozen villagers that I spoke to said the forces either looted or destroyed their valuable possessions—including cash, electronic appliances, furniture, bugnis or traditional earthen piggy banks, cooking gas cylinders, and jewellery—during the raids.

They also say that the troops vandalised local shops. One of them belongs to Mudasir Ahmad Dar, situated on the village’s main road. “The forces looted our stock, and loaded it on a truck that they had brought with them,” he says, standing in his ransacked shop. The blackened body of his refrigerator, which was set on fire, lies out front.

He has lost 15,000 rupees from the cash desk as well as his garment and shoe stock, he says.

“The forces had themselves brought two fire tenders with them,” he adds. “They gave the firefighters two boxes of bananas and a box of oranges that they had taken from our shops.”

A BJP sarpanch hit close to home


After becoming the sarpanch in 2019, GM Dar had hoped to win over more support for the BJP, a party he had joined twenty years ago. He won unopposed in his village, albeit with an abysmal voter turnout that is quite typical in the Valley.

The grassroot leaders, who engage in electoral politics in Kashmir, especially those in the villages, are risking their personal safety: the militants have on numerous occasions attacked elected officials for acting as collaborators with the Indian state.

“I stay under government protection at a hotel in Srinagar,” he says. “I came back during the pandemic because it is safer here. We have had no cases in our village.”

In the Friday raid, however, the forces did not discriminate between his house and his neighbours’. He says he saw them break the glass on the windows of his house and car, as he sat inside the house with his child.

“We risk everything to ensure Indian democracy survives in villages. I support the indictment of those who attacked the police,” he says. “But had I known this would happen, I would never have stood for election.”

Continuous raids and living in fear

Atiqa Bano was showing me around her father’s house when the convoy of armoured vehicles descended onto the village again. Adults and children ran alike to the farms behind the village. I stayed put inside her father’s deserted house as the troops ambled out of the vehicles and into the other empty houses in the neighbourhood.

From the fields, villagers could faintly hear the announcement that the police were making on loudspeakers: a long list of residents, most of them young men with past arrest records for stone throwing, who must turn themselves over at the station immediately.

Mr. Nagpure, the SSP, says the announcements are part of a routine procedure, “so that people come and present themselves in front of the investigating officer.”

Javed Dar, a 20-year-old resident, also figured on that list. All he could trace this hunt back to was his a-month-and-a-half long imprisonment during the uprising of 2016 after the government forces killed a militant commander, Burhan Wani.

He now sat in the field with his father, who complained about not being able to continue fasting during Ramzan as they had no way to prepare sehri. Unlike his father, however, Javed Dar had not been fasting anyway, and says he was not present at the mosque when the police official was attacked.

“They are forcing us towards militancy,” he said. The men around him nodded in agreement.

Before ransacking, the police used a chemical spray that caused them to faint, claim multiple women. When the forces picked Ms. Bano’s father up, he was at his home with her sisters, who fainted after being sprayed with this chemical, she says.

“I will still survive,” she says. “But my father is very sick. He was not even wearing proper clothes when they took him away.”

Ms. Bano also does not know where her daughter or the rest of the family presently is; she lost her phone in the Friday night raid. “Where will I go?” she wails. “I have become a musafir.”


https://thekashmirwalla.com/2020/05...civilians-to-tree-a-ransacked-budgam-village/

Most interesting part: A guy who won elections as a BJP candidate witnesses police damaging his house and wonders if should have stood up for election.
 
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With internet back reports from Kashmir are reaching the outside world

“Shoved gun barrels in mouths, tied civilians to tree”: A ransacked Budgam village

By Kuwar Singh (the name sounds non-Muslim! so perhaps some neutrality can be expected)
cover-photo-scaled.jpg


Table salt is scattered on the floor, along with broken fragments of a water pipe, a firepot, a wall clock, and utensils in the single-storey house.

“They took the salt from the kitchen, and rubbed it in our eyes,” says 50-year-old Atiqa Bano as she sifts through the rubble inside her house in Nasrullah Pora. The village in Budgam district of central Kashmir has a population of roughly 15,000. Right now, however, it is mostly deserted.

Ms. Bano has also returned only briefly to assess the damage. Since last Friday, she has been spending the night under the open sky in the farms behind the village along with a few other villagers. Even when the rains drenched her and the others on Saturday night, they did not dare to return home in the dark.

That’s how it has been since personnel of Jammu and Kashmir Police and Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) raided her village on Friday afternoon, after Fayaz Hussain, a deputy superintendent of police, was injured during a fight with the residents at the local mosque at about 2 pm.

As they saw armored vehicles entering the village an hour later, most of the men, including Ms. Bano’s husband and three sons, fled fearing detention. So when the troops came back for another raid around 11 pm that night, only her 25-year-old daughter was home with her.

The staircase of their house has been dismantled, and is lying in the front yard. Ms. Bano says the forces tore it from the wall to prevent them from escaping to the attic. “The men stormed in from the front gate, over the boundary walls, from every direction,” she says. To stop the women from screaming, “they shoved the barrel of their guns in our mouths.”

They ransacked through Ms. Bano’s belongings, and looted her gold jewellery, two power inverters, and their rice stock, she says.

While Ms. Bano was gagged, she says, her daughter was beaten up with the butt of a gun, injuring her right arm badly. Ms. Bano ran to the fields after the forces had left, and people there took her daughter to a hospital.

In the raid, the police detained seven men, whom “they kept tied to a tree, and took away in the evening,” says Ghulam Rasool Dar, an 80-year-old resident of the village. Among the detainees is Ms. Bano’s octogenarian father, Abdul Gaffar Dar.

An injured police officer


On Friday, in what is a common violation of the COVID-19 lockdown guidelines in the Valley’s countryside, “about 150 men had gathered to offer prayers” in the mosque, says Ghulam Rasool Dar. In the previous week too, the police had interrupted a Friday prayer at another mosque in the village.

Mr. Hussain, the police official, entered the mosque with his escorts to stop the service. “The people who were present there say he did not take his shoes off before coming in [the mosque],” which enraged the worshippers, says Ghulam Mohammad Dar, the village sarpanch, associated with Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP).

In the quarrel that ensued, a few villagers told me that the official threatened to shoot at them while one of his subordinates locked the mosque door from outside. The residents began throwing stones at the police. Amidst the clashes, Mr. Hussain’s team escaped, but he was stranded behind.

He suffered a head injury in the clash, and later had to get stitches. “But some of us had only saved him and handed him back to the police,” says Ghulam Rasool Dar.

A few minutes later, hundreds of personnel rushed into the village for the beginning of multiple mass raids that are still ongoing.

The Friday raid

Most houses in the village have been deserted; a few of them are locked while occupants of other houses have left the front door open as they fled hurriedly. Their belongings lie scattered inside. The vegetables still seem fresh in those kitchens and refrigerators that have not been vandalised.

When the troops raided their neighbours on Friday night, “my father and I locked our door, and hid in the attic,” says 12-year-old Muntazir Ahmad Mir. “The forces kept saying, ‘Saalo, baahar niklo!’”

Several residents were caught off guard in the initial raids, including Shafeeqa Bano. The 31-year-old kept her home locked as the troops vandalised the windows and doors. But when three policemen entered the front yard, and walked towards the Maruti Suzuki Alto 800, which the family had recently brought—she ran outside.

“I got in their way, begging them to leave it, which is when they beat me with their guns,” she says. Her legs have turned purple as bruised, and the car’s glass panes have been shattered.

Senior Superintendent of Police (SSP), Budgam, Amod Nagpure, denied allegations of vandalism, saying, “The police don’t do that. People were trying to impose hartal after the death of a militant commander [Riyaz Naikoo] and they vandalised the shops of the people who were against it. There has been an internal rift because of that and we’ve also registered a case and the investigation is going on.”

Mr. Nagpure adds that the police has identified at least fifty people in the case and lodged four First Information Reports, under the charges of arson and attempt to murder.

The village is littered with shattered glass from window panes and car windshields. Less than two hundred residents hang around during the day, the sarpanch says, and the village is nearly completely deserted at night.

More than a dozen villagers that I spoke to said the forces either looted or destroyed their valuable possessions—including cash, electronic appliances, furniture, bugnis or traditional earthen piggy banks, cooking gas cylinders, and jewellery—during the raids.

They also say that the troops vandalised local shops. One of them belongs to Mudasir Ahmad Dar, situated on the village’s main road. “The forces looted our stock, and loaded it on a truck that they had brought with them,” he says, standing in his ransacked shop. The blackened body of his refrigerator, which was set on fire, lies out front.

He has lost 15,000 rupees from the cash desk as well as his garment and shoe stock, he says.

“The forces had themselves brought two fire tenders with them,” he adds. “They gave the firefighters two boxes of bananas and a box of oranges that they had taken from our shops.”

A BJP sarpanch hit close to home


After becoming the sarpanch in 2019, GM Dar had hoped to win over more support for the BJP, a party he had joined twenty years ago. He won unopposed in his village, albeit with an abysmal voter turnout that is quite typical in the Valley.

The grassroot leaders, who engage in electoral politics in Kashmir, especially those in the villages, are risking their personal safety: the militants have on numerous occasions attacked elected officials for acting as collaborators with the Indian state.

“I stay under government protection at a hotel in Srinagar,” he says. “I came back during the pandemic because it is safer here. We have had no cases in our village.”

In the Friday raid, however, the forces did not discriminate between his house and his neighbours’. He says he saw them break the glass on the windows of his house and car, as he sat inside the house with his child.

“We risk everything to ensure Indian democracy survives in villages. I support the indictment of those who attacked the police,” he says. “But had I known this would happen, I would never have stood for election.”

Continuous raids and living in fear

Atiqa Bano was showing me around her father’s house when the convoy of armoured vehicles descended onto the village again. Adults and children ran alike to the farms behind the village. I stayed put inside her father’s deserted house as the troops ambled out of the vehicles and into the other empty houses in the neighbourhood.

From the fields, villagers could faintly hear the announcement that the police were making on loudspeakers: a long list of residents, most of them young men with past arrest records for stone throwing, who must turn themselves over at the station immediately.

Mr. Nagpure, the SSP, says the announcements are part of a routine procedure, “so that people come and present themselves in front of the investigating officer.”

Javed Dar, a 20-year-old resident, also figured on that list. All he could trace this hunt back to was his a-month-and-a-half long imprisonment during the uprising of 2016 after the government forces killed a militant commander, Burhan Wani.

He now sat in the field with his father, who complained about not being able to continue fasting during Ramzan as they had no way to prepare sehri. Unlike his father, however, Javed Dar had not been fasting anyway, and says he was not present at the mosque when the police official was attacked.

“They are forcing us towards militancy,” he said. The men around him nodded in agreement.

Before ransacking, the police used a chemical spray that caused them to faint, claim multiple women. When the forces picked Ms. Bano’s father up, he was at his home with her sisters, who fainted after being sprayed with this chemical, she says.

“I will still survive,” she says. “But my father is very sick. He was not even wearing proper clothes when they took him away.”

Ms. Bano also does not know where her daughter or the rest of the family presently is; she lost her phone in the Friday night raid. “Where will I go?” she wails. “I have become a musafir.”


https://thekashmirwalla.com/2020/05...civilians-to-tree-a-ransacked-budgam-village/

Most interesting part: A guy who won elections as a BJP candidate witnesses police damaging his house and wonders if should have stood up for election.

They looted jewellery and other items from the womans home too. Just wow!
 
They looted jewellery and other items from the womans home too. Just wow!

I find it hard to believe and think civilian claims against what they consider to be an occupational force are bound to contain some exaggerations.

That's why I highlighted the parts that's harder to deny: local BJP guy witnessing unprovoked vandalism of the civilian property and questioning the democratic process.
 
I find it hard to believe and think civilian claims against what they consider to be an occupational force are bound to contain some exaggerations.

That's why I highlighted the parts that's harder to deny: local BJP guy witnessing unprovoked vandalism of the civilian property and questioning the democratic process.

Your source of the news being thekashmirwalla.com? Lol

These narratives that Indian forces attacking innconet Kashmiris unprovoked is an old agenda and no one buys it anymore. Kashmirwalla.com (lol) need to try bit harder to gain attention.
 
Indian soldiers are suffering from ptsd or mental issues in kashmir that's why they are acting up in weird way, the violence against civilians reminds me of vietnam war where US soldiers would get annoyed and would do cruel things to locals
 
Your source of the news being thekashmirwalla.com? Lol

These narratives that Indian forces attacking innconet Kashmiris unprovoked is an old agenda and no one buys it anymore. Kashmirwalla.com (lol) need to try bit harder to gain attention.

Which favorite Indian journalists of yours or news channel has been to Kashmir the last week?

Thought so!

No source will suffice for you, since you care about the narrative and not the source. In your eyes Indian forces are innocent. Nothing otherwise will convince you.

Either show that Ghulam Mohammad Dar the local BJP associate mentioned in the report doesn't exist and didn't make those claims or don't bother replying with lols.
 
Which favorite Indian journalists of yours or news channel has been to Kashmir the last week?

Thought so!

No source will suffice for you, since you care about the narrative and not the source. In your eyes Indian forces are innocent. Nothing otherwise will convince you.

Either show that Ghulam Mohammad Dar the local BJP associate mentioned in the report doesn't exist and didn't make those claims or don't bother replying with lols.

Same like in your eyes Kashmiri stone pelters and terrorists are innocent. So its all about perception and works both way.

Kashmirwala.com has zero relevance and there is no reason for me and anyone to believe it. Its like I am posting a random article from OpIndia, Rightlog, Sankhnaad etc. You will also reject them upright bcoz it wont serve the narrative that you want to hear.

India's official stand in Kashmir is clear, always has been and always will be. Its an integral part of India, an union territory that is totally managed from New Delhi and no amount of external interference will be tolerated. Anyone tries to harm the army or civilians in the valley, tries to sponsor terrorism will be treated accordingly like Burhan Wani and Riaz Naikoo.

There is nothing more to it irrespective of what Kashmirwalla.com propagates.
 
Same like in your eyes Kashmiri stone pelters and terrorists are innocent. So its all about perception and works both way.

Kashmirwala.com has zero relevance and there is no reason for me and anyone to believe it. Its like I am posting a random article from OpIndia, Rightlog, Sankhnaad etc. You will also reject them upright bcoz it wont serve the narrative that you want to hear.

India's official stand in Kashmir is clear, always has been and always will be. Its an integral part of India, an union territory that is totally managed from New Delhi and no amount of external interference will be tolerated. Anyone tries to harm the army or civilians in the valley, tries to sponsor terrorism will be treated accordingly like Burhan Wani and Riaz Naikoo.

There is nothing more to it irrespective of what Kashmirwalla.com propagates.

This is where you are wrong!

I will condemn any Kashmiri militant or civilian, vandalizing the property of an innocent. If a Kashmiri youth chooses to pick up a gun and is killed I don't say he was killed for no reasons.

I don't believe in desperately trying to defend my ego and pride. I am not emotionally invested in defending the official stance of my government. I prefer to make up my own mind.

The big budget Indian media has been caught countless times spreading obvious fake news, why does it have more relevance over a local news source, especially considering no outside journalist has been inside the valley in past few days. Has Kashmirwala been caught spreading fake news repeatedly? Or are you renouncing it just because of its name? How do you expect more relevant sources to report on things when they are not even in Kashmir?

Once again, in the report a Kashmiri BJP member who won the local elections in 2019 claims that he was sitting in his house when Indian forces came and started vandalizing his property. He claims that the forces were going house by house and breaking windows etc. The incident is making him doubt his decision to take part in election. Now as someone interested in less violence and more mutual understanding of the people this is a bad sign worth looking into.

There are only a handful of options here:

- He is lying
- He is telling the truth
- The news report made up the story

The person isn't an unknown source, his full name has been provided. It should be easy to fact check the whole story and get to the bottom of this.
 
2g internet restored in Pulwama. RIP Commander Riyaz Naikoo. He would have escaped as after three days of Search operation Indian Army was unable to trace him but they they took 30 young boys and thrashed them, make them naked, put them in the front row which Riyaz Naikoo was seeing from his hide and he told some people to leave these boys and tell indian army I am here . Still Indian brave army didn't let the civilians free they were being told to plant the mines in the house where he was hiding and blasted it. In this encounter 3 civilians have also been martyred and dozens are injured.
Don't put the lives of civilians in danger, don't make them hostages as we have many killings by doing so.
 
2g internet restored in Pulwama. RIP Commander Riyaz Naikoo. He would have escaped as after three days of Search operation Indian Army was unable to trace him but they they took 30 young boys and thrashed them, make them naked, put them in the front row which Riyaz Naikoo was seeing from his hide and he told some people to leave these boys and tell indian army I am here . Still Indian brave army didn't let the civilians free they were being told to plant the mines in the house where he was hiding and blasted it. In this encounter 3 civilians have also been martyred and dozens are injured.
Don't put the lives of civilians in danger, don't make them hostages as we have many killings by doing so.

And you come here to peddle your lies.

Naikoo was a terrorist and hid Iike a coward and was killed when he was hiding.
 
And you come here to peddle your lies.

Naikoo was a terrorist and hid Iike a coward and was killed when he was hiding.

Coming from a man who is thousands of miles away from the encounter site to a man who is few miles away from the beighbora. You won't digest the truth and I dont give a damn.
 
After killing Hizbul commander Riyaz Naikoo, Indian Army hunting for top ten terrorists active in Kashmir

Days after eliminating the Pakistan-supported terror outfit Hizb-ul-Mujahideen’s (HM) local commander Riyaz Naikoo, the Indian Army is said to be hunting for top ten terrorists active in Kashmir Valley.

According to reports, the Army has released a list of its top ten targets in Kashmir Valley, which includes -

1) New Hizbul commander Dr Saifullah, whose code name [MENTION=152027]Gazi[/MENTION] Hyder or doctor sahib. He joined Hizb-ul-Mujahideen in October 2014;

2) Mohd Ashraf Khan, code name Ashraf Molvi @ Mansoor-ul-Islam. He joined HM on September 9, 2016;

3) Junaid Sehrai (HM);

4) Mohm Abbas Sheikh, code name Turabi Molvi, active since 3 March 2015 and affiliated to HM;

5) Zahid Zargar, who joined Jaish-e-Mohammad in late 2014;

6) Shakur linked to LeT since 2015;

7) Faisal Bhai, who is a +category terrorist, who joined Jaish in 2015;

8) Sheraz al lone, code name Molvi;

9) Saleem Paray linked to JM;

10) Owais Mullick, who is affiliated to LeT.

https://zeenews.india.com/india/aft...ten-terrorists-active-in-kashmir-2283440.html
 
Coming from a man who is thousands of miles away from the encounter site to a man who is few miles away from the beighbora. You won't digest the truth and I dont give a damn.

I dont give a damn either. Kashmir is Indian territory.
 
Interesting new details about this encounter and how the Indian forces operate:

Riyaz Naikoo's encounter, successor and militancy in Kashmir

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...militancy-in-kashmir/articleshow/75715239.cms

It's a very lengthy read, I am going to quote the most interesting insights:

Locals informed that around 15 other houses were damaged partially and seven cows were injured seriously during the encounter.

“This vegetable garden looks like a graveyard now. You can’t imagine that I grew tomatoes, onions, potatoes and cherries in this garden. My losses run in several lakhs,” said Mushtaq Ahmad, whose vegetable garden was dug up with JCBs and his cow was shot in the udder.

Cows don't seem to be safe in Hindu Rashtra!
Where are the cow protectors, the Gau Rakshak Dal?

Forces took a group of youngsters from village and started the search operation. They were asked to enter every house ahead of the forces,” a local resident told ET. This continued for the whole day and these youngsters were let go in the evening.

Another group of youngsters was picked up by the forces on morning of May 6 and asked to follow their directions. “Some of these youngsters were used to plant the explosives around the houses which were blasted,” said locals.

After the encounter was over, another group of civilians was sent to first inspect the spot on direction of the forces and check the location of bodies of militants in the rubble.“Three locals, Azad Ahmad Teli, Wasim Raja and Muzaffar Ahmad Naikoo are still in their custody,” said Rafiq.

Indian security jawans are allegedly using young civilians as human shields to do house searches, to plant explosives on militant hideouts and to look for militant bodies. Maybe this is their new strategy to limit the lose of their brave jawans and to win hearts and minds of the locals.

Naikoo’s father reminisces that during eight years of Naikoo’s tenure as a militant, he has spent majority of the time visiting police stations and army camps.

“I am familiar with almost every army camp and police station from Pulwama to Srinagar. I was offered money to make him surrender. But I honestly told them that I have no control over him and cannot snitch on him as well,” said Asadullah. Forces often searched house of Naikoo, and the last raid was conducted on December 2, 2019, when forces used two land excavators to dig their lawn.

Also, a police officer said, Naikoo managed to contain defection within HM as some of its members were influenced by Zakir Musa, an HM commander who deserted to form his own Al-Qaeda inspired, Ansar Gazwat-ul-Hind. Musa was killed in on May 23, 2019 in his native area of Tral. “This could have proven a disaster for this pro-Pakistan group, which he successfully averted,” said another police official involved in counter insurgency operations.

J&K police officials claim that 69 militants were killed so far this year in over 27 counter militancy operations. This includes top Hizb commanders, Riyaz Naikoo and Burhan Koka and 20 other HM militants. J&K police has also arrested around 30 active militants this year till now. On May 12, J&K police claims to have arrested four over ground workers of militants associated with Jaish e Muhammad. Local recruitments into militant ranks is continuing as well.

I don't know how relevant the source The Economic Times is but hopefully more relevant than Kashmirwalla.
 
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[MENTION=144682]Sirris[/MENTION] - This is how encounters work and there will always be collateral damage. What did you expect? Army to do an encounter of a top terrorist and not a leaf will get destroyed in the process? You think when US army did a raid on Saddam...there was no civilian damage? Thats not how it works.

How about the hundreds of policemen this guy Naikoo has killed or took hostage? Didnt they had family/kids back home? I am aghast by your attempt of clinging onto straws. And 7 cows and 15 houses, I mean really?

Riyaz Naikoo signed his fate with bullet the day he joined Hizbul. The guy whom he replaced faced the same fate and the guy who replaced him will also face the same. Not sure if you know how army works or how they get trained. They are specifically trained to cut down the emotions and focus on the job. They work at the directives of govt and once they recieve a go ahead from centre, they will simply go at the target irrespective of how many houses or cows get damaged or whether the person whom they are killing was an ex maths teacher etc.
 
No group wants to be made a minority in there own land. Everyone wants there culture to dominate. Do you think people in England or France or Japan would like it if they became a minority, even if the outsiders were living peacefully?

Kashmir has been Muslim majority for 600 years, and Kashmir have had a Persianized Muslim culture for the last 600 years, and the Kashmiris would like to keep it that way.

To make it simple they don't want a Hindu majority in the Valley. And while Kashmiris can have some of there culture be influenced by Hinduisim and Indian culture, they dont want to give up the parts of there culture that come from Islam, and Central Asian/Persian culture, and be assimilated into mainstream Indian Hindu culture.

There will be an influence of many cultures. In fact US TV shows, movies, sports,pop culture have influence on people living outside the USA too but doesn’t change who they are.

This may sound harsh but there is nothing called islamic identity. Even someone as radical as Taliban have a certain kind of Tribal nationalism. You think they will marry off their daughters to someone outside the tribe? Turks,Arabs all have their own unique nationalistic identity.

Similarly indians have an Indian identity. Hinduism is not one big religion but it is a collection of various cultures and traditions and beliefs indigenous to the land which is the common factor. An Indian guy with a name like John or Adam or whatever might go to church ,celebrate Christmas but suddenly he doesn’t become a White European. Even the Parsees who actually came from a foreign country to escape islamic persecution and sought refuge in India don’t identity themselves as Persians anymore. They have adopted Gujarati as their mother tounge. So not sure what makes Kashmiris so unique.
 
Indian soldiers are suffering from ptsd or mental issues in kashmir that's why they are acting up in weird way, the violence against civilians reminds me of vietnam war where US soldiers would get annoyed and would do cruel things to locals

Very interesting comparison drawn in here.

I got to say the similarities are eerily similar when it comes to ground position. The only difference is the intruding force is internal (i.e. India for Kashmir) while it was external for Vietnam. This makes a big difference as when occupying forces are external they would withdraw after a given lag time as its a burden on their resources, have a look at Afghanistan. If not this year then surely within the next 5 years Americans would completely withdraw and once they are out no one would say the time they served in Afghanistan uplifted Afghanistan's outlook.

Similarities are same in Kashmir. India is an occupying force and has been for several decades. Kashmir's outlook has remained the same over decades when it comes to economy and progress. Its not a matter of progression anymore I believe its a matter of ego now where acceptance of reality is a defeat and perception of deceit is a new reality.

The day India comes to terms with the basic fact that the people of the valley has rejected them, will be the day when things might start looking better for both India and Kashmir.
 
[MENTION=144682]Sirris[/MENTION] - This is how encounters work and there will always be collateral damage. What did you expect? Army to do an encounter of a top terrorist and not a leaf will get destroyed in the process? You think when US army did a raid on Saddam...there was no civilian damage? Thats not how it works.

How about the hundreds of policemen this guy Naikoo has killed or took hostage? Didnt they had family/kids back home? I am aghast by your attempt of clinging onto straws. And 7 cows and 15 houses, I mean really?

Riyaz Naikoo signed his fate with bullet the day he joined Hizbul. The guy whom he replaced faced the same fate and the guy who replaced him will also face the same. Not sure if you know how army works or how they get trained. They are specifically trained to cut down the emotions and focus on the job. They work at the directives of govt and once they recieve a go ahead from centre, they will simply go at the target irrespective of how many houses or cows get damaged or whether the person whom they are killing was an ex maths teacher etc.

You do realize that the cow part was meant as an ironic joke, right?

The thing I really wanted to highlight was the bolded part written in larger letters, you know!

I am not at all aghast by your attempt to focus on cows instead of the claims that Indian forces might have used local civilians to do the dirty work for them! Using locals as human shields, making them plant explosives on buildings and to look for dead bodies, is this part of the professional training of Indian security jawans?

Are civilians typically required in the state of India to plant explosives on buildings and do they have the psychological training to handle the sight of crushed dead bodies of humans buried under a building rubble?

Riyaz Naikoo was the enemy of the Indian state, I am not questioning why he was killed. I am against insurgency and want to be able to encourage Kashmiris to let go of their "azadi" chants and live happily under Indian state's rule which is way better off economically than Pakistan.

However, for me to do so with good consciousness I'd need to be able to see some good in the Indian state. I see very little effort by the Indian state to build the bridges, heal the wounds and win over the Kashmiri population. In fact I don't see much hope when I realize how Indians outside Kashmir can't even endure two local Kashmiri journalists winning an International prize for photography. With the constant communication shutdown and little empathy shown towards the average Kashmir all I can see is the further alienation of the population and strengthening of the militant propaganda.

On a side note, one possible explanation why the Indian security jawans would use young local civilians to look for the dead bodies of militants in debris is that in the past some militants have managed to survive the building collapsing on them through explosives and in a surprise attack killed Indian security forces who were looking for their bodies in the debris. This has happened multiple time in the past and it's also the most likely reason how in the recent Handwara encounter 2 militants were able to kill 5 highly trained Indian security jawans including a Colonel and a Major.

I made a list of such incidents based on online news report in this post: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...lled-in-attack-in-IOK&p=10743970#post10743970
 
You do realize that the cow part was meant as an ironic joke, right?

The thing I really wanted to highlight was the bolded part written in larger letters, you know!

I am not at all aghast by your attempt to focus on cows instead of the claims that Indian forces might have used local civilians to do the dirty work for them! Using locals as human shields, making them plant explosives on buildings and to look for dead bodies, is this part of the professional training of Indian security jawans?

Are civilians typically required in the state of India to plant explosives on buildings and do they have the psychological training to handle the sight of crushed dead bodies of humans buried under a building rubble?

Riyaz Naikoo was the enemy of the Indian state, I am not questioning why he was killed. I am against insurgency and want to be able to encourage Kashmiris to let go of their "azadi" chants and live happily under Indian state's rule which is way better off economically than Pakistan.

However, for me to do so with good consciousness I'd need to be able to see some good in the Indian state. I see very little effort by the Indian state to build the bridges, heal the wounds and win over the Kashmiri population. In fact I don't see much hope when I realize how Indians outside Kashmir can't even endure two local Kashmiri journalists winning an International prize for photography. With the constant communication shutdown and little empathy shown towards the average Kashmir all I can see is the further alienation of the population and strengthening of the militant propaganda.

On a side note, one possible explanation why the Indian security jawans would use young local civilians to look for the dead bodies of militants in debris is that in the past some militants have managed to survive the building collapsing on them through explosives and in a surprise attack killed Indian security forces who were looking for their bodies in the debris. This has happened multiple time in the past and it's also the most likely reason how in the recent Handwara encounter 2 militants were able to kill 5 highly trained Indian security jawans including a Colonel and a Major.

I made a list of such incidents based on online news report in this post: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...lled-in-attack-in-IOK&p=10743970#post10743970

I respect your view because you reasonably present your views even though they are different from mine.

See all that you point out is fine but tell me this, was this Indian Army vs Kashmiri people or this so called Army killing innocent civilians happening since 1947?

Weren’t the Pandits and other groups of Kashmir living somewhat in harmony before late 80’s?

Can you tell me at exactly what point this got violent or who drew the first blood or when this insurgency thing became this bad as it had become?

I would be really interested in knowing who drew first blood here, who exactly do you hold accountable for violence?

Do you think what’s going on in Kashmir a freedom struggle or a religious crusade?

People cheerleading for these militants, how many of you would want your kids to go to Harvard,Yale or Oxford against picking arms and fighting for religious crusades,etc? Gareeb baccha jihadi bane to he is a hero but your kids should have a secure education and a good job?

Only option here is whoever the Kashmiri leadership is, if In case there exists such thing, they should come out and call out for truce and sit and talk with Indian government. Obviously they should be a true representative of this movement. For example how Jinnah was the universally accepted face of the Pakistani movement. Until then there is no solution to this.

As long as these guys use some random Arab sounding names for their organizations and go against the state this will be inevitable and unfortunately there will be collateral damage and probably a lot worse from the militants because they are not accountable to anyone like the army of a democratic nation.
 
After killing Hizbul commander Riyaz Naikoo, Indian Army hunting for top ten terrorists active in Kashmir

Days after eliminating the Pakistan-supported terror outfit Hizb-ul-Mujahideen’s (HM) local commander Riyaz Naikoo, the Indian Army is said to be hunting for top ten terrorists active in Kashmir Valley.

According to reports, the Army has released a list of its top ten targets in Kashmir Valley, which includes -

1) New Hizbul commander Dr Saifullah, whose code name [MENTION=152027]Gazi[/MENTION] Hyder or doctor sahib. He joined Hizb-ul-Mujahideen in October 2014;

2) Mohd Ashraf Khan, code name Ashraf Molvi @ Mansoor-ul-Islam. He joined HM on September 9, 2016;

3) Junaid Sehrai (HM);

4) Mohm Abbas Sheikh, code name Turabi Molvi, active since 3 March 2015 and affiliated to HM;

5) Zahid Zargar, who joined Jaish-e-Mohammad in late 2014;

6) Shakur linked to LeT since 2015;

7) Faisal Bhai, who is a +category terrorist, who joined Jaish in 2015;

8) Sheraz al lone, code name Molvi;

9) Saleem Paray linked to JM;

10) Owais Mullick, who is affiliated to LeT.

https://zeenews.india.com/india/aft...ten-terrorists-active-in-kashmir-2283440.html

These nationalists will attack innocent houses and kill everyone present just to get their prize and that in a holy month too
Shame on them
 
Interesting new details about this encounter and how the Indian forces operate:

Riyaz Naikoo's encounter, successor and militancy in Kashmir

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...militancy-in-kashmir/articleshow/75715239.cms

It's a very lengthy read, I am going to quote the most interesting insights:





Cows don't seem to be safe in Hindu Rashtra!
Where are the cow protectors, the Gau Rakshak Dal?







Indian security jawans are allegedly using young civilians as human shields to do house searches, to plant explosives on militant hideouts and to look for militant bodies. Maybe this is their new strategy to limit the lose of their brave jawans and to win hearts and minds of the locals.







I don't know how relevant the source The Economic Times is but hopefully more relevant than Kashmirwalla.

These are the tactics which are used by Indian Army since long. Young boys are taken hostage and to shield army.
 
Deep down most indians will know that their government is in wrong and there is no moral ground in forcefully occupying a land, whose people dont want to be part of your country. Rather than dragging it on both Pakistan and India should let Kashmir be an Independence country and move on from there. We ve already lost 74 years in this quagmire.

Once Kashmir issue is resolved, other things will gradually fall in their place, religious bigotry and hatred will also come down when people on both side of the border will start realising that we are actually the same people, share bloodlines have the same culture, customs, language and food. There is no need to have life long animosity just based on religious differences.
 
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J&K: Top Hizbul Mujahideen commander Tahir Ahmed Bhat killed in encounter in Doda

Top Hizbul Mujahideen (HM) commander Tahir Ahmed Bhat was killed in an encounter between terrorists and security forces in Doda district, Jammu and Kashmir on Sunday, according to J&K.

A search operation was launched on Saturday night based on inputs about terrorist presence in the district and a village in the area was cordoned by early morning by the forces of police, army, Central Reserved Police Force (CRPF), and Shastra Seema Bal (SSB) forces.

During the search, terrorists hiding in a house opened fire on the armed forces. In the encounter that followed, Tahir Ahmed Bhat was killed.

https://www.dnaindia.com/india/repo...hmed-bhat-killed-in-encounter-in-doda-2825121
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">At least fifteen residential houses have been damaged in Srinagar gunfight, where two militants were killed. People have lost everything in their houses and couldn't save anything. Several blasts carried out. "They even stole our jewellery," a woman told me. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kashmir</a> <a href="https://t.co/tUOGie376S">pic.twitter.com/tUOGie376S</a></p>— Fahad Shah (@pzfahad) <a href="https://twitter.com/pzfahad/status/1262688770832261121?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 19, 2020</a></blockquote>
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Junaid Sehrai, son of Hurriyat chairman, killed in Srinagar encounter

A top Hizbul Mujahideen commander and son of a senior separatist leader was among the two militants killed in an overnight gunfight in Srinagar. Junaid Sehrai was killed along with an associate in Old city’s Nawakdal neighbourhood.

Junaid is the second top Hizb commander to be gunned down after its operational Chief Riyaz Naikoo was killed in south Kashmir in the first week of May. Junaid, police say, was looking after the militant outfits operations for central Kashmir.

https://indianexpress.com/article/i...lled-hurriyat-ashraf-sehrai-srinagar-kashmir/
 
Deep down most indians will know that their government is in wrong and there is no moral ground in forcefully occupying a land, .

Most of indians (expect for attention seeking liberal comedians in this forum PP) believe that militants are giving hard time to kashmiris like threatening or forcing them into terrorist activities.

Most of indians also remember the pain undergone by kashmiri hindus in the 90s by people who supported these militants.

Also Yes most of the indians feel pity on those kashmiris who got stuck in between hatred of pakistan & India. But I hope peace prevails soon.

Once Kashmir issue is resolved, other things will gradually fall in their place, religious bigotry and hatred will also come down when people on both side of the border will start realising that we are actually the same people,


ur first quote may have some truth in it but this assumption is 100 % wrong.

Suppose if modi tommorow says 'we will fight no more and hence we will give this kashmir land to pakistan' and let's suppose that every single indian soldier/authority left kashmir. will there be peace ?? Hell No !

Bcoz pakistani establishment/non-state actors wants 'ghazwa-e-hind' , they simply want pakistani flag on delhi's red fort. They cannot digest the fact that 110 crore (1.1 billion) hindus r living in India !

They say 'our prophet predicted ghazwa e hind and it's our duty to do ghazwa e hind' , hence guys like zaid hamid, hafiz sayeed r famous in pakistan.

Sorry as I said even if India gives up kashmir, still pakistan will interfere in our internal matters unless ghazwa e hind happens in India ! It's as simple as that.


Did the forget pakistani kids video of 'hind banega pakistan' ?? It's youtube u can watch it !
 
What? :danish

Projecting, maybe.


videos on zaid hamid, orya maqbool, hafiz sayeed r on youtube where they want ghazwa e hind to happen & they simply want pakistani flag on red fort

They say (I don't know as I never visited pakistan) many pakistanis (living in pakistan) believe in ghazwa e hind. So they are simply waiting for it. what's wrong in accepting what people believe in ?
 
this keyboard hero think that Gazwa e Hind is main stream ideology, this in itself is just enough to prove how wrong they and their bias media is, this Gazwa e Hind is the last thing in the minds of atleast 99.9% Pakistanis. These Indian really live in some alternate universe.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"They stole everything, even cooking gas cylinders": Families speaking about massive damage at gunfight site in Srinagar, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kashmir</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/bhattburhan02?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@bhattburhan02</a> and I witnessed these scenes at the gunfight site. Our report for <a href="https://twitter.com/tkwmag?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tkwmag</a><br><br> <a href="https://t.co/X35AcQykhg">pic.twitter.com/X35AcQykhg</a></p>— Fahad Shah (@pzfahad) <a href="https://twitter.com/pzfahad/status/1262716119611084800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 19, 2020</a></blockquote>
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Kashmir is India's internal matter, says Taliban. Denies any plan to target Delhi

The Taliban on Monday denied claims on social media that it could join Pakistan-sponsored terrorism in Kashmir, underlining that the Taliban was clear that it “does not interfere in internal affairs of other countries”.

“The statement published in the media about Taaliban joining Jihad in Kashmir is wrong…. The policy of the Islamic Emirate is clear that it does not interfere in the internal affairs of other countries.” Suhail Shaheen, the spokesperson for the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, as the political wing of Taliban calls itself, tweeted on Monday evening.

The strong clarification comes a day after officials monitoring social media noted a spike in posts around claims that a Taliban spokesperson Zabihullah Mujahid said it was impossible to be friends with India unless the Kashmir dispute is resolved. The spokesperson was also claimed to have said that the Taliban would, after capturing power in Kabul, “capture Kashmir from infidels also”.

Diplomats based in Kabul and Delhi told Hindustan Times that the Taliban spokesperson’s clarification came after India worked the backchannels to confirm reports about the group’s approach to India, and on Jammu and Kashmir.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...arget-delhi/story-sOgG3yPsMenP4nZDKRbygL.html
 
As if they would declare it officially and announce it to whole world. Anyway Kashmir jihad is continuing even without Talibans. So no big deal.
 
Let me ask a question that I should have asked a long time before. DO Pakistanis support the freedom of Kashmiris or are they expecting Kashmir to join Pakistan?

I mean is the bigger play here once Indian Kashmir gets independence that it will form an independent country with "Azad Kashmir" or are Pakistanis expecting this new state of Kashmir("Azad" + Indian) to be a new state?

I believe some Kashmiris want "freedom" so not exactly sure what Pakistani interest here is. I mean is it just a religious identity thing here? It is not clearly an ethnic thing because Kashmiri origin or culture is standalone to say Punjabi,Sindhi,Pathan,Baloch etc cultures, no different between various states of India. If that is the case, I can think of at least 4-5 issues plaguing the Islamic world worse than the Kashmir issue. I think this needs to be answered first before we can build a constructive argument.
 
Let me ask Pakistanis on the forum this, you guys clearly throwing around let's throw money at these so called "freedom fighters". Do you know how many kids would need to be turned into Jihadis for this cause? You want your kids to be doctors, engineers or achievers but you want Kashmiri and other kids to be Jihadis. Learn to value lives.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BREAKING?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BREAKING</a>: Big success for J&K Police & CRPF. J&K DGP Dilbag Singh tells me: Two terrorists neutralised today in Srinagar identified as Junaid Sehrai Divisional Commander, Hizbul, active since 2018 S/O Mohd Ashraf Khan @ Sehrai Chairman Tehreek e Hurriyat and Tariq Ahmed Sheikh. <a href="https://t.co/HVpwhT06mh">pic.twitter.com/HVpwhT06mh</a></p>— Aditya Raj Kaul (@AdityaRajKaul) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/status/1262696347771105281?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
videos on zaid hamid, orya maqbool, hafiz sayeed r on youtube where they want ghazwa e hind to happen & they simply want pakistani flag on red fort

They say (I don't know as I never visited pakistan) many pakistanis (living in pakistan) believe in ghazwa e hind. So they are simply waiting for it. what's wrong in accepting what people believe in ?
So you would represent USA and it's policies with the views of Alex Jones?
 
Most of indians (expect for attention seeking liberal comedians in this forum PP) believe that militants are giving hard time to kashmiris like threatening or forcing them into terrorist activities.

Most of indians also remember the pain undergone by kashmiri hindus in the 90s by people who supported these militants.

Also Yes most of the indians feel pity on those kashmiris who got stuck in between hatred of pakistan & India. But I hope peace prevails soon.




ur first quote may have some truth in it but this assumption is 100 % wrong.

Suppose if modi tommorow says 'we will fight no more and hence we will give this kashmir land to pakistan' and let's suppose that every single indian soldier/authority left kashmir. will there be peace ?? Hell No !

Bcoz pakistani establishment/non-state actors wants 'ghazwa-e-hind' , they simply want pakistani flag on delhi's red fort. They cannot digest the fact that 110 crore (1.1 billion) hindus r living in India !

They say 'our prophet predicted ghazwa e hind and it's our duty to do ghazwa e hind' , hence guys like zaid hamid, hafiz sayeed r famous in pakistan.

Sorry as I said even if India gives up kashmir, still pakistan will interfere in our internal matters unless ghazwa e hind happens in India ! It's as simple as that.


Did the forget pakistani kids video of 'hind banega pakistan' ?? It's youtube u can watch it !



Talking about kids. This brainwashed generation is your future.


Ghazwa-e-hind was not a part of main stream intellection of our nation. They were too busy watching bollywood. Thanks to Modi, Pakistanis are waking up.
 
‘No Srinagar resident in militant ranks now after killing of LeT commander’: Kashmir IGP

No Srinagar resident now remains in militant ranks after the killing of Lashkar-e-Taiba member Ishfaq Rashid Khan in an encounter on Saturday, Kashmir Inspector General of Police (IGP) Vijay Kumar said on Sunday.

Khan, a LeT commander and a resident of Sozieth in Srinagar, was among the two militants killed in a gun fight with security forces on Saturday in the Ranbirgarh-Panzinara area of Srinagar. The other militant, according to sources, was Aijaz Bhat, a resident of south Kashmir’s Pulwama district.

“After killing of LeT terrorist Ishfaq Rashid Khan yesterday, no resident of Srinagar district in terrorist ranks now,” Kashmir police’s Twitter handle quoted IGP Kumar as sayin

Earlier this month, the IGP had said that Srinagar could never be militancy-free owing to entry of militants from other districts and before they can set up their base in Srinagar they are killed.

“Srinagar is a city where militants come often. Sometimes they come for medical treatment, collecting funds or even for meetings. Srinagar can never be militant free,” he had said on July 3 after an encounter on the outskirts of Srinagar.

“The militants will keep on coming here. And when we get information about the militants, we will keep on carrying out encounters,” he said.

So far 10 militants have been killed in Srinagar in various encounters - a few of them belonging to Srinagar.

The two militants killed on Saturday were trapped after a joint cordon and search operation was launched by JKP, 29 RR and CRPF in the said area.

A police spokesman said that during the operation they were given an opportunity to surrender. “However they fired indiscriminately upon the joint search party, which was retaliated leading to an encounter. In the ensuing encounter, the two were killed,” he said.

The dead bodies of the terrorists were sent to Ganderbal for last rites after completing medico-legal formalities including collection of their DNA.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...kashmir-igp/story-ZM58AGfTxjGbpsprDXzwaJ.html
 
‘No Srinagar resident in militant ranks now after killing of LeT commander’: Kashmir IGP

No Srinagar resident now remains in militant ranks after the killing of Lashkar-e-Taiba member Ishfaq Rashid Khan in an encounter on Saturday, Kashmir Inspector General of Police (IGP) Vijay Kumar said on Sunday.

Khan, a LeT commander and a resident of Sozieth in Srinagar, was among the two militants killed in a gun fight with security forces on Saturday in the Ranbirgarh-Panzinara area of Srinagar. The other militant, according to sources, was Aijaz Bhat, a resident of south Kashmir’s Pulwama district.

“After killing of LeT terrorist Ishfaq Rashid Khan yesterday, no resident of Srinagar district in terrorist ranks now,” Kashmir police’s Twitter handle quoted IGP Kumar as sayin

Earlier this month, the IGP had said that Srinagar could never be militancy-free owing to entry of militants from other districts and before they can set up their base in Srinagar they are killed.

“Srinagar is a city where militants come often. Sometimes they come for medical treatment, collecting funds or even for meetings. Srinagar can never be militant free,” he had said on July 3 after an encounter on the outskirts of Srinagar.

“The militants will keep on coming here. And when we get information about the militants, we will keep on carrying out encounters,” he said.

So far 10 militants have been killed in Srinagar in various encounters - a few of them belonging to Srinagar.

The two militants killed on Saturday were trapped after a joint cordon and search operation was launched by JKP, 29 RR and CRPF in the said area.

A police spokesman said that during the operation they were given an opportunity to surrender. “However they fired indiscriminately upon the joint search party, which was retaliated leading to an encounter. In the ensuing encounter, the two were killed,” he said.

The dead bodies of the terrorists were sent to Ganderbal for last rites after completing medico-legal formalities including collection of their DNA.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...kashmir-igp/story-ZM58AGfTxjGbpsprDXzwaJ.html

Finally some good news in these terrible times. The terrorists need to be culled at all costs.
 
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