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Ross Taylor dropped, Lockie Ferguson ruled out of Black Caps Twenty20 squad for Pakistan

PAK is not going to out bat kiwis, no matter who is playing. Best chance is to make it a bowling shoot-out. Shadab & Imad + four pacers. Five batsmen including the WK is enough for 20 overs considering Imad & Shadab can bat.

If PAK plans 8 overs from two spinners, it’ll backfire in Kiwi grounds; therefore a 6th bowling option is required and it’s not the spin of Hafeez, Iftekhar or Khusdil. May be, they can play Faheem as 4th pacer & No. 8, Wahab, Shaheen & Hasnain/Rauf.

Top five - doesn’t matter me ch as long as Babar & MoHa is in form - may be Haider, Khusdil & Sarfraz (yes, over Rizwan for T20s).

Still it’s a mismatch with the Kiwis at home.
 
Yes Ferguson is a huge blow and gives us a chance. He would have traumatized everyone bar Babar and maybe Abdulah (good on the short ball from what I have seen). Just watch what he did to WI in the first T20 to get an idea. He was bowling thunderbolts; serious pace, bounce and accuracy to boot.

We took him for 1-50 in 8 overs in the World Cup last year. he's a loss but he's not as good as you're hyping him up to be. Smashing WI is easy, there's a reason they're ranked 10th in the format. Even Imad Wasim has a 5fer against WI.
 
Pakistan has a very good chance of beating New Zealand in this series, primarily because the New Zealand batsmen weren't even threatened in that series against the West Indies. Their pacers were giving boundaries like free food, and they don't have a good spin department to fall back on.

Pakistan can challenge New Zealand to a very high degree, people over here are overhyping the batting reserves of New Zealand. Their bowling is their clear strength, and I think that the only way to counter this and get a better chance is to have batting until lower down the order. I'd play the squad:

Abdullah Shafique
Babar Azam (c)
Haider Ali
Mohammad Hafeez
Sarfaraz Ahmed
Khushdil Shah
Imad Wasim
Shadab Khan (vc)
Wahab Riaz
Shaheen Afridi
Haris Rauf

We have 3 good pacers and 4 spin options to fall back on if the situation is looking grim for pace bowlers. There is batting until 9, and this way, if we are to lose early wickets, we can at least put up totals of around 150-170.

Our bowling will have to be flawless against New Zealand. Babar has about 7 bowling options to choose from given specific situations, and he must make sure to use whoever he can to his advantage. If there's a left-hander on strike, bring on Hafeez. Morgan, Malan, and Moeen exposed our bowling towards left-handed batsmen, so Hafeez should be the way to go along with Haris Rauf bowling yorkers on middle and off.

The yorker is the most important part, along with fielding. We can't be giving cheap singles to these batsmen, and catching must be perfect. If our fast-bowlers can land the yorker well, we can dominate New Zealand. A lot depends on Wahab Riaz and Haris Rauf. Both can get pummelled if they don't bowl the correct lengths.

I back Pakistan to win 2-1. We have a good outfit, and we should be more than capable of winning.

Test matches should be more concerning for us. Despite what most people over here think, I am of the belief that if Naseem Shah does not produce a performance worth noting (minimum 5 wickets in the series), then he should be removed from the test squad, or benched.
 
We took him for 1-50 in 8 overs in the World Cup last year. he's a loss but he's not as good as you're hyping him up to be. Smashing WI is easy, there's a reason they're ranked 10th in the format. Even Imad Wasim has a 5fer against WI.

We negated Ferguson on a farmer pitch. Negating him on quick NZ pitches is a completely different challenge.
 
Ferguson is a huge loss. No Williamson in the first T20I either. Let’s see if Pakistan can go 1-0 up against New Zealand B.

When was the last time Pakistan played a full-strength opposition in T20I cricket? Hard to recall.
Two key players out doesnt make a top side a B team.
 
Ah yes, the same pitch where Shaheen ran through their top order.

You burst his bubble too soon, have some mercy man. For him every bowler is Marshall vs Pak and every batsman is Bradman. And then he has audacity to call himself the ultimate realist.
 
I think pakistan has a good chance of taking the t20 series they need to play this line up.

Haider ali
Babar
Abdullah
Hafeez
Khushil
Rizwan
Imad
Shadab
Wahab
Shaheen
Rauf
 
Rizwan should be batting at number 9

Rizwan made a case for T20I selection based on his performances in the National T20 Cup. And tbh as long as he keeps Sarfraz out of the side, he can bat at 11 for all I care.
 
Rizwan made a case for T20I selection based on his performances in the National T20 Cup. And tbh as long as he keeps Sarfraz out of the side, he can bat at 11 for all I care.

Okay fair enough rizwan can stay in the team and bat at 11 no problem
 
Ah yes, the same pitch where Shaheen ran through their top order.

It is amazing how how people in spite of posting for years on a cricket forum lack basic cricket knowledge.

It was a day match and Shaheen benefited from early morning swing. Moreover, his bowling style is also more suited to slow wickets compared to Ferguson.

It was a 240-250 par wicket and the amount of turn that Santner was generating, and nearly got Babar cheaply before the keeper dropped the catch, showed that NZ team selection was not right for the pitch.

They should have picked Sodhi instead of Ferguson and NZ would have had a much better chance of defending the total.
 
Two key players out doesnt make a top side a B team.

New Zealand is not exactly a top side like India/England/Australia. They are a step below.

If these two key players include the captain as well, then it is definitely a B team. They will not only miss Williamson’s batting but also his captaincy.

Anyway, it is irrelevant now because Pakistan will be fielding its Z team without Babar.
 
It is amazing how how people in spite of posting for years on a cricket forum lack basic cricket knowledge.

It was a day match and Shaheen benefited from early morning swing. Moreover, his bowling style is also more suited to slow wickets compared to Ferguson.

It was a 240-250 par wicket and the amount of turn that Santner was generating, and nearly got Babar cheaply before the keeper dropped the catch, showed that NZ team selection was not right for the pitch.

They should have picked Sodhi instead of Ferguson and NZ would have had a much better chance of defending the total.

So bad team selection redeems NZ but is never an excuse for Pakistan? Haha I need some of whatever you’re on.
 
So bad team selection redeems NZ but is never an excuse for Pakistan? Haha I need some of whatever you’re on.

When you lose to superior sides, you cannot blame bad selection because even our good selection will not be sufficient most of the times.
 
The Southland cricketing fraternity is buzzing as one of its own prepares to step into the bright lights of the international twenty20 arena.

Jacob Duffy was on Saturday named in the Black Caps squad for the first of three twenty20 internationals against Pakistan in Auckland on Friday night.

The 26-year-old is set to become the first Southlander to debut for New Zealand in international cricket since Jeff Wilson in 1993.

Prior to that, you would have to go back to 1981 when Southland’s Brian McKechnie faced the underarm ball against Australia.

Duffy, who was born in Lumsden, progressed through the Southland age-group cricket system, played first XI cricket for Southland Boys’ High School, and lined up for the Metropolitan Cricket Club in Invercargill.

Southland Cricket Association president Gerry Ward said he has followed Duffy’s progress from a primary schoolboy in Lumsden and was delighted to see him now get his opportunity with the Black Caps.

“From a Southland Cricket Association point of view, it is great that young players can now see there is a pathway if you are persistent and work hard at,” Ward said.

“He still recognises himself as a Southlander and if he had the opportunity to play more Hawke Cup cricket for Southland he would. Everyone [in Southland] that I’ve talked to is really pleased for him.”

He burst onto the scene in 2012 when he was selected as a 17-year-old to play for the Otago Volts in a domestic twenty20 game against the Northern Knights.

Duffy, who is a product of the Academy Southland talent development program, captured the attention of many when he took three for 19 from his four overs in that debut game as a teenager.

For the past nine years, Duffy has been a regular fixture in the Otago Volts setup, although it hasn’t been all smiles.

In December 2016 Volts coach Rob Walter took the unique approach to send the Southland bowler to the nets to fix his action rather than play him in games.

Walter wanted him to re-adjust his action outside bowling in the game situation.

After three months off from playing Duffy returned and hasn’t looked back.

Ward wondered at the time how that period of uncertainty might have impacted Duffy's career, but on reflection, he said it would have to be regarded as a turning point in his career.

Duffy has gone on to captain the Volts and become a regular fixture in the New Zealand A team this year. It has included him captaining New Zealand A against West Indies A recently.

“He’s matured a lot, he’s got a good mature head on him. He's a very humble guy as well.”

Duffy’s opening to impress playing for the Black Caps is a small one given he has only been named for the first twenty20 game.

He comes in as cover for Trent Boult and Tim Southee who are being rested for Friday night’s game in Auckland, while Lochie Ferguson has also been ruled out because of injury.

Duffy will join the Black Caps squad in Auckland on Tuesday and New Zealand selector Gavin Larsen is pleased for the Southlander.

“It’s a special time for Jacob who’s taken his game to another level this summer and I know he’s excited to join the Black Caps camp for the first time.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/crick...zzing-after-jacob-duffys-black-caps-selection
 
It is amazing how how people in spite of posting for years on a cricket forum lack basic cricket knowledge.

It was a day match and Shaheen benefited from early morning swing. Moreover, his bowling style is also more suited to slow wickets compared to Ferguson.

It was a 240-250 par wicket and the amount of turn that Santner was generating, and nearly got Babar cheaply before the keeper dropped the catch, showed that NZ team selection was not right for the pitch.

They should have picked Sodhi instead of Ferguson and NZ would have had a much better chance of defending the total.

The ball didn't swing an inch. Shaheen was getting movement off the pitch which has nothing to do with overhead conditions. You can watch the highlights. Shaheen didn't even develop his inswinger until later in 2019, against Sri Lanka in the tests. Even if what you were saying was true, it wouldn't make one bowler go for less than 30 runs in 10 overs, and another go for 50 at greater than 6RPO.

Suddenly when Pakistan does well it becomes an easy pitch :))
 
Veteran batsman Ross Taylor’s Twenty20 international cricket career is in limbo after he was dropped from the Black Caps squad to face Pakistan.

Taylor’s absence was a major talking point of the 18-man squad named for three matches starting next Friday in Auckland, along with star fast bowler Lockie Ferguson who is awaiting further medical advice after suffering a bone stress injury in his back in a potential major blow for the side.

Fellow pace bowler Hamish Bennett was also ruled out of the series after suffering an abdominal muscle tear.

The test players against West Indies won’t feature in game one at Eden Park, meaning Otago seamer Jacob Duffy is in line for a T20 international debut while legspinner Todd Astle and seamer Blair Tickner return to the squad. Tickner, batsman Mark Chapman and allrounder Doug Bracewell are in for game one only, where Mitchell Santner will lead the side.

Regular captain Kane Williamson is set to return for games two and three in Hamilton and Napier, pending the arrival of his first child which saw him miss the current test in Wellington.

That means Taylor misses out after playing his 102nd T20 international against West Indies in Tauranga, where Glenn Phillips and Devon Conway were outstanding in the New Zealand top order.

“We were thrilled Glenn and Devon were able to take their opportunities so well in the previous series and we’re keen to give them the chance to back that up against a strong Pakistan T20 outfit,” selector Gavin Larsen said in a statement.

“Their inclusion and the return of Kane means we’ve left out Ross Taylor. This was, as you’d imagine, a very tough decision as Ross has been a consistent performer for us, but unfortunately we just couldn’t find room in the squad for him due to the quality and form of the other batsmen.”

At 36 it could be a struggle for Taylor to return to the T20 side, having become the first cricketer to play 100 matches in all three formats. He recently stated a desire to play the 2023 World Cup in India which means T20 might be the format to scale back on to ensure his longevity.

Senior swing bowler Trent Boult also returns for the final two matches.

Ferguson’s injury is a worry, after he was devastating against West Indies.

Scans revealed a bone stress injury of Ferguson’s lumbar spine. More details of his expected time on the sidelines will be known once the results of further imaging are available. It could range from several weeks to several months.

“The injury to Lockie is obviously a concern considering what he brings to our bowling attack and we’re awaiting more information around his rehabilitation,” Larsen said.

That opens the door for Duffy, who captained New Zealand A in their innings victory over West Indies A last week.

Now 26, the Southlander made his first-class debut back in 2012 and consistently impressed at domestic level but is yet to make his first Black Caps appearance.

Said Larsen: “It’s a special time for Jacob who’s taken his game to another level this summer and I know he’s excited to join the Black Caps camp for the first time.”

Black Caps Twenty20 squad to face Pakistan:

Game one: Mitchell Santner (captain), Martin Guptill, Tim Seifert, Devon Conway, Glenn Phillips, Mark Chapman, Jimmy Neesham, Doug Bracewell, Todd Astle, Ish Sodhi, Scott Kuggeleijn, Jacob Duffy, Blair Tickner.

Games two and three: Kane Williamson (captain), Guptill, Seifert, Conway, Phillips, Neesham, Daryl Mitchell, Kyle Jamieson, Astle, Sodhi, Kuggeleijn, Tim Southee, Trent Boult.

Schedule:

Friday: 1st T20 at Eden Park, Auckland, 7pm

December 20: 2nd T20 at Seddon Park, Hamilton, 7pm

December 22: 3rd T20 at McLean Park, Napier, 7pm

https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket...out-of-black-caps-twenty20-squad-for-pakistan

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Boult & Williamson return to T20 squad, Conway & Phillips retain batting spots | Ferguson & Bennett ruled out

The blazing bats of Glenn Phillips and Devon Conway are once again set to light up the BLACKCAPS T20 top-order in the upcoming three-game series against Pakistan, which starts on Friday night at Eden Park.

The duo were involved in a T20I world-record, third-wicket stand of 181 against the West Indies less than a fortnight ago and have been rewarded with selection in a T20 extended squad - which also features the return of Kane Williamson and Trent Boult.

With the T20 series scheduled to start just three days after the current Test in Wellington, Williamson and Boult along with Tim Southee, Kyle Jamieson and Daryl Mitchell will only be available for the second and third games of the series: in Hamilton on Sunday December 20 and in Napier, Tuesday December 22, respectively.

Auckland Aces speedster Lockie Ferguson was withdrawn from the squad after scans revealed a bone stress injury of his lumbar spine. More details of his expected rehabilitation time will be known once the results of further imaging are available.

Wellington Firebirds paceman Hamish Bennett was also ruled out of the series with an abdominal tear sustained in round three of the Ford Trophy. He’ll target a return to play in the Dream11 Super Smash which gets underway on December 24.

Otago Volts pace bowler Jacob Duffy has earned his first call-up to the BLACKCAPS after impressive performances in domestic cricket and for New Zealand A. The 26-year-old’s been selected for the first game and will assemble with the squad in Auckland on Tuesday December 15.

After having his first game as captain washed out after 2.2 overs, Mitchell Santner will take the skipper’s arm band for the series opener at Eden Park, before taking his first break since leaving for the Caribbean Premier League back in August.

His spinning spot will be backed up by leg-spinning incumbent Ish Sodhi and the recalled Todd Astle, whose last T20I came against Sri Lanka in September last year, when he claimed 3-28 in a losing cause in Pallekele.

Blair Tickner, Mark Chapman and Doug Bracewell are included for game one of the series, before making way for the Test players to return.

Selector Gavin Larsen said this was one of the more challenging squads he’s had to select.

“A combination of form, injuries and the overlapping of series has certainly added some complexity to this announcement,” he conceded.

“I’d like to acknowledge the commitment of the all the players who are having to show a large degree of flexibility and understanding this summer.

“It’s great to have the class of Kane and Trent returning to our T20 side having missed the West Indies series after their starring roles in the IPL in November.

“Kane will return and lead the side for games two and three, but we’ll obviously need to take a wait and see approach in relation to the arrival of his and Sarah’s first child. Mark Chapman’s in the squad for the opening match at Eden Park and is on stand-by for Kane for the remaining games of the series.

“We were thrilled Glenn and Devon were able to take their opportunities so well in the previous series and we’re keen to give them the chance to back that up against a strong Pakistan T20 outfit.

“Their inclusion and the return of Kane means we’ve left out Ross Taylor. This was, as you’d imagine, a very tough decision as Ross has been a consistent performer for us, but unfortunately we just couldn’t find room in the squad for him due to the quality and form of the other batsmen.

“It’s a special time for Jacob who’s taken his game to another level this summer and I know he’s excited to join the BLACKCAPS camp for the first time.

“The injury to Lockie is obviously a concern considering what he brings to our bowling attack and we’re awaiting more information around his rehabilitation.

“We’ve got just these three T20 Internationals remaining this year, before what will be a star studded Dream11 Super Smash - where we hope to see all players present their cases for inclusion in the remaining T20I series against Australia and Bangladesh in February and March.”

BLACKCAPS T20 SQUAD GAME 1
Mitchell Santner (c)
Todd Astle
Doug Bracewell
Mark Chapman
Devon Conway
Jacob Duffy
Martin Guptill
Scott Kuggeleijn
Jimmy Neesham
Glenn Phillips
Tim Seifert (wk)
Ish Sodhi
Blair Tickner

BLACKCAPS T20 SQUAD GAMES 2 & 3
Kane Williamson (c)
Todd Astle
Trent Boult
Devon Conway
Martin Guptill
Kyle Jamieson
Scott Kuggeleijn
Daryl Mitchell
Jimmy Neesham
Glenn Phillips
Tim Seifert (wk)
Ish Sodhi
Tim Southee

Trouble for Pakistan with all these players returning!
 
Trouble for Pakistan with all these players returning!

Pak will definitely need to play some good cricket in the series to compete well. Batting performance like the 1st T20 would make it a pretty one sided affair.
 
What about Fakhar?

Our opening combo is the problem — both games the top 3 failed and we still reached 150-160. We aren’t at full strength.

New Zealand had players out in the first game. And they have Taylor and Fergurson not playing in the series at all. Don't act like New Zealand aren't missing anyone as well.
 
Fakhar vs Southee,Boutl, and Jamieson...........

You’d have said the same about Hafeez before this series. Fakhar is still first choice opener in limited overs, no matter how hyped a youngster is. The fragility of the top 3 in the last two T20s is testament to this.
 
New Zealand had players out in the first game. And they have Taylor and Fergurson not playing in the series at all. Don't act like New Zealand aren't missing anyone as well.

I’m not. I’m just saying we weren’t at full strength either (and I’m not bringing up obvious selection errors like Rizwan).
 
Jamieson was dealt with today. So was Boult and Kuggeliejn.

Decent performance against some good bowlers but there is always one that is denting us too much.

Plus our bowling looks too flat on flat decks
 
At home, a full strength New Zealand side still beats a full strength Pakistan side under Misbah

We played the full strength NZ side today without Babar and Fakhar, and with 10 players instead of 11 (specialist keeper). We still took posted 160 after our top 3 collapsed, then took it to the last over despite this being a 190 par ground.

The gloom brigade has had a lot of fun today, but there is no reason a full strength Pakistan team wouldn’t have beat a full strength New Zealand, whether Misbah is involved or not.
 
We played the full strength NZ side today without Babar and Fakhar, and with 10 players instead of 11 (specialist keeper). We still took posted 160 after our top 3 collapsed, then took it to the last over despite this being a 190 par ground.

The gloom brigade has had a lot of fun today, but there is no reason a full strength Pakistan team wouldn’t have beat a full strength New Zealand, whether Misbah is involved or not.
No Lockie (our best bowler in LOIs) and the team cruising it after the game was won after 9 overs.

The score flatters Pakistan given Kane and Seifert took the last 4 overs in 0.25 gear when they could have finished the game in 3-4 shots especially with how much fire power we still had left.
 
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We needed a run a ball after 4-5 overs. That's 3-4 shots and game over, instead they chose to muck around and take it deep when it could have been done in an over.

This was a 190-200 pitch, Aus and England would have scored that or more on it and it would have been a difficult chase.
 
New Zealand had players out in the first game. And they have Taylor and Fergurson not playing in the series at all. Don't act like New Zealand aren't missing anyone as well.
Taylor isn't in a full strength team, this team was only missing Lockie but he's a different level to the others and is the enforcer who would have pushed the Pakistani batsmen back.
 
No Lockie (our best bowler in LOIs) and the team cruising it after the game was won after 9 overs.

The score flatters Pakistan given Kane and Seifert took the last 4 overs in 0.5 gear when they could have finished the game in 3-4 shots.

I have a lot of respect for New Zealand’s remaining bowlers though. The bowling attack doesn’t rely on Lockie the way Pakistan’s batting depends on Babar and Fakhar combined.

And indeed, the score does flatter Pakistan, but the fact that it was taken to the last over indicates that if our top order had performed, a score of 180-190 could have put NZ in a spot of bother.

Credit to Kane and Seifert for pacing the innings excellently, I just don’t think Pakistan bowled as badly as people tend to suggest. The game was lost before we ever bowled a ball, with 160 way too low of a target on a 195 par ground.
 
I have a lot of respect for New Zealand’s remaining bowlers though. The bowling attack doesn’t rely on Lockie the way Pakistan’s batting depends on Babar and Fakhar combined.

And indeed, the score does flatter Pakistan, but the fact that it was taken to the last over indicates that if our top order had performed, a score of 180-190 could have put NZ in a spot of bother.

Credit to Kane and Seifert for pacing the innings excellently, I just don’t think Pakistan bowled as badly as people tend to suggest. The game was lost before we ever bowled a ball, with 160 way too low of a target on a 195 par ground.
Lockie is a different level these days, I wanted to see him against better opposition to see if he really has made a jump up a level or two or whether it was the level of opposition he was playing against in the WI.

Dude is a beast and brings something the others possibly can't :akhtar

 
Can’t base anything vs West Indies these days.

They are the side that’s most generous in gifitingn opposition record after records...


Like the fastest centuries in odis and t20’s are all vs the joke of a side that’s West Indies.

Only team that struggles time to time with them is England for some unknown reason.
 
[MENTION=137484]Ashmal[/MENTION]

I hope you saw Williamson bat yesterday.
 
Lockie is a different level these days, I wanted to see him against better opposition to see if he really has made a jump up a level or two or whether it was the level of opposition he was playing against in the WI.

Dude is a beast and brings something the others possibly can't :akhtar


That’s a special delivery indeed!
 
I have a lot of respect for New Zealand’s remaining bowlers though. The bowling attack doesn’t rely on Lockie the way Pakistan’s batting depends on Babar and Fakhar combined.

And indeed, the score does flatter Pakistan, but the fact that it was taken to the last over indicates that if our top order had performed, a score of 180-190 could have put NZ in a spot of bother.

Credit to Kane and Seifert for pacing the innings excellently, I just don’t think Pakistan bowled as badly as people tend to suggest. The game was lost before we ever bowled a ball, with 160 way too low of a target on a 195 par ground.

We missed Babar but I am just being honest. I think New Zealand would still have beaten us with Babar in the team. I don't think they are a good T20 team. But they are strong at home.
 
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