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Rumman Raees or Mohammad Abbas as replacement for Wahab Riaz?

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Havent seen a thread regarding replacemennts. If there is one my aplogise.


Anyways, who shoukd be the replacement bowler.
Abbas was called up for some practise with the white ball. Raees is being rumoured to join

Or maybe go out of the box and get rahat ali or sohail khan
 
abbas has taken wickets at tests but not LOIs, rumman has only played two T20s and has not taken much wickets

only btw two i would prefer rumman as he has more exposure to it as he has also played PSL and performed decently

some may prefer abbas as he has taken good number of wickets in tests which also makes sense and can be utilized as wicket taking option

but sohail khan is the only viable option and sami, rahat gul can also be considered if SK cant be accomodated
 
Seen some Facebook posts that Rumman Raees has been called up for wahab.
 
doubt they will send anyone

knowing the PCB they would have had no one on standby, Pakistan's last group game is next Monday
 
We need someone who can be an effective death bowler and Raees is probably one of the best death bowlers we have.

So I think it's a pretty straightforward decision that Raees should be picked.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
Honestly they should send a batsman, maybe Talat, let him have a hit against SL
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Bhai they are not giving the batsmen in the squad a chance and you want to send another batsman to just go sit on the bench. I would be very surprised if Shehzad and/or Hafeez are dropped from the next match. Sadly Azhar will play because of his "contribution"
 
Major said:
Or maybe go out of the box and get rahat ali or sohail khan
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I don't want them to go out of the box after seeing what that looks like on Sunday:))
On a serious note I would like to see them call up Rumman because good test players are not always good one day players (See Azhar Ali)
 
Raees is a big personality and has the smarts and character to do a job, but I just wonder if 50 overs is too much for a medium pacer. I would have preferred Sohail Khan if we were going to bring in a replacement, but seems like he has fallen out with the management. He's a big tournament player.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Raees is a big personality and has the smarts and character to do a job, but I just wonder if 50 overs is too much for a medium pacer. I would have preferred Sohail Khan if we were going to bring in a replacement, but seems like he has fallen out with the management. He's a big tournament player.
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You are right about Raees. He bowls up to his full potential and doesn't try to do things which he cant simply do. Stays in his limits, and fully utilizes what he has got to offer. But the question is how sarfraz will use him.
 
Are they actually replacing Wahab for the Champions Trophy or just in general?

His last performance should be his last in cricket. His career is pretty much over
 
Abbas but he is unlikely to get a game unless another player gets injured. Besides, he is probably only being brought in for the very unlikely event that we do progress from the group stages.
 
Major said:
You are right about Raees. He bowls up to his full potential and doesn't try to do things which he cant simply do. Stays in his limits, and fully utilizes what he has got to offer. But the question is how sarfraz will use him.
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I like Raees a lot, he has big match temperament like Hasan Ali. I know he's not that quick though so won't be a popular choice with many Pakistan fans. There would be genuine question marks whether he could be useful over a ten over spell but I'd like to see him given a run of games to show what he can do.
 
I am a fan of RR's character, but I don't really care at this point.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I like Raees a lot, he has big match temperament like Hasan Ali. I know he's not that quick though so won't be a popular choice with many Pakistan fans. There would be genuine question marks whether he could be useful over a ten over spell but I'd like to see him given a run of games to show what he can do.
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If Raees was an Indian, the Indian captains would had known how to use him up properly.

Problem in Pakistan is that the "pace" ego never stops. If you can't bowl 140+ your not good enough. This attitude alone is what cost us the last game against India. Arthur himself admits that Wahab's selection was based upon his pace alone.
 
Rumman Raees. Open bowling with Amir and Hasan with Raees as first change.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
Honestly they should send a batsman, maybe Talat, let him have a hit against SL
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HUssain Talat is a very good player of spin, and great replacement for Khalid Latif. But i think Talat needs to play alittle more domestic to become better.

I think his fitness levels are also not upto the mark.
 
Macho Mann said:
abbas has taken wickets at tests but not LOIs, rumman has only played two T20s and has not taken much wickets

only btw two i would prefer rumman as he has more exposure to it as he has also played PSL and performed decently

some may prefer abbas as he has taken good number of wickets in tests which also makes sense and can be utilized as wicket taking option

but sohail khan is the only viable option and sami, rahat gul can also be considered if SK cant be accomodated
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I'd have said the same but hes been getting better in LOIs it seems and had a very good tourney. Last took a 4 fer in a domestic LA game.
 
Sohail Khan supposedly wasn't fit enough for a 3rd spell in test cricket. But surely he can manage 10 good overs in ODIs?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Raees is a big personality and has the smarts and character to do a job, but I just wonder if 50 overs is too much for a medium pacer. I would have preferred Sohail Khan if we were going to bring in a replacement, but seems like he has fallen out with the management. He's a big tournament player.
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Misconception about Rumman, he's not a medium pacer, I've seen him bowl 140.
 
IndYeah1 said:
Sohail Khan supposedly wasn't fit enough for a 3rd spell in test cricket. But surely he can manage 10 good overs in ODIs?
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Yes Bhaarti Ji.


Atleast he can swing the new ball and bowl up not fearing to be hit on the up.
 
Macho Mann said:
abbas has taken wickets at tests but not LOIs, rumman has only played two T20s and has not taken much wickets

only btw two i would prefer rumman as he has more exposure to it as he has also played PSL and performed decently

some may prefer abbas as he has taken good number of wickets in tests which also makes sense and can be utilized as wicket taking option

but sohail khan is the only viable option and sami, rahat gul can also be considered if SK cant be accomodated
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Macho

Sohail Khan is borderline Fast medium. Best new ball List !A Right Arm bowler in Pakistan after Ali Imran Pasha & best FC new ball bowler after Asif, Ali Imran & Abass.

Rumman is medium fast.


I will go with Sherr Khan if not than Rumann. Only because Ali did not play PSL or PC.
 
Rumman raees any given day and twice on sundays. Unfortunately there isnt anyone better than rumman who himself is just about an okay bowler. His attitude and game awareness is good though which is why i want him in the side.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Macho

Sohail Khan is borderline Fast medium. Best new ball List !A Right Arm bowler in Pakistan after Ali Imran Pasha & best FC new ball bowler after Asif, Ali Imran & Abass.

Rumman is medium fast.


I will go with Sherr Khan if not than Rumann. Only because Ali did not play PSL or PC.
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How is sohail borderline fast medium? He used to be fast in his youth. Now as an old man in his 30s and after his back injury he bowls at 135kph peak speed in his first spell in one days and around 132 peak speed in his later spells. Yes he has good new ball skills but nothing extra ordinary.

Not to mention he is an atrocious fielder who cant bend down to pick up the ball. An embarrassment in the field if you may. Not a long term option either.
 
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TalentSpotterPk said:
Macho

Sohail Khan is borderline Fast medium. Best new ball List !A Right Arm bowler in Pakistan after Ali Imran Pasha & best FC new ball bowler after Asif, Ali Imran & Abass.

Rumman is medium fast.


I will go with Sherr Khan if not than Rumann. Only because Ali did not play PSL or PC.
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thats wht im saying as well

there is honestly not any option other than sohail khan himself

he can only be the one who should open with amir

rumman cant open so it will have to be hasan ali but i dont think hasan ali can take wickets
 
Madplayer said:
How is sohail borderline fast medium? He used to be fast in his youth. Now as an old man in his 30s and after his back injury he bowls at 135kph peak speed in his first spell in one days and around 132 peak speed in his later spells. Yes he has good new ball skills but nothing extra ordinary.

Not to mention he is an atrocious fielder who cant bend down to pick up the ball. An embarrassment in the field if you may. Not a long term option either.
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sohail khan was best PSL 2017 bowler

if he is so atrocious than does tht mean PSL is useless crowing useless bowlers as its best?

dont think so
 
Macho Mann said:
sohail khan was best PSL 2017 bowler

if he is so atrocious than does tht mean PSL is useless crowing useless bowlers as its best?

dont think so
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I said he is an atrocious fielder which he really is unless you can prove otherwise?

His bowling is okay especially in the first spell but as he is aging, he would lose his venom by the day. There are better long term options available.
 
aloo paratha said:
Misconception about Rumman, he's not a medium pacer, I've seen him bowl 140.
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That makes him even better in my eyes. Has the pace but prefers to use his brains when necessary. Not your typical Pakistan pace bowler. Anyway, I really like his celebration when he takes a wicket. He just stands there with his arms crossed like it's no big thang.
 
Both won't serve any purpose on these CT pitches.

They're flat, and trundlers - even those who can swing the dukes ball under ideal conditions - will be hard for them.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Rumman is a dream bowler. Eagerly waiting for his ODI debut. Love his celebrations. So much swag.
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I see your tactic - when you're not sure about someone, you post subtle sarcastic comments that serves a purpose. :najam
 
Rumman Raees or Usman Shinwari not Abbas yet, let him focus on tests..he can become our Hazlewood, dont want LOI bashing to ruin his confidence. Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq, Ahmed Shehzad, Yasir Shah, Mohammad Abbas and Wahab Riaz should only play tests where run rate has no bearing for obvious reasons
 
I would select Raees just for his personality and SRK nickname, of course I'm kidding but the guy is boss I'm sure he won't disappoint.
 
Madplayer said:
How is sohail borderline fast medium? He used to be fast in his youth. Now as an old man in his 30s and after his back injury he bowls at 135kph peak speed in his first spell in one days and around 132 peak speed in his later spells. Yes he has good new ball skills but nothing extra ordinary.

Not to mention he is an atrocious fielder who cant bend down to pick up the ball. An embarrassment in the field if you may. Not a long term option either.
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This is not True.


Sohail Khan's fastest delivery in 2015 WC was 146kph.


A borderline Fast medium pacer is someone who can hit 85mph ie 136.8kph. Not only Sohail is capable of that but He can ocassionally still touch 140, 141kph aswell.

Sohail did not bowl as quick as Wahab or Sami in PSL but he was relatively sharp only a few kph slower than Hasan Ali.


Because SK has excellent Yorker, slower balls, slower bouncer so even if he bowls at 130-132 kph in his last spell he won't have any issues whatsoever because thankfully He has got a bowling brain and reads the batsman well.


As far as fielding is concerned atleast He is a better catcher than Junaid, Hasan, Babar etc so I don't have issues at all. Most importantly he can bowl with the new ball. CT isn't time for newbies plus we don't have any Wasim, Waqar, Zahid or Shoaib in Pak at the moment so I would go with the best available option.


Don't forget the kilos he has lost over last 1 year which shows that even at 33 Sher Khan is willing to work hard and be professional.
 
Macho Mann said:
thats wht im saying as well

there is honestly not any option other than sohail khan himself

he can only be the one who should open with amir

rumman cant open so it will have to be hasan ali but i dont think hasan ali can take wickets
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Ideally if professionals set aside personal ego and grudges than it has to be Sohail Khan.


But Rumann Raees has improved quite abit in last 2 years under Wasim Akram so even Rumman would be better than Ehsan, Rahat, Imran, Mir or Abass.


Rahat, Mir, Imran & Abass are not suited for List A Cricket.
 
Hawkeye said:
I see your tactic - when you're not sure about someone, you post subtle sarcastic comments that serves a purpose. :najam
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He is just mad that everyone including you have turned against shuper duper epic phasst bowler Wahab
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
This is not True.


Sohail Khan's fastest delivery in 2015 WC was 146kph.


A borderline Fast medium pacer is someone who can hit 85mph ie 136.8kph. Not only Sohail is capable of that but He can ocassionally still touch 140, 141kph aswell.

Sohail did not bowl as quick as Wahab or Sami in PSL but he was relatively sharp only a few kph slower than Hasan Ali.


Because SK has excellent Yorker, slower balls, slower bouncer so even if he bowls at 130-132 kph in his last spell he won't have any issues whatsoever because thankfully He has got a bowling brain and reads the batsman well.


As far as fielding is concerned atleast He is a better catcher than Junaid, Hasan, Babar etc so I don't have issues at all. Most importantly he can bowl with the new ball. CT isn't time for newbies plus we don't have any Wasim, Waqar, Zahid or Shoaib in Pak at the moment so I would go with the best available option.


Don't forget the kilos he has lost over last 1 year which shows that even at 33 Sher Khan is willing to work hard and be professional.
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I have to disagree with most part of your post. I think it was post 2015 wc that he got that back injury didnt he? So its irrelevant to talk about his pace in 2015 wc. I think hitting 85 miles is strictly medium pace not fast medium. If he is few kph slower than hassan ali then it makes him strictly medium pace because hasan ali is what you would call just about fast medium. I cant believe that you are willing to excuse his fielding.

He might pick up some wickets if selected but then he would plague the team for many matches to come and become detrimental for the progress of the team.
 
Major said:
If Raees was an Indian, the Indian captains would had known how to use him up properly.

Problem in Pakistan is that the "pace" ego never stops. If you can't bowl 140+ your not good enough. This attitude alone is what cost us the last game against India. Arthur himself admits that Wahab's selection was based upon his pace alone.
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all indian pacers including BK and Pandya touch 140kph easily
 
sohail khan deserved to be there . micky has ruined the last part of sohails career
 
Rumman Raees and I have strong feeling he is more good than Fizz.

Even i think there should be Thread on Rumman Vs Fizz instead of comparing Fizz with Amir.
As Amir is different Class bowler.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Ideally if professionals set aside personal ego and grudges than it has to be Sohail Khan.


But Rumann Raees has improved quite abit in last 2 years under Wasim Akram so even Rumman would be better than Ehsan, Rahat, Imran, Mir or Abass.


Rahat, Mir, Imran & Abass are not suited for List A Cricket.
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Every Bowler should Stay Away from ATG Waseem. His Style of coaching make Fast bowler to Medium Fast , Medium Fast to Medium.
Was Bahi always ask to develop In-swing and Out-swing and bowler lose its line length and Speed , In Process of learning inswing and out-swing.
Coach should only Polish the skill set which blower have , Not try to reinvent him
 
Madplayer said:
I have to disagree with most part of your post. I think it was post 2015 wc that he got that back injury didnt he? So its irrelevant to talk about his pace in 2015 wc. I think hitting 85 miles is strictly medium pace not fast medium. If he is few kph slower than hassan ali then it makes him strictly medium pace because hasan ali is what you would call just about fast medium. I cant believe that you are willing to excuse his fielding.

He might pick up some wickets if selected but then he would plague the team for many matches to come and become detrimental for the progress of the team.
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I don't agree. Sonebody who can hit 140 kph and half of his deliveries are above 85mph is fast medium.


Sohail has had 3-4 back injuries. I think you have not followed his career. He has lost 5kph after last break down.


If we can digest attrocious catching of Hasan Ali than we should be willing to accept Sohail Khan giving away few runs too. Principles should be uniform for all and not biased.

Your best fielder is Rizwan. He is out because he averaged 10 in his Last 10-12 Odi's. Primary skill cannot be ignored.


Look at SK speeds in PSL.


I won't have any issues if SK is ignored for younger Rumman or Abass but to justify others I won't revamp bowling speeds categories.
 
iiqbal said:
Every Bowler should Stay Away from ATG Waseem. His Style of coaching make Fast bowler to Medium Fast , Medium Fast to Medium.
Was Bahi always ask to develop In-swing and Out-swing and bowler lose its line length and Speed , In Process of learning inswing and out-swing.
Coach should only Polish the skill set which blower have , Not try to reinvent him
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Rumman under Wasim has picked up 5-7kph atleast. So the arguments falls short.
 
Finisher said:
Economy of 4.7 in list A cricket.

More of a container/death overs specialist then a wicket taker.
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Averages 25 with the ball and has a SR of 31 which means he can take wickets.

In the 2nd last domestic one day cup he was amongst top wicket takers.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
the stats back him up, but my hunch is that they he wont suceed. Pak domestic bowlers are like Indian domestic Batsmen, almost all have amazing stats
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It's not stats buddy. We have all seen him bowl. His has loads of different variations. He was phenomenal in the PSL, so it not just a random bowler coming out of the blue.
 
Azlan Khan said:
It's not stats buddy. We have all seen him bowl. His has loads of different variations. He was phenomenal in the PSL, so it not just a random bowler coming out of the blue.
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yep and i reckon he will be a succes in t20s, in odis though i think good batsmen will have time to suss him out

If he is to play he has to be used smartly, 3 overs burts with before 4 at the end.
 
Hamza_ said:
Even in this Pakistan Cup he took a 4fer I think.
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I ll be ok with 2 medium fast and 1 fast medium pacers being part of CT team with only 1 RFM but it's too one dimensional.


It is between Rumman, Rahat, Sohail, Abass & Ehsan.


My Choice would be Sohail Khan. Rumman will be my 2nd choice .
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
I ll be ok with 2 medium fast and 1 fast medium pacers being part of CT team with only 1 RFM but it's too one dimensional.


It is between Rumman, Rahat, Sohail, Abass & Ehsan.


My Choice would be Sohail Khan. Rumman will be my 2nd choice .
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Rumman has been selected, Sarfraz mentioned this. Don't think he will be available tomorrow, But we might see him against SL.

Hasan and Amir should take new ball.
 
India lost a valuable player due to injury...just incase India-Pak final happens ....but well India still got shezad, Azhar ali, and couple others to fall back on in final in case it happens :)))
 
mp812rediff said:
India lost a valuable player due to injury...just incase India-Pak final happens ....but well India still got shezad, Azhar ali, and couple others to fall back on in final in case it happens :)))
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Hafeez is the real deal here.
 
mp812rediff said:
India lost a valuable player due to injury...just incase India-Pak final happens ....but well India still got shezad, Azhar ali, and couple others to fall back on in final in case it happens :)))
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If Pakistan manages to reach the final, that would be the day before Day of Judgement.
 
I think Rumman would be the best option out of the two. Rumman seems to be more of a Limited overs bowler where as Abbas is more of a Test bowler.
 
Hamza_ said:
Rumman has been selected, Sarfraz mentioned this. Don't think he will be available tomorrow, But we might see him against SL.

Hasan and Amir should take new ball.
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Good.


If Junaid is fit enough he should take the new ball with Amir and Hasan should bowl 1st change.


Shehzad out Haris/Fakhar In.

Imad out Fahim In.

Wahab out Junaid In.


Choke Africa Choke.
 
Syed1 said:
If Pakistan manages to reach the final, that would be the day before Day of Judgement.
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Pakistan will beat SA if SA chokes. Will triumph SL because of the confidence booster.

NZ are our Semifinal bunny. We will have a tight finish with Green team winning.


Pak vs India final. This time Safraz will open and Sarfraz Dhoka nai dey ga.


Go Sabz Go.
 
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