What's new

Russia invades Ukraine

Exports soared by 60% in the first half of the year.

Russia delivered a record daily volume of gas to China via the Power of Siberia pipeline on Sunday, energy giant Gazprom announced.

Haha! Who needs Europe when you have China!
 
Exports soared by 60% in the first half of the year.

Russia delivered a record daily volume of gas to China via the Power of Siberia pipeline on Sunday, energy giant Gazprom announced.

Haha! Who needs Europe when you have China!

Absolutely. Everything backfiring on Europe with this pathetic stance.
 
Absolutely. Everything backfiring on Europe with this pathetic stance.

I think the problem is that European leaders are reasonable, just and decent people who think that everyone else is reasonable, just and decent too. They have acted under the assumption that Putin is a responsible leader of his people and will respond to stop their pain. In fact, he doesn't care. All he wants is to re-establish the 19th century Russian Empire.

To fight monsters like Putin you need people who have actually fought in wars. I think the last British PM who fought in a war was Jim Callaghan. So it would have made sense for the Tories to elect Tom Tugendhat. But he's too sensible for them.
 
I think the problem is that European leaders are reasonable, just and decent people who think that everyone else is reasonable, just and decent too. They have acted under the assumption that Putin is a responsible leader of his people and will respond to stop their pain. In fact, he doesn't care. All he wants is to re-establish the 19th century Russian Empire.

To fight monsters like Putin you need people who have actually fought in wars. I think the last British PM who fought in a war was Jim Callaghan. So it would have made sense for the Tories to elect Tom Tugendhat. But he's too sensible for them.

That's hypocritical labelling Putin a monster then going blind, dumb, and deaf with other worldly matters which have been going on for decades which are still massively influenced by NATO and its allies.
 
Lets get real, Russia wouldn’t have halted Gas/Oil supplies to European nations had NATO members not imposed sanctions.

Europe is not reasonable at all, they try to overturn democratic results many times, impose harsh economic limits on trade, beg UK not to lower taxes, but turn a blind eye on tech companies like Amazon and Facebook, and above all are subservient to Amreeka.

I can bet EU is ruing the day they agreed to impose sanctions on Russia.

The end of the West is nigh.
 
That's hypocritical labelling Putin a monster then going blind, dumb, and deaf with other worldly matters which have been going on for decades which are still massively influenced by NATO and its allies.

So what? Pick your side. Then go and live there. Don't stay in the one you hate and moan about it.
 
Last edited:
Vladimir Putin visits Iran today for his first trip outside the former Soviet Union since the invasion of Ukraine.

The Russian president will meet Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, as he seeks to bolster the few foreign alliances his regime still enjoys.

Mr Putin has described Western sanctions against Moscow as a declaration of economic war, and is focusing his attempts at international diplomacy on China, India, and Tehran.

His visit to the Iranian capital is his first trip beyond the old USSR since he travelled to China in February.

"The contact with Khamenei is very important," said Yuri Ushakov, Mr Putin's foreign policy adviser. "A trusting dialogue has developed between them on the most important issues on the bilateral and international agenda.

"On most issues, our positions are close or identical."

An Iranian official told Associated Press: "We need a strong ally, and Moscow is a superpower."


SKY
 
Yup, the longer this war goes on, the more beneficial it is for Russia, BRICS+, and the worse it will get for West/NATO/USD.

Iran will join BRICS soon.

Meanwhile Biden went begging to Saudi Arabia to continue selling oil in USD. Hypocrite, like most of the West. Plus MBS pulled a master stroke when Biden mentioned human rights, Saudis showed pictures of Amreekans torturing Iraqis. As a bonus, Biden was caught lying, and his own reporters picked up on it. :)))
 
So what? Pick your side. Then go and live there. Don't stay in the one you hate and moan about it.

Wow! I was born here, but I'm not going to turn a blind eye on what's going on and say never mind. Like I said, i will never vote any of these parties because of their continued **.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Yup, the longer this war goes on, the more beneficial it is for Russia, BRICS+, and the worse it will get for West/NATO/USD.

Iran will join BRICS soon.

Meanwhile Biden went begging to Saudi Arabia to continue selling oil in USD. Hypocrite, like most of the West. Plus MBS pulled a master stroke when Biden mentioned human rights, Saudis showed pictures of Amreekans torturing Iraqis. As a bonus, Biden was caught lying, and his own reporters picked up on it. :)))

Yes, and its so glaringly obvious NATO and its ** doesn't influence anyone anymore.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Wow! I was born here, but I'm not going to turn a blind eye on what's going on and say never mind. Like I said, i will never vote any of these parties because of their continued bullxxit.

It’s not even the **, it’s the sheer daylight hypocrisy, and now people are waking up to the lies and deception of our Government, NATO, and of course Amreeka, all hell is breaking lose.

These co called Liberal Democracies say one thing to appease their angels, but dance with the devil on the flip side. NATO/WEST is guilty of EVERY SINGLE accusation hurled towards Russia, every single one of them, from human rights, to weaponising commodities and currencies, to waging wars, indulging in regime change, to invasions, to assassinations, to picking up personal off the street, to media propaganda - alas they believe they are saints because they are White and Christian nations. This is the crux of the matter, but frankly it isn’t very Christian of the West to indiscriminately bomb, destroy, lives and economies.

The audacity to force the Western ideology on others then claim freedom and democracy. Sickening.
 
Wow! I was born here, but I'm not going to turn a blind eye on what's going on and say never mind. Like I said, i will never vote any of these parties because of their continued **.

What is the point of moaning about it on here? If you want things to change, get involved and change them. Join a party and improve it from the inside, or start a new party. Don't expect to stay ideologically pure, as politics will always force you to compromise. I don't agree with everything my party does and says, but it broadly matches the sort of country I want to live in. Pick the team that advances your agenda the most. Have the courage of your convictions! - and start speaking your truth to actual power.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Yes, and its so glaringly obvious NATO and its ** doesn't influence anyone anymore.

It’s over for NATO. No more bullying weaker nations, now there’s a new Sheriff in town, and NATO doesn’t have the sand to front up, instead resorting to what it has always done best, regime change and funding wars.

The only man in the West that can end the war is Trump, so until 2024, Europe is heading to the dark ages, meanwhile it’s puppet, Amreeka, doesn’t give a damn. Poor Europe thinking Amreeka cares.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Reserve Bank of India introduces mechanism for international trade settlements in Rupees

“In order to promote growth of global trade with emphasis on exports from India and to support the increasing interest of global trading community in INR, it has been decided to put in place an additional arrangement for invoicing, payment, and settlement of exports / imports in INR,” said RBI

“Indian importers undertaking imports through this mechanism shall make payment in INR which shall be credited into the Special Vostro account of the correspondent bank of the partner country, against the invoices for the supply of goods or services from the overseas seller /supplier,” it said.

"Exporters, undertaking overseas shipments of goods and services through this mechanism, will be paid the export proceeds in Indian rupees from the balances in the designated Special Vostro account."

"This mechanism may enable Indian exporters to receive advance payment against exports from overseas importers in rupees. As per the circular, the rupee surplus balance held can be used for permissible capital and current account transactions in accordance with mutual agreement. The balance in special vostro accounts can be used for payments for projects and investments; export/import advance flow management; and investment in government bonds."

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...ettlements-in-rupees/articleshow/92806360.cms

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ion-in-hard-currency/articleshow/92838666.cms

The West does not even understand what they have done, the after affects will only be visible to them later on.
 
Last edited:
Wow! I was born here, but I'm not going to turn a blind eye on what's going on and say never mind. Like I said, i will never vote any of these parties because of their continued bullxxit.

You dont owe any justification for your right to speak and speak the truth.

We have it here in black & white, many Brits, also Yanks and Europeans who are white cry about Russia or others but openly support bloodshed which is of a far higher rate and more destructive.

If UK was fine to for Falklands war, invading Afghanistan, Iraq, or many others, Russia has a right to self defence on its own borders in its historical land and most importantly the people of this region want them to help.

Europeans lack the most important thing, ENERGY. Its the beginning of end to the good times in Europe.

Remember Europe became rich due to looting. Now its very difficult so in the only way is downhill now.
 
Looks like the Ukranian counter attack has begun. bridges out of Kherson are being hit, as is the Krupets border crossing.

Looks like the are planning on hitting the Black sea fleet in Crimea..
 
You dont owe any justification for your right to speak and speak the truth.

We have it here in black & white, many Brits, also Yanks and Europeans who are white cry about Russia or others but openly support bloodshed which is of a far higher rate and more destructive.

If UK was fine to for Falklands war, invading Afghanistan, Iraq, or many others, Russia has a right to self defence on its own borders in its historical land and most importantly the people of this region want them to help.

Europeans lack the most important thing, ENERGY. Its the beginning of end to the good times in Europe.

Remember Europe became rich due to looting. Now its very difficult so in the only way is downhill now.

We have the right to freedom of speech - to criticise our government without any fear or retribution - yet here we are with Liberals, who champion freedom and choice, telling us not to speak up or leave the country.

I do not find this level of behaviour shocking anymore as Liberalism is the face of fascism.
 
Toretsk — Ukrainian AF Ammo warehouse containing shells for US artillery as well as ammunition for rifles was blown up.
 
The “Product 305” missiles films destroying up to 250 foreign mercenaries of the “Foreign legion” in their place of deployment in the village of Konstantinovka of the Donetsk People’s Republic. Up to 250 foreign fighters, seven armoured vehicles, and 12 special vehicles were destroyed.

Video: https://t.me/asbmil/3082
 
Russki Foreign Minister says that they may have to press further forward and take more territory given the long-range artillery which Ukraine is deploying. Maybe a DMZ will be put in place.
 
I think the problem is that European leaders are reasonable, just and decent people who think that everyone else is reasonable, just and decent too. They have acted under the assumption that Putin is a responsible leader of his people and will respond to stop their pain. In fact, he doesn't care. All he wants is to re-establish the 19th century Russian Empire.

To fight monsters like Putin you need people who have actually fought in wars. I think the last British PM who fought in a war was Jim Callaghan. So it would have made sense for the Tories to elect Tom Tugendhat. But he's too sensible for them.

Exactly, model humans who only think and look after others interests.
 
<b>Ukraine war: Russia's Lavrov says ready to expand war aims</b>

Russia's military focus in Ukraine is no longer "only" the east of the country, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has said.

In an interview with Russian state media, he implied Moscow's strategy had changed after the West supplied Ukraine with longer-range weapons.

Russia would now have to push Ukrainian forces further from the front line to ensure its own security, he explained.

The US had earlier accused Russia of preparing to annex parts of Ukraine.

Russia invaded Ukraine in February, claiming falsely that Russian-speakers in Ukraine's eastern Donbas region had suffered a genocide and needed to be liberated.

Five months on, Russia has occupied parts of the east and south of the country, but it failed in its original aim of capturing Kyiv and has since claimed its main objective was the liberation of Donbas.

Since February, the West has supplied Ukraine with increasingly powerful weapons to use in its defence against Russian forces.

Mr Lavrov says that has forced Russia to expand its objectives further.

"We cannot allow the part of Ukraine controlled by [Ukrainian President Volodymyr] Zelensky... to possess weapons that would pose a direct threat to our territory," Mr Lavrov said in the interview with Margarita Simonyan - a well-known commentator on Russian TV and editor-in-chief of broadcaster RT.

"The geography is different now," he said, naming the southern Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions as Russia's latest objectives. Moscow's forces already occupy parts of both regions.

Mr Lavrov specifically referred to the Himars longer-range rocket system - supplied only recently by the US - with which Ukraine has had some success.

For two days running Ukrainian forces have used Himars to hit a key, strategic bridge in occupied Kherson, reports say.

The Antonivskyi bridge is one of two bridges that Russia relies on to supply areas it has captured on the west bank of the Dnipro river, including Kherson city.

The Russian foreign minister described the West's actions in giving weapons to Ukraine as an "impotent anger" and a "desire to make things worse".

The apparent expansion of Russia's objectives was also noted on Tuesday by US National Security Council spokesman John Kirby, who said Russia was already making plans to annex large swathes of Ukrainian territory.

He accused Moscow of using a similar "playbook" to its takeover of Crimea, when it annexed the Ukrainian peninsula by organising a sham referendum in 2014.

Mr Kirby said Russia was installing illegitimate pro-Russian officials to run occupied regions of Ukraine.

These new "administrations" would then organise local referendums on becoming part of Russia, possibly as soon as September.

The results of the votes would be used by Russia "to try to claim annexation of sovereign Ukrainian territory", Mr Kirby said.

Crimea was annexed by Russia in 2014 after a hastily-organised referendum - viewed as illegal by the international community, in which voters chose to join Russia.

Many supporters of Kyiv boycotted the vote and the campaign was neither free nor fair.

Similar votes held in other parts of Ukraine would almost certainly see a similar situation, with any opposition to joining Russia largely supressed.

Mr Kirby said he was "exposing" the Russian plans "so the world knows that any purported annexation is premeditated, illegal and illegitimate", and promised there would be a quick response from the US and its allies.

The areas targeted for annexation included Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Donetsk and Luhansk, he said - the same regions Mr Lavrov says are now Russian objectives.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62231936
 
China calls for ‘immediate ceasefire’ in Ukraine
All parties to the conflict should “sit down, calm down” and resume talks, Beijing’s ambassador to the US has said

China calls for an “immediate ceasefire” in Ukraine and the resumption of talks between all of the parties involved in the conflict, including the US and NATO, Chinese Ambassador to the US Qin Gang said on Wednesday.

Speaking at the Aspen Security Forum in Colorado, Qin said that the ongoing conflict in Ukraine was “spilling over” and causing “multiple crises,” including economic downturn, an influx of migrants, and energy and food shortages.

“So what China is calling for is immediate ceasefire, resumption of peace talks. All parties involved should be engaged, including between Russia and US and its NATO allies,” the ambassador said.

He called on the sides to “sit down, calm down to find a way out of [the] dilemma” which would be based “on the principle of accommodating each other’s legitimate concerns.”

“Only by doing so can we achieve peace and can we restore the security in Europe which should be stable, should be comprehensive, should be balanced, effective and sustainable,” the diplomat said, adding that this position was shared by other developing countries.

Ukraine reveals negotiation 'end point'READ MORE: Ukraine reveals negotiation 'end point'
According to the ambassador, Beijing believes that “national sovereignty and the territorial integrity of all countries must be respected” and that “the legitimate security concerns of all countries must be taken seriously.”

Meanwhile, two days ago, Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmitry Kuleba declared that peace negotiations with Moscow would make sense only after Russia’s defeat on the battlefield. By saying so, he echoed the remarks of EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell, who claimed that, “This war [in Ukraine] will be won on the battlefield.”

Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokeswoman Maria Zakharova responded to Kuleba’s statement by saying that the Ukrainian government did not seek peace for the country and, instead of talking with Russia, was choosing to sing along to Washington’s “tune.”

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov has previously accused the US and its allies of “actively betting on the continued war” and of not allowing Kiev “to think nor talk about or discuss peace.”

Moscow and Kiev started peace talks four days after the start of the Russian military offensive in Ukraine in late February. The sides have held several rounds in person in Belarus and then continued the talks via video link. In late March, the delegations from Russia and Ukraine met once again, in Istanbul. Since then, however, the talks have stalled.

https://www.rt.com/russia/559352-china-ambassador-ukraine-ceasefire/
 
That was never said, and you know it. USA demanded Bin Laden be turned over TWICE and the Taliban refused.

Simply not true.

The 1st phase was to overthrow the Taliban government and liberate the Afghanis.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001–2021)

Now, Bin Laden was 'officially' declared dead in 2011, so what were NATO doing in Afghanistan for another 10 years? NATO got their man didn't they? That's right, to install yet another puppet government.

Liberate and install democracy has been and always be the ** excuse of Western forces waging war.
 
That was never said, and you know it. USA demanded Bin Laden be turned over TWICE and the Taliban refused.

ISAF was there to support the growth of democratic institutions, and train the Afghan police and army to prevent the return of the Taliban.

Sadly, much of the resources were embezzled by local actors and the institutions never bedded down. It was shocking to see the defence forces and police melt away. I wept to see the Afghan women who had benefited so much under ISAF reduced to chattel for medieval religious nut jobs again.

Some cultures just prefer despots I guess. The liberal philosophical tradition of Locke, Franklin, Voltaire, Mill and Imrahim Sinazi don’t penetrate everywhere.

Trump signalled the pull-out and Biden went along with it. The former didn’t care about Afghanistan as there was no profit to be made, and I guess the latter wanted to stop American boys coming home in body bags. Without the US military, the ISAF effort collapsed.
 
ISAF was there to support the growth of democratic institutions, and train the Afghan police and army to prevent the return of the Taliban.

Sadly, much of the resources were embezzled by local actors and the institutions never bedded down. It was shocking to see the defence forces and police melt away. I wept to see the Afghan women who had benefited so much under ISAF reduced to chattel for medieval religious nut jobs again.

Some cultures just prefer despots I guess. The liberal philosophical tradition of Locke, Franklin, Voltaire, Mill and Imrahim Sinazi don’t penetrate everywhere.

Trump signalled the pull-out and Biden went along with it. The former didn’t care about Afghanistan as there was no profit to be made, and I guess the latter wanted to stop American boys coming home in body bags. Without the US military, the ISAF effort collapsed.

Typical Anglo arrogance on full display here. So full of its own self :facepalm:

Locals are so stupid who bowed down to "medieval religious nut jobs" instead of following the 'Muricans who were bombing their children by dozens per strike from the sky.

Lol, you talking about invaders coming back in body bags. lol. Talk with any veteran. The "Democracy enforcer" psychopaths took last sip of Afghan children's blood as they cowardly escaped and unsurprisingly no one was held to account https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/13/us/politics/afghanistan-drone-strike.html

"Russkis" are in Ukraine now! Go and enforce democracy there! Against an enemy who is properly armed! Bomb Russian schools and hospitals and see what happens! Vladimir Putin dares you!
 
Last edited:
Former Russian president lists ‘Western sins’
Dmitry Medvedev called out the US and its allies for their out-of-touch policies


Original text:
ИХ ГРЕХИ
(в чём Россия не виновата)

1. В том, что европейских дурачков цинично развели американцы, заставив принять на себя наиболее болезненные последствия санкционного удара по населению стран ЕС.
2. В том, что обычные европейцы будут люто мёрзнуть в своих домах этой зимой.
3. В том, что в Европе и США самая высокая продуктовая инфляция за последние десятилетия.
4. В том, что компании из государств ЕС и США потеряли свои многомиллиардные вложения в экономику России.
5. В том, что американцы избрали своим президентом странного дедушку с деменцией, который, забыв про свои обязанности, любит другую страну куда больше своей.
6. В том, что городские сумасшедшие, назвавшие себя руководством ЕС, окончательно утратили связь с реальностью и заставляют несчастных украинцев жертвовать своими жизнями для вступления в Евросоюз.
7. В том, что многочисленные политические проходимцы манипулируют темой восстановления государственности Украины в прежних границах в расчёте на новые военные заказы и распил денежных потоков, выделяемых киевскому режиму.
8. В том, что НАТО продолжает вопреки логике и здравому смыслу приближаться к границам России, создавая реальную угрозу мирового конфликта и гибели значительной части человечества.
9. В том, что после переворота 2014 года Украина потеряла государственную независимость и перешла под прямое управление коллективного Запада, а также поверила в то, что НАТО будет обеспечивать её безопасность.
10. В том, что в результате всего происходящего Украина может утратить остатки государственного суверенитета и исчезнуть с карты мира.
11. В том, что украинских преступников обязательно будут судить за злодеяния, совершённые против народа Украины и России.
Source: https://t.me/medvedev_telegram/146

Google translation:
THEIR SINS
(which is not Russia's fault)

1. The fact that the European fools were cynically swindled by the Americans, forcing them to take on the most painful consequences of the sanctions strike on the population of the EU countries.
2. The fact that ordinary Europeans will be fiercely cold in their homes this winter.
3. The fact that Europe and the US have the highest food inflation in recent decades.
4. The fact that companies from the EU and the US have lost their multibillion-dollar investments in the Russian economy.
5. The fact that the Americans elected their president a strange grandfather with dementia, who, forgetting about his duties, loves another country much more than his own.
6. The fact that the city lunatics, who called themselves the leadership of the EU, have completely lost touch with reality and are forcing the unfortunate Ukrainians to sacrifice their lives to join the European Union.
7. The fact that numerous political crooks are manipulating the topic of restoring the statehood of Ukraine within the former borders, counting on new military orders and cutting the cash flows allocated to the Kyiv regime.
8. That NATO continues, contrary to logic and common sense, to approach the borders of Russia, creating a real threat of world conflict and the death of a significant part of humanity.
9. The fact that after the 2014 coup, Ukraine lost its state independence and came under the direct control of the collective West, and also believed that NATO would ensure its security.
10. That as a result of all that is happening, Ukraine may lose the remnants of state sovereignty and disappear from the world map.
11. The fact that Ukrainian criminals will definitely be tried for the atrocities committed against the people of Ukraine and Russia.
 
Typical Anglo arrogance on full display here. So full of its own self :facepalm:

So you would prefer the medieval religious nutjobs who right now are presiding over mass starvation to a state which was succeeding and in which women were educated for the first time in generations?

You honestly think that is better?
 
"Russkis" are in Ukraine now! Go and enforce democracy there! Against an enemy who is properly armed! Bomb Russian schools and hospitals and see what happens! Vladimir Putin dares you!

Not happening for love nor money. NATO/WEST has feasted on weaker nations post WW2, and will never dare to go toe to toe with Russia - hence the outrage and fear among NATO members. NATO is all mouth, and a bully.

Heck, even the Cuban missile crisis was down to Amreeka parking missiles in Turkey, and Russia responded by parking nukes in Cuba. Amreeka blinked first.

China is siding with Russia, Iran, Saudis, India - BRIC+ is the new sheriff in town.
 
The West is governed and controlled by medival nutjobs as it is. Zionists and Christian NEOCONs. The religious lobby in Amreeka is the most powerful, and the alliance between Amreeka and Isreal is based on a Judeo-Christian alliance, where the Christians will help the Messiah return for the Jews.

But no, some cave dwellers in Afghanistan are considered nutjobs.
 
So you would prefer the medieval religious nutjobs who right now are presiding over mass starvation to a state which was succeeding and in which women were educated for the first time in generations?

You honestly think that is better?

Gosh, so predictable

No. Hell no.

But do I think the solution is to let bomb a poor people to oblivion to please some Zionazi or for profit of some Wallstreet capitalists?

Do you think that's any better?
 
Last edited:
The West is governed and controlled by medival nutjobs as it is. Zionists and Christian NEOCONs. The religious lobby in Amreeka is the most powerful, and the alliance between Amreeka and Isreal is based on a Judeo-Christian alliance, where the Christians will help the Messiah return for the Jews.

But no, some cave dwellers in Afghanistan are considered nutjobs.

The whole hypocrisy is so sad.
 
Not happening for love nor money. NATO/WEST has feasted on weaker nations post WW2, and will never dare to go toe to toe with Russia - hence the outrage and fear among NATO members. NATO is all mouth, and a bully.

Heck, even the Cuban missile crisis was down to Amreeka parking missiles in Turkey, and Russia responded by parking nukes in Cuba. Amreeka blinked first.

China is siding with Russia, Iran, Saudis, India - BRIC+ is the new sheriff in town.

(Probably I have written something similar in previous pages of this thread...)

When are we gonna see actual 'Muricans or British freedombringers drop with parachutes in Syberia to liberate the oppressed from the evil Putin?

Meanwhile the same hypocrites keep on overthrowing democratically elected governments for decades whenever it is in their own interests.

Oh yeah, they have put their own Zio-stooge in Ukraine and are regularly sending useless weapons to Ukraine so that young Ukraine boys keep on dying in an absurd war against a vastly superior enemy.

Every one of these psychopath animals is making money on the blood of mislead Ukrainians.

A thought of not having heating in July shudders them... :facepalm:

Either I'm mentally brainwashed by Russian propaganda or either these Democracy enforcers' flag bringers' lack critical thinking/objectivity 🤔
 
Oh and the ironic part is, the whole war is getting paid by the common people, some are paying with their money and other with blood.

Auntie Lagarede just raised the money's rate!
 
Russian And Iran Ink $40 Billion Oil And Gas Agreement

"Moscow and Tehran signed the $40-billion Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) just ahead of Putin’s arrival in the Iranian capital. The deal, in its preliminary form, will see Gazprom assist Iran’s state oil company in the development of both oil and gas fields and the construction of LNG project pipelines."

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-...ran-Ink-40-Billion-Oil-And-Gas-Agreement.html
 
Gosh, so predictable

No. Hell no.

But do I think the solution is to let bomb a poor people to oblivion to please some Zionazi or for profit of some Wallstreet capitalists?

Do you think that's any better?

I don’t recognise your description of what happened, which manages to be both hyperbolic and s gross oversimplification.

Firstly, civilian casualties ran at around 1000 per year during the ISAF mission - many of whom were killed by massive Taliban suicide bombs in Kabul.

Secondly, ISAF was authorised by UN Resolution, not Wall Street. Forty countries contributed troops including several Middle Eastern and Gulf majority Muslim states to fight the Taliban insurgency.

Would ten thousand civilian deaths be a price worth paying for a democratic nation where women have rights? Yes, if it had worked. But it was all a waste
of lives, materials, time and hope.

In my opinion, the civilians deaths caused by the saturation bombing of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan cities was a price worth paying for an end to continental genocide and mass slave labour, and the establishment of liberal democratic institutions in those lands and some of their neighbours - bringing peace to Europe after a thousand years of war and to parts of the Asian side of the Pacific Rim.
 
I don’t recognise your description of what happened, which manages to be both hyperbolic and s gross oversimplification.
How ironic!

Firstly, civilian casualties ran at around 1000 per year during the ISAF mission - many of whom were killed by massive Taliban suicide bombs in Kabul.
These were not casualties. At least as far as my understanding of word's definition goes.
It was plain murder doesn't matter if it was done by a Taliban or a terrorist psychopath from a Western country.


Secondly, ISAF was authorised by UN Resolution, not Wall Street. Forty countries contributed troops including several Middle Eastern and Gulf majority Muslim states to fight the Taliban insurgency.
Yep. Let's blame Afghan children's murder on the good ol' UN.
"Not Wall Street" :))
Pentagon spending has totaled over $14 trillion since the start of the war in Afghanistan, with one-third to one-half of the total going to military contractors.

A large portion of these contracts -- one-quarter to one-third of all Pentagon contracts in recent years -- have gone to just five major corporations: Lockheed Martin, Boeing, General Dynamics, Raytheon, and Northrop Grumman. The $75 billion in Pentagon contracts received by Lockheed Martin in fiscal year 2020 is well over one and one-half times the entire budget for the State Department and Agency for International Development for that year, which totaled $44 billion.

Weapons makers have spent $2.5 billion on lobbying over the past two decades, employing, on average, over 700 lobbyists per year over the past five years. That is more than one for every member of Congress.

Numerous companies took advantage of wartime conditions—which require speed of delivery and often involve less rigorous oversight—to overcharge the government or engage in outright fraud. In 2011, the Commission on Wartime Contracting in Iraq and Afghanistan estimated that waste, fraud and abuse had totaled between $31 billion and $60 billion.

As the U.S. reduces the size of its military footprint in Iraq and Afghanistan, exaggerated estimates of the military challenges posed by China have become the new rationale of choice in arguments for keeping the Pentagon budget at historically high levels. Military contractors will continue to profit from this inflated spending.
https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/papers/2021/ProfitsOfWar


Would ten thousand civilian deaths be a price worth paying for a democratic nation where women have rights? Yes, if it had worked. But it was all a waste
of lives, materials, time and hope.
Women just lost rights in the USA. Should the EU invade Texas?
Slippery slope. Change comes from within. But you already know that.


In my opinion, the civilians deaths caused by the saturation bombing of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan cities was a price worth paying for an end to continental genocide and mass slave labour, and the establishment of liberal democratic institutions in those lands and some of their neighbours - bringing peace to Europe after a thousand years of war and to parts of the Asian side of the Pacific Rim.
:)) This guy!
If this ain't "hyperbolic and s gross oversimplification"...


As they say there are none so blind as those who will not see.
 
I’m finding this thread profoundly challenging.

I have loved Pakistan cricket since the 1970’s, and I’m finding that posters whose cricket posts I enjoy (even when I disagree) have such virulent hatred for the west that they champion Putin’s war crimes in Ukraine, and clearly hate my country.

I never supported the Iraq wars, but I considered removing the Taliban from power to be a noble and heroic act. And clearly people who I consider to be almost friends as fellow cricket lovers actually hate me and my country!

I despise Boris Johnson, but I’m deeply grateful for his strong position against Russia this year. And proud of it!
 
Oh, and like [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION], I think that the carpet bombing of Germany in 1945 and the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were appropriate ways to end a war against the aggressors.

And I would remind you that, like now, in 1945 the Russian advance through Poland and East Prussia was characterised by mass rapes and systematic looting.

The USA and UK were just trying to get Germany to surrender. The USSR’s Red Army was just a giant gang of rapists, gang-raping every female aged from 8 to 80.
 
I’m finding this thread profoundly challenging.

I have loved Pakistan cricket since the 1970’s, and I’m finding that posters whose cricket posts I enjoy (even when I disagree) have such virulent hatred for the west that they champion Putin’s war crimes in Ukraine, and clearly hate my country.

I never supported the Iraq wars, but I considered removing the Taliban from power to be a noble and heroic act. And clearly people who I consider to be almost friends as fellow cricket lovers actually hate me and my country!

I despise Boris Johnson, but I’m deeply grateful for his strong position against Russia this year. And proud of it!

Because you are a pluralist thinker. Even a stopped clock like Johnson is right twice a day.

Digital thinking - they don't like some of what the West does (while remaining in it and taken advantage of its liberal freedoms) so they cheer for a monster just because he opposes the West.

Is it the religious mindset? Do they have to find an absolute right and an absolute wrong in any situation? So if the West is "wrong", Putin is "right" despite all the harm he has wrought?
 
Yep. Let's blame Afghan children's murder on the good ol' UN.
"Not Wall Street" :))

Yes, some businesses profit from war, and other lose.

I refer you to UN SCR 1386: http://unscr.com/en/resolutions/1386


Women just lost rights in the USA. Should the EU invade Texas?

Yes, women have just lost reproductive rights in eight US States, but they can get their rights back through the democratic process. And they can still be lawyers and doctors and teachers and so on. They have access to education. They have political agency - they are not chattel with no education, no rights and no hope of regaining them like the women under the medieval theocracy of the Taliban.

You see the difference?



:)) This guy!
If this ain't "hyperbolic and s gross oversimplification"...


As they say there are none so blind as those who will not see.

Now you are getting frustrated and resorting to slinging mud, instead of trying to change my mine with debate.

You would do better to challenge my argument about the saturation bombing of German and Japan with counterargument about how effective it was in shortening the war, or applying utilitarianism by working out how many more would have died in the Nazi extermination camps and the Japanese forced labour camps in China and Korea had the war run on for another year.
 
I’m finding this thread profoundly challenging.
Probably because most of what you were spewing out for the last 5 months has been proven to be categorically wrong.
I have loved Pakistan cricket since the 1970’s, and I’m finding that posters whose cricket posts I enjoy (even when I disagree) have such virulent hatred for the west that they champion Putin’s war crimes in Ukraine, and clearly hate my country.
You choose to believe they are war crimes, despite the evidence as far as I’m concerned being to the contrary. The Russians are going out of their way to reduce civilian casualties and damage to civilian infrastructure. As we’ve said many times, if the Russians wanted to hurt Ukrainian civilians there would be no function railway network, not functioning airports etc. The Russians have even allowed green corridors for civilians. These very civilians have later escaped to tell us the Ukranians were the ones not letting them out. Putin is looking out for the interests of his country and ethnic Russians in Donbas.
I never supported the Iraq wars, but I considered removing the Taliban from power to be a noble and heroic act. And clearly people who I consider to be almost friends as fellow cricket lovers actually hate me and my country!
Taliban were in Afghanistan… The Iraq war was on the false pretence of weapons of mass destruction. Ask the people of Afghanistan if they were happy with the war of almost 2 decades. You’ll find most of them were not. The same cannot be said for the people in Donbas, interviews and reports from the ground in Donbas show a huge majority of people very happy to see Russians troops.
I despise Boris Johnson, but I’m deeply grateful for his strong position against Russia this year. And proud of it!
His strong position was political and economic suicide. The rumours are that he was the one who told Zelensky to stop with the negotiations. History won’t remember the current batch of western leaders well. Instead of working to ensure the Minsk Accords were adhered to, they deliberately used them to buy time.
 
Probably because most of what you were spewing out for the last 5 months has been proven to be categorically wrong.

You choose to believe they are war crimes, despite the evidence as far as I’m concerned being to the contrary. The Russians are going out of their way to reduce civilian casualties and damage to civilian infrastructure. As we’ve said many times, if the Russians wanted to hurt Ukrainian civilians there would be no function railway network, not functioning airports etc. The Russians have even allowed green corridors for civilians. These very civilians have later escaped to tell us the Ukranians were the ones not letting them out. Putin is looking out for the interests of his country and ethnic Russians in Donbas.

That's just blotting out reality on your part. Look at the footage of wrecked housing blocks.

Taliban were in Afghanistan… The Iraq war was on the false pretence of weapons of mass destruction. Ask the people of Afghanistan if they were happy with the war of almost 2 decades. You’ll find most of them were not. The same cannot be said for the people in Donbas, interviews and reports from the ground in Donbas show a huge majority of people very happy to see Russians troops.

It was longer than that. Remember that there was an Afghan civil war in the late 1970s, which resulted in the Afghan President asking Moscow for military aid, and continued through the 1990s after the USSR left. Perhaps two million Afghanis died in that conflict and millions more fled to Pakistan and India.

Ask the Afghan women who had access the education and careers whom they were happier under. Ask those desperate people clutching the undercarriage of that Galaxy jet whom they felt better off with. Ask the Afghan refugees fleeing the Taliban whom they were happier under.


His strong position was political and economic suicide. The rumours are that he was the one who told Zelensky to stop with the negotiations. History won’t remember the current batch of western leaders well. Instead of working to ensure the Minsk Accords were adhered to, they deliberately used them to buy time.

Well, the answer to that is - liberty is more important than being rich. Better to be broke and free, than comfortable under a despot.
 
Afghanistan in the 50s and 60s. Women's rights, freedom, democracy. Yes you read this correctly.

https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2013/07/afghanistan-in-the-1950s-and-60s/100544/

There was no Taliban, until the West decided to wage war at the behest of Zionists, and created a political vacuum. Taliban appeared in the 70s.

Do NOT fall for the Western lies of liberation and democracy. The most 2 faced hypocritical existence of humanity known to man.
 
Don't forget, the same Liberal warmongering Western **** overthrew a democratically elected leader in Iran in the 50s. Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh. Once out, Uncle Sam, installed the Shah. Rest is history.

Zionists at work again, but no, the sheeple of the West will never accept the fault of the Western government whose agenda is under pinned by the Judeo-Christian ideology.

No Western intervention in the ME, no terrorism in the ME. FACT.

So save the lies liberals, your lot are warmongers and the only time you accept democracy and freedom is if its on your terms.
 
Don't forget, the same Liberal warmongering Western **** overthrew a democratically elected leader in Iran in the 50s. Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh. Once out, Uncle Sam, installed the Shah. Rest is history.

Zionists at work again, but no, the sheeple of the West will never accept the fault of the Western government whose agenda is under pinned by the Judeo-Christian ideology.

No Western intervention in the ME, no terrorism in the ME. FACT.

So save the lies liberals, your lot are warmongers and the only time you accept democracy and freedom is if its on your terms.

So pretty much what Russia's doing now... that your are championing?
 
So pretty much what Russia's doing now... that your are championing?

Nope. Totally different situation with Russia.

My point was on the wretched hypocritical West justify war by claiming they are liberating and instilling democracy.
 
ISAF was there to support the growth of democratic institutions, and train the Afghan police and army to prevent the return of the Taliban.

Sadly, much of the resources were embezzled by local actors and the institutions never bedded down. It was shocking to see the defence forces and police melt away. I wept to see the Afghan women who had benefited so much under ISAF reduced to chattel for medieval religious nut jobs again.

Some cultures just prefer despots I guess. The liberal philosophical tradition of Locke, Franklin, Voltaire, Mill and Imrahim Sinazi don’t penetrate everywhere.

Trump signalled the pull-out and Biden went along with it. The former didn’t care about Afghanistan as there was no profit to be made, and I guess the latter wanted to stop American boys coming home in body bags. Without the US military, the ISAF effort collapsed.

Your really trying my patience with this nonsense. This white supremacist rubbish is just that..rubbish..John locke was a racist as was the enlightenment and I can give you quotes..locke was also influenced by Edward pocock. But that's beside the point. You white men and women espouse equality then give us Prevent and the trajan horse guantanamo Bay and extraordinary rendition. You espouse freedom of speech until we speak for kashmir or Palestine.. then we become terrorist sympathisers.

You speak of us benefiting from the comfort of Western societies but ignore how you pillaged and murdered your way across our nations. Then when we confront you , you say wasn't me guv..you benefit literally from the blood of our ancestors. And you have the nerve to point fingers at those who raise legitimate questions at your hypocrisy?

You say ISAF was there to help the Afghans so why didn't they? You did nothing for them..nothing. their economy was non existent.. you sit here and give us garbage about women's rights but ignore the rights of thenwomen you blew up and who's sons you slaughtered all over these nations. What was ISAF doing in salalah? When you killed 26 Pakistani soldiers in cold blood.? To protect your death squads..

Do not sit here and moralise to us. You have no leg to stand on. Zero. You have a problem with putin that's your problem.. just another European war between a warlike continent built on the blood of their own and our people. Why should your enemies be our enemies..are we your slaves and lackies?
 
Nope. Totally different situation with Russia.

My point was on the wretched hypocritical West justify war by claiming they are liberating and instilling democracy.

How's it totally different? Russia tried to over throw a democratically elected leader by force.

Its the same. When the 'West' does it = Evil when Russia does it = 'its ok... cos the West do it'
 
Your really trying my patience with this nonsense. This white supremacist rubbish is just that..rubbish..John locke was a racist as was the enlightenment and I can give you quotes..locke was also influenced by Edward pocock. But that's beside the point. You white men and women espouse equality then give us Prevent and the trajan horse guantanamo Bay and extraordinary rendition. You espouse freedom of speech until we speak for kashmir or Palestine.. then we become terrorist sympathisers.

You speak of us benefiting from the comfort of Western societies but ignore how you pillaged and murdered your way across our nations. Then when we confront you , you say wasn't me guv..you benefit literally from the blood of our ancestors. And you have the nerve to point fingers at those who raise legitimate questions at your hypocrisy?

You say ISAF was there to help the Afghans so why didn't they? You did nothing for them..nothing. their economy was non existent.. you sit here and give us garbage about women's rights but ignore the rights of thenwomen you blew up and who's sons you slaughtered all over these nations. What was ISAF doing in salalah? When you killed 26 Pakistani soldiers in cold blood.? To protect your death squads..

Do not sit here and moralise to us. You have no leg to stand on. Zero. You have a problem with putin that's your problem.. just another European war between a warlike continent built on the blood of their own and our people. Why should your enemies be our enemies..are we your slaves and lackies?

Even you must admit... it was better than it is now!
 
How's it totally different? Russia tried to over throw a democratically elected leader by force.

Its the same. When the 'West' does it = Evil when Russia does it = 'its ok... cos the West do it'

Wrong. Russia/Ukraine is about Russia protecting its borders from NATO. Russia pleaded with NATO with regards to the Minsk agreement but no, your lot love a war.

Good news is at least you accept Western hypocrisy.
 
Even you must admit... it was better than it is now!

Duh! Of course it was, until the Judeo-Christian alliance intervened from the 70s. This is the entire point. Afghanistan did squat to the West. Never attacked Western soil, and how did the West respond? Same applies to Iraq, and Iran.

Save this horseshit than West are out to liberate, what stopped you from liberating Zimbabwe from Robert Mugabe? Oh that's right, your lot knighted him cos he was Christian. Never mind the mass murder of his people.
 
Last edited:
That's just blotting out reality on your part. Look at the footage of wrecked housing blocks.

The destroyed housing blocks have been used as shields by the AFU. You may not choose to believe that, but I do. If terror was on the Russian agenda, Kiev would look something similar to an apocalyptic movie. What do you have to say about the many leaked videos of Ukranian forces inside housing apartments, schools and hospitals? Are you deliberately choosing to ignore that?


Well, the answer to that is - liberty is more important than being rich. Better to be broke and free, than comfortable under a despot.
Where does this notion that Russians are not free as a people come from?
 
The destroyed housing blocks have been used as shields by the AFU. You may not choose to believe that, but I do. If terror was on the Russian agenda, Kiev would look something similar to an apocalyptic movie. What do you have to say about the many leaked videos of Ukranian forces inside housing apartments, schools and hospitals? Are you deliberately choosing to ignore that?

Good on them! They are defending their land from an invading army. You are blaming the victims here.

Where does this notion that Russians are not free as a people come from?

Because if they criticise Putin they disappear, either from life altogether or into a detention centre.

Because they have no free press due to at least two hundred journalists being murdered on his watch.

Because they have no free and fair elections, so they cannot choose their leaders.
 
Good on them! They are defending their land from an invading army. You are blaming the victims here.



Because if they criticise Putin they disappear, either from life altogether or into a detention centre.

Because they have no free press due to at least two hundred journalists being murdered on his watch.

Because they have no free and fair elections, so they cannot choose their leaders.

I've always been told democracy is the way, I guess you believe in it too. Democracy is actually usually choosing between two or three equally incompetent people who have pretty much the same agenda except for a couple of minor things.

What Russia have might be the best option, but what America and the UK have isn't much better. Take for example the next elections in the UK, you'll be choosing between Liz Truss and Kier Starmer...
 
I've always been told democracy is the way, I guess you believe in it too. Democracy is actually usually choosing between two or three equally incompetent people who have pretty much the same agenda except for a couple of minor things.

What Russia have might be the best option, but what America and the UK have isn't much better. Take for example the next elections in the UK, you'll be choosing between Liz Truss and Kier Starmer...

Well, Churchill said democracy is a bad option, it's just the all the others are even worse.

China is a one party state - they ask what is the point of democracy? - people vote for things like Brexit and Trump!

But liberal democracy is still the option which gives the citizens the most liberty and agency.
 
:))) :))) :)))

Liberal Democracy is a joke. It was Liberals who were hell bent on overturning and invalidating a democratic result (Brexit/Trump) and worse yet, blamed Putin!

Russia and China may not meet the Western hypocritical standards of government but boy their economies have flourished while the West drowns in debt.
 
Russia and Ukraine have signed a landmark deal allowing grain exports to resume from Black Sea ports after they were blockaded by Vladimir Putin's forces.

The deal was also signed by the UN and Turkey at a ceremony in Istanbul today.
 
The Central Bank of Russia (CBR) cut its key interest rate on Friday from 9.5% to 8.0%, citing a further slowdown in annual inflation and subdued consumer demand. The cut was bigger than predicted by any of the Bloomberg-surveyed economists.

While world economies are looking to raise rates, Russia is reducing rates.

Oh my, Western sanctions turned to strengthen Russia's economy!
 
Wrong. Russia/Ukraine is about Russia protecting its borders from NATO. Russia pleaded with NATO with regards to the Minsk agreement but no, your lot love a war.

Good news is at least you accept Western hypocrisy.

Come on, knock thr NATO rubbish off. It's NEVER been about NATO.

Putins already said he has no problem with FInland joining NATO
 
Come on, knock thr NATO rubbish off. It's NEVER been about NATO.

Putins already said he has no problem with FInland joining NATO

Finland and Sweden have just applied to be members of NATO; NATO wasn't parking weapons in Finland.

Why are NATO getting involved when Ukraine is neither a member of NATO or EU?
 
Yes, some businesses profit from war, and other lose.

I refer you to UN SCR 1386: http://unscr.com/en/resolutions/1386




Yes, women have just lost reproductive rights in eight US States, but they can get their rights back through the democratic process. And they can still be lawyers and doctors and teachers and so on. They have access to education. They have political agency - they are not chattel with no education, no rights and no hope of regaining them like the women under the medieval theocracy of the Taliban.

You see the difference?





Now you are getting frustrated and resorting to slinging mud, instead of trying to change my mine with debate.

You would do better to challenge my argument about the saturation bombing of German and Japan with counterargument about how effective it was in shortening the war, or applying utilitarianism by working out how many more would have died in the Nazi extermination camps and the Japanese forced labour camps in China and Korea had the war run on for another year.

I also wrote "change comes from within". That you choose to ignore.

The difference between you and me is that if it were Japanese or Nazis who would have nuked London or New York I would have been "debating" with some random Japanese or German mass-murder-defender.

Decades of brainwashing by chest thumping media produces these kind of absurd opinions.

I repeat there are none so blind as those who will not see.
 
“A beacon of hope’: Ukraine, Russia sign grain export deal

ISTANBUL (AP) — Russia and Ukraine signed separate agreements Friday with Turkey and the United Nations clearing the way for exporting millions of tons of desperately needed Ukrainian grain — as well as Russian grain and fertilizer — ending a wartime standoff that had threatened food security around the globe.

The deal will enable Ukraine — one of the world’s key breadbaskets — to export 22 million tons of grain and other agricultural products that have been stuck in Black Sea ports due to Russia’s invasion. U.N. Secretary General Antonio Guterres called it “a beacon of hope” for millions of hungry people who have faced huge increases in food costs.

“A deal that allows grain to leave Black Sea ports is nothing short of lifesaving for people across the world who are struggling to feed their families,” said Red Cross Director-General Robert Mardini, who noted that over the past six months prices for food staples have risen 187% in Sudan, 86% in Syria, 60% in Yemen and 54% in Ethiopia.

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and Ukrainian Infrastructure Minister Oleksandr Kubrakov signed separate, identical deals with Guterres and Turkish Defense Minister Hulusi Akar at a ceremony in Istanbul that was witnessed by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

“Today, there is a beacon on the Black Sea,” Guterres said. “A beacon of hope, a beacon of possibility, a beacon of relief in a world that needs it more than ever.”

“You have overcome obstacles and put aside differences to pave the way for an initiative that will serve the common interests of all,” he told the Russian and Ukrainian envoys.

On Friday, Guterres described the deal as an unprecedented agreement between two parties engaged in a bloody conflict. Erdogan said he hoped the initiative would be “a new turning point that will revive hopes for peace.”

The European Union and Britain immediately welcomed the agreements.

“This is a critical step forward in efforts to overcome the global food insecurity caused by Russia’s aggression against Ukraine,” said EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell. “Its success will depend on the swift and good faith implementation of today’s agreement.”

British Foreign Secretary Liz Truss said the U.K. applauded Turkey and the U.N. for brokering the agreement.

“We will be watching to ensure Russia’s actions match its words,” Truss said. “To enable a lasting return to global security and economic stability, (Russian President Vladimir) Putin must end the war and withdraw from Ukraine.”

Ukraine is one of the world’s largest exporters of wheat, corn and sunflower oil, but Russia’s invasion of the country and naval blockade of its ports have halted shipments. Some Ukrainian grain is being transported through Europe by rail, road and river, but the prices of vital commodities like wheat and barley have soared during the nearly five-month war.

Guterres said the plan known as the Black Sea Initiative opens a path for significant volumes of commercial food exports from three key Ukrainian ports: Odesa, Chernomorsk and Yuzhny.

“It will help stabilize global food prices, which were already at record levels even before the war – a true nightmare for developing countries,” Guterres added.

The deal makes provisions for the safe passage of ships through the heavily mined waters. A coordination center will be established in Istanbul, staffed by U.N., Turkish, Russian and Ukrainian officials, to monitor the ships and run the process through specific corridors. Ships would undergo inspections to ensure they are not carrying weapons.

A senior U.N. official said cargo ships would use “safe channels” identified by Ukraine as they sail in and out of ports and would be guided by Ukrainian pilots. The plan does not foresee a further demining of Ukraine’s territorial waters, which would have delayed the process.

No military ships would be used as escorts but a minesweeper would be on standby in case the safe channels “need occasional verification,” the official said.

Ships entering the Ukrainian ports would be scrutinized by inspection teams that would include representatives of all parties involved to make sure there are no weapons on board. The unloading of grain onto the vessels will also be monitored.

A key element of the deal is an agreement by both Russia and Ukraine that there will be no attacks on any of the vessels, according to the official.

It will take a few weeks before the deal is fully working, the official noted, saying Ukraine needs about 10 days to get the ports ready and also needs time to “identify and be clear about those safe corridors.”

An initial movement of ships could be possible before then “just to show that they can work,” the official said.

The aim is to export about 5 million tons of grains per month to empty Ukraine’s silos in time for the new harvest, according to the U.N. official. The agreement is for a renewable 120-day period.

Guterres first raised the critical need to get Ukraine’s agricultural production and Russia’s grain and fertilizer back into world markets in late April during meetings with Putin in Moscow and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy in Kyiv.

He proposed a package deal in early June amid fears that the war was endangering food supplies for many developing nations and could worsen hunger for up to 181 million people.

Before the deal, Russian and Ukrainian officials blamed each other for the blocked grain shipments. Moscow accused Ukraine of failing to remove sea mines at the ports to allow safe shipping and insisted on its right to check incoming ships for weapons. Ukraine argued that Russia’s port blockade and launching of missiles from the Black Sea made any safe shipments impossible.

Ukraine has sought international guarantees that the Kremlin wouldn’t use the safe corridors to attack the key Black Sea port of Odesa. Ukrainian authorities have also accused Russia of stealing grain from eastern Ukraine and deliberately shelling Ukrainian fields to set them on fire.

Volodymyr Sidenko, an expert with the Kyiv-based Razumkov Center think-tank, noted that Ukraine had not raised the issue of grain stolen from the occupied territories in the talks.

“Apparently, it was part of a deal: Kyiv doesn’t raise the issue of stolen grain and Moscow doesn’t insist on checking Ukrainian ships. Kyiv and Moscow were forced to make a deal and compromise on many differences,” he said.

The deal was also important for Russia’s geopolitical relations, the analyst noted.

“Russia decided not to fuel a new crisis in Africa and provoke a hunger and government changes there,” Sidenko said. “The African Union asked Putin to quickly ease the crisis with grain supplies and put pressure on the Kremlin, which has its interests in Africa.”

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-middle-east-global-trade-a2c89d94a0f8473b40a1fcde5710bda8
 
Last year, Ukrainian suppliers accounted for 10% of global grain exports. These volumes are crucial for developing countries. According to Kiev, however, the country’s grain deliveries dropped 55% year-on-year, to 777,000 tons, in June alone. The UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) estimates there are at least 20 million tons of grain currently stuck in Ukraine. If these shipments don’t reach their destinations, the FAO says at least 18 million people worldwide would face food shortages.

According to the World Trade Organization (WTO), food imports from the Black Sea region are crucial for the wellbeing of 35 African countries, which receive 90% of the grain they need from the area. Countries of the Middle East are also among Ukraine’s major importers. In 2020, most of Ukraine’s grain went to Egypt, Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Lebanon.

A good news in tough times.
 
Anglos can learn a bit from "Russkies" here.

Mind you, their hero Churchill was responsible for the death of millions in Bengal.

It is ironic that in some parts of world tonnes of food gets wasted every minute and in other parts these fat food wasters push for mass-starvation. Sad.
 
That was never said, and you know it. USA demanded Bin Laden be turned over TWICE and the Taliban refused.

This is what happens when your only sources are BBC and CNN.

The Taliban conducted a press conference after the US demanded OBL be handed over. The Taliban agreed but requested evidence of his involvement, as is the norm and protocol. Bush and US, refused to give evidence so Taliban refused as per their right.

You support the invasion of one of the poorest nations on Earth not just by US but also UK and the other dozens of nations. No Afghan ever attacked the UK but you still support 20 years of occupation?

Yet Russia who tried for 7 years to reach a peace deal with the Minsk agreements, saw thousands of Russians being murdered on their borders, Nato training them etc.. But Russia is not allowed to defend them and themselves but only US, UK and your glorious west?

Why dont you support US and UK sending troops to Ukraine to fight Russia as they did against the Taliban?
 
My understanding is that the Russian army itself has pulled back and are resting right now. The fighting is being done by the Chechens, mercenaries and mostly the LPR and DPR militias. The Russians are only supporting with artillery. But the Russians planning to send their own army in very soon. I expect the pace to pick up again in the coming days.
 
Anglos can learn a bit from "Russkies" here.

Mind you, their hero Churchill was responsible for the death of millions in Bengal.

It is ironic that in some parts of world tonnes of food gets wasted every minute and in other parts these fat food wasters push for mass-starvation. Sad.

No, the Imperial Japanese were responsible - for driving millions of war refugees ahead of their invading army into a province where the harvest had just failed. UK was rationing food and in a desperate fight for survival, yet Churchill was sending every spare grain sack, truck, aircraft and shell to Murmansk to help Russia.

And now your hero Putin’s blockade is going to starve 35 African countries, which you call “good news in tough times”.
 
Finland and Sweden have just applied to be members of NATO; NATO wasn't parking weapons in Finland.

Why are NATO getting involved when Ukraine is neither a member of NATO or EU?

Where and when has NATO got involved?

Why is Putin not bothered about Finland joining but was fuming Ukraine wasn't joining?

I'll tell you... he isn't. It was all a lie to justify a land grab
 
Good old Russia.... sign a deal to allow Grain to be transported from Ukranian. ports.

Within 24 hrs..... attack Odessa port.

Justify that one?...
 
Good old Russia.... sign a deal to allow Grain to be transported from Ukranian. ports.

Within 24 hrs..... attack Odessa port.

Justify that one?...

Quite easy.

Ukraine using shields to hold/transfer weapons or launch attacks from.
 
Good on them! They are defending their land from an invading army. You are blaming the victims here.

Well in a war if you decide to launch attacks from civilian infrastructure, store ammunition or even hide there, these locations become legitimate targets. They are not war crimes according to the Geneva Convention.

However good on them? Good on them? Have you seen the videos of the ladies pleading with the ukranian soldiers to move their equipment out of residential areas?
 
Where and when has NATO got involved?

Why is Putin not bothered about Finland joining but was fuming Ukraine wasn't joining?

I'll tell you... he isn't. It was all a lie to justify a land grab

Are you feeling ok? Who is supplying weapons to Ukraine? Mother Theresa or NATO members like UK or USA?

As I said, Finland is not a member of NATO. Show me where Putin said he is fine with Finland joining NATO? He has, in actual fact condemned Finland and Sweden’s NATO membership request.

Putin condemns NATO’s ‘imperial ambitions’, warns Finland, Sweden:

Helsinki and Stockholm joining NATO marks one of the the biggest shifts in European security in decades.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022...natos-imperial-ambitions-warns-finland-sweden

Remember, if NATO adhered to the Minsk agreement, there’d be no invasion.
 
U really do seem to struggle with the difference between members and organisation.

Nato had no involvement with the Minsk treaty. Only Russia ripped up the Minsk accord
 
Back
Top