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Russia has asked for a green corridor for troops out of kherson oblast.

Been told.... either total surrender or death.

That's what happens when u murder, pillage, rape and exectute
 
cpleigh said:
U really do seem to struggle with the difference between members and organisation.

Nato had no involvement with the Minsk treaty. Only Russia ripped up the Minsk accord
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Your ignorance and hypocrisy is unsurprising.

I guess it’s my mistake responding to someone born in the 00s.

Carry on.
 
Robert said:
No, the Imperial Japanese were responsible - for driving millions of war refugees ahead of their invading army into a province where the harvest had just failed. UK was rationing food and in a desperate fight for survival, yet Churchill was sending every spare grain sack, truck, aircraft and shell to Murmansk to help Russia.

And now your hero Putin’s blockade is going to starve 35 African countries, which you call “good news in tough times”.
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Don't twist my words.

Good news is the fact that struggling countries where food costs are rising due to this absurd war, might get cheaper wheat.

Talk about oversimplification and whatnot. The famine and murder of millions was due to the bloodthirsty British Crown/East India company etc. It was series (with an s) of policies (with an s) with no regard to millions of innocent Indians who needlessly died in starvation for the comfort of fat British ambitions.

Nearly the full output of India's cloth, wool, leather and silk industries were sold to the military. In the system that the British Government used to procure goods through the Government of India, industries were left in private ownership rather than facing outright requisitioning of their productive capacity. Firms were required to sell goods to the military on credit and at fixed, low prices.

Wikipedia
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Here are further details:

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.206311/page/n5/mode/1up?view=theater

It was an avoidable war atrocity.

https://newint.org/features/2021/12/07/feature-how-british-colonizers-caused-bengal-famine
 
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bones said:
Well in a war if you decide to launch attacks from civilian infrastructure, store ammunition or even hide there, these locations become legitimate targets. They are not war crimes according to the Geneva Convention.

However good on them? Good on them? Have you seen the videos of the ladies pleading with the ukranian soldiers to move their equipment out of residential areas?
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I don’t understand why you have a problem with this. The Ukrainians are fighting total war for national survival. I would do just the same if my land was invaded. I would not see the women of my family raped. If my house was smashed as the invader was repelled, so be it.
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
Don't twist my words.

Good news is the fact that struggling countries where food costs are rising due to this absurd war, might get cheaper wheat.

Talk about oversimplification and whatnot. The famine and murder of millions was due to the bloodthirsty British Crown/East India company etc. It was series (with an s) of policies (with an s) with no regard to millions of innocent Indians who needlessly died in starvation for the comfort of fat British ambitions.

Here are further details:

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.206311/page/n5/mode/1up?view=theater

It was an avoidable war atrocity.

https://newint.org/features/2021/12/07/feature-how-british-colonizers-caused-bengal-famine
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I didn’t twist your words, because your quote did not mention the UKR-RUS grain deal.

Clearly you haven’t bothered to read your own link.

You don’t read my arguments or even acknowledge them, so there is no point in my wasting more time on you.

Goodbye.
 
The EU will allow transactions needed for Russian state-owned companies to sell oil to third countries, the EU Council said in a statement on Thursday.

:))) :))) :))) The 'mighty' and 'richest' single market and political union has caved in to Russian demands. Did someone say sanctions!?
 
cpleigh said:
U really do seem to struggle with the difference between members and organisation.

Nato had no involvement with the Minsk treaty. Only Russia ripped up the Minsk accord
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Not true.

Yet another piece of knowledge you are confused of Mr Leigh.

Care to reply to my post earlier?

OR just answer why the brave Nato, UK and US dont send in their soldiers to Ukraine and take Russia head on as they were heroically quick to send troops to Afghanistan and Iraq? Surely Russia is a far bigger threat?
 
cpleigh said:
Russia has asked for a green corridor for troops out of kherson oblast.

Been told.... either total surrender or death.

That's what happens when u murder, pillage, rape and exectute
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Been told by who Sleepy Joe in a day dream? :))
 
cpleigh said:
I was born in 1983 you utter idiot.

Don't try and patronise me
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Ahhh millennial liberals resort to name calling once their lies have been exposed. Expected.

For the record, I don’t believe you; especially after your claim the UK was 2.3 Billion in debt.

Have fun regurgitating MSM.
 
The West/NATO are bullies. The tell tale trait of a bully is they prey on the weak, but run like cowards when faced with strength.

Russia has the West/NATO/Liberal apologists on their knees.
 
cpleigh said:
Russia has asked for a green corridor for troops out of kherson oblast.

Been told.... either total surrender or death.

That's what happens when u murder, pillage, rape and exectute
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Turns out this is more Ukrainian/Western fantasy. There is no encirclement.
 
Hungarian PM: “Sanctions have not shaken Russia, and Europe has already lost four governments. It is quite possible that events in Ukraine will put an end to Western domination, and a multipolar world order will knock on the door.”
 
2 Americans, a Canadian and a Swedish citizen were killed when a Russian tank opened fire on them during an hours long battle north of Siversk, their commander confirmed. The Americans killed were Luke Lucyszyn and Bryan Young.
 
bones said:
Turns out this is more Ukrainian/Western fantasy. There is no encirclement.
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Yup. It was some more propaganda meant to fool the western audience.

"Arestovich denied his own statement yesterday about the encirclement of Russian troops in the north of the Kherson region

The day before, he said that more than a thousand Russians are in a tactical encirclement in the village of Vysokopole and will soon be defeated. Naturally, all this turned out to be complete nonsense.

“Our people there are not quite successful and experience a certain lack of strength to close this story,” Arestovich is forced to admit, “Not everything there is favorable for ours.”
 
Russia has just shot up the Port of Odessa, in breach of the agreement they just signed to let 20 million tonnes of grain out.
 
Reddy said:
Hungarian PM: “Sanctions have not shaken Russia, and Europe has already lost four governments. It is quite possible that events in Ukraine will put an end to Western domination, and a multipolar world order will knock on the door.”
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He has always been a Putin Phanboi. A most unreliable ally who cannot be trusted to sign an Article Five declaration. Hungary should be suspended from the EU until they elect a government which shares EU values. If they want to side with the authoritarian bloc, let them go.
 
A military vessel and a stockpile of Harpoon missiles were hit during Saturday’s Odessa port attack, the defence ministry has said

The Russian Ministry of Defence has confirmed striking targets in the major Ukrainian port of Odessa on Saturday, revealing that its missiles hit military infrastructure and arms stockpiles.

“In the seaport of Odessa, on the territory of a shipyard, a docked Ukrainian warship and a warehouse of Harpoon anti-ship missiles, supplied by the US to the Kiev regime, have been destroyed by sea-based high-precision long-range missiles,” the ministry said on Sunday.
The attack also crippled a repair facility where vessels of the Ukrainian navy have been fixed, it added.
 
EU is a nazi regime in disguise, the 5th Reich, a nation can only be a member of the EU if the nation adheres to the fascist views of Europe. So much for liberalism, free choice, and democracy.

Ha. Ha. Ha. Right wing nationalist is about to become PM of Italy.
 
<b> Ukraine war: Russia denies causing global food crisis</b>

Russia's Foreign Minister, Sergei Lavrov, on a diplomatic offensive in Egypt, has dismissed claims that Moscow caused the global food crisis.

In a speech to Arab League ambassadors in Cairo, he said Western nations were distorting the truth about the impact of sanctions on global food security.

He accused Western nations of trying to impose their dominance over others.

Much of the Arab world and Africa is badly affected by grain shortages caused by Russia's war in Ukraine.

A landmark deal struck only this week to resume Ukraine's grain exports hangs in the balance after Russia attacked targets in the port of Odesa on Saturday.

Mr Lavrov will go on to visit three African nations to rally support amid anger over the war.

Mr Lavrov said that Western nations' "aggressiveness" in imposing sanctions on Russia indicated one simple conclusion: "It is not about Ukraine, it is about the future of the world order.

"They say everybody must support a rules-based world order, and the rules are written depending on what specific situation the West wants to resolve in its own favour."

Earlier, Mr Lavrov held talks with his Egyptian counterpart, Sameh Shoukry.

Egypt has significant ties with Russia, which supplies wheat, weapons and - until the invasion of Ukraine began - large numbers of tourists.

After his talks with Mr Shoukry, Mr Lavrov told a joint news conference that the West was prolonging the conflict even though it understood "what and whose end it will be".

It is the first stage for Mr Lavrov of a brief tour of Africa taking in Ethiopia, Uganda and Congo-Brazzaville.

In an article published by local newspapers in the run-up to his tour, Mr Lavrov said his country had always "sincerely supported Africans in their struggle for freedom from the colonial yoke".

He added that Russia appreciated Africans' "balanced position" on the issue of Ukraine.

Ukraine and Russia usually supply more than 40% of Africa's wheat, the African Development Bank says.

Egypt is normally a big consumer of Ukrainian wheat. In 2019, it imported 3.62 million tonnes of it, more than any country.

But in his article, Mr Lavrov rejected the accusation that Russia was "exporting famine" and blamed it on Western propaganda.

He added that Western sanctions imposed on Russia had exacerbated "negative tendencies" in the international food market that stemmed from the coronavirus pandemic.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-62284377
 
Russia did not shoot up Odessa. It was Nato as they want the conflict to continue.

Nato the cowards can only attack poor nations but are scared to go to war with Russia.

To ALL NATO supporters. Why dont you demand your brave soldiers and governments to send their soldiers to Ukraine to fight Russia?

No Nato supporting circus entertainer will answer this.
 
Human Rights Watch - which is generally viewed as being an anti-American entity - is reporting that the Russians have been using rape and indiscriminate shelling of civilian towns and villages to depopulate Donetsk, Luhansk and the south.

So while Russia claims to be "liberating" ethnic Russians, it is clear that it is actually trying to ethnically cleanse Southern and Eastern Ukraine of both Russians and Ukrainians, to leave the area completely unpopulated.

It is the East Prussia 1945 Red Army Playbook.

You identify an area that you want to annex, and then you rape and murder until the entire population is dead or has fled.

And then you replace the population with "new" ethnic Russians, not the ones who already lived there.

In 1939, the capital of East Prussia was Koenigsberg, which was 97% ethnically German and 2% ethnically Polish.

In 2022, it is Russian Kaliningrad, and the Russians have ethnically cleansed it of Germans and Poles, and it is 99.9% ethnically Russian.
 
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KingKhanWC said:
Russia did not shoot up Odessa. It was Nato as they want the conflict to continue.

Nato the cowards can only attack poor nations but are scared to go to war with Russia.

To ALL NATO supporters. Why dont you demand your brave soldiers and governments to send their soldiers to Ukraine to fight Russia?

No Nato supporting circus entertainer will answer this.
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I wish we would.

I would be completely in favour of the USA and UK launching simultaneous conventional strikes on Russia's military facilities from Konigsberg in the West to Murmansk in the Arctic to Vladivostok in the East. And also on the gas pipelines from Russia to the rest of the world.
 
Junaids said:
I wish we would.

I would be completely in favour of the USA and UK launching simultaneous conventional strikes on Russia's military facilities from Konigsberg in the West to Murmansk in the Arctic to Vladivostok in the East. And also on the gas pipelines from Russia to the rest of the world.
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Steady on. Putin is evil, but let’s not immanentise the end of the world.
 
Kherson will 'definitely be liberated by September' - Ukraine says
Ukrainian military officials claim they have reached a "turning point" in their fight to retake Kherson and will recapture the city by September.

Kherson was the first major city to be captured by Russian forces after they invaded Ukraine in February.

Ukrainian military officials have said they will use Western weapons to liberate the city in the new few weeks.

Sergiy Khlan, an aide to the administrative head of the Kherson region, said in an interview with Ukrainian television on Sunday: "We can say that a turning point has occurred on the battlefield. We are switching from defensive to counteroffensive actions.

"We can say that the Kherson region will definitely be liberated by September, and all the occupiers' plans will fail."
 
cpleigh said:
"We can say that the Kherson region will definitely be liberated by September, and all the occupiers' plans will fail."
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They are actually driving the Russians back? Astonishing if true. I expected Ukraine to cease to exist as an independent nation by the end of March 2022. Instead, Putin has got bogged down into a war that I don't think he can win.
 
Ukrop counteroffensive on Kherson failed with heavy losses for Ukraine

“The other day, the Ukrainian Nazis made another failed attempt to attack the Kherson region. Their attempt to attack failed. Firstly, the Kherson region is a steppe, and any movement of the Ukrainian army ends in unsuccessful attacks. Secondly, all their attempts only lead to heavy losses in the ranks of the Ukrainian army. The Zelensky regime is just mindlessly throwing people to certain death,” Kirill Stremousov, deputy head of the administration said.
 
Ukrop Servicemen of the 4th, 5th, 6th companies, battalions, 72nd separate motorized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine announce They don't want to fight. They want to go home.

Video: https://t.me/asbmil/3280
 
Robert said:
They are actually driving the Russians back? Astonishing if true. I expected Ukraine to cease to exist as an independent nation by the end of March 2022. Instead, Putin has got bogged down into a war that I don't think he can win.
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No they are not. They are trying to gather for a counter attack but that attack will fail. Reports on the ground and if you do some analysis suggest the ukrops are going to collapse. It is reaching that point because they cannot keep fighting at this pace and they can't rotate their troops. The Russians in some places are rotating almost on a daily basis.

There are now rumours suggesting the West are thinking of getting ridnof zelensky. Which would solve alot of their problems and create more for Russia.

They have fought bravely but it is unsustainable. Zelensky should use the time now to look for a ceasefire before he is gone or his country is done for..
 
Junaids said:
I wish we would.

I would be completely in favour of the USA and UK launching simultaneous conventional strikes on Russia's military facilities from Konigsberg in the West to Murmansk in the Arctic to Vladivostok in the East. And also on the gas pipelines from Russia to the rest of the world.
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What an idiotic post. Are you high?
 
Reddy said:
Ukrop Servicemen of the 4th, 5th, 6th companies, battalions, 72nd separate motorized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine announce They don't want to fight. They want to go home.

Video: https://t.me/asbmil/3280
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You won't see any of this in western MSM. Every few days there are bunches of these videos. Mind you if you present these to our resident armchair experts here, they'll claim that it's propaganda.
 
Reddy said:
Ukrop counteroffensive on Kherson failed with heavy losses for Ukraine

“The other day, the Ukrainian Nazis made another failed attempt to attack the Kherson region. Their attempt to attack failed. Firstly, the Kherson region is a steppe, and any movement of the Ukrainian army ends in unsuccessful attacks. Secondly, all their attempts only lead to heavy losses in the ranks of the Ukrainian army. The Zelensky regime is just mindlessly throwing people to certain death,” Kirill Stremousov, deputy head of the administration said.
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Do you think cpleigh will come here and acknowledge the rubbish he posted the other day about this counter-offensive?
 
the Great Khan said:
The Russians in some places are rotating almost on a daily basis.
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I had heard from numerous sources that the Russians pulled the main fighting units back after the capture of Lysychansk and they've been resting since. They are only supporting the Militias, Chechens and mercenaries with their almost limitless artillery.
 
bones said:
Do you think cpleigh will come here and acknowledge the rubbish he posted the other day about this counter-offensive?
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No, the counter offensive has begun. Its quite clear. The fact Ukraine are now talking it up and have also requested a full media black out points to it.

I'll take my sources from Western media channels and Unkrainian officials over random Telegram channels from Putin stooges.

The Russian advance has stalled, shelling and artliery rounds have decreased by over half. HIMARS are devestating the Russians.

Somehow you seem to think it's all going according to plan
 
LOL! It is going to Putin's plan - Russia's economy, circumvention of SWIFT, alternative to USD, revenues on commodities, and sending Europe into the dark ages knowing NATO do not have the sand to fight in Ukraine - all indicative of Russia's successful goals.

Boots on the ground are a side show, the real war is fought in the economy, and Russia is winning hands down.

This is proven by the fact, MSM apologists have not once mentioned Russia's economy since those ***** Western sanctions backfired! Which the MSM will not report on! :)))
 
the Great Khan said:
What an idiotic post. Are you high?
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Not remotely.

When Russia struck Kyiv, they made Moscow a legitimate target.

When Russia took Crimea, they made St Petersburg a legitimate target.

When Russia struck Lviv, they made Murmansk a legitimate target.

When Russia took Donbas, they made Vladivostok a legitimate target.

I am all for providing Ukraine with any weapons which they can use to counter-attack any part of the country which invaded them.

Russia uses nuclear blackmail to try to deter a response to its aggression. Let’s put the boot on the other foot.

And Russia uses energy blackmail to keep European countries like Germany, Italy and Hungary from supporting Ukraine. So I am all for bombing and mining the pipelines so that they have no means of obtaining that energy from Russia.
 
Technics 1210 said:
China Belt and Road Spending in Russia

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...g-in-russia-sri-lanka-falls-to-zero#xj4y7vzkg

News from 14 hrs ago, and Bloomberg is a news agency that is data driven, unlike MSM which is agenda driven. Bloomberg is a news agency used by Western economic institutions.

Move on.
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Russia’s problem is not Ball and Chain debt.

It is that their economy was twice as large as China’s in 1979 and is now ten times smaller.

Russia’s total economy is now as small as Australia’s or Iran’s, and smaller than Canada’s and Brazil’s.

The UK and France both have twice as much money as Russia.

Russia’s economic strength is not in the Premier League - it’s at the bottom of League Two.

Reagan defeated the USSR by getting into an arms race that Russia couldn’t afford to win. But now Russia hasn’t got the money to win an arms race against Iran or Australia, let alone Britain or France, and certainly not the USA (which now has fifteen times the wealth of Russia).
 
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Junaids said:
Russia’s problem is not Ball and Chain debt.

It is that their economy was twice as large as China’s in 1979 and is now ten times smaller.

Russia’s total economy is now as small as Australia’s or Iran’s, and smaller than Canada’s and Brazil’s.

The UK and France both have twice as much money as Russia.

Russia’s economic strength is not in the Premier League - it’s at the bottom of League Two.

Reagan defeated the USSR by getting into an arms race that Russia couldn’t afford to win. But now Russia hasn’t got the money to win an arms race against Iran or Australia, let alone Britain or France, and certainly not the USA (which now has fifteen times the wealth of Russia).
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I suggest you go look up the the list of countries with the lowest GDP to Debt ratio. Coming out with statements like UK and France have more money is the height of desperation. UK and France are also one of the most indebted nations in the world.

Russia has more money than you can imagine. $630 BILLION was invested in foreign countries and included reserves, only to be frozen by the West.

Russia is milking it from high commodity prices too, has expanded trade on Rubles, and is exporting more towards the East.

Above all, Russia's strategic strength is priceless, despite your claims Russia has minimal weapons and economic strength, Russia has EU and NATO by the crown jewels - so much so, made a mockery of Western economic sanctions. Let this sink in.
 
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you are fixated with debt to GDP ratio. It means nothing. The US and Japan are 2 of the highest... and both are rich and have very healthy economies.

Afghanistan is one of the lowest... what does that mean? Afghanistan certainly doesn't have more money, neither does Russia by the way. You seem to live in a fanciful world where Russia has unlimited cash.

They don't
 
Western sanctions have failed on Russia. This is proof how resilient Russia's economy is and how Russia has out played the West. Unlike Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria, Venezuela et al who were driven to ruins and near bankruptcy through Western sanctions, the West fell into Russia's trap.

NATO apologists need to understand one thing, the civilisation isn't measured by the number of McDonalds, or iPhones.

Oh, the West is fixated with Debt to GDP ratio, this is why Western leaders ramble on about paying off national debt.

Laughing at Japan being a strong economy, 3 decades lost because of QE and inflation, and still struggling for growth. The only reason Japanese economy exists is because of electronics and cars. That's it.
 
you are confusing 'western leaders' with political parties. The Tories demand lopw debt, thats what they believe in. They have an ideological loathing for it, and will happily push people into hardship rather than borrow to pay for social care.


The Uk had to get its debt down, and we did. We are now able to borrow at 0.5% interest rate. The best in the world.

Are you incapable of having a discussion without bringing NATO into it, even when not relevant?
 
Western leaders represent western political ideologies.

UK does not borrow at 0.5%, UK borrows at 1.94%.

https://markets.ft.com/data/bonds/tearsheet/summary?s=UK10YG

If you want to act smart, at least do your homework, then we’ll come to NATO budget as a % of GDP, a measure used by NATO members (and apologists) to determine financial contributions to war.

And yes, while the West is reluctant to raise rates because they will pay more for borrowing, Russia lowers its interest rates, once again, proving how resilient Russia’s economy is.
 
Zelensky dismissed Grigory Galagan from the post of commander of the Special Operations Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Additionally, Ruslan Demchenko was sacked from his position as First Deputy Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council.

Zelensky is feeling real unsafe around his own dogs.
 
Russia has enacted a law that allows any Ukrainian citizen to gain Russian citizenship with ease. Basically any Ukrainian citizen can become a Russian citizen in a matter of a few days and a simple application.

Ukraine’s response to this is threatening its own citizens with 15 years in prison or a fine for obtaining Russian passports. Bunch of Nazi clowns !!
 
Robert said:
Steady on. Putin is evil, but let’s not immanentise the end of the world.
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With respect, that is precisely the response that Putin is seeking.

Just like when the US vetoed Mig-29 deliveries in case it angered Russia.

Putin’s only weapon is nuclear blackmail: “if you don’t give me what I want I will blow up the planet”.

It’s a simple binary choice.

Either give him what he wants, both now and in the future, like Germany in the 1930’s. In which case the demands will never end.

Or stand up to him. He is like the cornered gunman with a hostage he is holding at gunpoint, but with snipers aiming at his head.

The US and UK could launch simultaneous air strikes with conventional warheads to take out the entire Russian army, Air Force and navy, at multiple sites across Russia and Belarus.

Putin would have to be crazy at that point to use his WMD rather than simply going into exile in China. His choice would be a life of luxury, or nuclear suicide.
 
Reddy said:
Russia has enacted a law that allows any Ukrainian citizen to gain Russian citizenship with ease. Basically any Ukrainian citizen can become a Russian citizen in a matter of a few days and a simple application.

Ukraine’s response to this is threatening its own citizens with 15 years in prison or a fine for obtaining Russian passports. Bunch of Nazi clowns !!
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Interestingly, of the ethnic Russian population of Donbas, whom they claim to be “liberating”:

65% have moved to western Ukraine, and are clearly loyal to Ukraine, not Russia.
5% have moved to Russia.
30% have stayed put, and presumably are loyal to Russia rather than Ukraine.
 
Total size of NATO economies: $51 trillion
Total size of Russian economy: $1.8 trillion

The NATO powers are literally 28 times richer than Russia.
 
Junaids said:
With respect, that is precisely the response that Putin is seeking.

Just like when the US vetoed Mig-29 deliveries in case it angered Russia.

Putin’s only weapon is nuclear blackmail: “if you don’t give me what I want I will blow up the planet”.

It’s a simple binary choice.

Either give him what he wants, both now and in the future, like Germany in the 1930’s. In which case the demands will never end.

Or stand up to him. He is like the cornered gunman with a hostage he is holding at gunpoint, but with snipers aiming at his head.

The US and UK could launch simultaneous air strikes with conventional warheads to take out the entire Russian army, Air Force and navy, at multiple sites across Russia and Belarus.

Putin would have to be crazy at that point to use his WMD rather than simply going into exile in China. His choice would be a life of luxury, or nuclear suicide.
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I think he actually would launch his ICBMs, He said something to the effect of “No Russia, no world”.

Even a limited exchange - say he takes out Birmingham, we take out St Petersburg - represents millions of death and eco-catastrophe.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Western sanctions have failed on Russia. This is proof how resilient Russia's economy is and how Russia has out played the West. Unlike Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria, Venezuela et al who were driven to ruins and near bankruptcy through Western sanctions, the West fell into a trap
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Russian economy $1.829 trillion, population 147 million.
Iranian economy $1.739 trillion, population 85 million.

Basically, Russia is half as wealthy and powerful as Iran.

That’s why Russia has had to go cap in hand to Iran, hoping the mad Mullahs will sell them drones that the Russians are incapable of making themselves.
 
Junaids said:
Total size of NATO economies: $51 trillion
Total size of Russian economy: $1.8 trillion

The NATO powers are literally 28 times richer than Russia.
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30 economies vs 1 economy. Wow, what an apples for apples comparison.

Compare nukes, a better comparison.

Yet NATO is too afraid to go toe to toe with Russia.
 
Robert said:
I think he actually would launch his ICBMs, He said something to the effect of “No Russia, no world”.

Even a limited exchange - say he takes out Birmingham, we take out St Petersburg - represents millions of death and eco-catastrophe.
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Doesn’t that make it even more urgent that we take him out?

I’m not threatening to destroy Russia. I’m saying that it needs to be disarmed.
 
Junaids said:
Russian economy $1.829 trillion, population 147 million.
Iranian economy $1.739 trillion, population 85 million.

Basically, Russia is half as wealthy and powerful as Iran.

That’s why Russia has had to go cap in hand to Iran, hoping the mad Mullahs will sell them drones that the Russians are incapable of making themselves.
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These figures are meaningless when western sanctions have failed against Russia.

Iran wants to join BRICS+; the drone story is for MSM sound bites..
 
Technics 1210 said:
These figures are meaningless when western sanctions have failed against Russia.

Iran wants to join BRICS+; the drone story is for MSM sound bites..
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And yet even you admit that currently Russia has been reduced to using anti-ship missiles and surface-to-air missiles against land targets, because they have used up all their advanced weapons.
 
Junaids said:
And yet even you admit that currently Russia has been reduced to using anti-ship missiles and surface-to-air missiles against land targets, because they have used up all their advanced weapons.
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Where did I admit let alone mention the words anti-ship missiles and surface-to-air missiles?

Stop putting words in my mouth, if you don't have answers, then no need to make'em up.

I also have some new for you, the most advanced weapons in today's wars are neither missiles, bullets, nor drones, but cyber and economic attacks, because neither kills lives but do destroy nations/society while keeping infrastructure intact, and can be launched without warning or detection.

Just look at the EU, crumbling into darkness because sanctions have backfired and EU will not buy Gas/Oil in Rubles. The result? Cost of living up. Debt above the horizon. Economy teetering recession. Rations on energy supplies; yet not a single conventional weapon dropped on EU soil by Russia yet Russia is earning BILLIONS, and we're only in the summer.

This is how modern day wars are fought.

No wonder it was so for Putin to dupe the western hemisphere, you NATO apologists have no idea what's going on. Russia has you focused on parts of Ukraine, while he has his eyes on destroying the European NATO members without lifting a finger.
 
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Junaids said:
Total size of NATO economies: $51 trillion
Total size of Russian economy: $1.8 trillion

The NATO powers are literally 28 times richer than Russia.
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It sure doesn’t feel like the Russians are that weak economically. They Europeans right now are the mercy of Russia who could well within their rights shut off gas.

The problem with the west and ignorant posters like you is that you don’t understand that Russia is rich with resources. They are probably the most resource rich country in the world. It is almost impossible for them to collapse economically. Can’t say the same about the west who are dependent on others. Take for example Italy and Germany who are so dependent on Russian gas.
 
Junaids said:
Russian economy $1.829 trillion, population 147 million.
Iranian economy $1.739 trillion, population 85 million.

Basically, Russia is half as wealthy and powerful as Iran.

That’s why Russia has had to go cap in hand to Iran, hoping the mad Mullahs will sell them drones that the Russians are incapable of making themselves.
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Russia has half the GDP of the UK. But Putin has been able to keep the cash flowing through this war.

There is an end to this. Eventually he will die or be deposed and someone hopefully reasonable and not hostile to the West will replace him. There will be a negotiated settlement and sanctions on Russia will be lifted.
 
None of this would have happened if NATO members were willing to negotiate peace since 2014, however, peace in not in the interest of NATO, but war, the bogeyman, and fear, are.

Remember, Zelensky (the Amreekan puppet) came into office, had a peaceful country that traded with everyone. Today his country is in ruins, millions of people have fled, millions of people who may never return. He bet on NATO and NATO used his country as a firing range.
 
The European Union has reached a weakened deal to cut gas consumption by 15 per cent amid fears Vladimir Putin could turn off the taps.

But swathes of member states have been offered exemptions after last week the European Commission’s original proposals for mandatory cuts triggered mass outrage.

Island nations, such as Malta, Cyprus and Ireland, that are not connected to the wider European gas grid will be offered a reprieve.

Spain and Portugal, which are also not connected to the network, were also given reprieves from mandatory cuts in event of a winter energy crisis on the Continent.

“Today’s decision has clearly shown the member states will stand tall against any Russian attempt to divide the EU by using energy supplies as a weapon,” said Jozef Síkela, Czech minister of industry and trade.

Hungary, which is trying to purchase more gas from Moscow, was the only EU nation to officially vote against the deal.

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So there we have it, the so called richest single market in the world, the so called NATO block richer than Russia, the so called NATO military powerhouse of the world - has been reduced to begging Russia to keep the gas taps on.

Once again, Western lies have been exposed, and Putin vilified as a genius.

Come on pro NATO Europeans, go ask Uncle Sam for more oil/gas as you do for weapons, what other option do you have? The Arabs? :)))
 
Sorry but it seems some of our fellow posters have gotten increasingly in hinged as this war has dragged on..
 
Technics 1210 said:
None of this would have happened if NATO members were willing to negotiate peace since 2014, however, peace in not in the interest of NATO, but war, the bogeyman, and fear, are.

Remember, Zelensky (the Amreekan puppet) came into office, had a peaceful country that traded with everyone. Today his country is in ruins, millions of people have fled, millions of people who may never return. He bet on NATO and NATO used his country as a firing range.
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This is spot on. If NATOS agenda was ever to preach peace then what would happen to the billion dollar industry of masses of weapons which is NATOS ace in the pack!
 
Manunited18 said:
This is spot on. If NATOS agenda was ever to preach peace then what would happen to the billion dollar industry of masses of weapons which is NATOS ace in the pack!
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Obviously the $billion weapons industry in USA, UK and France would be there whether there was a NATO or not, and remember that Russia and China are big exporters of weapons too.

NATOS doesn't "preach peace". Once more - NATO is a defensive alliance between member states. It isn't the UN or the EU or some sort of conspiracy theory Western World Council, it's an agreement to defend members - if one is attacked, all respond. I know people here like their conspiracy theories, but let's remember basic definitions.
 
Robert said:
Obviously the $billion weapons industry in USA, UK and France would be there whether there was a NATO or not, and remember that Russia and China are big exporters of weapons too.

NATOS doesn't "preach peace". Once more - NATO is a defensive alliance between member states. It isn't the UN or the EU or some sort of conspiracy theory Western World Council, it's an agreement to defend members - if one is attacked, all respond. I know people here like their conspiracy theories, but let's remember basic definitions.
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NATO is the biggest axes of evil, it's history does not paint a pretty picture!
 
NATO is the aggressor. Fact. Why is NATO getting involved in the Ukraine war when Ukraine is not a member of NATO? Wait for it, to protect its borders? Well, Russia is doing the same.

Not only this, NATO had a chance to negotiate peace, but refused.

Remember, NATO parked missiles in Turkey which lead to the Cuban missile crisis.

NATO is the aggressor, and Afghanistan is just a feather in the cap of this lying hypocritical bully of a Judeo-Christian warmongering alliance; which is why NATO turned a blind eye on Yugoslavia and the Bosnian Muslim genocide.

Do not let MSM and Liberals dupe you into the Western propaganda.
 
Manunited18 said:
NATO is the biggest axes of evil, it's history does not paint a pretty picture!
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We should stop calling this Western pact by its political name NATO, it is time to call a spade a spade, NATO is the military arm for the Judeo-Christian alliance.
 
Guess who manufacturers the most Chemical weapons and then sells them to the highest bidder? You got it, USA and UK, members of NATO.

Guess who cries wolf when there is an alledged Russian chemical attack on UK soil?

If the JC alliance were about defending peace and prosperity then they wouldn't manufacture and sell WMDs. It's called Teeing off - setting the landscape for war.

Judeo-Christian alliance. The Christians have promised to help the Messiah to return to Jerusalem, this is why UK and Isreal are allies - Religious motives, religious agenda, and religious goals.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Guess who manufacturers the most Chemical weapons and then sells them to the highest bidder? You got it, USA and UK, members of NATO.

Guess who cries wolf when there is an alledged Russian chemical attack on UK soil?

If the JC alliance were about defending peace and prosperity then they wouldn't manufacture and sell WMDs. It's called Teeing off - setting the landscape for war.

Judeo-Christian alliance. The Christians have promised to help the Messiah to return to Jerusalem, this is why UK and Isreal are allies - Religious motives, religious agenda, and religious goals.
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Just to get this correct... USA and UK DO NOT SELL chemical weapons.

They sell components that are used to make them
 
cpleigh said:
Just to get this correct... USA and UK DO NOT SELL chemical weapons.

They sell components that are used to make them
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True, illegal under the Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production, Stockpiling and Use of Chemical Weapons and on their Destruction 1997.

It's remarkable how the British reacted with such restraint to Skripal, while the rest of NATO and NATO-aligned states considered it a WMD deployment on allied soil - therefore a WMD deployment on their soil too - and expelled hundreds of Russian diplomats.
 
Manunited18 said:
NATO is the biggest axes of evil, it's history does not paint a pretty picture!
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If you believe this, there is simply no point in our communicating further. We have no common ground at all, might as well be from different planets. It's like disagreeing on whether the Sun rises in the East or West.
 
Selling parts to manufacture Chemical weapons is the same difference and just semantics. It's akin to selling Uranium to Iran to help build a nuke.

UK sells parts, with a Lego instruction booklet, and hey presto, you have a chemical weapon. So what? If there's a complete ban, why is UK selling parts? You got it - to tee off. Which is EXACTLY what happened with Syria.

UK was caught read handed when it sold chemicals to Syria in 2012/13 to produce Sarin Gas. Who signed off the export? None other than Vince Cable.
 
[MENTION=151127]Manunited18[/MENTION] - one more try.

NATO has never invaded another nation for the purpose of conquest. Not one. Ever.

It’s not possible for NATO to do so, because NATO isn’t a government. Even if USA wanted to invade somewhere, at least one NATO state would refuse to sign Article Five - this is what happened in 2003. Blair tried to persuade all member states to invade Iraq, but most wouldn’t go, as it was outside the scope of what the Alliance is for.

Sometimes NATO has interceded in a country to restore the peace, always with UN authorisation - former Yugoslavia to stop the Kosovo genocide, Afghanistan, no-fly zone over Libya during that country’s civil war.
 
NATO : The US-led imperial cabal.

Questions remain unanswered of this so called peace keeping alliance.

Why did NATO refuse to negotiate peace with Russia over Ukraine when Russia raised its concerns many times? No answer from NATO apologists, but the answer is NATO needs a bogeyman. No Russian threat, no need to bolster NATO.

Why is NATO getting involved with the Ukraine war given Ukraine is not a member of NATO? No answer from NATO apologists, but the answer is a proxy war between Amreeka and Russia with Europe as the battlefield.

Deluaional Europeans thinking Uncle Sam has their backs.
 
Robert said:
[MENTION=151127]Manunited18[/MENTION] - one more try.

NATO has never invaded another nation for the purpose of conquest. Not one. Ever.

It’s not possible for NATO to do so, because NATO isn’t a government. Even if USA wanted to invade somewhere, at least one NATO state would refuse to sign Article Five - this is what happened in 2003. Blair tried to persuade all member states to invade Iraq, but most wouldn’t go, as it was outside the scope of what the Alliance is for.

Sometimes NATO has interceded in a country to restore the peace, always with UN authorisation - former Yugoslavia to stop the Kosovo genocide, Afghanistan, no-fly zone over Libya during that country’s civil war.
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I have limited input in this matter, but whatever I do know I'm convinced NATO are a barbaric alliance headed by the USA.

You should tag @Technics and [MENTION=4738]King Khan[/MENTION] who have much superior knowledge and input compared to me who wouldn't hesitate to correct you.
 
Manunited18 said:
I have limited input in this matter, but whatever I do know I'm convinced NATO are a barbaric alliance headed by the USA.

You should tag @Technics and [MENTION=4738]King Khan[/MENTION] who have much superior knowledge and input compared to me who wouldn't hesitate to correct you.
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There is no point. You cannot reason with people who are not interested in peace, only war.

As you have read - “Blair tried to persuade all member states to invade Iraq, but most wouldn’t go, as it was outside the scope of what the Alliance is for.”

Iraq had nothing to do with the scope of the alliance, European NATO members refused to go because there was no evidence of WMDs, this is why Bush bypassed the UN and ultimately lead to the illegal war in Iraq. Blair supported Bush hand in hand because Amreeka has the final say on NATO action and the UK is the lapdog of Amreeka.

It gets worse, more lies by NATO when declaring article 5 (after the war cry stunt in 2003 failed) and invading Afghanistan. Afghanistan government NEVER attacked Western soil. All lies, even if you consider OBL, who did not represent Afghan government, and was in actual fact a Saudi Citizen.

Bosnian Genocide. Right in the heart of NATO but members turned a blind eye before it was too late, I guess waiting for Amreekan approval. But alas! NATO are supplying weapons and funding to Ukraine from day one of the Ukraine conflict.

Remember what Bush said, “I am doing God’s work”- well, you need no more proof that Amreeka, uses NATO as the military arm of the JC alliance, or simply, The Western Gestapo.
 
Technics 1210 said:
There is no point. You cannot reason with people who are not interested in peace, only war.

As you have read - “Blair tried to persuade all member states to invade Iraq, but most wouldn’t go, as it was outside the scope of what the Alliance is for.”

Iraq had nothing to do with the scope of the alliance, European NATO members refused to go because there was no evidence of WMDs, this is why Bush bypassed the UN and ultimately lead to the illegal war in Iraq. Blair supported Bush hand in hand because Amreeka has the final say on NATO action and the UK is the lapdog of Amreeka.

It gets worse, more lies by NATO when declaring article 5 (after the war cry stunt in 2003 failed) and invading Afghanistan. Afghanistan government NEVER attacked Western soil. All lies, even if you consider OBL, who did not represent Afghan government, and was in actual fact a Saudi Citizen.

Bosnian Genocide. Right in the heart of NATO but members turned a blind eye before it was too late, I guess waiting for Amreekan approval. But alas! NATO are supplying weapons and funding to Ukraine from day one of the Ukraine conflict.

Remember what Bush said, “I am doing God’s work”- well, you need no more proof that Amreeka, uses NATO as the military arm of the JC alliance, or simply, The Western Gestapo.
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You have fantastic input in political matters.
 
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