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Terrorism, according to Section 140 of the Foreign Relations Authorization Act, is “premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets.”

So attacking a bridge used to transport military hardware and invading soldiers is NOT terrorism.

Bombing a playground, a street and a street it parked cars IS terrorism.

Congratulations Putin. You are now officially a terrorist leading Russia, a terrorist state.
 
Robert said:
You are astonishingly naive if you think Russia is a democracy.
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It is a democracy on paper.

Whether or not something shady takes place, that needs to be proven. It was not impossible for Putin to win because he was a very popular leader.

Some may say United States 2020 election was a sham election. Biden and deep state robbed Trump.
 
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Junaids said:
Terrorism, according to Section 140 of the Foreign Relations Authorization Act, is “premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets.”

So attacking a bridge used to transport military hardware and invading soldiers is NOT terrorism.

Bombing a playground, a street and a street it parked cars IS terrorism.

Congratulations Putin. You are now officially a terrorist leading Russia, a terrorist state.
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Oops, meant to say “tourist pedestrian bridge” rather than street twice! :)
 
sweep_shot said:
It is a democracy on paper.

Whether or not something shady takes place, that needs to be proven.
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Bingo.

And it has been.

QED

If you think Russia is a democracy, I’ve got a lovely bridge I’d like to sell you.
 
Junaids said:
Bingo.

And it has been.

QED

If you think Russia is a democracy, I’ve got a lovely bridge I’d like to sell you.
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It is not impossible for a man to win over and over. Erdogan in Turkey has been winning for many years. In India, Modi has also been winning for a while (as much as I despise Modi).

These are not sham democracies. It simply means people are attracted to certain personalities. Putin was very popular in Russia and so it was not impossible for him to win 2018 election fair and square.

Apart from general speculation, I didn't see any concrete evidence than Russian elections were rigged.
 
The IRA has murdered over 4000 innocent victims in England. Northern Ireland harbours terrorists, therefore should be bombed to dust like Afghanistan, but no, the JC alliance decided to negotiate with the terrorists, and on top of this, the PM at the time (Blair) granted the terrorists immunity from prosecution!

You now have terrorist sympathisers living in England who have the audacity to criticise freedom fighters beyond the West.

Sickening.
 
West should get of its high horse, especially the liberals who wanted a democratic result to be overturned, cos they lost - Brexit and Trump wins in 2016!

The best Liberals have to offer? Russia did it.

Don't believe the hype, Liberals do not believe in democracy unless they win.
 
Technics 1210 said:
The IRA has murdered over 4000 innocent victims in England. Northern Ireland harbours terrorists, therefore should be bombed to dust like Afghanistan, but no, the JC alliance decided to negotiate with the terrorists, and on top of this, the PM at the time (Blair) granted the terrorists immunity from prosecution!

You now have terrorist sympathisers living in England who have the audacity to criticise freedom fighters beyond the West.

Sickening.
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Its as if the Colonial mindset is totally ingrained beyond repair. Through their vision, they only see whats right and wrong no matter what. Also saddens to see a uncle tom being the premier chear leader on this forum who defends all the oppression dished out to countries like iraq, afganistan, Palestine, syria, libya!
 
sweep_shot said:
It is hypocritical for Europhiles to complain about Russia.
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If it is hypocritical for Europhiles to complain about Russia because of previous actions and views on Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel et al which are deemed by Europhobes as illegal and wrong and this absolves Russia's actions which are also illegal and wrong (or else why the charge of hypocrisy?) then Russophiles are also being hypocritical by having different views on past and present actions. Two wrongs don't make a right. Everyone is a hypocrite.
 
Robert said:
Your words stand on their heads KKWC. Had Putin not invaded in 2014, and fomented civil war in the East, the ethnic Russians in the East would have been fine.

You can’t liberate people of a democracy by putting them under a despot.
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When did Putin invade in 2014. The elected leader was ousted in a coup organised by the West because he didnt want to ruin relations with Russia over the EU. It was a blood coup too.

Its not upto you Robert to decide if Putin is a despot as you are not a resident of Russia, the word means someone who is oppressing his people. Putin has done the opposite and liberated his people from Nazis.
 
Junaids said:
Terrorism, according to Section 140 of the Foreign Relations Authorization Act, is “premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets.”

So attacking a bridge used to transport military hardware and invading soldiers is NOT terrorism.

Bombing a playground, a street and a street it parked cars IS terrorism.

Congratulations Putin. You are now officially a terrorist leading Russia, a terrorist state.
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Ill take that definition even though the Foriegn relations act is not a spokesman for the world.

It was a truck bombing where the driver was killed , along with other innocent civilians. The driver may or may not have known there were explosives inside, if he did, it was a suicide bombing. If he didnt it was even worse terrorism, something ISIS has done.

3 people were murdered in an act of deliberate bombing, this is terrorism. Its sad you cant see this but if it was Russia you would.
 
Desperate last... He's gone soon. Ukraine won't buckle neither will the west

Imagine emptying your stocks on no military targets when youre getting pasted on the battlefield.

Cretin
 
The pound fell sharply against the dollar after Andrew Bailey insisted he will not extend emergency intervention in the gilt markets intended to support pension funds.

Sterling reached lows of $1.0973 immediately after the comments, dropping 1.3pc in the space of a few minutes and wiping out gains since the start of the month.

Turmoil on UK bond markets following the mini-Budget went "way beyond" the Bank of England's previous stress tests, Bailey also revealed.

DT

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Remember folks, the liberal message to economic carnage in the UK - it's a price worth paying.
 
Junaids said:
I don't think this content belongs in this thread, but I have to answer for people to take note of my Russia/Ukraine views.

In 1947 the UN partitioned Palestine into two nations - Israel and Palestine. They immediately went to war, and Israel has occupied the Palestinian part (which is Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem) ever since.

Therefore, Israel is the occupier and the oppressor in the UN-created state of Palestine (which does NOT include Tel Aviv, Haifa, West Jerusalem etc).

Where I get flamed is for pointing out that Palestinians who are citizens of Israel Proper (not the occupied territories), while increasingly being less privileged than Jews, enjoy more freedom, more democracy, better health care, better education and more wealth than the Arab citizens of any Arab nation. But that is a fact - it's not even debatable.

But in terms of the UN-designated state of Palestine? It is under Israeli occupation which I completely oppose. And I also oppose the settlements in the West Bank and I oppose East Jerusalem being treated as part of Israel. My views are basically identical to [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION].

The irony here is this.

Russia treats Ukraine like Israel treats the Arabs in the Occupied Territories. Only worse! Israel doesn't steal all their washing machines and computers, or flatten entire towns.
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Thanks for this comprehensive response.
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] He's not a Zionist by any stretch.
 
You got to hand it to Putin. He hasn't laid a finger on the EU and UK, yet the economies of EU and UK are not only tanking, but are about to fall into the abyss because of this war.

This is economic warfare at an another level; western sanctions backfired, Russia coins it, and Europe is toast.

No surprise Putin/Russia won the economic war months ago.

Here's an idea for NATO, more sanctions! :)))
 
Technics 1210 said:
The pound fell sharply against the dollar after Andrew Bailey insisted he will not extend emergency intervention in the gilt markets intended to support pension funds.

Sterling reached lows of $1.0973 immediately after the comments, dropping 1.3pc in the space of a few minutes and wiping out gains since the start of the month.

Turmoil on UK bond markets following the mini-Budget went "way beyond" the Bank of England's previous stress tests, Bailey also revealed.

DT

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Remember folks, the liberal message to economic carnage in the UK - it's a price worth paying.
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What's this got to do with this thread?
 
Technics 1210 said:
You got to hand it to Putin. He hasn't laid a finger on the EU and UK, yet the economies of EU and UK are not only tanking, but are about to fall into the abyss because of this war.

This is economic warfare at an another level; western sanctions backfired, Russia coins it, and Europe is toast.

No surprise Putin/Russia won the economic war months ago.

Here's an idea for NATO, more sanctions! :)))
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Sanctions are hilarious. Reminds me of John Kerry's "grave concerns".

Sanctions don't have significant impacts. Iran, North Korea, and Russia are doing just fine.
 
topspin said:
Thanks for this comprehensive response.

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] He's not a Zionist by any stretch.
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He wrote

"Where I get flamed is for pointing out that Palestinians who are citizens of Israel Proper (not the occupied territories), while increasingly being less privileged than Jews, enjoy more freedom, more democracy, better health care, better education and more wealth than the Arab citizens of any Arab nation. But that is a fact - it's not even debatable."

This is Zionism in its pure form, they have to accept Israel is an occupier state as its obvious, in the law. But then claim if Palestinians are integrated into the Zionist state they will be better off than any Arab nation. Clearly not true, as there are numerous apartheid laws for Arab Israelis.

Anyway its off topic but my point was those who think Israel are humane, cannot then call Russia as evil invaders.
 
cpleigh said:
Desperate last... He's gone soon. Ukraine won't buckle neither will the west

Imagine emptying your stocks on no military targets when youre getting pasted on the battlefield.

Cretin
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Hi Mr Leigh.

Russia launched between 200-300 missiles on 10 Ukrainian cities, tore them a new one after their terrorist attack on the bridge. But please do explain how missiles do Russia have left?

Also you were cheering the terrorist attack on the bridge in an earlier post. Why?
 
KingKhanWC said:
Hi Mr Leigh.

Russia launched between 200-300 missiles on 10 Ukrainian cities, tore them a new one after their terrorist attack on the bridge. But please do explain how missiles do Russia have left?

Also you were cheering the terrorist attack on the bridge in an earlier post. Why?
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The double standards are off the charts. Western support claims that these attacks are inconsequential but at the same time say they are devastating. They say Ukraine knocked down 50 missiles but make no mention of the fact that Russia expected a percentage of them not to reach the destination.

Overall they were very consequential. Ukraine is suffering energy and water shortages. The SBU offices were attacked. Some military bases including one with Polish fighters were attacked and destroyed. None of it made the news because of cause only Ukrainian missiles can hit the target.

Cpleigh like most of the people who believe MSM have no idea what is coming. The Russians are amassing a big force on the border and they have finally given the order that they can hit any target that is a threat. Some analysts say the Russians will make the move in December and others say late November. But it will be based a lot on the weather. Once the Russians make the move it will be even more devastating.
 
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The double standards are off the charts. Western support claims that these attacks are inconsequential but at the same time say they are devastating. They say Ukraine knocked down 50 missiles but make no mention of the fact that Russia expected a percentage of them not to reach the destination.

Overall they were very consequential. Ukraine is suffering energy and water shortages. The SBU offices were attacked. Some military bases including one with Polish fighters were attacked and destroyed. None of it made the news because of cause only Ukrainian missiles can hit the target.

Cpleigh like most of the people who believe MSM have no idea what is coming. The Russians are amassing a big force on the border and they have finally given the order that they can hit any target that is a threat. Some analysts say the Russians will make the move in December and others say late November. But it will be based a lot on the weather. Once the Russians make the move it will be even more devastating.
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Its a combination of receiving false, exaugurated or downplayed news which it totally biased towards the Western motives and a denial syndrome due to being told since birth , we are the good guys. Anyone analysing this from a neutral pov sees clearly Russia is far superiour , Russia has taken the lands , Russian sanctions have backfired and finally Russia has killed thousands of Ukrainians, along with mercenaries and some US covert forces.
 
This thread is testament to the damaging long-term side-effects of colonialism.

Otherwise intelligent people from decolonized countries are accusing the West - which HAS decolonized - of colonial behaviour, while they are wilfully blind to the fact that Russia has not decolonized, treats its Asian and Muslim citizens like dispensable garbage, and is engaged in a new war of colonisation.

Zelensky is a Jew but they call him a Nazi.

Zelensky is a Russian speaker but they say the Ukrainian Russian speakers need protection from him.

Zelensky’s party came to power as the pro-Ukrainian Russian party but they say the Russians are persecuted.

Black is white.

White is black.

The damage of colonialism is making people who never lived through it lose their minds.
 
Today’s Darth Putin tweet:

“Russia will fight Ukraine to last

- military railroad station,
- military hospital,
- military playground,
- military theatre,
- military apartment block,
- military power station,
- military shopping centre,
- military holocaust memorial,
- military library,
- military primary school.”
 
Junaids said:
Today’s Darth Putin tweet:

“Russia will fight Ukraine to last

- military railroad station,
- military hospital,
- military playground,
- military theatre,
- military apartment block,
- military power station,
- military shopping centre,
- military holocaust memorial,
- military library,
- military primary school.”
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It’s comedy, but it highlights that the targets chosen personally by Putin on Monday almost all represent war crimes.

There is endless footage of Russian military forces using the Kerch Bridge. The legality of attacking it is now even debatable - it’s definite.

But Russia will find that by attacking civilian targets it will strengthen western resolve to ensure that Ukraine wins, and will ensure that more advanced systems with longer range are provided to Ukraine.

Every decision that Putin makes follows the same pattern. These are the muscular and aggressive responses of a psychopath who does not understand modern warfare.
 
Astute comment by Kamil Galeev today…

“Pro-Russian commenters seem to make parallels between American and Russian wars. They are false of course.

US-launched wars do not lead to depopulation. Russia-launched ones do. Compare population graphs for Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria.

Russian mode of war = genocidal mass slaughter of civilians.”
 
Further Galeev tweet (a Muslim Russian)

“Also notice that the American invasion of the 2000s did not lead to the decrease in Afghanistan population.

But the Russian one in the 1980s did.

American wars have a lot of war crimes happening. But they are nowhere near the genocidal nightmare of the Russian military campaign.”
 
sweep_shot said:
It is a democracy on paper.

Whether or not something shady takes place, that needs to be proven. It was not impossible for Putin to win because he was a very popular leader.

Some may say United States 2020 election was a sham election. Biden and deep state robbed Trump.
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Yes, but those people are conspiracy theory idiots.

President Trump was free to campaign, holding huge rallies and running national TV ads, and had enormous financial support in the form of Super PACS.

Whereas sitting President Putin placed his rival Navalny under house arrest and prevented him from campaigning.

Do you understand the difference?

You can’t steal an election in USA. There are legal safeguards on top of safeguards. Trump challenged the result in court in every state that he lost the ballot, and every single suit failed.
 
KingKhanWC said:
When did Putin invade in 2014. The elected leader was ousted in a coup organised by the West because he didnt want to ruin relations with Russia over the EU. It was a blood coup too.

Its not upto you Robert to decide if Putin is a despot as you are not a resident of Russia, the word means someone who is oppressing his people. Putin has done the opposite and liberated his people from Nazis.
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When did Putin invade in 2014? Is that a serious question? Crimea was annexed by Russia in response to the Euromaidan. This was a huge grassroots protest against the Ukrainian leader Yanokoyvich who promised the people that he would take Ukraine into EU, but then buckled under pressure from Moscow to join the Eastern Economy Union instead

I’ll decide what I like according to my values and understanding, thank you. Putin oppresses his people. When you call Blair a war criminal in UK, nothing happens to you. Call Putin that in Russia and you will be arrested and probably tortured, or even disappeared or Novichoked. It’s truly baffling that you assert righteousness in deriding Bush and Blair for invading Iraq, then demean yourself by roaring Putin on for the same neo-imperialist behaviour in Ukraine.
 
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Astute comment by Kamil Galeev today…

“Pro-Russian commenters seem to make parallels between American and Russian wars. They are false of course.

US-launched wars do not lead to depopulation. Russia-launched ones do. Compare population graphs for Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria.

Russian mode of war = genocidal mass slaughter of civilians.”
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To be fair, at least 600,000 people died in Iraq due to water and power infrastructure collapse, and a violent crime wave. That was from The Lancet.
 
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION],

This pales to insignificance in comparison to the Korean War where every town above the 38th Parallel was incinerated by B-29 napalm strikes, exceeding in destructive force the bombing of Germany in WW2.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Hi Mr Leigh.

Russia launched between 200-300 missiles on 10 Ukrainian cities, tore them a new one after their terrorist attack on the bridge. But please do explain how missiles do Russia have left?

Also you were cheering the terrorist attack on the bridge in an earlier post. Why?
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Very few left. As British intel have confirmed. What terror attack?

Literally the only illegal terror attacks are the Russian missiles aimed at civilians
 
cpleigh said:
Very few left. As British intel have confirmed. What terror attack?

Literally the only illegal terror attacks are the Russian missiles aimed at civilians
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By definition the bridge attack is legally legitimate self-defence against a structure used for military purposes against the invaded nation.

If [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] wrote that post he is showing that he doesn’t know the LEGAL difference between self-defence and terrorism.
 
cpleigh said:
Very few left. As British intel have confirmed. What terror attack?

Literally the only illegal terror attacks are the Russian missiles aimed at civilians
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Very few left is what the UK MoD said several months ago.

If this is the chaos and panic being caused when they are running out, goodness knows what they could do if they declared war - which they won't.

Before you claim there is no panic, I suggest you look at all the speeches and meetings held since Monday.
 
Junaids said:
By definition the bridge attack is legally legitimate self-defence against a structure used for military purposes against the invaded nation.

If [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] wrote that post he is showing that he doesn’t know the LEGAL difference between self-defence and terrorism.
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What he means is that an intifada against Israel in the Occupied Territories is legitimate self-defence, but guerilla tactics in Crimea are terrorist because of the refraudendums Putin held there.
 
Robert said:
To be fair, at least 600,000 people died in Iraq due to water and power infrastructure collapse, and a violent crime wave. That was from The Lancet.
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How many died from USA/UK/NATO etc. bombings? and in Abu Gharib? How many children were raped, mutilated and then murdered by paedophile invaders?


Oh, and don't remind us that when USA/UK invade, it is for democracy and freedom purposes...
 
Over 1 MILLION died in the Iraq war and counting - this is not including the number of Iraqis displaced.

Over 100K died in the Afghanistan war, this is not including the number of Afghanis displaced.

Yet not one NATO/Liberal tree-hugger said a word or offered their homes for asylum, like they do for Ukrainians, in a war, where the number died do not even come close to NATO wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

This is cloaked racism at its finest.
 
the FSB confirmed 90k Russian soldiers have been incapacitaed, either dead, AWOL, captured or injured.

Jesus
 
cpleigh said:
the FSB confirmed 90k Russian soldiers have been incapacitaed, either dead, AWOL, captured or injured.

Jesus
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As always cpleigh quotes Russian losses but never the Ukrainian losses.

How about you start with the kherson counter offensive, how many losses did Ukraine suffer there?
 
Technics 1210 said:
Over 1 MILLION died in the Iraq war and counting - this is not including the number of Iraqis displaced.

Over 100K died in the Afghanistan war, this is not including the number of Afghanis displaced.

Yet not one NATO/Liberal tree-hugger said a word or offered their homes for asylum, like they do for Ukrainians, in a war, where the number died do not even come close to NATO wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

This is cloaked racism at its finest.
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the 1m is the 'excess deaths' by one study. All others don't have that figure anywhere near that.

More people will die in this war than the Iraq war. Its highly doubtful any NATO country would have allowed Iraqi civillians into their countries at that time, for obvious reasons. Plenty have settled afterwards though.

Thats a point... how many did Russia take in?
 
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As always cpleigh quotes Russian losses but never the Ukrainian losses.

How about you start with the kherson counter offensive, how many losses did Ukraine suffer there?
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I have no idea, like you. But by your maths, since you claim Ukraines losses are roughly 4 to 5 times more than russia it must be approaching 0.5m

which it clealry isnt
 
cpleigh said:
the 1m is the 'excess deaths' by one study. All others don't have that figure anywhere near that.

More people will die in this war than the Iraq war. Its highly doubtful any NATO country would have allowed Iraqi civillians into their countries at that time, for obvious reasons. Plenty have settled afterwards though.

Thats a point... how many did Russia take in?
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I'd be inclined to believe The Lancet. The massive shock-and-awe bombardment at the beginning took out power and water plants.
 
If you are white and European, and are in a war, then the UK doors and homes are open to you, if you are non-white and non-European and in an ILLEGAL war because of the West/NATO - it's your own problem.

If you are Muslim and in Europe, we do not care of your genocide.

The stealth and cloaked racism is astonishing.
 
Technics 1210 said:
If you are white and European, and are in a war, then the UK doors and homes are open to you, if you are non-white and non-European and in an ILLEGAL war because of the West/NATO - it's your own problem.

If you are Muslim and in Europe, we do not care of your genocide.

The stealth and cloaked racism is astonishing.
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Hilariuos... you constantly publish racism towards anything Jewish on this site. Don't even pretend to hide it.

But claim racism against Muslims or brown skinned people, whilst being one... and posting it from a NATO country.
 
cpleigh said:
Hilariuos... you constantly publish racism towards anything Jewish on this site. Don't even pretend to hide it.

But claim racism against Muslims or brown skinned people, whilst being one... and posting it from a NATO country.
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Just for your information/education:

Zionism is about the pursuit of an independent Jewish state.


...

Nowadays, the word Zionist is often used as a swearword. As a negative label. Many Palestinians and supporters of the Palestinian cause no longer distinguish between the words 'Jew', 'Israeli' and 'Zionist'. That is not correct. Most Jews do not live in Israel. Not every inhabitant of Israel is Jewish; there are also many non-Jews living in Israel. And not all Jewish Israelis are 'settlers' who want to conquer more and more Palestinian land.
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Source: https://www.annefrank.org/en/topics/antisemitism/are-all-jews-zionists/

PS: there are even so called Pakistani Zionists who are atheists.
 
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I was led to believe Liberals were the open-minded folk, turns out that Brexit, Covid, and Ukraine War has proven otherwise.

The only point proven in the past 5 years or so is that Liberalism is a stealth fascist and racist ideology, underpinned by hypocrisy.

Liberalism doesn't care about humanity, Liberalism only cares about the colour of your skin and the religion you practice.

These guys do not even want to prove they are the better person, whether it is to negotiate peace, or to swallow their pride.

5th Reich.
 
A typical tactic employed by Evil Zionists is to hide behind anti-Semitism as soon as they are called out for basically starting all major wars.
 
Why Ukraine's dream of an 'iron dome' to stop Putin's rockets is proving hard to realise.

Nato countries are struggling to secure enough air-defence systems to protect Ukraine’s skies, Western officials have warned, amid fears Kyiv will remain vulnerable to more Russian missile barrages.

Vladimir Putin’s aerial bombardment of Ukrainian city centres on Monday has prompted Kyiv to make securing Western air-defence systems its main priority.

Given the scarcity of Nato-standard air-defence platforms in Ukraine, its armed forces were forced to move systems that were defending cities to protect its troops taking part in counter-offensives.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-n...m-iron-dome-stop-putins-rockets-proving-hard/


Oh wait, Russia has run out of missiles! :)))
 
Technics 1210 said:
Oh wait, Russia has run out of missiles! :)))
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They still manage to fool people with the propaganda. One idiot on Sky news claimed taking out the energy infrastructure was a sign of weakness. Last week they were weak because they couldn't /wouldn't take it out.
 
bones said:
They still manage to fool people with the propaganda. One idiot on Sky news claimed taking out the energy infrastructure was a sign of weakness. Last week they were weak because they couldn't /wouldn't take it out.
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It’s a war crime.

International law explicitly prohibits an invading power from attacking a nation’s energy network.

Are you aware that you are advocating and supporting war crimes? Which makes you personally an accessory to war crimes.
 
Robert said:
What he means is that an intifada against Israel in the Occupied Territories is legitimate self-defence, but guerilla tactics in Crimea are terrorist because of the refraudendums Putin held there.
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There is an equivalence as follows:

Armed resistance to Russia in Crimea = armed resistance to Israel in the West Bank or Gaza.

Russian aggression v civilian targets in Ukraine = Israeli aggression v civilian targets in the West Bank and Gaza - only Russia’s attacks are far worse in number and casualties.
 
Junaids said:
It’s a war crime.

International law explicitly prohibits an invading power from attacking a nation’s energy network.

Are you aware that you are advocating and supporting war crimes? Which makes you personally an accessory to war crimes.
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Amreeka bombarded power and water plants in Iraq.

Since you support Amreeka and UK with their illegal invasion of Iraq, that makes you an accessory to war crimes too.

No one cares about your hypocrisy anymore, you do a great job exposing yourself.
 
Junaids said:
It’s a war crime.

International law explicitly prohibits an invading power from attacking a nation’s energy network.

Are you aware that you are advocating and supporting war crimes? Which makes you personally an accessory to war crimes.
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Quick, call the Hague and tell them about the poster on PakPassion's forums.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Amreeka bombarded power and water plants in Iraq.

Since you support Amreeka and UK with their illegal invasion of Iraq, that makes you an accessory to war crimes too.

No one cares about your hypocrisy anymore, you do a great job exposing yourself.
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I really couldn't give a flying XXXX about your attempts to excuse Russia's sociopathic mass murdering behaviour by always comparing to something done in the past by someone who is not in power now. And I never supported the Iraq war anyway.

Please explain why it is legitimate and reasonable to bomb playgrounds and civilian targets in Ukraine.
 
Terrific article in "The Atlantic" by Phillips O'Brien (Professor of Strategic Studies at St Andrews) today.
Source: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...ssia-and-ukraine-wage-war-differently/671705/

Russia Just Showed Why It’s Floundering in Ukraine
Indiscriminate violence reveals Putin’s powerlessness to overcome Ukrainian resistance.

By Phillips Payson O’Brien

On Saturday, Ukraine showed why it is winning its war against Russia. On Monday, Russia showed why it is losing. Those two days revealed sharp contrasts between the two militaries. One is clever, well prepared, willing to undertake complex operations, and focused on maximally damaging its enemy’s ability to fight. The other is prone to bursts of rage and is open to committing any crime possible, but its actions are ultimately self-defeating.

The Ukrainian attack on the Crimean Bridge was typical of how the Ukrainian high command has waged war. Also known as the Kerch Bridge, the span was a legitimate military target. The road link between Russian-occupied Crimea and Russia itself has been helpful to the invaders’ war effort, but far more important are the railroad lines that run across it. The Russian army depends on trains for its supply of heavy equipment and ammunition. This reliance is a major liability. Especially after the Ukrainians have captured or destroyed so many Russian vehicles, the invasion force lacks enough trucks to ship supplies to locations remote from working rail lines. Though the level of damage to the tracks on the Crimean Bridge is unclear, their capacity to carry freight was reduced at least temporarily. Another attack might rupture them completely.

Earlier Ukrainian attacks against Russian rail capacity, most notably the High Mobility Artillery Rocket System strikes that started in July, have cut Vladimir Putin’s forces in Ukraine into two separate supply zones that do not support each other. Russian forces in the east, based around Donetsk and Luhansk, can draw their supplies from directly over the Russian border. But the Ukrainians have essentially cut the rail lines from those areas to Russian forces in the south and west. So everything needed by the Russian soldiers trying to hold off Ukrainian counteroffensives in the Kherson region must be shipped by rail over the Crimean Bridge and up through the Crimean peninsula. If the Ukrainians could sever that rail line completely, Russian stockpiles at the front would soon run down, food and medical equipment would likely grow scarce, and already tired Russian soldiers would eventually lose the ability to mount sustained operations.

Russia’s dependence on this one supply line has been a constant source of worry for Putin and his generals. Its evident vulnerability is one reason they supposedly went to great lengths to defend the Crimean Bridge from attack. This is what made Saturday’s operation so crucial: The Ukrainians identified a logistical target of potentially decisive importance, secretly developed a plan to eliminate it, kept word from leaking out, and then executed the plan with considerable success.

The operation came as a huge shock in Moscow. Unnamed Ukrainian officials have told media outlets that their country’s intelligence services had used a truck bomb on the bridge, but Kyiv still has not officially taken responsibility for the attack, much less disclosed its methods. The uncertainty allows Ukraine and its supporters to troll the Russians, circulating multiple theories about what happened, including the possibility that the bridge explosion was an act of sabotage by an anti-Putin political group in Russia. (Earlier today, Russian domestic-intelligence officials announced the arrest of eight people, including five Russian citizens, in connection with the incident.) The operation and subsequent propaganda efforts are bound to make Russians fear that the Ukrainians will attack the bridge again.

On Monday, the Russians responded in a manner that was both homicidal and pointless. Starting early in the morning, they fired almost every type of missile in their arsenal—including their supposedly accurate Kalibr cruise missiles; repurposed, less accurate S-300 anti-aircraft missiles; and Iranian kamikaze drones—against civilian targets in major Ukrainian cities. For two days they used this motley collection of expensive weaponry to show Ukraine their anger and muscle and to mollify nationalist hard-liners incensed over Russia’s recent defeats. Yet Russian officials are inadvertently revealing their powerlessness over much of Ukrainian resistance. The total cost of this Russian operation will be enormous. One advanced missile can cost more than $10 million—and Russia has fired many of them. Moreover, because of sanctions that keep it from obtaining high-tech equipment such as advanced microchips, Russia will have great difficulty replenishing its shrinking supply.

And what has it gained from this extraordinary expenditure? The Russians have hit little of military value. The missiles and drones that penetrated Ukrainian air defenses hit a bizarre assortment of mostly unthreatening targets—residential districts, public parks, a tourist bridge, some government buildings, and a few infrastructure facilities of modest importance. Far from damaging Ukraine’s ability to fight off the invasion, this week’s strikes have probably increased it in three distinct ways. First, they have provided the Ukrainians with more experience shooting down Russian offensive equipment. The defenders have learned to adjust to new equipment with impressive speed. So far, Ukraine has credibly claimed to have shot down at least half of the missiles Russia has targeted at the country since Monday, a sign that its armed forces are getting better and better at what they do.

Also, instead of weakening Ukrainian resistance, these Russian attacks will likely turbocharge it. Little historical evidence suggests that military atrocities against civilians weaken the morale of a country under attack. Such violence typically deepens the desire to resist the attacker. Already convinced that they were in an existential conflict with Russia, Ukrainians will now be even more skeptical of any deal Putin offers. They know that this is an enemy they can never trust. Russian soldiers in their weakened position on the front lines, and recent conscripts being hastily trained for deployment, will find themselves fighting an even more implacable and determined Ukrainian foe.

Finally, Ukraine’s allies are responding by providing more aid—including the vital air-defense equipment that President Volodymyr Zelensky’s government has been eager to procure. Just yesterday, for instance, the German government announced that it had delivered an Iris-T air-defense system to Ukraine. The United States also says it intends to speed up the shipment of National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile Systems. Going forward, Russia’s attacks will likely increase the pressure on other NATO countries to hasten the transfer of advanced weaponry to Ukraine.

So although Russia’s sadistically eye-catching missile campaign might play well on Russian TV, it is an expensive strategic disaster for Russia’s military goals.

Events since Saturday illustrate why the war has unfolded as it has. One tightly targeted, carefully planned, and well-executed operation opens up the possibility of great strategic gains for Ukraine. In contrast, an expensive, showy, brutal campaign by Putin’s military forces has only made Russia’s task harder. The Russians have misunderstood the fundamental dynamics of this war from the start, and their inability to adjust continues to be a great advantage for Ukraine.
 
SalimBhai said:
two wrongs dont make a right
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The argument of people like @Technics_1210 and [MENTION=139649]WhenSultansBowled[/MENTION] seems to equate to:

"There are rapists and murderers in my society. So that entitles me to rape and murder whoever I feel like."

I'm sick of this whataboutism. They are perfectly happy for the Russians to continue stealing from every Ukrainian house and raping every Ukrainian female and killing whoever they feel like, just because somebody else treated people of these posters' religion badly.

And incidentally, every liberated village in the Russian-speaking parts of Ukraine tells the same tale.

The Russians don't just rape and pillage from ethnic Ukrainian parts of Ukraine. They rob and rape Russian-speaking Ukrainians too.
 
From Euan McDonald….

“Russia modifying 800 T-62 tanks, some probably more than 50 years old, for its war in Ukraine.

This probably means it has run out of all of its modern (relatively) T-64, T-72 and T-80 tanks, and can’t manufacture new ones.”.
 
Photos in of the Russians using D1 howitzers in Ukraine.

Yep, that really is a 1943-vintage howitzer.
 
Junaids said:
The argument of people like @Technics_1210 and [MENTION=139649]WhenSultansBowled[/MENTION] seems to equate to:

"There are rapists and murderers in my society. So that entitles me to rape and murder whoever I feel like."
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Some religious types to tend to be from the 'eye for eye, tooth for a tooth' brigade.
 
bones said:
Wasn't the "economic shock and awe" sanctions supposed to do the opposite? I have to laugh at the stupidity of people who thought that they could bring down Russia.
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Perhaps. The stupidity matches the people who thought the military war, sorry, Special Military Operation would be over in a week.
 
Junaids said:
I really couldn't give a flying XXXX about your attempts to excuse Russia's sociopathic mass murdering behaviour by always comparing to something done in the past by someone who is not in power now. And I never supported the Iraq war anyway.

Please explain why it is legitimate and reasonable to bomb playgrounds and civilian targets in Ukraine.
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So you admit you are an accessory to war crimes (by your own definition), and a hypocrite.

All is fair in love and war as the saying goes, you clearly have no problems when NATO bomb innocent targets, so, deal with it - a taste of your own medicine, doctor.

:)
 
Abel Reames said:
Perhaps. The stupidity matches the people who thought the military war, sorry, Special Military Operation would be over in a week.
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It isn't a military war, it may become one though. The Russians didn't attack the communication lines or the energy. In fact most of the bridges and rail-road in Ukraine are still operating. If the Russians declared/decalre war that changes.
 
cpleigh said:
Wow... the Russians are digging trenches in Luhansk.

Welcome to 1916
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Once again. Russians do "X" post a fake shocked comment. Ukranians do "X" and no comment. The Ukranians have been trenches all over the Donbas since 2014 and not a single mention by you. Why?
 
bones said:
Once again. Russians do "X" post a fake shocked comment. Ukranians do "X" and no comment. The Ukranians have been trenches all over the Donbas since 2014 and not a single mention by you. Why?
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Not on the scale the Russians are doing... its 300km long! Thats old fashioned trench warfare.

You really need to get over this mentality issue... 'But, but, but Ukraine have done it... sobs'

Grow up
 
cpleigh said:
Not on the scale the Russians are doing... its 300km long! Thats old fashioned trench warfare.

You really need to get over this mentality issue... 'But, but, but Ukraine have done it... sobs'

Grow up
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Given that Ukraine is still shelling civilian areas in Donestk. It seems like an excellent idea.
 
Junaids said:
From Euan McDonald….

“Russia modifying 800 T-62 tanks, some probably more than 50 years old, for its war in Ukraine.

This probably means it has run out of all of its modern (relatively) T-64, T-72 and T-80 tanks, and can’t manufacture new ones.”.
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I wonder where the vaunted Armatas are. Or even the T-90s.
 
Junaids said:
The argument of people like @Technics_1210 and @<a href="http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/member.php?u=139649" target="_blank">WhenSultansBowled</a> seems to equate to:

"There are rapists and murderers in my society. So that entitles me to rape and murder whoever I feel like."

I'm sick of this whataboutism. They are perfectly happy for the Russians to continue stealing from every Ukrainian house and raping every Ukrainian female and killing whoever they feel like, just because somebody else treated people of these posters' religion badly.

And incidentally, every liberated village in the Russian-speaking parts of Ukraine tells the same tale.

The Russians don't just rape and pillage from ethnic Ukrainian parts of Ukraine. They rob and rape Russian-speaking Ukrainians too.
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:facepalm: It was a bit more than "treated badly" by "someone".

What a hopeless post.

 
West/NATO : We will bomb who we like, when we like, with what we like, in the name of democracy, freedom, and liberation; to further champion our political and Imperial ambitions.

Rest of the word : We will do the same

WEST/NATO : 2 wrongs don't make a right.

:)))
 
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