Russia invades Ukraine

[JaDed]

Russia has 140 million + population, not really a small number.

Yeah meant it in terms of their Army personnel , which is 280k ish..

 

[KingKhanWC]

Western economy or European economy? American Big Oil is minting money right now.

World will figure out alternatives, West is always well placed to face recession not poor countries.

Hopefully India and Pakistan can buy oil from Russia at cheaper prices like they plan to.

When Europe suffers so will USA esp if Oil starting flowing out in Yuan or Rubles.

India and Pak should take full advantage and secure supplies for the next few years.

 

[JaDed]

India will due to its economy and due to the fact West needs them against China, Pakistan and its ****** politicians are too sell outs nor does Pakistan has a strong economy to upset the West.

Our economy, while improving, is still dependent on a lot of trade with the West.

Pakistan economy will do well if IK keeps implementing austerity measures, West will not
sanction Pakistan for Russia or China, they might write letters at best and IK should let his ego go and not respond to them in anger.

This is the best Pakistan’s outlook has looked in since 2006 to me atleast.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Pakistan economy will do well if IK keeps implementing austerity measures, West will not
sanction Pakistan for Russia or China, they might write letters at best and IK should let his ego go and not respond to them in anger.

This is the best Pakistan’s outlook has looked in since 2006 to me atleast.

Election at latest is next October. So if IK survives the no confidence austerity is gone until after the election. He already cut the price of petrol. And if the opposition takes over they will do the same.

 

[JaDed]

Election at latest is next October. So if IK survives the no confidence austerity is gone until after the election. He already cut the price of petrol. And if the opposition takes over they will do the same.

That’s disastrous!

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

If western sources are to be believed this war is a disaster for Russia. They should not have invaded the entire Ukraine. They should have restricted the war to the Donbass region. And maybe the areas near Crimea so they link that to the rest of Russia.

 

[JaDed]

If western sources are to be believed this war is a disaster for Russia. They should not have invaded the entire Ukraine. They should have restricted the war to the Donbass region. And maybe the areas near Crimea so they link that to the rest of Russia.

Russians are hinting at that:


"The combat potential of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has been considerably reduced, which ... makes it possible to focus our core efforts on achieving the main goal, the liberation of Donbass," said Sergei Rudskoi, head of the Russian General Staff's Main Operational Directorate.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ukraine-urges-halt-russias-assault-biden-heads-poland-2022-03-25/

Russia clearly underestimated Western appetite for
sanctions and Ukrainian resistance.

 

[KingKhanWC]

If western sources are to be believed this war is a disaster for Russia. They should not have invaded the entire Ukraine. They should have restricted the war to the Donbass region. And maybe the areas near Crimea so they link that to the rest of Russia.

If only defending Donbass, it would have allowed Nato to send in many more weapons, militants and allow Kiev to organse a strong offensive.

Russia has won the war weeks ago. Ukraine has accepted it will sign a treaty to be neutral, not being in Nato.

 

[James]

AlJazeera

<b>Russian focus on ‘liberating’ Donbas hints at shift in strategy</b>

<I>Ukrainian resistance may mean that Russia is changing its strategy to more limited goals and focusing on Donbas.</I>

Russia has claimed that the first phase of its “military operation” in Ukraine was mostly complete, and that it would focus on completely “liberating” eastern Ukraine’s Donbas region.

The announcement on Friday appeared to indicate that Russia may be switching to more limited goals after running into fierce Ukrainian resistance in the first month of the war in Ukraine.

The defence ministry said Russian-backed separatists now controlled 93 percent of Ukraine’s Luhansk region and 54 percent of the Donetsk region – the two areas that jointly make up the Donbas.

“The main objectives of the first stage of the operation have generally been accomplished,” Sergei Rudskoi, head of the Russian General Staff’s Main Operational Directorate, said.

“The combat potential of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has been considerably reduced, which … makes it possible to focus our core efforts on achieving the main goal, the liberation of Donbas.”

He said Russian forces had “practically” destroyed Ukraine’s air force and anti-aircraft defences, as well as the navy. Despite that claim, Ukrainian fighter jets have continued flying sorties from bases in western Ukraine.

Russia sent tens of thousands of troops into Ukraine on February 24 in what it called a “special operation” to weaken its southern neighbour’s military capabilities and root out people it called dangerous nationalists.

The West has imposed sweeping sanctions on Russia in an effort to force it to withdraw its forces.

Rudskoi said 1,351 Russian soldiers had died in the operation and 3,825 had been injured. Russia’s military had not given an official casualty figure since March 2, when it said 498 soldiers had been killed.

Ukraine’s military has said some 15,000 Russian soldiers have been killed in combat.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/25/russian-army-says-will-focus-on-liberation-of-donbas-region

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Russians are hinting at that:


"The combat potential of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has been considerably reduced, which ... makes it possible to focus our core efforts on achieving the main goal, the liberation of Donbass," said Sergei Rudskoi, head of the Russian General Staff's Main Operational Directorate.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ukraine-urges-halt-russias-assault-biden-heads-poland-2022-03-25/

Russia clearly underestimated Western appetite for
sanctions and Ukrainian resistance.

Seems too late for this now to be perceived as a win. The same result before the war, Russia gets Donbass, a link to Crimea, Ukraine wont join Nato would be great. But now will be viewed as a humiliating loss.

Zelentsky will probably get the Nobel Peace Prize. Russia will be viewed as a pariah until Putin goes.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

If only defending Donbass, it would have allowed Nato to send in many more weapons, militants and allow Kiev to organse a strong offensive.

Russia has won the war weeks ago. Ukraine has accepted it will sign a treaty to be neutral, not being in Nato.

That makes sense, to attack all of Ukraine so Ukraine has defend multiple places.

However the optics look bad. They said they wanted the "denazification of ukraine". Zeletnsky is still their. Had they said we only want Donbas and attacked everywhere until they got it, it would be seen as a Russian win. And i dont think they would have been sanctioned to the same degree. Now they are viewed as a pariah. They are sanctioned, banned from FIFA, Putin is seen as a war criminal, etc.


After the war they should say they are willing to withdraw from Donbass as soon as Israel leaves the West Bank. This might divide international opinion and take pressure of Russia.

 

[KingKhanWC]

That makes sense, to attack all of Ukraine so Ukraine has defend multiple places.

However the optics look bad. They said they wanted the "denazification of ukraine". Zeletnsky is still their. Had they said we only want Donbas and attacked everywhere until they got it, it would be seen as a Russian win. And i dont think they would have been sanctioned to the same degree. Now they are viewed as a pariah. They are sanctioned, banned from FIFA, Putin is seen as a war criminal, etc.


After the war they should say they are willing to withdraw from Donbass as soon as Israel leaves the West Bank. This might divide international opinion and take pressure of Russia.

In a normal would this would of course be more than fair but Zionism wants to weaken Russia. A lot of reasons but the main is Russians are now Orthodox Christians, who oppose Zionism.

I feel Russia doesnt just the conflict to end but also to bring about a new balance of power in the world.

Russia is hurting with sanctions but also realises the western nations will suffer bigtime too as they are the ones in huge debt, while Russia doesnt owe much at all.

 

[90MPH]

If western sources are to be believed this war is a disaster for Russia. They should not have invaded the entire Ukraine. They should have restricted the war to the Donbass region. And maybe the areas near Crimea so they link that to the rest of Russia.

Of course it’s a disaster, how can anyone think otherwise as it’s becoming obvious with more time that Russia hasn’t captured any major Ukraine city yet, barring Mariupol but they have totally destroyed or damaged nearly 90% of it.

If confirmed that the Russians have lost 20 battalions (out of 120 that were massed at the border before the war began) then I don’t know what else to call it other than disasterous.

From a millitary point of view they have botched this big time, all they can do now is saving face by taking Mariupol to build a land bridge from Crimea and Donbas.

Otherwise Putin probably sees the writing on the wall that he can’t take over Ukraine like he had envisaged a month ago. Hopefully he sees this sooner rather than later and ends this disastrous war for both countries.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

India will due to its economy and due to the fact West needs them against China, Pakistan and its ****** politicians are too sell outs nor does Pakistan has a strong economy to upset the West.

Our economy, while improving, is still dependent on a lot of trade with the West.

Trade is a legitimate weapon for the west to use. The problem for the rest of the world is when it is combined with military interference outside their bounds to stop other countries from using trade to develop themselves.

 

[MenInG]

Ukrainian troops have dealt Russia 'powerful blows' - Zelenskyy

In his night-time video address, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said his troops' resistance had dealt Russia "powerful blows".

He called for Moscow to negotiate an end to the war, but warned he would not give up sovereign territory.

"Our defenders are leading the Russian leadership to a simple and logical idea: we must talk, talk meaningfully, urgently and fairly," he said.

Mr Zelenskyy went on to claim that more than 16,000 Russian troops had now been killed in the conflict.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Ordinary Ukrainians are the biggest losers but Russia is getting pummeled and humiliated.

Putin the psychopath has led thousands of young Russians like lambs to the slaughter. Russian soldiers were given image that they were going to be given bouquets of roses when their tanks roll into Ukrainian cities. Instead they are getting their behinds handed to them.

The worst part from Russian perspective is that even Russian speaking Ukrainians which always had sympathy and often, loyalty, with Russia are now turning against the madman Putin. I personally know 2 Ukrainian citizens with one of them being Russian speaking from Donetsk. Even he has turned against Russia now and his parents who were working in Kyiv have fled to Poland. Putin the power hungry clown has alienated even his so called ‘brothers.’ Kharkiv - the biggest Russian speaking city - has turned into rubble and is on its way to becoming another Grozsny.

Also shoutouts to the Chechen’s and Tartars for supporting Ukrainians and not being the sellouts like Ramzan Kadyrov

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

If only defending Donbass, it would have allowed Nato to send in many more weapons, militants and allow Kiev to organse a strong offensive.

Russia has won the war weeks ago. Ukraine has accepted it will sign a treaty to be neutral, not being in Nato.

Ukraine was never going to be in NATO. At no point was any offer made. Nor even any serious discussion.

Putin army has been humiliated and thousands of young Russians and Ukrainians have lost their lives for nothing.

 

[bones]

Of course it’s a disaster, how can anyone think otherwise as it’s becoming obvious with more time that Russia hasn’t captured any major Ukraine city yet, barring Mariupol but they have totally destroyed or damaged nearly 90% of it.

If confirmed that the Russians have lost 20 battalions (out of 120 that were massed at the border before the war began) then I don’t know what else to call it other than disasterous.

From a millitary point of view they have botched this big time, all they can do now is saving face by taking Mariupol to build a land bridge from Crimea and Donbas.

Otherwise Putin probably sees the writing on the wall that he can’t take over Ukraine like he had envisaged a month ago. Hopefully he sees this sooner rather than later and ends this disastrous war for both countries.

Here is an expert in the field of warfare declaring what a failure/success is.

Have you seen the Russian plan? Do you care to share the Russian plan that you have with us? I mean we can only say if it’s a military success or failure if we look at the plan.

I don’t have the Russian plan so the best I can do is use what they told us prior to the event as a reference.

They do not want to occupy Ukraine, this backed up by the low number of troops sent 190k. To occupy they needed a minimum of 10 times more troops.

They want to denazify and demilitarise Ukraine, they are doing this the evidence is in the tactical strikes and where they are bypassing and where they are engaging.

They want Donbas and Crimea and they are working on that, about 85% of the way there. You have to remember the Ukrainian army has 50-60k troops in the south east, part of why Putin started this invasion.

Finally the Russians stated the should avoid collateral damage. This is evident by the low number of civilian deaths compared to so many other conflicts. This has led to huge losses on the Russian side and unnecessarily. Frankly I think they have been too nice because once you arm your population as Zelensky did - don’t they become legitimate targets?

Anyways if you have the Russian operations plans please share with us. Let me rephrase please share what the Russian plans are with us because you keep telling us that the “war is not going to plan”.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Ordinary Ukrainians are the biggest losers but Russia is getting pummeled and humiliated.

Putin the psychopath has led thousands of young Russians like lambs to the slaughter. Russian soldiers were given image that they were going to be given bouquets of roses when their tanks roll into Ukrainian cities. Instead they are getting their behinds handed to them.

The worst part from Russian perspective is that even Russian speaking Ukrainians which always had sympathy and often, loyalty, with Russia are now turning against the madman Putin. I personally know 2 Ukrainian citizens with one of them being Russian speaking from Donetsk. Even he has turned against Russia now and his parents who were working in Kyiv have fled to Poland. Putin the power hungry clown has alienated even his so called ‘brothers.’ Kharkiv - the biggest Russian speaking city - has turned into rubble and is on its way to becoming another Grozsny.

Also shoutouts to the Chechen’s and Tartars for supporting Ukrainians and not being the sellouts like Ramzan Kadyrov

This war is beyond ordinary Ukrainians / Russians.

We don't know who is winning or losing. If in doubt, just check the Afghanistan thread from summer 2021. (Indians are still in denial lol ). If I have to guess, in this war's case, truth is in between propaganda campaigns of pro Nato / pro Russia sides.

This war's outcome will set up the "new world economic and power order".

It is naive to think that one party is the good guys and the other one is bad guys.

Everyone is throwing in their mercenary cards. The Isis fighters, the anti-Isis, the European/Aukus/Canadian etc. mercenaries, the pro Russian Chechans, the anti Russian Chechans... everyone is welcome. You see, all these mercenaries or terrorists are on these powers' payroll and now is the time to do their masters' bidding in a new conflict.

We, the common people, have this info because telegram exists and information is so easy to share. Otherwise, you can only read BBC or RT and see for yourself how news have nothing to do with reality.

No jokes, just check the Afghanistan thread, the articles and videos getting published there and see the reality after 10 months.

But you are absolutely correct in saying the real victims are common people who are suffering because of warc criminals ( from all sides ).

I repeat, the only sane option for Ukrainian people is to overthrow pro Nato puppet and install a pro Russian puppet. Why?

1. Nato ain't gonna put their soldiers in. They will keep on supplying weapons/money to keep Russia busy but in the end it will be Ukrainians who will die and it will be their country that will be destroyed. Meanwhile, just FYI, NATO is still buying ridiculous amount of stuff from Russia every friggin day. This is pure hypocrisy.

2. Ukraine is not Afghanistan and Ukraine doesn't have a Pakistan who can provide training, support and nonstop help against an invader.

3. Russia is not very far away from Ukraine and this time they will not make the same mistakes.

I just feel sorry for Ukrainians who are suffering because someone somewhere very far away needs a war to make some money.

 

[MenInG]

Russia appears to scale back invasion ambitions - but UK warns bombardment of cities will continue

Russia appears to be scaling back its ambitions in Ukraine to focus on consolidating control of eastern areas - however the UK has warned that for now the bombardment of cities is likely to continue.

Russia's defence ministry claimed it would now concentrate on the "liberation" of the Donbas region.

"The main objectives of the first stage of the operation have generally been accomplished," said Sergei Rudskoi, head of the Russian General Staff's Main Operational Directorate.

"The combat potential of the armed forces of Ukraine has been considerably reduced, which makes it possible to focus our core efforts on achieving the main goal - the liberation of Donbas."

SKY

 

[90MPH]

Ordinary Ukrainians are the biggest losers but Russia is getting pummeled and humiliated.

Putin the psychopath has led thousands of young Russians like lambs to the slaughter. Russian soldiers were given image that they were going to be given bouquets of roses when their tanks roll into Ukrainian cities. Instead they are getting their behinds handed to them.

The worst part from Russian perspective is that even Russian speaking Ukrainians which always had sympathy and often, loyalty, with Russia are now turning against the madman Putin. I personally know 2 Ukrainian citizens with one of them being Russian speaking from Donetsk. Even he has turned against Russia now and his parents who were working in Kyiv have fled to Poland. Putin the power hungry clown has alienated even his so called ‘brothers.’ Kharkiv - the biggest Russian speaking city - has turned into rubble and is on its way to becoming another Grozsny.

Also shoutouts to the Chechen’s and Tartars for supporting Ukrainians and not being the sellouts like Ramzan Kadyrov

The Russian army has already lost 7 generals in this war. This is unheard of, when was the last time this happened to them ?

The Russian millitary is suffering from poor morale, they have had desertions, frostbite and their millitary vehicles are getting stalled because the Russian top brass didn’t even have the right wheels for the soft Ukrainian turf. That’s how poorly they planned this invasion.

Their tactics have been woefully inadequate - they have failed to make use of what is called “combined armed tactics” where you use all the tools in your disposal like artillery, tanks, helicopters and drones together with the infantry in what could have a much more successful war effort for them but they didn’t do that. It just shows how totally uncoordinated their massive millitary machine has been for this war.

So in conclusion there is no dressing this up - Putin tried to take ove the whole of Ukraine and failed abysmally. The Russian millitary has overall performed abysmally given their past record and reputation while the Ukrainian millitary punched above their weight given their limitations.
They have been very smart in using hit and run tactics before melting away because they know their home territory and the Russians don’t.

All they can do now is pathetically shell and send missiles outside the cities which obviously the civilians are going to take the brunt of.

Yet we have some totally deluded people in this thread like [MENTION=135003]bones[/MENTION] who is living in an alternative planet consumed with bogus Russian propaganda which is riddled with lies from jokers like Joe Lauria who retweets conspiracy theorists on twitter - dude at least get better informed content rather than these con artists. But when you live in such a bubble it’s hard to get out.

 

[cpleigh]

The Russian army has already lost 7 generals in this war. This is unheard of, when was the last time this happened to them ?

The Russian millitary is suffering from poor morale, they have had desertions, frostbite and their millitary vehicles are getting stalled because the Russian top brass didn’t even have the right wheels for the soft Ukrainian turf. That’s how poorly they planned this invasion.

Their tactics have been woefully inadequate - they have failed to make use of what is called “combined armed tactics” where you use all the tools in your disposal like artillery, tanks, helicopters and drones together with the infantry in what could have a much more successful war effort for them but they didn’t do that. It just shows how totally uncoordinated their massive millitary machine has been for this war.

So in conclusion there is no dressing this up - Putin tried to take ove the whole of Ukraine and failed abysmally. The Russian millitary has overall performed abysmally given their past record and reputation while the Ukrainian millitary punched above their weight given their limitations.
They have been very smart in using hit and run tactics before melting away because they know their home territory and the Russians don’t.

All they can do now is pathetically shell and send missiles outside the cities which obviously the civilians are going to take the brunt of.

Yet we have some totally deluded people in this thread like [MENTION=135003]bones[/MENTION] who is living in an alternative planet consumed with bogus Russian propaganda which is riddled with lies from jokers like Joe Lauria who retweets conspiracy theorists on twitter - dude at least get better informed content rather than these con artists. But when you live in such a bubble it’s hard to get out.

Ukraine are now counter attacking in kherson, and hope \ expect to retake the ONLY city to have fallen to Russia today or tomorrow, plus the huge counter attack in Kiev that has pushed Russia upto 70km back and looks like they have encircled 20k Russian troops.

I think that tells everybody about the Russian invasion

 

[Bewal Express]

It will be an utter humiliation for Putin if he now backs down after killing so many innocent people and 1000s of his own soldiers. What an absolute idiot. Lets hope sense prevails and the war stops.

 

[bones]

Ukraine are now counter attacking in kherson, and hope \ expect to retake the ONLY city to have fallen to Russia today or tomorrow, plus the huge counter attack in Kiev that has pushed Russia upto 70km back and looks like they have encircled 20k Russian troops.

I think that tells everybody about the Russian invasion

Your information is out of date. The Ukranians have pushed halfway up to Moscow now.

 

[Technics 1210]

NATO supporters seem to be getting confused. While it is correct that Ukraine was never going to join NATO, why was the West/NATO arming Ukraine? For giggles?

 

[Pakpak]

Trade is a legitimate weapon for the west to use. The problem for the rest of the world is when it is combined with military interference outside their bounds to stop other countries from using trade to develop themselves.

It is a weapon. They went all in against Russia not because there is some love for Ukraine (I mean when have they cared for Ukraine, if they did they wouldn't have let Crimea get away), they went all in to signal to other nations that this is what happens when you go against Western interests. You will be crippled. It was a subtle warning to China too when it comes to Taiwan even though the West knows China is a different beast.

The entire thing is just a big joke. Imagine Mexico or Canada being armed by China, like Taiwan is by US. Imagine them joining Russia's custom Union, like old Soviet states have been in the EU and NATO....US's response would have been emphatic and brutal. Nations like Cuba, even now, are still being punished for decade old ''crimes''.

The real victims? Ukraine's civilians. Instead of telling Ukraine to stay neutral till they are more powerful economically or militarily the West decides, no, we will flood weapons into the country. They want to bleed Russia but don't really care if thousands of Ukrainians die. It was clear from the start too Germany and Italy did not want to go all in against Russia but were strong armed by the US. One of my best friends was in the German's armed forces as a soldier and told me how bad the German army is but in turn their economy, health care is great. Their economy is the same size as India's. The US has basically put pressure on them to arm themselves to the teeth (Germany will now be number 3 in defense expenditure), not because of the goodwill that Germans will be able to more powerful, but so the US can go and focus on China.

Most SJW still fail to see international politics isn't about goodwill or emotions, its ruthless politics. The West weaponizes sanctions and the US uses a dollar as a nuke when it pleases.

 

[MenInG]

Several "powerful" explosions have struck the outskirts of the western Ukrainian city of Lviv.

Lviv governor Maksym Kozytskyy said there had been two missile strikes at about 2.45pm UK time. Shortly before 5pm, the governor said there had been three more explosions.

It is understood an oil depot was hit in the first attack. Five people were injured in the initial strikes, Mr Kozytskyy said.

Both he and the city's mayor, Andriy Sadovyi, have urged people to stay indoors. "Stay in the shelters!" Mr Kozytskyy said. "Don't walk down the street! Don't take pictures of anything! Do not read information in anonymous Telegram channels and do not spread it from there!"

SKY

 

[cpleigh]

Your information is out of date. The Ukranians have pushed halfway up to Moscow now.

How's Russia doing mate? You know that so called 2nd biggest power in the world? Utter embarrassment.

I live in the uk... the mention of the red army brought fear. Not now. Crap army led by a deluded loon.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

It will be an utter humiliation for Putin if he now backs down after killing so many innocent people and 1000s of his own soldiers. What an absolute idiot. Lets hope sense prevails and the war stops.

Even russia has backtracked officially. They have said they will focus on main target of ‘liberating’ the Donbas region. Russia already had control over majority of those regions over the past few years so this logiv makes no sense and they are unsuccessfully trying to save face

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

How's Russia doing mate? You know that so called 2nd biggest power in the world? Utter embarrassment.

I live in the uk... the mention of the red army brought fear. Not now. Crap army led by a deluded loon.

It’s a clown show with thousands upon thousands of unprepared teenagers sent to their deaths.

 

[Bewal Express]

Even russia has backtracked officially. They have said they will focus on main target of ‘liberating’ the Donbas region. Russia already had control over majority of those regions over the past few years so this logiv makes no sense and they are unsuccessfully trying to save face

If he takes Donbas and then claims victory then the Russian people will ask what was the point of getting 1000s of his own soldiers killed, he could have done that in day without 1000s dead. A terrible error of historical proportions which cost 1000s of lives.

 

[bones]

Honestly the stupidity is off the charts. It’s only one month into the operation and with just a third of the troops that UA have the Russians have taken a huge geographical area.

They haven’t used a fraction of their Air Force yet they continue to move forward . The general rule is you need between 5 and 10 times more units as an invading force to occupy. This is what most military officials say. So clearly even the most pro Ukrainian people have to acknowledge that the Russians had no intention of occupying

 

[Firebat]

Latest developments

Zelensky considers neutrality: Ukraine would be prepared to discuss adopting neutral status, its President Volodymyr Zelensky has said. In an interview with Russian media he says such a status would have to be guaranteed by third parties and put to a referendum. One of Russia's President Vladimir Putin's demands has been that Ukraine renounces its intention to join Nato

Russia "trying to split Ukraine": The Ukrainian military intelligence service is warning that Russia is trying to split Ukraine into two halves, similar to North and South Korea. Intelligence chief Kyrylo Budanov says Russia's President Putin is trying to separate the eastern and southern parts of Ukraine from the rest of the country

Russia transfers civilians: Ukraine has accused Russia of forcibly relocating thousands of civilians from Mariupol, the strategic port city devastated by Russian shelling. Russia is housing an estimated 5,000 people at a temporary camp in Bezimenne, east of Mariupol

US denies calling for regime change: US Secretary of State Antony Blinken has denied that the United States has plans to bring about regime change in Russia. Mr Blinken's comments come a day after President Joe Biden said his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, shouldn't be allowed to remain in power. Biden's remarks prompted warnings they could hamper efforts to end the war.

BBC

 

[silentkiller187]

Ukraine's government is willing to consider declaring neutrality and offering security guarantees to Russia, including keeping the country nuclear-free, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has said.

Speaking to independent Russian journalists on Sunday, he said that the issue of neutrality and agreeing to stay out of NATO should be put to Ukrainian voters in a referendum after Russian troops withdraw.

He added that a vote could happen within months after Russian troops leave the country - prompting the Kremlin to quickly ban the interview from being published.

 

[captain.hansolo]

Ukraine's government is willing to consider declaring neutrality and offering security guarantees to Russia, including keeping the country nuclear-free, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has said.

Speaking to independent Russian journalists on Sunday, he said that the issue of neutrality and agreeing to stay out of NATO should be put to Ukrainian voters in a referendum after Russian troops withdraw.

He added that a vote could happen within months after Russian troops leave the country - prompting the Kremlin to quickly ban the interview from being published.

I believe they had offered that on the first day of the invasion: neutrality and even offered to withdraw their EU membership request.

Sensing that the tide was in his favor, Putin declined, refusing even to have a dialogue. But now with every passing day and mounting casualties, I am sure he is going to begin imprisoning his inner circle as he suspects the inevitable usurpering.

 

[MenInG]

Zelenskyy: 'Impossible' to completely force Russia out of Ukraine

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has admitted that it would be "impossible" to completely force Russia from his country's territory.

He said attempting to do so "would lead to a Third World War".

Mr Zelenskyy said he wanted a "compromise" with Moscow over the Donbas region, which has been partly controlled by Russian-backed separatist groups since 2014.

It's been suggested that the Kremlin wants to hold some form of "referendums" in such areas to determine whether the people living there want to be part of Russia.

But Mr Zelenskyy wants Russian troops out of parts of the country they've occupied since the full invasion began in February, saying a deal is "only possible" if they are withdrawn.

 

[JaDed]

So basically Russia will get to control the part they will almost already controlling but have displaced millions of Ukrainians and exposed their (Russian) ill equipped defense.

And India has been buying such crap from Russia forever , shakes my head!

 

[KingKhanWC]

Ukraine was never going to be in NATO. At no point was any offer made. Nor even any serious discussion.

Putin army has been humiliated and thousands of young Russians and Ukrainians have lost their lives for nothing.

Please do keep up.

For months there were talks with US/Nato, who were not willing to confirm Ukraine not being part of Nato.

Putin has won the war, its upto Urkaine know to wait for its masters Nato to decide how they will proceed.

 

[captain.hansolo]

So basically Russia will get to control the part they will almost already controlling but have displaced millions of Ukrainians and exposed their (Russian) ill equipped defense.

And India has been buying such crap from Russia forever , shakes my head!

India’s infatuation with getting a good deal above all else is so centric to our cultural identity, we pride ourselves in wasting time in haggling. Not waiting to recognize the opportunity cost of the endeavor. The time is still right, pivot hard towards a European Union + North American trade and defense relationship and it will prove to be significantly beneficial. Examine what led to the resurgence of Indian economy in the 2000s: a growing BPO and Services sector that catered to customers not in Russia or old Soviet bloc nations, but Western Europe and North America.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Please do keep up.

For months there were talks with US/Nato, who were not willing to confirm Ukraine not being part of Nato.

Putin has won the war, its upto Urkaine know to wait for its masters Nato to decide how they will proceed.

putins been humiliated

Now his coward army is running back like mouses to the eastern part

 

[Romali_rotti]

And India has been buying such crap from Russia forever , shakes my head!

Not all Russian defense equipment/tech are bad.

For the Indians the game changer has always been leasing the Nuclear Submarine's from Russia. India has also built their own indigenous nuclear submarine with Russian help, this is huge, as no country was willing to help India on the Nuclear reactor tech for the submarine.

India is now moving away from the Russian fighter jets like Sukhoi and MIG which imo are both junk. Home grown Tejas fighter jets are starting to gain steam and in the coming decade most of India's fighter jet squadrons will be home grown and will no longer need Russia for spares and maintenance.

 

[bones]

putins been humiliated

Now his coward army is running back like mouses to the eastern part

There are 60k Ukranian forces in the South East being encircled. The Russians are retreating from anywhere, if you believe that then go ahead. The truth is they are slowly encircling this huge Ukranian force and then it will either be a surrender from the Ukranians, perhaps even a capitulation or the Russians will obliterate those forces. Whilst armchair experts like you brag about Russian failures, actual military experts have said the Russian plan was always centred about this Ukranian army in the south east.

That army is running out of fuel and ammunition - much of their hardware has been annihalated. But none of this is shown on BBC, CNN or any other western news outlet. The Ukranians had two choices about 2 weeks ago.

1. Retreat those forces further north-west towards kyiv and give up Donbas without a fight. You therefore at least a chance to fight another day.
2. Ask them to fight and risk encirclement and obliteration. If you do this, you have a chance of keeping some of Donbas but it is a slim chance. But if you lose then Russia will take a lot more.

The Ukranian puppets decided to go with option 2. When this Ukranian force is obliterated, I wonder how the west will spin it.
2.

 

[bones]

To try and expand on my previous post I ask to refer to the map below:

https://twitter.com/Vick_top55/status/1508708028396228611/photo/1

The Russians are currently fighting and surrounding Izyum. The Russians have pretty much taken Balakliya further north and so they will now try and head south west to merge with the units from Donestk. When Mairupol falls it free a lot of units to help with the push north. You can see see the cauldron beginning to form and it's already too late for those Ukranian forces around the Kramatorsk, Gorlovka region to retreat. Any fast movements and they'll get spotted by the Russian surveillance.

I honestly have no idea why the west keep running with the story that the Ukranians are winning and the Russians are stalling. It's pretty clear that isn'tthe case.

 

[silentkiller187]

Russia-Ukraine war: Abramovich spotted in Istanbul peace talks

Russian billionaire Roman Abramovich has appeared at peace negotiations between Russia and Ukraine in Turkey.

He was seen talking to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who is mediating in the talks in Istanbul.

Reports surfaced hours earlier that Mr Abramovich and two Ukrainian negotiators had shown poisoning symptoms after talks in early March.

Mr Abramovich is known to have spent weeks in a mediation role, flying between Moscow and Kyiv.

The Chelsea football club owner was said to have suffered sore eyes and peeling skin, but had now recovered, reports say.

A Wall Street Journal report suggested he and the Ukrainian negotiators had been targeted by Russian hardliners in Kyiv on 3 March, but a Ukrainian presidential official later said the two Ukrainians were fine and one had said the story was false.

Russian presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov poured scorn on the report on Tuesday as untrue and part of an "information war".

Ukraine's Foreign Minister, Dmytro Kuleba, however, told national TV hours before the talks that he had advised his colleagues attending negotiations with Russia not to eat or drink anything.

The talks in Istanbul got under way early on Tuesday, with President Erdogan opening the session calling for a ceasefire and peace: "Prolonging the conflict is not in anyone's interest," he told the two delegations at Dolmabahce Palace, urging them to come up with concrete results.

Before the talks began, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said his country was prepared to declare neutrality, one of Russia's key demands. However, one of his main negotiators, Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba, made clear he had instructions that "we do not trade people, land or sovereignty".

Russian state news agency Ria Novosti released a picture showing Mr Abramovich talking to the Turkish president and Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu at the meeting.

He was also spotted in Turkish TV coverage listening to a translation wearing headphones, sitting alongside Mr Erdogan's spokesman Ibrahim Kalin. They were not at the main table of the Russian and Ukrainian delegations.

The exact nature of Mr Abramovich's role in the talks is unclear.

The Kremlin spokesman stressed he was not an official member of the Russian delegation in Istanbul but had been involved in ensuring contacts between the two delegations.

The businessman's yacht Eclipse has been seen moored at the Turkish port of Marmaris in recent days.

Mr Abramovich was pictured at Ben Gurion Airport near Tel Aviv before flying to Moscow
He put Chelsea up for sale earlier this month after the UK government sanctioned him and several other so-called oligarchs from Russia, who made their fortunes in the 1990s.

Mr Abramovich, who has Israeli citizenship, reportedly flew from Tel Aviv to Moscow by private jet on 14 March, 11 days after the alleged incident in Kyiv.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60912474

 

[captain.hansolo]

Not all Russian defense equipment/tech are bad.

For the Indians the game changer has always been leasing the Nuclear Submarine's from Russia. India has also built their own indigenous nuclear submarine with Russian help, this is huge, as no country was willing to help India on the Nuclear reactor tech for the submarine.

India is now moving away from the Russian fighter jets like Sukhoi and MIG which imo are both junk. Home grown Tejas fighter jets are starting to gain steam and in the coming decade most of India's fighter jet squadrons will be home grown and will no longer need Russia for spares and maintenance.

Yeah because we have long track record of delivering on defense projects, and have repeatedly demonstrated that we have the expertise to rub shoulders with the best… right?

I would not put any faith in our ability to indigenously develop any such advanced tech.

 

[90MPH]

To try and expand on my previous post I ask to refer to the map below:

https://twitter.com/Vick_top55/status/1508708028396228611/photo/1

The Russians are currently fighting and surrounding Izyum. The Russians have pretty much taken Balakliya further north and so they will now try and head south west to merge with the units from Donestk. When Mairupol falls it free a lot of units to help with the push north. You can see see the cauldron beginning to form and it's already too late for those Ukranian forces around the Kramatorsk, Gorlovka region to retreat. Any fast movements and they'll get spotted by the Russian surveillance.

I honestly have no idea why the west keep running with the story that the Ukranians are winning and the Russians are stalling. It's pretty clear that isn'tthe case.

Dude what are you smoking ?

The Russian deputy defence minister Alexander Fomin has just announced they are removing troops from around Kyiv because it’s obvious they have totally failed to encircle the city as they can’t even capture the towns around it.

In fact Ukrainians have actually pushed back the Russian forces and captured Irpin.

This insane millitary adventure is over for Russia. They will take at best Maripul, a totally destroyed city that been bombed to smithereens and killed thousands of civilians but they have failed in taking anything else.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Russia will drastically cut its military activity focused near Kyiv and also around Chernihiv, the Russian deputy defence minister said.

Alexander Fomin said the country has decided to "fundamentally cut back" operations to "increase mutual trust" at talks aimed at ending the fighting.



^^^
In other words this is russia admitting defeat and doing some face saving. But they will fool no one but their shills

 

[JaDed]

Russian apologists to call Russia pulling back as Russia winning.

Clear case how Russia underestimated everyone

 

[Technics 1210]

You know Russia is winning when Zelensky is prepared to accept Ukraine neutrality as part of the peace deal with guarantees.

Putin's goal achieved.

Move on.

 

[cpleigh]

You know Russia is winning when Zelensky is prepared to accept Ukraine neutrality as part of the peace deal with guarantees.

Putin's goal achieved.

Move on.

Neutrality that still consists of being able to join the EU and have legal security guarantees from UK, France, Turkey, china etc.

Has it all been worth it?!?

 

[JaDed]

Neutrality that still consists of being able to join the EU and have legal security guarantees from UK, France, Turkey, china etc.

Has it all been worth it?!?

Don’t bother, everyone knows how this played out, they can spin as they want , in the most stupidest, inhuman way Russia have united West like before Trump that even Japan, Germany are now thinking of arming themselves.

 

[KingKhanWC]

putins been humiliated

Now his coward army is running back like mouses to the eastern part

lol.

Humiliated by who? Angela Merkel?

Russia has achieved destroying almost all military sites. Now the 2nd phase is to secure the Eastern Regions.

Ukraine now want peace, offering most of what Russia wanted as its war objectives.

 

[JaDed]

Guess Zelensky is not Nazi enough anymore.

 

[Technics 1210]

Neutrality that still consists of being able to join the EU and have legal security guarantees from UK, France, Turkey, china etc.

Has it all been worth it?!?

Has it been worth it? Ask the Western/NATO apologists.

Lets not pretend this wasn't coming. 2 decades of the West goading Russia, then contributing to regime change in Ukraine (a Western past time favourite).

All hail the death of the USD!

 

[Technics 1210]

lol.

Humiliated by who? Angela Merkel?

Russia has achieved destroying almost all military sites. Now the 2nd phase is to secure the Eastern Regions.

Ukraine now want peace, offering most of what Russia wanted as its war objectives.

Zelensky crumbled like apple pie because the West/NATO bailed on him too.

The guy has no way to run other than to surrender to Russia's demands.

Poor MSM folk, believing a Russian retreat is a loss when it's actually a win, less collateral damage and demands met.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Don’t bother, everyone knows how this played out, they can spin as they want , in the most stupidest, inhuman way Russia have united West like before Trump that even Japan, Germany are now thinking of arming themselves.

Did it unite the East? Are you confident in India's future to play a leading role as a western satellite in a region where it used to be considered an ally of Russia, Iran, and is bordered by China, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Pakistan?

 

[JaDed]

Did it unite the East? Are you confident in India's future to play a leading role as a western satellite in a region where it used to be considered an ally of Russia, Iran, and is bordered by China, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Pakistan?

India would never completely ally with NATO not for next 50 years atleast, if India was going to play Wester proxy by now India would had not snubbed Nato n times against Russia.

These are only my thoughts not India’s which is pretty obvious considering how India’s establishment and media has covered it with pro Russia stance.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Russian apologists to call Russia pulling back as Russia winning.

Clear case how Russia underestimated everyone

This was you right?

 

[Gilly]

No one is winning this war, both countries are burying people.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Zelensky crumbled like apple pie because the West/NATO bailed on him too.

The guy has no way to run other than to surrender to Russia's demands.

Poor MSM folk, believing a Russian retreat is a loss when it's actually a win, less collateral damage and demands met.

MSM are also keeping hush about Hunter Biden financing Bio-Labs in Ukraine.

Its a very fair assumption the majority who are changing their social media flags to Ukraine have NO clue of this. lol. The BBC and most others are purposley hiding this.

 

[KingKhanWC]

No one is winning this war, both countries are burying people.

War is won on achieving war objectives. Russia has achieved almost all inc bombing a dam which was stopping running water to Crimea. One example of many objectives achieved.

 

[Gilly]

War is won on achieving war objectives. Russia has achieved almost all inc bombing a dam which was stopping running water to Crimea. One example of many objectives achieved.

I dont think that will to comforting to the people burying their sons in Russia.

 

[JaDed]

This was you right?

Yeah? I don’t have a pro Russia stance on this conflict as I have already said, India’s establishment does.

 

[captain.hansolo]

Did it unite the East? Are you confident in India's future to play a leading role as a western satellite in a region where it used to be considered an ally of Russia, Iran, and is bordered by China, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Pakistan?

Sri Lanka is or rather will have to shift their geopolitical center of gravity towards India and more democratic institutions after reeling with the disaster of Chinese hegemonic expansion by way of 'infrastructure investment' which now results in China being the second largest holder of Sri Lankan debt, at nearly 25%. Further assistance form China will come at a significant margin and given the downgraded rating, it wont be a pretty bargain. If the Sri Lankans were not so obstinate about not implementing the economic reforms that come as a requirement with assistance from IMF, their best hope is India. India is unlikely to make it easy for Sri Lanka either. For the foreseeable future the BOP crisis is likely to render Sri Lanka limp and listless.

Bangladesh is fast emerging as the next asian economic powerful, with strong democratic institutions, a young workforce, and liberal economic atmosphere. Nevertheless, they find themselves competing with China, and while China and India are their largest import partners, more than 60% of all their exports go to United States and EU. They are absolutely not going to align themselves with Russia or China or any other hegemonic regional power.

Pakistan is unlikely to present a challenge to India as it has found its fortunes almost inseparably tied with those of United States. Whether it is a dependance for military aide, or developmental aide. China has been the boogeyman who has dangled the low hanging fruit of loans masked as CPEC and now when those payments are overdue, the faucet is being shut. If Pakistan can recover from their own BOP crisis, they are likely to turn to other sources for future development, if their leadership is not completely stupid that is...

That leaves Iran. A thorn in the side for europe and united states, but with the possibility of a revived nuclear non proliferation deal, things may normalize some. But no matter, India has done a good job, their one diplomatic win if any, of threading a thin balance where they dont upset their trade partners in europe and united states, and still manage to get their hands on cheap Iranian fossil fuels.

So there you ahve it. its not so much about being able to play a leading role in the region. one would argue, it already does, and has for well over 20 years. There is China, Japan and then India... the three largest economies in asia for the better part of two decades now. And as for the hostile neighbors, there is unlikely to be any such aggression.

 

[captain.hansolo]

Dude what are you smoking ?

The Russian deputy defence minister Alexander Fomin has just announced they are removing troops from around Kyiv because it’s obvious they have totally failed to encircle the city as they can’t even capture the towns around it.

In fact Ukrainians have actually pushed back the Russian forces and captured Irpin.

This insane millitary adventure is over for Russia. They will take at best Maripul, a totally destroyed city that been bombed to smithereens and killed thousands of civilians but they have failed in taking anything else.

you are barking up the wrong tree. some kids here are beyond reason.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Yeah because we have long track record of delivering on defense projects, and have repeatedly demonstrated that we have the expertise to rub shoulders with the best… right?

I would not put any faith in our ability to indigenously develop any such advanced tech.

what the heck are you talking about ?

Tejas is ready,

Indigenous Nuclear Submarine is ready and launched,

INS Vikrant indigenous air craft carrier recently finished the 3rd sea trial.

Under the current government the make in India push has been going at a good pace. Are there problems ? of course, India is a third world country, however they are well on their way.


P.S> And lastly India is not competing with the West LOL

 

[bones]

Dude what are you smoking ?

The Russian deputy defence minister Alexander Fomin has just announced they are removing troops from around Kyiv because it’s obvious they have totally failed to encircle the city as they can’t even capture the towns around it.

In fact Ukrainians have actually pushed back the Russian forces and captured Irpin.

This insane millitary adventure is over for Russia. They will take at best Maripul, a totally destroyed city that been bombed to smithereens and killed thousands of civilians but they have failed in taking anything else.

You only watch western MSM and seem to take their views as gospel.You haven't got a clue about warfare and this has been exposed several times already. You still seem to think Ukraine are winning the war and that the Russians are floundering.

The Russians set out from the start with a few objectives, not one of them was to take Kyiv. Crimea and Donbas were the objectives alongside with demiliterization and denazification. Ukraine have agreed to neutrality but how the Russians ensure that is adhered is going to be tricky. They already had Crimea and they have Donbas and have created a land corridor from Crimea to Russia. So the only goal left is to demilitarize the Ukranians. There are in the process of doing that and the Ukranian's best forces in the South East are about to be obliterated.

The Russians fooled the west and people like you. They feigned an attack on Kyiv, made all the moves to take the capital. Everyone's attention was towards the capital whilst the real work was happening in the South East.

Do you know how many German soldiers were required to take Kyiv in 1941? 450k soldiers were used to encircle Kyiv. That is 10 times more troops than the Russians had deployed here.

But please do carry on watch BBC and Sky, I'm sure they'll give you more of the truth you seek.

 

[bones]

War is won on achieving war objectives. Russia has achieved almost all inc bombing a dam which was stopping running water to Crimea. One example of many objectives achieved.

Precisely. You have so many people who seem to think that the Russians set out to occupy the country and even take the capital. In 1941 it took a German army of 450k to take the city. Russia had deployed less than 200k for this entire operation today so only armchair experts like [MENTION=23613]90MPH[/MENTION] would think that the Russians set out for Kyiv.

Kyiv and the west of Ukraine were never in the plans - no modern army would be capable of such a vast objective not even NATO with all of their forces could do that.

 

[mazkhan]

Precisely. You have so many people who seem to think that the Russians set out to occupy the country and even take the capital. In 1941 it took a German army of 450k to take the city. Russia had deployed less than 200k for this entire operation today so only armchair experts like [MENTION=23613]90MPH[/MENTION] would think that the Russians set out for Kyiv.

Kyiv and the west of Ukraine were never in the plans - no modern army would be capable of such a vast objective not even NATO with all of their forces could do that.

Those were days of ww2 soldiers with tin hats running out of a trench to their deaths

Modern warfare doesn't need such large numbers due to elite troops modern vehicles , helicopters , drones , aircraft and precision munitions, and satellites aircraft giving images , electronic warfare

On all points russia has lost and their armed forces conventionally are no match for the west .

 

[90MPH]

Those were days of ww2 soldiers with tin hats running out of a trench to their deaths

Modern warfare doesn't need such large numbers due to elite troops modern vehicles , helicopters , drones , aircraft and precision munitions, and satellites aircraft giving images , electronic warfare

On all points russia has lost and their armed forces conventionally are no match for the west .

[MENTION=135003]bones[/MENTION] is following nothing but bogus Russian propaganda as that is the link he himself provided

They are now changing their goalposts to say Kyiv was never in their plans. Who is he trying to fool ? Not even Russia themsleves are denying this as they were literally outside Kyiv trying to encircle with a 40 mile convoy just weeks ago due to unsustainable heavy losses, poor morale and planning they abandoned those plans because they know it’s impossible to achieve at this point.

The whole point of this war was to get rid of the Zelensky government and install one of his puppet authoritarians like in Belarus. Anyone thinking otherwise is either deliberately lying or is seriously deluded.

 

[bones]

Those were days of ww2 soldiers with tin hats running out of a trench to their deaths

Modern warfare doesn't need such large numbers due to elite troops modern vehicles , helicopters , drones , aircraft and precision munitions, and satellites aircraft giving images , electronic warfare

On all points russia has lost and their armed forces conventionally are no match for the west .

Which points did they lose on? Please give official sources and not your interpretation. What are these points that they lost on?

 

[bones]

[MENTION=135003]bones[/MENTION] is following nothing but bogus Russian propaganda as that is the link he himself provided

They are now changing their goalposts to say Kyiv was never in their plans. Who is he trying to fool ? Not even Russia themsleves are denying this as they were literally outside Kyiv trying to encircle with a 40 mile convoy just weeks ago due to unsustainable heavy losses, poor morale and planning they abandoned those plans because they know it’s impossible to achieve at this point.

The whole point of this war was to get rid of the Zelensky government and install one of his puppet authoritarians like in Belarus. Anyone thinking otherwise is either deliberately lying or is seriously deluded.

There was never any intention for Kyiv otherwise Kyiv would look something like Mariupol.please provide an official source which states the Russians planned to siege Kyiv. An official source is one from the Russians that clearly mentions Kyiv as a military goal.

 

[bones]

For those interested here is a great - impartial channel and covers this and other politics at a high level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eiWyqaua7Y

 

[bones]

Scott Ritter in a podcast I'm listening to:

"In the future books will be written about "The Great Deception of Kyiv" and it will be studied in military schools. The Russians had no intention of capturing Kyiv but the Ukranians and most of the west didn't know this until it was too late. The entire war, all of the pieces on the chess board are moving exactly how the Russians want them to move. The Ukranians are doing an amazing job with the situation they find themselves in but the Russians are fighting with 1 hand tied behind their backs. They are avoiding civilian casualties and if they took the gloves off from the outset like we did in Iraq then the Ukranians wouldnt have had the opportunity to mount any counter offensives. I can't predict what happens next but logic dictates that the forces in Mariupol will clean up and then join up in Donbas. Russians forces will encircle the UA in the South-East who will either be destroyed or surrender. Russian forces will then push up towards Kharkiv and probably force a surrender there too.

The Ukranians have no fuel reserves and supply lines are almost non-existent to the South Eastern forces, they really are at the mercy of the Russians because they cannot manuevre. The Western MSM is painting a completely different picture to the reality on the ground."

 

[MenInG]

Russia's defence ministry says troops are regrouping around Kyiv and Chernihiv

Russia's defence ministry has said its forces are now regrouping in Kyiv and Chernihiv, adding that it has completed phase one of its invasion in Ukraine, which it says was to force Volodymyr Zelenskyy's troops to defend major cities.

There had been reports of troops retreating from the area over the last 24 hours or so, but western nations were worried this was so they could make a fresh assault on the capital.

However, some analysts have suggested the move was the result Ukraine's success in pushing Russian forces back.

Russia says it is so it can now focus on what it calls the liberation of Donbas - an area Vladimir Putin declared as independent before the invasion.

 

[Technics 1210]

There was never any intention for Kyiv otherwise Kyiv would look something like Mariupol.please provide an official source which states the Russians planned to siege Kyiv. An official source is one from the Russians that clearly mentions Kyiv as a military goal.

You are wasting your time. These MSM slaves have no idea of the facts let alone the ability to think for themselves.

Russia pulled the classic bait and switch move. Russia got the world focusing on Kiev with those 40 miles convoys, when all the while the real action has been happening elsewhere.

Chess Grandmaster move.

Meanwhile you got plebs singing the ‘innocent lives lost’, when they don’t mention situations in Yemen - classic MSM in action - propaganda.

 

[Technics 1210]

Germany and Austria take step towards gas rationing

Germany and Austria have triggered emergency plans over possible gas supply disruption amid a payments stand-off with Russia.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60925016

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Yes folks, Russia is retreating, and as a result, Germany has issued a warning on Gas supplies.

Russia losing? They have achieved what they wanted to by pulling wool over the Western eyes.

Wake up people.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Germany says Putin agreed to keep payments for gas in euros


Russian President Vladimir Putin told German Chancellor Olaf Scholz that European companies could continue paying for gas in euros, a German readout of a call between the two leaders stated.

Putin said the money would be paid into Gazprom Bank, which is not a subject of sanctions, and then transferred in rubles to Russia.

The German readout says Scholz did not agree to the procedure, and instead asked the Russian leader to send him written information for clarity.

Putin had said last week "unfriendly" countries would have to pay for Russian gas in Russian rubles.

G7 countries have said payment in rubles would breach existing contracts.

Germany triggered an emergency plan on Wednesday to manage gas supplies that could see Europe's largest economy ration power if a standoff over a Russian demand to pay for fuel with rubles disrupts or halts supplies.

Source: https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-chern...sian-pullback-promise-live-updates/a-61298666

 

[Technics 1210]

Come on Putin, turn the gas taps off in the same way West turn the SWIFT taps off!

Plunge Europe into darkness and inflation, and with it, the EU!

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Scott Ritter in a podcast I'm listening to:

"In the future books will be written about "The Great Deception of Kyiv" and it will be studied in military schools. The Russians had no intention of capturing Kyiv but the Ukranians and most of the west didn't know this until it was too late. The entire war, all of the pieces on the chess board are moving exactly how the Russians want them to move. The Ukranians are doing an amazing job with the situation they find themselves in but the Russians are fighting with 1 hand tied behind their backs. They are avoiding civilian casualties and if they took the gloves off from the outset like we did in Iraq then the Ukranians wouldnt have had the opportunity to mount any counter offensives. I can't predict what happens next but logic dictates that the forces in Mariupol will clean up and then join up in Donbas. Russians forces will encircle the UA in the South-East who will either be destroyed or surrender. Russian forces will then push up towards Kharkiv and probably force a surrender there too.

The Ukranians have no fuel reserves and supply lines are almost non-existent to the South Eastern forces, they really are at the mercy of the Russians because they cannot manuevre. The Western MSM is painting a completely different picture to the reality on the ground."

It’s hilarious to see the cast of your ‘sources’. It’s a litany of discredited shills.. and in this particular case of Scott Ritter a child sex offender and Russian state media shill to boot.