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But you haven't bothered to answer these basic points that I have raised. You're listening to a defence analyst who's made a sweeping statement. There are many others who make sweeping statements, doesn't mean it's worth any value.
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Dozens of badly wounded Ukrainian soldiers have arrived in Novoazovsk after being evacuated from Azovstal steel plant in the city of Mariupol.
Some 53 troops were taken to hospital in the Russian-controlled town, about 30 miles to the east of Mariupol, according to Ukraine's deputy defence minister Hanna Malyar.
Another 211 people are being taken to Olenivka, about 55 miles north, through humanitarian corridors, she said, adding that they would be exchanged with Russian military prisoners before returning home.
For weeks, the soldiers were the last remaining pocket of resistance against the Russian advance in Mariupol, a strategically-important city on the north coast of the Sea of Azov.
Ms Malyar said: "Thanks to the defenders of Mariupol, Ukraine gained critically important time, and they fulfilled all their tasks. But it is impossible to unblock Azovstal by military means.
"We are working to save people who are still in Azovstal," she added, without saying how many people remained.
Ukraine's president Volodymyr Zelenskyy said on Monday night: "Thanks to the actions of the Ukrainian military, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, intelligence, as well as the negotiating team, the International Committee of the Red Cross and the UN, we hope that we will be able to save the lives of our guys.
"There are severely wounded ones among them - they're receiving care.
"I want to emphasise that Ukraine needs Ukrainian heroes alive. This is our principle. I think that every adequate person will understand these words."
Earlier on Monday, Russia announced an agreement for the injured Ukrainian soldiers to leave the steel plant for treatment in a town held by pro-Moscow separatists.
On Monday night, five buses were seen leaving the steel plant with soldiers inside.
The General Staff of Ukraine's Armed Forces said on Facebook: "The supreme military command ordered the commanders of the units stationed at Azovstal to save the lives of the personnel.
"Efforts to rescue defenders who remain on the territory of Azovstal continue."
https://news.sky.com/story/dozens-o...teel-plant-after-weeks-of-resistance-12614910
Some 53 troops were taken to hospital in the Russian-controlled town, about 30 miles to the east of Mariupol, according to Ukraine's deputy defence minister Hanna Malyar.
Another 211 people are being taken to Olenivka, about 55 miles north, through humanitarian corridors, she said, adding that they would be exchanged with Russian military prisoners before returning home.
For weeks, the soldiers were the last remaining pocket of resistance against the Russian advance in Mariupol, a strategically-important city on the north coast of the Sea of Azov.
Ms Malyar said: "Thanks to the defenders of Mariupol, Ukraine gained critically important time, and they fulfilled all their tasks. But it is impossible to unblock Azovstal by military means.
"We are working to save people who are still in Azovstal," she added, without saying how many people remained.
Ukraine's president Volodymyr Zelenskyy said on Monday night: "Thanks to the actions of the Ukrainian military, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, intelligence, as well as the negotiating team, the International Committee of the Red Cross and the UN, we hope that we will be able to save the lives of our guys.
"There are severely wounded ones among them - they're receiving care.
"I want to emphasise that Ukraine needs Ukrainian heroes alive. This is our principle. I think that every adequate person will understand these words."
Earlier on Monday, Russia announced an agreement for the injured Ukrainian soldiers to leave the steel plant for treatment in a town held by pro-Moscow separatists.
On Monday night, five buses were seen leaving the steel plant with soldiers inside.
The General Staff of Ukraine's Armed Forces said on Facebook: "The supreme military command ordered the commanders of the units stationed at Azovstal to save the lives of the personnel.
"Efforts to rescue defenders who remain on the territory of Azovstal continue."
https://news.sky.com/story/dozens-o...teel-plant-after-weeks-of-resistance-12614910
Land corridor Crimea to Russia - Check
Donbas liberation - in progress
Defeat of AFU forces in Donbas - in progress
The two items in progress will almost certainly happen in the coming weeks. So it'll be check, check and check so as far as I'm concerned that will be military objectives achieved.
Trawling through this thread I have picked up a couple of major legal errors by the Russia-apologists.
Error 1: the Ukrainian forces in the Mariupol steelworks cannot be accused of unlawfully being in a civilian area, or of taking human shields or any other war crimes.
International law permits legally deputed armed forces which are defending an attack by another nation on their sovereign territory to be in any part of their nation’s sovereign territory.
Error 2: any Russian forces which enter the sovereign territory of Ukraine, including Crimea and Donbas, are legally aggressors and belligerents.
No nation can unilaterally annex another nation’s land, and Crimea no more belongs to Russia than the West Bank settlements belong to Israel.
Error 3: Russian armed forces cannot enter the territory of Ukraine - even for purposes or deNazification - without either a formal invitation from the government of Ukraine or a resolution from the United Nations Security Council. By definition, any Russian who enter Ukraine including Crimea and Donbas without such authorisation is a criminal under international law.
Error 4: the government of Ukraine is actually entitled to invite any foreign armed forces to enter any part of Ukrainian sovereign territory - which includes both Crimea and Donbas. Not only is a No Fly Zone legal, but Ukraine would be within its legal rights to invite the US Navy to remove the Russians from Crimea.
Lastly, Ukraine can legally demolish the bridge from Russia to Crimea at any time of its choosing.
Error 1: the Ukrainian forces in the Mariupol steelworks cannot be accused of unlawfully being in a civilian area, or of taking human shields or any other war crimes.
International law permits legally deputed armed forces which are defending an attack by another nation on their sovereign territory to be in any part of their nation’s sovereign territory.
Error 2: any Russian forces which enter the sovereign territory of Ukraine, including Crimea and Donbas, are legally aggressors and belligerents.
No nation can unilaterally annex another nation’s land, and Crimea no more belongs to Russia than the West Bank settlements belong to Israel.
Error 3: Russian armed forces cannot enter the territory of Ukraine - even for purposes or deNazification - without either a formal invitation from the government of Ukraine or a resolution from the United Nations Security Council. By definition, any Russian who enter Ukraine including Crimea and Donbas without such authorisation is a criminal under international law.
Error 4: the government of Ukraine is actually entitled to invite any foreign armed forces to enter any part of Ukrainian sovereign territory - which includes both Crimea and Donbas. Not only is a No Fly Zone legal, but Ukraine would be within its legal rights to invite the US Navy to remove the Russians from Crimea.
Lastly, Ukraine can legally demolish the bridge from Russia to Crimea at any time of its choosing.
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Germany’s RWE To Follow Kremlin’s Rubles-for-Gas Scheme.
"Germany’s largest producer of power, the giant RWE utility, has opened an account to pay for Russian gas in euros, Reuters reports, which will then be converted to rubles, following European Union clarifications that essentially allow companies to follow the Kremlin’s gas-for-rubles scheme without violating sanctions.
RWE joins a growing list of an estimated 20 European buyers of Russian natural gas that have so far opened accounts to enable the Kremlin’s conversion-to-rubles scheme. "
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-...To-Follow-Kremlins-Rubles-for-Gas-Scheme.html
"Germany’s largest producer of power, the giant RWE utility, has opened an account to pay for Russian gas in euros, Reuters reports, which will then be converted to rubles, following European Union clarifications that essentially allow companies to follow the Kremlin’s gas-for-rubles scheme without violating sanctions.
RWE joins a growing list of an estimated 20 European buyers of Russian natural gas that have so far opened accounts to enable the Kremlin’s conversion-to-rubles scheme. "
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-...To-Follow-Kremlins-Rubles-for-Gas-Scheme.html
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Europe’s Economic Outlook Is Looking Bleaker By The Day
"Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is generating fresh headwinds that will choke the European economy, reveal official forecasts published today. Surging energy prices caused by concerns over supply security following Moscow sending troops into Ukraine are set to strain households and businesses on the Continent.
High input prices are likely to weigh on production, while elevated living costs will push spending lower than first expected.
Inflation is running at seven percent in the UK, a 30-year high, while it is at a 40-year high across the pond at 8.3 percent.
Europe is heavily reliant on Russia for gas, meaning higher prices and supply disruption caused by the war will make it challenging for businesses to maintain normal production levels.
Germany’s – the Continent’s economic power house – industrial sector generates a large proportion of its national output. Energy shortages and higher gas prices will likely choke the country’s economy.
The IMK Institute estimates a sudden embargo on Russian energy in an attempt to ratchet up sanctions could deal between €114bn and €286bn blow to the European economy, representing around three percent to eight percent of GDP."
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-...ic-Outlook-Is-Looking-Bleaker-By-The-Day.html
"Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is generating fresh headwinds that will choke the European economy, reveal official forecasts published today. Surging energy prices caused by concerns over supply security following Moscow sending troops into Ukraine are set to strain households and businesses on the Continent.
High input prices are likely to weigh on production, while elevated living costs will push spending lower than first expected.
Inflation is running at seven percent in the UK, a 30-year high, while it is at a 40-year high across the pond at 8.3 percent.
Europe is heavily reliant on Russia for gas, meaning higher prices and supply disruption caused by the war will make it challenging for businesses to maintain normal production levels.
Germany’s – the Continent’s economic power house – industrial sector generates a large proportion of its national output. Energy shortages and higher gas prices will likely choke the country’s economy.
The IMK Institute estimates a sudden embargo on Russian energy in an attempt to ratchet up sanctions could deal between €114bn and €286bn blow to the European economy, representing around three percent to eight percent of GDP."
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-...ic-Outlook-Is-Looking-Bleaker-By-The-Day.html
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They have no air support. Logistics will be hampered. Training centres will be targeted. The troops will be inexperienced and will be walking into a meat grinder. Its not worth it. The Ukrainians should retreat back across the river and fortify the West or attempt to do so. They should initiate talks to get their men out of the donbass while they still can. That's alot of experience to lose ..
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erm I think I know a little bit more than the average joe with regards to the BBC..one of its stated aims was to spread democracy to the rest of the world or to be exact british democratic values.
the veneer they give is quite good. Inclusive, impartial , honest etc etc..then you venture forth and realise that many of the staff are psychopaths..
The whole of luhanks oblast is nearly liberated
The russians still need the rest of donetsk oblast and then whole of donbas will be liberated maybe the nazis at azov steel works can be used as a bargaining chip , the ukranianian move out of donbas in exchange for the steelwork racist subhumans .
The only thing then for russia will be the south the rest of kherson oblast and parts of mykolaiv oblast and odessa that will essentially landlock ukraine and Russia will have a direct corridor to russian areas in Moldova transnistria .
Although the war has come a high cost if russia can achieve the above it will come out the winner yes economically they have been hit hard and relegated to pariah status but due to their strong position of natural resources and food production.
The blackmail of energy and rising prices it will hit the rest of Europe in a horrible situation. especially the winter that is coming the European will need to start being honest with their populace on food energy crisis and rising inflation , the bank of England is already ringing the alarm bells , so chaos and riots in Europe a possible winter of discontent could make russia come out the final winner although badly mauled that's if by winter they can achieve all those military aims although badly mauled.
And if ukraine loses all that territory and loses the black sea access it will essentially be a state begging for Western aid for years alongwith a refugee problem that will sink rest of Europe further. That's millions of ukranians that will need spoon feeding by the west .
The russians still need the rest of donetsk oblast and then whole of donbas will be liberated maybe the nazis at azov steel works can be used as a bargaining chip , the ukranianian move out of donbas in exchange for the steelwork racist subhumans .
The only thing then for russia will be the south the rest of kherson oblast and parts of mykolaiv oblast and odessa that will essentially landlock ukraine and Russia will have a direct corridor to russian areas in Moldova transnistria .
Although the war has come a high cost if russia can achieve the above it will come out the winner yes economically they have been hit hard and relegated to pariah status but due to their strong position of natural resources and food production.
The blackmail of energy and rising prices it will hit the rest of Europe in a horrible situation. especially the winter that is coming the European will need to start being honest with their populace on food energy crisis and rising inflation , the bank of England is already ringing the alarm bells , so chaos and riots in Europe a possible winter of discontent could make russia come out the final winner although badly mauled that's if by winter they can achieve all those military aims although badly mauled.
And if ukraine loses all that territory and loses the black sea access it will essentially be a state begging for Western aid for years alongwith a refugee problem that will sink rest of Europe further. That's millions of ukranians that will need spoon feeding by the west .
News of the Azovstal surrender will try to be contained with the AFU ranks. But in the age of social media and in the time of mobile phones it'll be almost impossible to hold this information from the soldiers. This will strike a blow to the morale.
In a recent post I wrote that based on my research that around 8k Ukranian forces were in the Lisichansk/Severodonestk cauldron. It seems as if I was wrong and the figure is double that. The outlook for these forces and Ukraine is bad whether they stand and fight or if they can retreat somehow. Therefore it just makes sense to surrender and start negotiating. Why sacrifice thousands of lives for a lost cause?
In a recent post I wrote that based on my research that around 8k Ukranian forces were in the Lisichansk/Severodonestk cauldron. It seems as if I was wrong and the figure is double that. The outlook for these forces and Ukraine is bad whether they stand and fight or if they can retreat somehow. Therefore it just makes sense to surrender and start negotiating. Why sacrifice thousands of lives for a lost cause?
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Ukraine has been abandoned by their NATO allies. Its better for them and Russia that both come to the negotiation table and work their way out of this mess.
I suspect something big is about to happen because there's no way the senior army commanders on the Ukranian side will allow what's about to happen in this area. They're not just going to stand by and let so many units get destroyed. With the Azovstal surrender ongoing, more and more Russian units will be allowed to be re-deployed and futher strengthening the army in the areas around Lisichansk.
It's only fair gilly you show the ukranian war crimes of Russian soldiers executed mutilated , arranged in z shapes and the nazi militias who were killing people in the donbas region they even killed a ukranian mma fighter because he trained with the kadyrov mma gym.
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Ukraine has been used as a sacrifical lamb and must be scratching their heads as to why they are in this mess with no support while NATO is entering Finland.
I am measuring this war as Russia v NATO and not Russia v Ukraine.
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Anyone who tried to negotiate in good faith on the Ukrainian team were labelled as a traitor and killed, nobody on the negotiation team will risk getting getting shot and killed by moving away from the NATO agenda.
Ukraine is an American puppet state, so they will let thousands of soldiers die rather than negotiate and the western media will continue with its propaganda that Ukraine is winning.
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Nice to see pro NATO/MSM puppets concede Ukraine is a smokescreen.
Better late than never.
Better late than never.
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Surely you're just trolling now and cannot possibly believe this?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...tank-to-bombard-azovstal-steelworks-btdc6rckv
The Neo Nazis surrender due to lack of food, arms and also because they know their war is lost.
A huge symbolic victory for Russia. IT was these neo-nazis who have been killing innocent civilians in teh east since 2014. IT was these Nazis who were dipping their guns in pigs blood believing they are too powerful to be beaten.
Russians are now moving in their elite tanks inc BMPT Terminators.
The Donbass region will be soon liberated by Russia. Ukraine will not be regaining this territory, great victory for Putin.
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Because your heros were getting a real hiding. Nato wanted them to rest and regroup.
Negotiations should be have been done years ago, assuring Russia of no security threat and not giving birth to the Neo Nazis , supporting them to kill innocents.
Now Russia has a far strong hand, Ukraine and NAto will lose much more now when they eventually see straight realising they have lost in every way possible.
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Its become a norm by Westerners to chearlead Ukranians to fight for Nato. Its not funny to see a nation being used and abused others.
Do you understand the difference between ceasefire and negotiations? Ukrainians want an end to this war, as do Russians but Nato esp Biden and Boris want this to continue. The Zionist puppet who is the PM has been paid well to not stop the conflict.
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This is not the movie Indpedence day, its real life.
Stop cheerleading other people to kill or to be killed.
Ukraine is ONLY in this position because Nato used the country for its own imperial purposes. Even Yanks are admitting this now but good old Mr Leigh thinks Winston Churchill will rise from the dead with his cigar in his pocket to save the world from Alien Russians, thanking Will Smith for his help on the way.
Again, you believe that Russia is entitled to dictate to Ukraine what it’s alliances snd defences can be, but that Ukraine is entitled to no such guarantees against Russia.
Which is like saying that India is entitled to dictate that:
1. Pakistan not be an Islamic Republic.
2. Pakistan forfeit its Air Force and Army and only be permitted a Police Force.
3. India be entitled to invade Pakistan and destroy towns and cities, steal property and rape females whenever they feel like it.
4. Lahore, Karachi, Gujranwala and Sialkot to return to Indian sovereignty with immediate effect.
But Pakistan has no such rights against India.
No offence, but I think you are still fighting anti-Colonial wars against the British Empire in your head, and have twisted the Russia/Ukraine conflict to somehow be an extension of it. But it isn’t - it’s a pointless war caused by the ignorance and vanity of an ageing dictator.
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No, Ukraine are in this position because Russia decided to invade them twice in less than 10 years.
Ukraine is a sovereign country with internationally recognized borders. Russia has ripped that up in the name of empire building
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what secruity threats to Russia?? Didnt putin say yesterday he has no issue with Finland and Sweden joining NATO? so why is Ukraine any different?
He's openly admitted there that NATO isn't a threat to Russia.
This is all. about empire building, and stealing Sevastapol and the Donbas area where all Russias military microchips are made.
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This is as foolish as you suggesting the Crimeans would have voted to remain with Ukraine.
No offence but you have Pakistani heritige but you claim no you are English only , living in Aus.
I have explained in terms a 5 year old would understand.
IF Russia and China were to stage a coup in Mexico install their puppet leader, bring to life Nazis or ISIS and were training them to eventually fight the Yanks, you'd be up in arms with Biden not remembering your views on Russia.
Please remember you are not Churchills relative so stop acting like you are .
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Mr Leigh your heros Nato have invaded numerous nations , destoyed them, killed the leaders in order to save lives, when those nations are not even on their borders such as Libya.
Now you cant cry Mr Leigh because Russia wants to send your Nazi heros to hell, which they have done very well.
Russia has a right to its security in a world where Nato has claimed this right many times and almost all times based on lies.
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The buffalo shooter who murdered people in cold blood was inspired by a Nazi manifesto, which had the same Sonnenrad the Azov have tattooed on their body.
I hope the security services are keeping an good eye on white males who support Azov in Ukraine. As the Nazis and Ukraine lose more and more such people with sadly become more prevalent in some sort of revenge against people of colour.
I hope the security services are keeping an good eye on white males who support Azov in Ukraine. As the Nazis and Ukraine lose more and more such people with sadly become more prevalent in some sort of revenge against people of colour.
I’m still waiting for you to explain the claims about Ukraine mobilising 1 million soldiers. How will they assemble these forces at the frontline? Where will they get heavy weapons from? You said this yesterday so please elaborate.
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You were asked earlier to post some reports on Ukranian Nazi war crimes, having trouble finding those?
Russian soldiers went to family farm and took the two sons of the farmer into the woods blindfolded and beat them up and shot them in the head before burying them. Fortunately one survived.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TzCz5Zdgy4&t=211s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TzCz5Zdgy4&t=211s
I can’t believe that I have to tell you this, but here goes.
The Ukrainian war crimes are all perpetrated against enemy combatants who have no lawful right to enter Ukrainian territory (including Crimea and Donbas which have been unlawfully stolen by Russia).
The majority of Russian war crimes are against civilians. Stealing property. Shelling civilian targets. Raping females. Murdering civilians.
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Ukrainian woman kidnapped and raped by Russian soldiers. This is the fall out from Russia forcing untrained soldiers into war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGeGJF0e1gs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGeGJF0e1gs
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Well, you can say that about the senior staff of any major business.
I’d say that the BBC funding model puts their editorial staff are under pressure from the government of the day, to report stories in a given way or not report them at all like some of the massive Remain marches in London, but they are hardly outright government propaganda mouthpieces like RT or screaming hard-right Fox News.
In the UK I would posit C4 News as the fairest. Its funding model means it is largely immune to government pressure. That’s why Dorries is selling it off, doubtless to Tory donors.
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I don’t think the level of training is an issue.
During and after the Battle of Berlin, mass rape of a million German females by Red Army soldiers took place. Including kids of eight to elders of 80. An egregious war crime.
https://amp.theguardian.com/books/2002/may/01/news.features11
You know full well where the weapons are coming from. The lease to lend will be signed off today. Ukraine will be swamped with weapons very soon.
And again I've already said how they will get to the front line. Russia don't control any roads or rail lines coming from the west
You keep claiming NATO have invaded many countries. Its simply NOT true and you've been told that over and over.
Do u want to list how many countries Russia has invaded in the last 20 years? Either bu force or stealth. ..
I'll give u a clue.... more than NATO
Rape and looting is strongly encouraged within the Russian armed forces, especially the army.
Salaries are poor, training is inadequate and little care and protection is shown to the ordinary soldiers.
But they all know that if you sign up you will be able to steal people’s jewellery and electrical goods and you will get to have sex with a new woman every night. It’s actually part of the reason for the whole Nazi fraud - the senior echelons of the Russian army want to dehumanise the Ukrainians so that the Russian soldiers feel no remorse in raping and stealing.
Without Russian government-approved Rape and theft there would only be conscripts in the Russian Army.
But lots of soldiers have already gone home with a new iPhone, AirPods and in some cases even TVs and washing machines, as well as being able to boast about having had sex with 30 Ukrainian women in the last two months.
It’s how Russia incentivises people to join the army.
Ukranians are an artificial race and country they are the same as the russians , kieven rus people.
Many ukranianians are off significant russian origins.
The country came into being by the collapse of the soviet Union engineered by the west .
It's nato who has been goading russia and encircling them imagine if russia built missile sites in Mexico or Cuba would usa just sit there or take them out.
Many ukranianians are off significant russian origins.
The country came into being by the collapse of the soviet Union engineered by the west .
It's nato who has been goading russia and encircling them imagine if russia built missile sites in Mexico or Cuba would usa just sit there or take them out.
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Yours is a Russian imperialist view.
Kyiv was a thriving city back when Moscow was a forest. Kievan Rus’ was an early medieval state running from the Black Sea to the White Sea.
Kievan Rus’ began to disintegrate into fiefdoms in the eleventh century. These were conquered in turn by emergent powers such as Poland-Lithuania, the Ottoman Empire, and latterly the new Tsardom of Russia led by Ivan the Terrible.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Former President George W. Bush: “The decision of one man to launch a wholly unjustified and brutal invasion of Iraq. I mean of Ukraine.” <a href="https://t.co/UMwNMwMnmX">pic.twitter.com/UMwNMwMnmX</a></p>— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) <a href="https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1527092111195226114?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 19, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Kyiv was the capital of Russia long before Moscow was.
If anything, Russia has a long history of being the Sick Man of Europe, and would be better off as a colony of Ukraine and Georgia.
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The laughter by the crowd is chilling....
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This is a gold medal in Freudian slips.
do you accept Pakistan and pakistani's are artificial too? I mean by your logic... you're all Indian
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I wasn't just talking about senior staff. And in most major institutions you expect organisations to not be staffed by racists and psychos. You expect a level of care and well being.
With regards to the beeb. They are actively involved with the gov. And provide services to certain institutions within govt that I can't openly say on here.
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One of the most ridiculous comparisons I have ever read in my life.
The reason is a foreign power is not parking weapons in Pakistan, pointing at India.
Next.
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Well, that's depressing.
Watching Question Time, I can see obvious Tory plants in the audience, with Fiona Bruce returning to them for extra comments.
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I filled out a form once and ended up getting invited into the QT audience at the University of Leeds, but then got stuck in a meeting at my office around the corner and couldn’t make it. Would have been interesting to see the off-air parts and the true workings.
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Im not going to waste my time so will just post a wiki link which you will accept.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NATO_operations
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Latest you wont find on BBC.
Ukrainian troops in Donbass region are now refusing to fight for Ukraine.
Platoon of the 3rd battalion of the 115th brigade Refused to fight against Russia.
Ukrainian troops in Donbass region are now refusing to fight for Ukraine.
Platoon of the 3rd battalion of the 115th brigade Refused to fight against Russia.
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Here is the video of Platoon of the 3rd battalion of the 115th brigade Refusing to fight against Russia:
https://t.me/intelslava/29226
https://t.me/intelslava/29226
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The DPR Ministry of Foreign Affairs stated that work is underway to hold a Tribunal against Ukrainian Nazi criminals who committed crimes on the territory of the DPR.
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According to Khodakovsky's statement, the total number of prisoners of war at Azovstal exceeded 1,800. Taking into account the fact that in the morning there were 1,730 enemy soldiers and officers who surrendered (according to the RF Ministry of Defense), today it must be understood that another 80-90 people surrendered. A few hundred more still sit at Azovstal.
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Nato have lost in Ukraine. They have only helped Ukraine to lose territory.
Time to move to cheerleading some other Nato proxy war or invasion. Try Somalia, sleepy Joe has sent in more invading troops after Trump removed them.
Time to move to cheerleading some other Nato proxy war or invasion. Try Somalia, sleepy Joe has sent in more invading troops after Trump removed them.
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lol.
Russia revealed their laser weapons back in 2018. Its a high tech weapon which is mainly used to destroy drones from the ground.
Are you really suggesting this doesnt exist?
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Latest from Russia 1750 Azov Nazis surrendered
I hope they are in any prisoner swap, are taken to trial for war crimes and sentenced to death.
Nato can support Nazis but most of the world want them gone forever.
I hope they are in any prisoner swap, are taken to trial for war crimes and sentenced to death.
Nato can support Nazis but most of the world want them gone forever.
We know from Israel’s Iron Beam that laser weapons are inferior in every respect - they are just a Star Wars trope.
Those of us who lost relatives to the real Nazis find your regurgitation of Russian propaganda aimed at simpletons as obscene as it is repugnant.
Especially just two months after Putin attended the funeral of the Russian fascist Vladimir Zhirinovsky.
Hold on, for the first time you have legally made yourself an accessory to war crimes.
It goes like this:
1. The Azov people were in sovereign Ukrainian territory to which Russia does not even lay a claim.
2. They were there on the orders of their legal government.
3. They have surrendered as prisoners of war.
4. You are now advocating their execution.
Russia has no legal right even to detain them. It certainly can’t kill them.
If their political affiliations are illegal in another country that does not give that country any legal right to invade, accept their surrender and then kill them.
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Up to 1,700 Ukrainian soldiers 'likely to have surrendered' from steel plant but Russian commanders are 'under pressure'
Up to 1,700 Ukrainian soldiers are likely to have "surrendered" from the Azovstal steel plant in the besieged port city of Mariupol, the UK's Ministry of Defence (MoD) has said.
The plant, which has seen fierce fighting in the recent weeks, was considered to be the last stronghold in Mariupol - a key target for Vladimir Putin.
Issuing its latest intelligence update on the war, the MoD said there are still an unknown number of Ukrainian forces inside the plant.
Overnight, Sviatoslav Palamar, deputy head of the Azov Regiment, released an 18-second video clip saying he was still inside and active, along with other commanders.
The MoD also said it is "likely" that once Russia has secured Mariupol, it will move its forces to "operations in the Donbas".
"Staunch Ukrainian resistance in Mariupol since the start of the war means Russian forces in the area must be re-equipped and refurbished before they can be redeployed effectively," it added.
However, Russian commanders are "under pressure" to show they can reach Putin's commands, which will mean troops will "probably redistribute their forces swiftly without adequate preparation", it said.
Up to 1,700 Ukrainian soldiers are likely to have "surrendered" from the Azovstal steel plant in the besieged port city of Mariupol, the UK's Ministry of Defence (MoD) has said.
The plant, which has seen fierce fighting in the recent weeks, was considered to be the last stronghold in Mariupol - a key target for Vladimir Putin.
Issuing its latest intelligence update on the war, the MoD said there are still an unknown number of Ukrainian forces inside the plant.
Overnight, Sviatoslav Palamar, deputy head of the Azov Regiment, released an 18-second video clip saying he was still inside and active, along with other commanders.
The MoD also said it is "likely" that once Russia has secured Mariupol, it will move its forces to "operations in the Donbas".
"Staunch Ukrainian resistance in Mariupol since the start of the war means Russian forces in the area must be re-equipped and refurbished before they can be redeployed effectively," it added.
However, Russian commanders are "under pressure" to show they can reach Putin's commands, which will mean troops will "probably redistribute their forces swiftly without adequate preparation", it said.
Well Russia won’t be killing them. The Donbas states where they are held right now are going to put them on trial and when they are found guilty they will be imprisoned for life or executed. Some of Azov guys have committed truly horrific crimes and deserve the severest punishment.
What is “likely” about it? The came out with their hands up. It’s as unconditional of a surrender as you can get.
The Russian commanders are under no extra pressure when compared to the first day. Thing in the Donbas are starting to unravel for the AFU and Russia still haven’t mobilised.
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I'm curious as to Turkey's blocking of Sweden's and Finland's NATO applications.
It appears that Sweden has offended Ankara by supporting Kurdish dissidents and granting them asylum.
Ankara is walking a tightrope - selling large numbers of drones to Ukraine, while also purchasing Russian missile systems, and needs Russian oil and gas to support its tanking economy.
Presumably this move will provide leverage for Erdogan in his complex relationship with Putin.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...sedgntp&cvid=dee95191f4c6433baedb00584feffb0d
It appears that Sweden has offended Ankara by supporting Kurdish dissidents and granting them asylum.
Ankara is walking a tightrope - selling large numbers of drones to Ukraine, while also purchasing Russian missile systems, and needs Russian oil and gas to support its tanking economy.
Presumably this move will provide leverage for Erdogan in his complex relationship with Putin.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...sedgntp&cvid=dee95191f4c6433baedb00584feffb0d
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Ukrainian troops, thought to be the last fighting Russian forces in Mariupol, have been told to stop the defence of the city.
Reuters news agency reported the Azov regiment had been ordered only to "save lives of soldiers" in the port - a key military objective for Vladimir Putin, which has been under bombardment for weeks.
The regiment says civilians and badly wounded soldiers have been evacuated from Mariupol's Azovstal plant, while those who have died there are still being removed, according to a video statement from Denys Prokopenko, commander of the regiment.
Video shows 'moments' before civilians executed - Ukraine news live
"We have constantly emphasised the three most important conditions for us: civilians, wounded and dead," he said.
"The civilians have been evacuated. The heavily wounded received the necessary assistance and they were evacuated, to be later exchanged and delivered to territory controlled by Ukraine."
He added that in the future he hoped relatives would be able to "bury their soldiers with honour".
Mariupol has been a key target for Putin since the war began and the city has been devastated after coming under a barrage of attacks.
At one point, it was estimated thousands sheltered underneath the plant, including hundreds of civilians, and there have been multiple evacuations underway in recent weeks.
Before the war, Mariupol had a population of about 400,000, but this has fallen dramatically to less than a quarter of the original population, with those remaining facing a daily struggle with severe shortages of food, clean water, and electricity.
Aid has not been able to reach the city and evacuating civilians has been extremely difficult.
Taking the strategically-important port city would give Russia its first major success in a war that has seen its military fail to gain the upper hand against ferocious Ukrainian defence.
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-...ariupol-told-to-stop-defence-of-city-12617385
Reuters news agency reported the Azov regiment had been ordered only to "save lives of soldiers" in the port - a key military objective for Vladimir Putin, which has been under bombardment for weeks.
The regiment says civilians and badly wounded soldiers have been evacuated from Mariupol's Azovstal plant, while those who have died there are still being removed, according to a video statement from Denys Prokopenko, commander of the regiment.
Video shows 'moments' before civilians executed - Ukraine news live
"We have constantly emphasised the three most important conditions for us: civilians, wounded and dead," he said.
"The civilians have been evacuated. The heavily wounded received the necessary assistance and they were evacuated, to be later exchanged and delivered to territory controlled by Ukraine."
He added that in the future he hoped relatives would be able to "bury their soldiers with honour".
Mariupol has been a key target for Putin since the war began and the city has been devastated after coming under a barrage of attacks.
At one point, it was estimated thousands sheltered underneath the plant, including hundreds of civilians, and there have been multiple evacuations underway in recent weeks.
Before the war, Mariupol had a population of about 400,000, but this has fallen dramatically to less than a quarter of the original population, with those remaining facing a daily struggle with severe shortages of food, clean water, and electricity.
Aid has not been able to reach the city and evacuating civilians has been extremely difficult.
Taking the strategically-important port city would give Russia its first major success in a war that has seen its military fail to gain the upper hand against ferocious Ukrainian defence.
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-...ariupol-told-to-stop-defence-of-city-12617385
Firstly, the Donbas puppet states have no legal status. Why don’t you ask Lord Haw Haw what happens when you abandon your own citizenship to act under an imaginary flag?
Secondly, do you think even 1% of Russian speaking residents of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions still support Russia now that it has “liberated” them by destroying their houses, businesses, workplaces and property?
As soon as Russia responded to its defeats at Kyiv and Kharkiv by demolishing the Donbas they ensured that what little support they had vanished in an instant. Actual (rather than imaginary) Nazis seem more like liberators than the Russians to the desperate people of Donbas now that the Russians have destroyed their lives.
Russia's Defeat in Zhytomyr! Ukrainian Forces Eliminated Russian Positions!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJPIogvGPDQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJPIogvGPDQ
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G7 countries intend to allocate $18.4 billion to Ukraine as financial support for Ukraine - Reuters
this is a loan. And part of the debt will be taken away by grain and food! The West is destroying Ukrainians physically, it is preparing the whole country for famine.
this is a loan. And part of the debt will be taken away by grain and food! The West is destroying Ukrainians physically, it is preparing the whole country for famine.
Some fairly typical stories emerging of rapes by Russian troops as they liberated ethnically Russian parts of Ukraine:
A 1 year old boy who died of his injuries after being raped by Russian soldiers.
9 year old triplets gang raped in front of their mother.
Two ten year old boys raped by Russian soldiers.
A two year old girl raped by 2 soldiers.
A 67 year old man and a 78 year old man raped by drunken Russian soldiers who couldn’t find any females to rape in a village because they had killed them all after raping them the previous night.
The most effective entity at turning the Ukrainian Russians against Russia is clearly the Russian Army.
I’m not sure how you deNazify pre-pubescent children by raping them, so I clearly have a lot to learn.
A 1 year old boy who died of his injuries after being raped by Russian soldiers.
9 year old triplets gang raped in front of their mother.
Two ten year old boys raped by Russian soldiers.
A two year old girl raped by 2 soldiers.
A 67 year old man and a 78 year old man raped by drunken Russian soldiers who couldn’t find any females to rape in a village because they had killed them all after raping them the previous night.
The most effective entity at turning the Ukrainian Russians against Russia is clearly the Russian Army.
I’m not sure how you deNazify pre-pubescent children by raping them, so I clearly have a lot to learn.
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“The shock of the war in Ukraine is turning into a structural crisis that will burden the German economy not for months, but for years.”
The newspaper Handelsblatt writes that 1/3 of German companies believe that their business in the coming year will noticeably worsen compared to today. Only 19% expect improvement. These are the results of a survey by the German Chamber of Commerce and Industry among 25,000 companies.
The newspaper Handelsblatt writes that 1/3 of German companies believe that their business in the coming year will noticeably worsen compared to today. Only 19% expect improvement. These are the results of a survey by the German Chamber of Commerce and Industry among 25,000 companies.
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During the night, 25 servicemen from the 95th Air Assault Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine surrendered to the DPR forces.
The prisoners said that the command recently used them as ordinary infantry, which was tasked with "being in the trenches and trying to hold back the offensive."
In the trenches, from where the Ukrainian paratroopers surrendered, at least three dozen of their colleagues died, who could not withstand the attacks of artillery and armored vehicles, and then collided with an assault unit of the special forces of the allied forces of the DPR and the Russian Federation.
The survivors refused further resistance and raised the white flag.
The prisoners said that the command recently used them as ordinary infantry, which was tasked with "being in the trenches and trying to hold back the offensive."
In the trenches, from where the Ukrainian paratroopers surrendered, at least three dozen of their colleagues died, who could not withstand the attacks of artillery and armored vehicles, and then collided with an assault unit of the special forces of the allied forces of the DPR and the Russian Federation.
The survivors refused further resistance and raised the white flag.
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Russian troops are liberating Severodonetsk, there are fierce battles for this strategically important city of the LPR. According to various estimates, there are from 8,000 to 15,000 Ukrainian militants in the Severodonetsk region.
Yesterday, the Ukrainian army was defending outside the city, but then retreated deep into residential areas, habitually hiding behind a human shield of civilians, of which there are still a lot in the city.
Yesterday, the Ukrainian army was defending outside the city, but then retreated deep into residential areas, habitually hiding behind a human shield of civilians, of which there are still a lot in the city.
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Several boilers for the Armed Forces of Ukraine are being created in Donbass at once.
According to “Come and See”, the Russian army has changed the tactics of military operations in the Donbass. Instead of trying to create one big cauldron for the entire 40,000-strong group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, now the enemy forces are dismembered, deprived of supplies and beaten in parts.
So, the largest boiler is being created in Lisichansk - there the catch can significantly beat the record of Azovstal. Nearly 10,000 Ukrainian soldiers will be surrounded. If the cauldron takes place, it will be not only a major military, but also a moral victory.
According to “Come and See”, the Russian army has changed the tactics of military operations in the Donbass. Instead of trying to create one big cauldron for the entire 40,000-strong group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, now the enemy forces are dismembered, deprived of supplies and beaten in parts.
So, the largest boiler is being created in Lisichansk - there the catch can significantly beat the record of Azovstal. Nearly 10,000 Ukrainian soldiers will be surrounded. If the cauldron takes place, it will be not only a major military, but also a moral victory.
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