Russia invades Ukraine

[Junaids]

One fascinating outcome of this thread is that much of it now comes down to the validity, or rather lack of it, of the Curzon Line.

It was Stalin in 1945 who managed the almost unique feat of actually moving the location of Poland.

Suddenly Eastern Poland was annexed by the USSR, as follows:

1. Vilnius and surrounds joined the Lithuanian Soviet Socialist Republic - and became its capital, and is now the capital of independent Lithuania.

2. The Belarussiam Soviet Socialist Republic only became a viable future nation by having half of Eastern Poland annexed to it.

3. What we now call western Ukraine - places like Lviv - was actually Lemberg in Poland, where Simon Wiesenthal was born.

Stalin basically seized these lands from Poland and in exchange he ethnically cleansed the German population out of East Prussia - which was the key part of Germany - and moved the displaced Poles there (as well as keeping Koenigsberg for Russia and moving Russians there).

The irony of this thread is that people like [MENTION=143290]Reddy[/MENTION] and [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] say, with some justification, that the transfer of Crimea from Russia to Ukraine within the USSR was unfair and must be corrected.

The thing is, if that USSR switch of sovereignty is up for renegotiation, then why doesn’t Germany get East Prussia back and why doesn’t Poland get Eastern Poland back?

It seems like Russia only recognises territorial disputes - and security guarantees - when it is the side with something to gain. Their neighbours have no such rights.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The irony of this thread is that people like [MENTION=143290]Reddy[/MENTION] and [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] say, with some justification, that the transfer of Crimea from Russia to Ukraine within the USSR was unfair and must be corrected.

The thing is, if that USSR switch of sovereignty is up for renegotiation, then why doesn’t Germany get East Prussia back and why doesn’t Poland get Eastern Poland back?

It seems like Russia only recognises territorial disputes - and security guarantees - when it is the side with something to gain. Their neighbours have no such rights.

Care to quote the post or are you playing Nato making up things?

You are very concerned with law all of a sudden when Russia invades but no issues with Nato breaking Int laws on a regular basis since its birth.

Laws and justifications have little relevence in the world we live in today. Russia has seen UK,US, France and others not only break Int laws but destroy multiple nations, their policies resulting in over 4 million dead. Now its protect yourself at all costs esp if Nato warmongering is on your doorstep and this was what Russia has done and will continue to do.

Its too late for these lame emotional historical points or any other tantrums, Putins army is destroying the Nazi led Ukranians. Russia has now also liberated the town of Lyman.

 

[Pakpak]

Russians will overrun the East soon

I think after that Putin will bide his time and then resume offensive especially in the South targeting Odesa

 

[Reddy]

Mercenaries from Britain and Morocco in DPR captivity will face the death penalty, RIA Novosti was told by the Prosecutor General's Office of the DPR republic.

 

[Junaids]

Mercenaries from Britain and Morocco in DPR captivity will face the death penalty, RIA Novosti was told by the Prosecutor General's Office of the DPR republic.

Again, I don’t know why I expect more of you, but do you not see the parallels with the Spanish Civil War in the 1930’s?

Then, as now, there was an undemocratic, brutal, Fascist side. (In spite of Putin’s comical attempts to pass off the Ukrainians as Nazis, it is his side that bears such resemblance to the Fascists of the 1930’s.)

In the Spanish Civil War, like now, the people from democracies who signed up did so not for the paltry pay on offer but out of principle - it’s what the International Brigade was.

And now, like then, the side which actually does use mercenaries - Russia, which operates the Wagner mercenary/terrorist group - accuses the other side of doing what we all know it is doing - using mercenaries.

 

[Technics 1210]

Care to quote the post or are you playing Nato making up things?

You are very concerned with law all of a sudden when Russia invades but no issues with Nato breaking Int laws on a regular basis since its birth.

Laws and justifications have little relevence in the world we live in today. Russia has seen UK,US, France and others not only break Int laws but destroy multiple nations, their policies resulting in over 4 million dead. Now its protect yourself at all costs esp if Nato warmongering is on your doorstep and this was what Russia has done and will continue to do.

Its too late for these lame emotional historical points or any other tantrums, Putins army is destroying the Nazi led Ukranians. Russia has now also liberated the town of Lyman.

Nailed it. I suspect the typical response you will receive from liberals (if any) when Western hypocrisy is exposed is - "2 wrongs don't make a right."

I would like to know how many Pro NATO PPers would house Ukrainian refugees. I am guessing, zilch.

 

[Robert]

Once mariupol was taken by the chechens and azov nazis captured

Looks like the ukranian resistance has lost all wind its sails.

Brave of them to stand toe to toe but a russian routing them is invetiable, Russia will have to make some serious battlefield blunders now for the tide to turn but with the Russians you never know.

The parallel with the hapless Red Army between 1939 and 1942 is stark. After the initial phase which was characterised by astonishing failures: confused objectives, bad intel and C3, and logistics disasters, the dictator has replaced a lot of incompetent senior staff with capable people.

Now he is setting proper objectives and is relying on his massive arsenal of rocket and tube artillery and is destroying whole towns. As I predicted.

I further predict that Donbas will be conquered and Ukrainian patriots will become a Resistance, carrying out nuisance attacks, shooting collaborator government officials and Russian officers, exploding IUDs, keeping a steady trickle of Russian lads going home in body bags, much as the Latvian “forest brothers” resisted the USSR for decades.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So are we winning then?

I am asking purely as a British citizen facing massive price rises for food and energy. I can afford it, but I suspect many can't. Maybe the idea is they will find their own way to equalise through robbery and other advanced methods of procuring capital.

 

[Robert]

Again, I don’t know why I expect more of you, but do you not see the parallels with the Spanish Civil War in the 1930’s?

Then, as now, there was an undemocratic, brutal, Fascist side. (In spite of Putin’s comical attempts to pass off the Ukrainians as Nazis, it is his side that bears such resemblance to the Fascists of the 1930’s.)

In the Spanish Civil War, like now, the people from democracies who signed up did so not for the paltry pay on offer but out of principle - it’s what the International Brigade was.

And now, like then, the side which actually does use mercenaries - Russia, which operates the Wagner mercenary/terrorist group - accuses the other side of doing what we all know it is doing - using mercenaries.

Sure. Some Britons who went on to prominence volunteered for the International Brigade. Michael Foot MP, authors George Orwell and Laurie Lee.

Here’s a moving piece from Euromaidan Press:

“I am not a military man. I never wanted to be in the military. I am a researcher, have a PhD in history and work at a museum. I am also sort of a writer. I am supposed to be researching history, writing scientific and popular science works. And fiction too; because I like it and I am good at it.

But lately I've been in the military. Because there is a war in my country. Every day we engage in artillery duels, in which one successful strike by an enemy will turn us into mince. We sleep in the cargo beds on top of the boxes in unbelievable narrowness, and take warm shower once a month. When it's raining, we're wet. When we're in a swamp, we're as dirty as hell (and, again, we take a shower once a month, and there is no guarantee that we will have such an opportunity the next month). And when it was cold, my brothers in arms froze off their fingers. We eat only when we have a minute to spare, not when it's time to eat or when we have an appetite. We sleep so irregularly that I don't know if I will ever be able to return to my standard schedule from 11pm to 7am. At the same time, we are a priority target for the enemy. And they can try to wipe us out in different ways, at any moment.

Thousands of historians, writers, accountants, bankers, IT specialists, teachers, designers and representatives of other completely peaceful professions in Ukraine have found themselves in these conditions, if not in more drastic ones. They are being killed with 152 mm artillery and Tochka-U missile launchers. Bullets, VOGs, clusters and phosphorus ammunition flies at them. Some of them have already died. And some will never return to their profession because they have burned out. But they all continue to fight. Because Ukraine is behind them. Because if they lay down their arms, their parents will be killed, their wives and daughters will be raped, and their homes will be destroyed or confiscated.

And when politicians from France, Italy, Germany and other countries offer us to lay down our arms, agree to lose territories, provide Russia with some security guarantees (what an absurdity!!! Russia does not need any security guarantees; it’s Russia’s neighbors who need guarantees against the threat from them)...
Then I feel anger and deep disgust. I loathe these worthless people who, because of their prejudices or because of Putin's dirty money, are ready to condemn my country to occupation, to a slow and painful death. I feel disgust and anger at those who have great opportunities to help overcome the crisis, but instead seek, consciously or unconsciously, to deepen it. Because even the complete capitulation of Ukraine will not solve the problem of the global security. On the contrary, it will push Russia into new conquests.

We do not need offers to surrender. If you are not ready to fight with us against a rabid enemy, then help us with weapons, money, sanctions. We need a lot to defeat Russia and thus drastically reduce the global crisis. But we have the main thing: motivation. We have historians who are ready to sleep on top of boxes, five people in two sleeping places, and knead the mud for weeks without being able to shower. We have accountants who are ready to eat only porridge with stew for months. We have young students who spend their best years risking their lives. And they will not go anywhere, unless they are all killed.

With your consent.

Ukraine will fight to victory as long as she can resist.

And what will you do?

Sincerely,

Nazar Rozlutsky, PhD, currently a junior sergeant in the Armes Forces of Ukraine.

 

[Reddy]

️Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry on 28th May

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

As a result of joint action by People's Militia of Donetsk People's Republic and the Russian Armed Forces, Krasnyi Liman has been completely liberated from Ukrainian nationalists.

��High-precision air-based missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces have destroyed the forward comand post of the 30th mechanized brigade of the AFU in Bakhmut and command post of the territorial defence brigade in Soledar.

In addition, 5 command and observation posts, 17 areas of Ukrainian military manpower and military equipment concentration, and 4 ammunition depots near Nyrkovo, Bakhmut and Mironovka of the Donetsk People's Republic have been hit.

��Operational-tactical and army aviation have hit 6 command posts, 1 communications centre, 4 ammunition depots, 2 Grad MLRS batteries, as well as 50 areas of manpower and Ukrainian military equipment concentration.

The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 260 nationalists.

In addition, fighter aircraft have shot down 2 Su-25s of the Ukrainian Air Force over Zagradovka, Kherson Region, and Barvenkoe, Kharkov Region.

��Russian air defence means have shot down 1 Ukrainian Mi-8 helicopter near Orekhovo, Zaporozhye Region.

Also during the day, 18 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles have been shot down in the air over Zhovtnevoe, Pitomnik, Russkaya Lozovaya, Liptsy, Volokhov Yar, Glubokoe, Strelechya, Petrovskoe, Mikhailovka, Mospanovo, Malye Prokhody in Kharkov Region, Pervomaisk in Lugansk People's Republic, and Voznesensk in Nikolaev Region. Including 1 Ukrainian Bayraktar TB-2 unmanned aerial vehicle shot down near Pokrovka, Nikolaev Region.

In addition, 1 Ukrainian Tochka-U ballistic missile have been intercepted near Svatovo, Lugansk Region, and 7 Smerch rockets have been shot down near Sukhaya Kamenka, Kharkov Region, and Golaya Pristan, Kherson Region.

��Missile troops and artillery have hit 57 command posts, 618 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration, 42 Ukrainian artillery and mortar units at firing positions and 2 batteries of Grad multiple-launch rocket systems.

��In total, 182 Ukrainian aircraft and 128 helicopters, 1,045 unmanned aerial vehicles, 324 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,297 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 444 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,714 field artillery and mortars, as well as 3,245 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.

 

[Technics 1210]

So are we winning then?

I am asking purely as a British citizen facing massive price rises for food and energy. I can afford it, but I suspect many can't. Maybe the idea is they will find their own way to equalise through robbery and other advanced methods of procuring capital.

The cost of living was on the up before this war; what NATO didn't envisage is how Western sanctions would push the cost of living even higher - sanctions have failed.

Russia controls 40% of the Oil/Gas in Europe, now controls wheat supplies, out foxed the SWIFT/USD, and has the lowest debt in all of Western economies

Russia is winning on all fronts hands down.

 

[Technics 1210]

Liberal facsits leaders of the West are to blame. This dangerous ideology and its followers were and are against dialogue with Putin for decades, not interested in peace but war, and this is why they hate - the Don - because one of Trump's first calls and foreign meeting was with Putin, and it paid dividends.

Guaranteed if Trump was President, this war wouldn't have occurred.

 

[Reddy]

The amount of captured javelins, nlaws and other NATO weapons is ridiculous at this point. DPR is straight up using them on Ukrainians all day every day. There is probably 100 ish captured every 48h. The photos don’t stop.

These are expensive western weapon systems, Each Javelin costs 200k USD !! All those NATO Billions going down the drain and they are arming the Russians with these weapons plus all the reverse engineering/ flaw detection possibilities for Russian weapon engineers.

 

[Reddy]

On the restoration of Mariupol:

1. 1,300 residential buildings will be restored in the city. A significant part of the work will be financed by Russia.

2. The city will launch its own TV channel. Work is underway to prepare the equipment.

3. Systematic work is underway to collect the bodies of the dead Ukrainian military and civilians, as well as to identify burial grounds that were dug by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

4. What will happen in the place of Azovstal has not yet been fully determined, this issue will be finally resolved later.

5. Pensions in Mariupol will be paid from June in rubles at the offices of the Donbass Post.

6. The seaport of Mariupol will be closely integrated into the Russian economic processes in the Sea of ​​Azov.

 

[Reddy]

The Ukrainian formations knocked out of Krasny Liman tried to escape to the other side of the Seversky Donets south of Yampol in the area of ​​​​the Shchurova Gora hill. However, when trying to withdraw, the enemy suffered considerable losses, falling under a massive attack by Russian aircraft and mortar crews.

Also, the territory in the area of ​​Svyatogorsk to the north-west of Krasny Liman and north of Slavyansk is gradually passing under the control of Russian units. There is information about the liberation of the village Pasika.

There is also confirmation of the advance of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and units of the Republican People's Militia in the city of Severodonetsk - they managed to gain a foothold in the northern part of the settlement.

 

[Reddy]

Shinzo Abe's statement on Ukraine war/Putin/NATO:

"I don’t think there are many options left in this situation. There are lots of ways to analyse Putin’s character, but I think he is someone who believes in power and is a realist at the same time. He is not the type of person who pursues ideals, or makes sacrifices for ideas.

Before the invasion, when they had surrounded Ukraine, it might have been possible [to avoid war]. If [Ukrainian president Volodymyr] Zelensky could have been made to promise that his country will not join nato, or made to grant a high degree of autonomy to the two enclaves in the east. I understand this would be hard to do—perhaps an American leader could have done it. But of course [Zelensky] would refuse."

 

[Reddy]

The EU must abandon the crazy idea of ​​winning the war in Ukraine. We must force Ukraine to surrender and not provoke Russia into more serious actions - Italian General Leonardo Tricarico

Interestingly, the Ukrainian propaganda, led by the entire "Center for Counteracting Disinformation under the National Security and Defense Council" has already stated that Russia "probably bribed the Italian general", and indeed all Western experts who claim that Ukraine has no chance in this conflict.

 

[Robert]

The Ukrainian Eurovision winners sell their trophy for $900,000 to buy drones.

 

[Robert]

The EU must abandon the crazy idea of ​​winning the war in Ukraine. We must force Ukraine to surrender and not provoke Russia into more serious actions - Italian General Leonardo Tricarico

He has not studied history then. Appeasing a despot does not work. See Chamberlain in 1938. Putin will take such a move as weakness and land-grab somewhere else.

 

[silentkiller187]

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has visited troops on the frontline in the northeastern region of Kharkiv in his first official appearance outside of Kyiv since the start of Russia's invasion.

In a video address later on Sunday, he praised regional officials in Kharkiv but said he had sacked the regional head of the country's top security agency, the SBU, due to his poor performance.

"He did not work to defend the city from the first days of the full-scale war but thought only of himself personally," he said.

"What were his motives? Police are investigating."

Mr Zelenskyy also handed out commendations and gifts during his visit to the region.

"You risk your lives for us all and for our country," he told the soldiers, according to the president's office website.

His chief of staff, Andriy Yermak, posted on Telegram to say the president had also visited several destroyed residential buildings.

He added that 31% of the Kharkiv region was currently occupied by Russia, with a further 5% having been taken back by Ukraine.

Several loud explosions were reportedly heard in the city after Mr Zelenskyy's visit.

A large plume of dark smoke could also be seen rising northeast of the city centre.

The city has faced renewed Russian shelling in recent days after several relatively quiet weeks.

More than 2,000 apartment buildings have been destroyed since Russia's invasion began on 24 February, the regional governor Oleh Syniehubov said.

Meanwhile, Russian and Ukrainian troops fought in close-quarter combat in the eastern city of Severodonetsk on Sunday as Moscow's troops attempted to gain strategic footholds with the backing of intense shelling.

Mr Zelenskyy said all of the city's critical infrastructure has been destroyed by Russian artillery.

Ninety percent of buildings have been damaged, he said, with more than two-thirds of the city's housing stock destroyed

"Taking Severodonetsk is the principal aim of the occupying contingents," he added.

Ukrainian regional officials said Russian forces were "storming" the city after trying unsuccessfully to encircle it. The mayor said the fighting had knocked out power and mobile phone services and left a humanitarian relief centre unable to operate because of the danger.

The city, located around 89 miles (143km) south of the Russian border has recently emerged as the epicentre of Moscow's quest to capture the entirety of Ukraine's industrial Donbas region.

Russia has also increased its efforts to claim nearby Lysychansk, where civilians fled to in order to escape persistent shelling.

The two cities are the last major areas under Ukrainian control in Luhansk province, which together with neighbouring Donetsk makes up the Donbas region.

Mr Zelenskyy described the situation in the east as "indescribably difficult," adding that the "Russian army is trying to squeeze at least some result'' by concentrating its attacks there.

Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said the "liberation" of the Donbas region is "an unconditional priority".

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-...-outside-kyiv-since-russian-invasion-12623676

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

The EU must abandon the crazy idea of ​​winning the war in Ukraine. We must force Ukraine to surrender and not provoke Russia into more serious actions - Italian General Leonardo Tricarico

Interestingly, the Ukrainian propaganda, led by the entire "Center for Counteracting Disinformation under the National Security and Defense Council" has already stated that Russia "probably bribed the Italian general", and indeed all Western experts who claim that Ukraine has no chance in this conflict.

The usual suspects benefitting from this useless war are the only ones who are still actively and shamelessly war-mongering.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

The hypocrites are barking "peace" from their mouths but at the same time are "financing" Russia.

https://www.ecb.europa.eu/stats/pol...change_rates/html/eurofxref-graph-rub.en.html

 

[Pakpak]

Russians making gains everyday. It's obvious to many there is no military solution to this for Ukraine. Instead of piling weapons into Ukraine and throwing Ukrainians into a meat grinder there should be more pressure for talks. I fear the US and UK have no interest in peace and just want to turn this into Russias Vietnam as end of the day they are weakening the Russians without losing any of their assets.

Despite Russias shody performance over a longer period they would have won anyway

 

[Robert]

I fear the US and UK have no interest in peace and just want to turn this into Russias Vietnam as end of the day they are weakening the Russians without losing any of their assets.

And EU, Canada, Sweden and Finland. Every Russian tank KO’d lowers the risk to NATO and NATO-aligned states.

But there is no negotiation with Putin, just brinkmanship. There will be some sort of peace between UKR and Russia when he is gone.

 

[Reddy]

Ukrainian armed forces in Severodonetsk are under siege

Canadian journalist Neil Hauer, who is in the ranks of the forces of the Kyiv regime in Donbass, reports that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are in an extremely difficult situation.

According to him, the Artyomovsk (Bakhmut) - Severodonetsk highway is under fire, which is why drivers refuse to drive along it.

In addition, it is expected that in the near future the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the Armed Forces of the DPR will begin an assault on Artyomovsk, finally cutting the highway.

At the same time, the alternative supply route through Seversk may also soon be cut off.

 

[Reddy]

The Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation confirmed the fact of the strike on the operational control point of the Operational Command "South" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Novy Bug, which was reported in the morning. According to the information received, 37 officers, including 3 generals, were killed as a result of the strike.

 

[Reddy]

The Times: Russia takes control of the global wheat market.

According to the British publication, Russia's goal to increase agricultural exports by 50% by 2024 is quite achievable. An important factor in the growth of Russian exports is wheat, the world export of which Moscow has already taken under control.

In April alone, Russian grain exports increased by 18%. Significantly increased world grain prices have allowed the Russian budget to receive $1.9 billion in tax revenues on grain exports since the beginning of the year.

In addition, the publication notes that the export of wheat from Russia covers the deficit formed in the world grain market, including a drop in supplies from Ukraine by 32%.

 

[Reddy]

DPR declares that the liberators after Krasny Liman liberated Dibrova and Stary Karavan, now they are moving towards Slavyansk with fighting.

 

[Reddy]

"I think resolving [the situation] through negotiations would be the logical choice," General Mark Milley, chairman of the U.S. Army Chiefs of Staff, told Fox News, adding that "both sides must come to that conclusion on their own."

The western media is preparing their public for reality, propaganda does not win wars. These people were talking about taking Crimea couple of weeks back !!

 

[Robert]

Biden is sending rocket launchers to help UKR even up the artillery duel, and strengthen their negotiating hand.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61655577

 

[Reddy]

LPR, DPR, as well as Kherson and Zaporozhye regions will become part of Russia - there is no doubt about this, said Andrei Turchak, Secretary of the United Russia General Council

 

[James]

Russia now firmly on top.

 

[Technics 1210]

Ukraine raises interest rates from 10% to 25% to fight inflation!

Russia reduces interest rate from 14% to 11% to curb the strength of the Ruble!

Haha. You couldn’t make this up.

 

[Reddy]

Western officials speaking to western press now changing the tune about HIMARS “it will not change the tide of the war but it will help.” “Not one single system will change the tide of the war” priming their readers to their changing rhetoric as propaganda pieces run out of supporting visual evidence which the western readers are hungry for.

 

[Reddy]

The first stage of the Tribunal over Ukrainian war criminals will be held in Mariupol. It will be called the Mariupol Tribunal.

In addition to the Ukrainian Nazis who committed crimes in Mariupol, foreign mercenaries and NATO instructors will also be tried there.

 

[mazkhan]

By sending himars the usa is deliberately trying to prolong this war and make it drag on as long as possible .

 

[Pakpak]

By sending himars the usa is deliberately trying to prolong this war and make it drag on as long as possible .

US is. There is massive pressure on Germany from them as well.

For the US it's a bonus, Russia trapped in a war, they get to sell their weapons without actually getting in it as well. And they don't give two hoots about innocent Ukraninans dying in the process.

 

[KingKhanWC]

MSM still fooling their public saying Russians are refusing to fight, Ukraine still has the upper hand. lol.

The speed and efficiency of the Russian takevoer of the East has to be on of the smartest modern military moves in history.

Russia has now halted some Gas to Germany and Holland. The Euro and Sterling are weaker than before the military operation while Russian are doing just fine.

 

[Robert]

African Union tells Putin that his naval blockade will cause famine.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-61685383

 

[Technics 1210]

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba slammed French President Emmanuel Macron on Saturday for saying Russia should not be humiliated for its invasion of Ukraine.

Throughout the widely-condemned Russian invasion, Macron has joined most European leaders in backing Ukraine and has sought to balance his support alongside efforts to mediate diplomacy between the two countries as the war continues to rage on. He has also continued dialogue with Russian President Vladimir Putin in an effort to continue diplomacy in a war-torn Europe.

NW

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EU is crumbling, so much for the so called unity among NATO/West towards Russia.

The breakup of the EU will be a cherry on the cake!

 

[mazkhan]

African Union tells Putin that his naval blockade will cause famine.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-61685383

Wheat was never a staple of Africans

Millet and sorghum was and can tolerate harsh conditions

Later other crops like maize and cassava were introduced from the Americas which also suited wetter areas of Africa.

Even in pakistan before the green revolution the older generation never ate wheat they ate hardier grains and even the wheat that was grown was a much more primitive tall type that didn't need special seeds or fertilisers.

It's actually a travesty pakistan and countries in Africa have to import grain .


If pakistan rulers had any sense they would make sure the sorghum and millet crop this summer is good and feed people this instead of then having to import wheat and create a flour crisis.

With india diverting water farmers will have to change the crops they plant because things like wheat and rice aren't going to survive infact sorghum and Millet have better yields in per hectare in pakistan than wheat or rice

 

[MenInG]

Kyiv was rocked by multiple explosions overnight after Russian warplanes fired missiles from the Caspian Sea, as Vladimir Putin issued a warning to the West over supplying long-range missiles to Ukraine.

The Russian President said Moscow would strike new targets if the United States started supplying Ukraine with longer-range missiles, the Russian TASS news agency reported.

SKY

 

[Pakpak]

Seems like Ukrainians have taken back portions of Severodonetsk?

 

[bones]

Seems like Ukrainians have taken back portions of Severodonetsk?

The Russians took most of the city but stopped short of the industry zone. The Ukrainians then clashed with them and took about 20% meaning they control about half the city. The Russians could have pressed on but they wisely decided against this because the Ukrainian forces retreated to the hills on the other side of the river in lisichansk. So now the Russians have kind of created a grey zone which puts them out of reach for the Ukrainian artillery.

No one ever reveals their military plans so I’m only guessing but I think the Russians will try from the south.

 

[bones]

Mind you there are videos showing Chechens walking around the city. So we could be wrong again about counter offensives.

 

[Robert]

Zelensky’s party Servants of the People was yesterday admitted to the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe at the ALDE Congress in Dublin.

https://www.aldeparty.eu/congress

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Right now, the Russian Armed Forces are destroying critical military infrastructure facilities of Ukraine in the Nikolaev region with strikes of high-precision weapons.

Explosions in Nikolaev are confirmed by the mayor of the city.

Source: https://t.me/s/RVvoenkor/15129 (Google Translate)

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Fully expect the unexpected.

With Russian Trollbots spreading their state propaganda and Western Media reporting a reality they wished for (same way they did during Taliban's conquest of Afghanistan without any kind of significant resistance )


It could be either a flawless Russian victory or it could be their Afghanistan part II hell.

Let's wait a few more weeks.

 

[Reddy]

Fully expect the unexpected.

With Russian Trollbots spreading their state propaganda and Western Media reporting a reality they wished for (same way they did during Taliban's conquest of Afghanistan without any kind of significant resistance )


It could be either a flawless Russian victory or it could be their Afghanistan part II hell.

Let's wait a few more weeks.

Weeks? It will take many months to get all the Russian speaking areas, right now Russia has 21% of Ukraine, that is the size of England but Ukraine is a big country and it will take loads of time, weapons and men to get all the needed territories.

The Russian Generals will be happy if they finish the war by the end of this year. The Americans and their vassal states will like to stretch this out for many years.

 

[Firebat]

Ukraine war: Another Russian general killed by Ukrainian forces - reports

Russian state media have confirmed the death of one of Moscow's top generals during heavy fighting in Ukraine's eastern Donbas region.

Maj Gen Roman Kutuzov was killed leading an assault on a Ukrainian settlement in the region, a reporter with the state-owned Rossiya 1 said.

Alexander Sladkov said Gen Kutuzov had been commanding troops from the self-declared Donetsk People's Republic.

Russia's defence ministry has not commented on the reports.

"The general had led soldiers into attack, as if there are not enough colonels," Mr Sladkov wrote on the Telegram social media app. "On the other hand, Roman was the same commander as everyone else, albeit a higher rank."

Ukraine's military also confirmed the killing of Gen Kutuzov, without offering further details about the circumstances.

His death comes as rumours circulated on social media that a second senior officer, Lt Gen Roman Berdnikov, commander of the 29th Army, was also killed in fighting over the weekend. The BBC cannot independently verify the claims.

Russian commanders have been increasingly forced to the front in an attempt to drive forward the invasion and Moscow has confirmed the deaths of four senior generals.

Kyiv claims to have killed 12 generals and Western intelligence officials say at least seven senior commanders have been killed.

But there has been confusion over reports of the deaths of several other Russian officers. Three generals that Ukrainian forces claimed to have killed have subsequently been reported to be alive.

In March, Ukrainian forces said Maj Gen Vitaly Gerasimov had been killed outside the country's second city of Kharkiv. However, on 23 May Russian state media said he had been awarded a state honour and dismissed reports of his death.

Another commander, Maj Gen Magomed Tushaev, also appeared to be still alive and periodically appears in videos posted to social media.

And on 18 March, Kyiv alleged that Lt Gen Andrey Mordvichev had been killed in an airstrike in the Kherson region. However, he later appeared in a video meeting with Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov and on 30 May BBC Russia confirmed that he was still alive.

The deaths of generals are rarely officially acknowledged in Russia. In the case of Maj Gen Vladimir Frolov, no information about his death had appeared in state media prior to his funeral in St Petersburg in April.

Russia lists military deaths as state secrets even in times of peace and has not updated its official casualty figures in Ukraine since 25 March, when it said that 1,351 Russian soldiers had been killed since President Vladimir Putin launched his invasion of Ukraine on 24 February.

In March, an official within President Volodymyr Zelensky's inner circle told the Wall Street journal that a team of Ukrainian military intelligence officers had been tasked with locating and targeting Russia's officer class.

"They look for high profile generals, pilots, artillery commanders," the official said. They added that the officers were then targeted either with sniper fire or artillery.

Last month, the New York Times reported that the US has provided intelligence to Ukraine, allowing them to target a number of the generals who have been killed in action.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61702862

 

[Reddy]

The Armed Forces of Ukraine complain that conducting tactical reconnaissance using UAVs has become significantly more complicated due to the operation of Russian electronic warfare systems, which jam cellular communication centers and Internet sources at enemy command posts and make reconnaissance drones absolutely useless.

 

[Reddy]

Ukrainian military commander Yuriy Butusov admitted that the message about the counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the liberation of 50% of Severodonetsk is not true. He accused the Ukrainian authorities of lying.

In the leadership of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, political rather than military expediency is increasingly playing the role. And since there are no military successes, one has to simultaneously throw the last reserves into battle and maintain the appearance that "everything is going according to plan."

 

[KingKhanWC]

Azov Nazis removed their SS badges .

Imo Putin is waiting to see what new weapons Yanks are sending . Missile attach on Chicken Kyiv was a warning , wanna go long range we will cook Kyiv so the stuffing melts from the centre .

Biden has also suggested Kyiv will need to give up territory . Now LNG contracts with European nations are sorted . Ukrainians must be slapping their own faces thinking why they trusted sleepy Joey .

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"> days of full-scale <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Russia?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Russia</a>'s war on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ukraine?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Ukraine</a>. <br><br>Information on Russian invasion. Losses of the Russian armed forces in Ukraine, June 7. <a href="https://t.co/i5wZti7Lul">pic.twitter.com/i5wZti7Lul</a></p>— UKR Mission to the EU (@UA_EUMission) <a href="https://twitter.com/UA_EUMission/status/1534097644980781056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Reddy]

Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

High-precision air-based missiles have hit 2 command posts, 3 firing positions of artillery batteries, as well as 18 areas of Ukrainian manpower and military equipment concentration. 2 ammunition depots have been destroyed in the areas of Vrubovka and Yakovlevka in Lugansk People's Republic.

Operational-tactical aviation have hit 65 areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration.

The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 170 nationalists, 9 tanks, 2 Grad multiple rocket launchers, 1 battery of field artillery and 8 various purpose vehicles.

Russian air defence means have shot down 12 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Liptsy, Streleche, Dement'evka, Borodoyarskoe, Mar'ino, Petrovskoe, Grakovo, Malye Prokhody in Kharkov Region, as well as Vasil'ievka in Nikolaev Region, overnight.

Missile troops and artillery have hit 39 command posts, 49 firing positions of AFU artillery, as well as 426 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration.

The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 400 nationalists, 10 armoured vehicles, 3 Grad multiple rocket launchers, 10 special vehicles, and 3 launchers of S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems near Kramatorsk.

In addition, shelling resulted in the destruction of one 155mm self-propelled howitzer (M109A3) donated by Norway, 2 US 155mm howitzers (M777), and 7 field artillery and mortars, including 1 203mm Pion self-propelled artillery mount.

In total, 190 Ukrainian aircraft and 129 helicopters, 1,139 unmanned aerial vehicles, 333 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,443 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 478 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,807 field artillery and mortars, as well as 3,464 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.

 

[Reddy]

Russia: “In the event of a new agreement with Ukraine, if Kyiv makes contact with Moscow, the status of the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions will not be up for discussion, same as issue with Crimea and Donbass — these issues are closed for Moscow.”

“Moscow was ready to stop the special operation back in March, during the negotiations of the delegations in Turkey. Then Ukraine itself offered a neutral status and security guarantees without including Donbass and Crimea. Vladimir Putin was ready to take this step, but the West put pressure on Ukraine, and therefore Kyiv withdrew its offer. Now it is not up for discussion anymore.”

 

[Firebat]

BBC Summary

- "Stalemate is not an option" for Ukraine, the country's president has said, as he again floated the idea of Nato membership

- Volodymyr Zelensky said the country had lost too many people to "simply cede our territory"

- Russia has long opposed Ukraine joining Nato, and Zelensky previously said he accepted his country could not join the military alliance

- Earlier, Zelensky said Russian attacks on Severodonetsk and Lysychansk in the Donbas region had turned them into “dead cities”

- Elsewhere, the bodies of some Ukrainian fighters killed at the Azovstal steelworks have been handed over to Kyiv, families of Ukraine's Azov unit say

- And Russia's UN ambassador walked out of a Security Council meeting after his country was blamed for causing a global food crisis

- European Council President Charles Michel said Russia was using food supplies as a "stealth missile" against the developing world

 

[Reddy]

On Tuesday, UK Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Justice Dominic Raab said that Britain would appeal a possible death sentence the British mercenaries were facing in the DPR

 

[Robert]

On Tuesday, UK Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Justice Dominic Raab said that Britain would appeal a possible death sentence the British mercenaries were facing in the DPR

I would prefer to call them freedom fighters rather than mercenaries, but in any event they have no protection under the Geneva Protocols.

 

[Technics 1210]

Russia will prolong this war, just like the West did in Afghanistan for 20 years for the sake of oil. I mean, even if you believe the OBL was found and murdered malarky, then what business did the West have in Afghanistan after the goal of killing OBL was achieved?

NATO played at their own game.

All we need now is the collapse of the EU.

This is a war on terror, and the West/NATO governments are the biggest terrorists.

 

[Junaids]

It's simply tragic how the bare-faced Russian lies about "liberating" ethnically Russian Ukrainians have fallen apart.

We now have a situation in which:

1. Russia failed in its initial war aims of overthrowing the Ukrainian government and controlling the entire country.

2. They have now switched to the smaller goal - one which they have sacrificed their entire economy for - of linking Crimea to occupied Luhansk and Donetsk.

3. They have failed to be welcomed as liberators even in Donetsk and Luhansk, and they are instead reducing every Donbas town and village to rubble, destroying the houses, schools, workplaces and banks of the very people they are pretending to liberate.

Russia has now expended over 90% of its guided missiles, and has no prospect of replacing them.

They have lost half their modern tanks and aircraft, and are replacing them with mothballed sixty to seventy year old material.

There is no doubt that with Macron engaged in his typical French Collaboration with Fascists and the Germans blithely betraying the Ukrainians, Russia will end up with Crimea and much of Donbas.

But Russia has disarmed itself. It has wasted all its modern weaponry on a war which will gain virtually no new land.

And it has united NATO like never before, and got them to spend 2% of their economies on defence.

It has brought Sweden and Finland into NATO, both of which are vastly superior to Russia in conventional weaponry.

And it has destroyed its own economy. I've never seen anything like this!

 

[bones]

It's simply tragic how the bare-faced Russian lies about "liberating" ethnically Russian Ukrainians have fallen apart.

We now have a situation in which:

1. Russia failed in its initial war aims of overthrowing the Ukrainian government and controlling the entire country.

2. They have now switched to the smaller goal - one which they have sacrificed their entire economy for - of linking Crimea to occupied Luhansk and Donetsk.

3. They have failed to be welcomed as liberators even in Donetsk and Luhansk, and they are instead reducing every Donbas town and village to rubble, destroying the houses, schools, workplaces and banks of the very people they are pretending to liberate.

Russia has now expended over 90% of its guided missiles, and has no prospect of replacing them.

They have lost half their modern tanks and aircraft, and are replacing them with mothballed sixty to seventy year old material.

There is no doubt that with Macron engaged in his typical French Collaboration with Fascists and the Germans blithely betraying the Ukrainians, Russia will end up with Crimea and much of Donbas.

But Russia has disarmed itself. It has wasted all its modern weaponry on a war which will gain virtually no new land.

And it has united NATO like never before, and got them to spend 2% of their economies on defence.

It has brought Sweden and Finland into NATO, both of which are vastly superior to Russia in conventional weaponry.

And it has destroyed its own economy. I've never seen anything like this!

Russia never stated conquering Ukraine was their aim. This was a lie the MSM fed gullible people like you. You cannot conquer a country the size of Ukraine with 200k soldiers, you would need many more. In WW2 the Germans needed 450k soldiers just to take Kiev so how can you expect to take the entire country with less than half the forces that historically were required to take just one city?

The Russians haven’t switched any goals. They said they wanted Crimea and Donbas and they will get it. They have taken territory the size of England and Wales with 200k soldiers in 3 months. That is a huge area. The fact that people don’t recognise the scale of the area is further proof of they feast on MSM nonsense.

The Russians are being welcomed by many in the Donbas. You just need to watch some alternative news. The Russians are not reducing anything to rubble, they could if they wanted but they are not because they have long term plans for this region and the people.

In late march the bbc told us the Russians were going to run out of precision missiles inside a week. We’re here 2 moths later and still they launch several each day. Please provide a source if you can regarding what Russia has lost and what they have left in their inventory.

By the way you have rambled on and on like everyone on MSM about Russian losses but no mention of Ukrainian losses? I wonder why?

The Russians haven’t lost anywhere near half their tanks and planes, lol they have used about 15% of their inventory altogether. There’s plenty more available to them if required.

The economies in the west are worse off than Russia. Just look at the currencies and rates of inflation in Russia compared to Europe for example.

NATO is united? More united than ever? Lol. Half of NATO countries don’t want to send any more weapons to Ukraine and the situation is that America is having to negotiate deals like if you send x number of y weapons we will send you z number of other weapons.

If NATO is do united then why are the Turks holding the vote to allow Finland and Sweden back? Surely if NATO was united these countries would already have been able to join?

As for who has the most advanced weapons, well consider this - one country has hypersonic missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads. No other country has this or even a counter - so stop talking out your rear end.

 

[Robert]

Russia never stated conquering Ukraine was their aim. This was a lie the MSM fed gullible people like you.

Then why was that massive armoured column headed for Kviv, before it ran out of diesel and ammo and took heavy losses?

Regime change was the original goal. Putin in his COVID-brain state thought that the Russians would be seen as liberators and welcomed in. Quite the reverse.

Now as [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] says he has settled for conquering Donbas.

 

[Robert]

Evgeny Federov of the Russian Duma has suggested that Russia revokes recognition of Lithuania’s independence.

Of course, the Duma is a sham. Russian politics is a pyramid structure where nothing happens without Putin’s say-so.

This is potentially very bad. Lithuania is a NATO member. An attempt by Russia to reconquer Lithuania could trigger WW3. But hopefully they won’t have the tanks and men for a war on two fronts, after bogging down in Ukraine.

https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-engli...voking-recognition-of-lithuanian-independence

 

[bones]

Then why was that massive armoured column headed for Kviv, before it ran out of diesel and ammo and took heavy losses?

Regime change was the original goal. Putin in his COVID-brain state thought that the Russians would be seen as liberators and welcomed in. Quite the reverse.

Now as [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] says he has settled for conquering Donbas.

If only people did some basic reading into manoeuvre warfare. That massive force around Kiev was between 40-50k soldiers. That is not enough to take a city of 3 million. It’s not enough to take even a city of 1 million. The Russians made moves in the north to fix Ukrainian forces into position. It is basic manoeuvre warfare. The fact you and Junaid still think the Russians wanted to capture Kiev goes to show how little people bother to do any reading.

If you think I’m wrong then please go through history and give me an no example of an attacking force taking capturing a city with a force that is the equivalent to1/100 of the population. I’ll give you a clue, there are none.

The Russians pulled out of the north once they secured the land bridge, supply lines and communication lines.

Again stop feasting on MSM and do some basic reading on warfare.

 

[KingKhanWC]

If only people did some basic reading into manoeuvre warfare. That massive force around Kiev was between 40-50k soldiers. That is not enough to take a city of 3 million. It’s not enough to take even a city of 1 million. The Russians made moves in the north to fix Ukrainian forces into position. It is basic manoeuvre warfare. The fact you and Junaid still think the Russians wanted to capture Kiev goes to show how little people bother to do any reading.

If you think I’m wrong then please go through history and give me an no example of an attacking force taking capturing a city with a force that is the equivalent to1/100 of the population. I’ll give you a clue, there are none.

The Russians pulled out of the north once they secured the land bridge, supply lines and communication lines.

Again stop feasting on MSM and do some basic reading on warfare.

You’re wasting your time , certain supporters of Nato will continue to live in their own fantasy land instead of accepting ground realities .

If Russia were to behave like Nato , they would have destroyed Kyiv with shock & awe, but Russia isn’t Nato , from the start it has tried to minimise casualties on all sides & minimise destruction of towns & cities . Russia retaliates as required.

Even sleepy Joe has admitted Ukraine isn’t getting back those eastern territories , they have been liberated permanently imo .

3 mercenaries , 2 Brits & 1 Moroccan have pleaded guilty in the Donetsk court. Russia msg not execute them imo but interestingly BBC & CNN aren’t covering their upcoming fait , even though a few months ago were cheerleading people to go & fight .

I would feel sorry for the Brits , MSM has brainwashed many to become foreign terrorists but they are grown men , who must face punishment for their crimes. If Uk had courage they would send in their own troops , walk the walk but it seems Brits soldiers are busy bringing in prostitutes to share around the barracks , check the news on this , confirms it really is a pathetic army now .

 

[Technics 1210]

You’re wasting your time , certain supporters of Nato will continue to live in their own fantasy land instead of accepting ground realities .

If Russia were to behave like Nato , they would have destroyed Kyiv with shock & awe, but Russia isn’t Nato , from the start it has tried to minimise casualties on all sides & minimise destruction of towns & cities . Russia retaliates as required.

Even sleepy Joe has admitted Ukraine isn’t getting back those eastern territories , they have been liberated permanently imo .

3 mercenaries , 2 Brits & 1 Moroccan have pleaded guilty in the Donetsk court. Russia msg not execute them imo but interestingly BBC & CNN aren’t covering their upcoming fait , even though a few months ago were cheerleading people to go & fight .

I would feel sorry for the Brits , MSM has brainwashed many to become foreign terrorists but they are grown men , who must face punishment for their crimes. If Uk had courage they would send in their own troops , walk the walk but it seems Brits soldiers are busy bringing in prostitutes to share around the barracks , check the news on this , confirms it really is a pathetic army now .

Russia should exchange the lives of these Brit mercenaries for the Russian solider tried for war crimes, if not, punish them with the death penalty.

Who was it, Truss, UK foreign secretary? She said to go fight for Ukraine? Well, now these so called Brit mercenaries who have bought into the NATO narrative, brainwashed by the MSM are paying the price. Lets see how the British government will help them. Let's see if NATO will help them. To think, anyone who fought against ISIS was a threat, but fighting the Russians, a hero!

 

[Robert]

If only people did some basic reading into manoeuvre warfare. That massive force around Kiev was between 40-50k soldiers. That is not enough to take a city of 3 million. It’s not enough to take even a city of 1 million. The Russians made moves in the north to fix Ukrainian forces into position. It is basic manoeuvre warfare. The fact you and Junaid still think the Russians wanted to capture Kiev goes to show how little people bother to do any reading.

If you think I’m wrong then please go through history and give me an no example of an attacking force taking capturing a city with a force that is the equivalent to1/100 of the population. I’ll give you a clue, there are none.

The Russians pulled out of the north once they secured the land bridge, supply lines and communication lines.

Again stop feasting on MSM and do some basic reading on warfare.

Oh dear. I could just as easily stay stop parroting RT Putin phanboi propaganda and think for yourself, or we could try to speak to each other with respect.

There was no point using those resources on a feint if Donbas was the real objective. Better to use all that armour on Donbas rather than throw it away for no gain. It is truer to say that the initial Russian planning underestimated the Ukrainian’s will to defend their land and freedom, and overestimated the competence of their senior echelons and logistics chains.

Now Putin has sacked a lot of underperforming generals and intelligence agents with competent staff and he is making slow progress using lots of rocket and tube artillery.

A NATO attack would have crippled its opponent’s C3, gained air superiority almost at once, and decapitated the leadership in days. See Iraq. It later got bogged down fighting an insurgency, which is what will happen in Ukraine if the Ukrainian patriots are reduced to guerilla tactics with snipers and IEDs. In the end, the Russians will be bled enough that they leave. Putin will die in office, or weaken and be replaced, and peace will return to Ukraine.

 

[Firebat]

BBC Summary

- There's no let up in the battle for the eastern Ukrainian city of Severodonetsk with street fighting and heavy artillery fire

- President Volodymyr Zelensky says the fate of his country's eastern Donbas region may be decided in the battle

- Russian troops are close to occupying all of the city. The regional governor says Ukrainian fighters hold only the outskirts

- Meanwhile, the UN's chief warns the war's impact on the world's "food security, energy and finance" is "severe"

- António Guterres says he wants to find a deal "that allows for the safe export" of Ukrainian-produced food through the Black Sea

- Hundreds of bodies are being found in the debris of destroyed buildings in Mariupol

- The body of journalist Frédéric Leclerc-Imhoff - killed on 30 May near Severodonetsk - has arrived in France

 

[KingKhanWC]

Russia should exchange the lives of these Brit mercenaries for the Russian solider tried for war crimes, if not, punish them with the death penalty.

Who was it, Truss, UK foreign secretary? She said to go fight for Ukraine? Well, now these so called Brit mercenaries who have bought into the NATO narrative, brainwashed by the MSM are paying the price. Lets see how the British government will help them. Let's see if NATO will help them. To think, anyone who fought against ISIS was a threat, but fighting the Russians, a hero!

I think Russia perhaps tried but imo Ukrainians don’t care for them

They have just been sentenced to death .

Brits should think carefully fighting for a foreign nation .

 

[Robert]

Torture and the death sentence is likely for those whom the Geneva Protocols do not protect.

Now Putin has another propaganda win/win. If he spare the Britons, he looks magnanimous. If he executes them, Johnson and Truss look weak.

Truss mis-spoke again in saying the government would support British fighters for Ukraine. The Foreign Office and Ambassadors must be tearing their hair out to be embarrassed by her incompetence. This is what happens when a populist PM appoints second-rate intellects because they are yes-people who won’t challenge him.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

LT messed up quite badly.

Anyway, we gain nothing by allowing people to go abroad to fight.

Who knows what sort of horrors they will see and what type of person we will allow back to live among us?

And form a purely diplomatic POV we gain nothing by allowing these rag tag vigilantes to try and be heroes. They are not going to change the course of the war nor can they be used for any propaganda purposes because despite LT's encouragement, officially we can't be seen to be backing them.

On the contrary if they die or are captured it is a massive propaganda coup, "evidence" of britain fighting the war indirectly, and after a few days in a Russian prison these men will sadly be crying about how Britain betrayed them by not bringing them home.

 

[MenInG]

Two Britons who were captured by Russian forces while fighting in Ukraine have been sentenced to death, state-owned Russian news agency RIA Novosti has said.

Aiden Aslin, 28, and Shaun Pinner, 48, have been accused of being mercenaries, another Russian news agency said.

 

[Reddy]

British Mercenaries Sean Pinner and Aiden Aslin, as well as Moroccan Saadoun Brahim, were sentenced to the death penalty.

The corresponding decision was made by the Supreme Court of the DPR.

They were found guilty under a number of criminal articles, including mercenary activities and actions aimed at seizing power in the republic.

 

[Robert]

LT messed up quite badly.

Anyway, we gain nothing by allowing people to go abroad to fight.

Who knows what sort of horrors they will see and what type of person we will allow back to live among us?

And form a purely diplomatic POV we gain nothing by allowing these rag tag vigilantes to try and be heroes. They are not going to change the course of the war nor can they be used for any propaganda purposes because despite LT's encouragement, officially we can't be seen to be backing them.

On the contrary if they die or are captured it is a massive propaganda coup, "evidence" of britain fighting the war indirectly, and after a few days in a Russian prison these men will sadly be crying about how Britain betrayed them by not bringing them home.

I guess it is about finding meaning in their lives.

Three ex-soldiers were interviewed on their way to Ukraine. They wanted to use their training and strike a blow for freedom.

I would imagine that a lot of older Britons were tempted to fight. Go out of life hard, with honour and purpose, rather than get old and sick and fade away.

A retired ex-Colonel gave some advice on BBCR4. Think carefully, he said. If you have no infantry training and don't speak Ukrainian you will just be underfoot, so don't go. If you have infantry training, you still have no protection under international law and can be shot as spies.

And it was extremely stupid of Truss to voice support for them.

 

[Reddy]

There are reports of losses amongst foreign mercenaries in Ukraine— deaths have been reported amongst mercenaries from the UK, Georgia, Netherlands, Germany, Australia, Canada, France. These losses occurred around Severodonetsk. We’ve previously seen footage of these mercenaries vowing to destroy the Russians.

 

[cpleigh]

Can we knock the mercenaries off. The 2 x Brits both served in the Ukranian army pre Inavasion. 1 is married to a Ukranian.

Both should have rights under the Geneva convention

 

[Robert]

Can we knock the mercenaries off. The 2 x Brits both served in the Ukranian army pre Inavasion. 1 is married to a Ukranian.

Both should have rights under the Geneva convention

Fair points. More information is coming to light. The Geneva Protocols should protect both. But they appear to have confessed to war crimes under torture.

 

[bones]

Oh dear. I could just as easily stay stop parroting RT Putin phanboi propaganda and think for yourself, or we could try to speak to each other with respect.

There was no point using those resources on a feint if Donbas was the real objective. Better to use all that armour on Donbas rather than throw it away for no gain. It is truer to say that the initial Russian planning underestimated the Ukrainian’s will to defend their land and freedom, and overestimated the competence of their senior echelons and logistics chains.

Now Putin has sacked a lot of underperforming generals and intelligence agents with competent staff and he is making slow progress using lots of rocket and tube artillery.

A NATO attack would have crippled its opponent’s C3, gained air superiority almost at once, and decapitated the leadership in days. See Iraq. It later got bogged down fighting an insurgency, which is what will happen in Ukraine if the Ukrainian patriots are reduced to guerilla tactics with snipers and IEDs. In the end, the Russians will be bled enough that they leave. Putin will die in office, or weaken and be replaced, and peace will return to Ukraine.

During desert storm, the Americans did exactly the same. They put a huge force (relatively) in a spot and the Iraqis and most of the world thought the Americans were planning something. It turns out later on the military leaders said it was just a fixing move. To make it seem real to everyone they had to launch some small company level attacks here and there. They also had to move vehicles and troops around to make it look real too.

Soldiers who fought in that war are the ones who told us what the Russians were doing around Kyiv was the same, it was a fixing move. I didn't get any of my info from RT, here in the UK we can't even watch that channel anymore, not without using some VPN online.

The Russians haven't been perfect during this conflict, far from it, but they have been significantly better than Ukraine (NATO). This is showing by the grinding down of the AFU in Donbas.

You talk about what NATO would have done, like the Russians had the same objective. Russia does not want to flatten the regions of Ukraine they are fighting for. Unlike NATO and the evil American empire in particular, the Russians do care about the population of Donbas, that is why they are fighting for it.

Russia is sacking many commanders, just 2 days ago I heard they replaced one in the Izyum region. This is good and bad, this is good because they're able to do this so easily in a live conflict, this is bad because some sections of their army are underperforming. The Russian source who stated this said he was sacked because he took 2 weeks to do what they had hoped would take 5 days.

 

[silentkiller187]

Family members of two Britons sentenced to death by a Russian-backed court after fighting in Ukraine, have described their devastation at the news.

Aiden Aslin, 28, and Shaun Pinner, 48, have been accused of being mercenaries.