Russia invades Ukraine

[bones]

Reports coming in that Ukraine have attacked a detention centre in the far east of the country called Yelonovka which held their own prisioners, mostly the Azov Nazis.

I wonder what the play here is, are they afraid of intelligence being captured?

 

[KingKhanWC]

The Russians are just murderous rapists.

And everyone who defends them is beneath contempt.

Where do you get this anti-Semitic poison from?

On the one hand you call the Ukrainians "Nazis", but then you write all this anti-Semitic twaddle.

May I just remind you that:

1. Israeli Arabs have a life expectancy 10 years longer than any other Arab nation.
2. Israeli Arabs have a higher literacy rate than any other Arabs. Female Arab Israeli literacy is 88%, compared with 43% in Egypt.
3. Israeli Arabs have a higher median income than any other Arab nationality.
4. Israeli Arabs have the lowest infant mortality of any Arab nationality.
5. Israeli Arabs have the highest median house value of any Arab nationality.
6. Israel is the only country in the Middle East whose Arab citizens have democratic rights to vote.

I don't know why you swamp this thread with your anti-Semitic propaganda. Frankly, based on my points above, you should try being a Zionist!

Is this some kind of sick joke?

You claim Russia are evil but Israel are angels?

You are against Russia invading but are ok with any Jew from anywhere allowed to steal land in an area they or their ancestors have never set foot on?

I could go on all night but please do continue your arguments are great example of US supporters hypocrisy.

 

[James]

Video of Russian soldiers castrating a captured Ukrainian soldier.

Animals

This is horrible — no justification from me at all. I would however add that it is a common war behaviour. Americans and Japanese used to do this to each other in WWII.

 

[Pakpak]

Where do you get this anti-Semitic poison from?

On the one hand you call the Ukrainians "Nazis", but then you write all this anti-Semitic twaddle.

May I just remind you that:

1. Israeli Arabs have a life expectancy 10 years longer than any other Arab nation.
2. Israeli Arabs have a higher literacy rate than any other Arabs. Female Arab Israeli literacy is 88%, compared with 43% in Egypt.
3. Israeli Arabs have a higher median income than any other Arab nationality.
4. Israeli Arabs have the lowest infant mortality of any Arab nationality.
5. Israeli Arabs have the highest median house value of any Arab nationality.
6. Israel is the only country in the Middle East whose Arab citizens have democratic rights to vote.

I don't know why you swamp this thread with your anti-Semitic propaganda. Frankly, based on my points above, you should try being a Zionist!

I am sorry, while Russia has been brutal in terms of war crimes, we can no way exclude the disgusting and brutal apartheid the IDF and the Israeli government are committing.

Many, MANY, Jews have protested against Israel's horrible crimes too.

 

[James]

Many, MANY, Jews have protested against Israel's horrible crimes too.

As a man once said, many Jews are not Zionists and many Zionists are not Jews.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The Russians are just murderous rapists.

And everyone who defends them is beneath contempt.

Where do you get this anti-Semitic poison from?

On the one hand you call the Ukrainians "Nazis", but then you write all this anti-Semitic twaddle.

May I just remind you that:

1. Israeli Arabs have a life expectancy 10 years longer than any other Arab nation.
2. Israeli Arabs have a higher literacy rate than any other Arabs. Female Arab Israeli literacy is 88%, compared with 43% in Egypt.
3. Israeli Arabs have a higher median income than any other Arab nationality.
4. Israeli Arabs have the lowest infant mortality of any Arab nationality.
5. Israeli Arabs have the highest median house value of any Arab nationality.
6. Israel is the only country in the Middle East whose Arab citizens have democratic rights to vote.

I don't know why you swamp this thread with your anti-Semitic propaganda. Frankly, based on my points above, you should try being a Zionist!

I am sorry, while Russia has been brutal in terms of war crimes, we can no way exclude the disgusting and brutal apartheid the IDF and the Israeli government are committing.

Many, MANY, Jews have protested against Israel's horrible crimes too.

If the poster went to Tel Aviv airport to vist the holy land, he would be held in a separate area, questioned for possibly hours and humiliated by the IDF. Anyone with a Pakistani background or born in Pakistan will face such behavior, regardless if they ignore their skin colour, believe they are English as WG Grace and support Zionist terrorism on forums.

 

[Pakpak]

As a man once said, many Jews are not Zionists and many Zionists are not Jews.

Exactly. There are countless Jews who also hate what their government is doing.

 

[KingKhanWC]

As a man once said, many Jews are not Zionists and many Zionists are not Jews.

Close

Its ' Not all Jews are Zionists and most Zionists are not Jews'.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Exactly. There are countless Jews who also hate what their government is doing.

Sure but the majority of Jews in Israel, the vast majority support aparthied, occupation and taking land from Palestinians. They all have to be part of the occupation as part of their mandatory military service at 18 years old.

The ones I respect are those who refuse to serve in the IDF or those who refuse to live in a land which is as evil as a nation in history.

 

[Technics 1210]

Close

Its ' Not all Jews are Zionists and most Zionists are not Jews'.

Exactly, and ALL liberals have a problem understanding that Zionism is the right-wing faction of Judaism.

There a countless videos of orthodox Jews opposing Zionism and the illegal occupation of Isreal.

 

[James]

Most people who don’t live in Israel support the Palestinians I think. Israel enjoys support from a minority of powerful political, financial and military elites but the general public at large can see how what is happening in Israel is brutal and immoral. A lot of politicians in the West oppose Israel as well but are suppressed from speaking out.

 

[James]

Anyway we should return to the topic I guess.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Anyway we should return to the topic I guess.

Agree.

However Israel has a big hand in this conflict.

Russia realised a decade ago ,the Zionists are its enemy. Since the liberation of the newly formed territories, Russian and Israeli 'ties' have deteriorated quickly.

Russians now want these Israeli run Jewish agencies out of their country, as they also used to spy.

Tensions high between Israel, Russia over looming ban of Jewish Agency

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/07/25/israel-russia-jewish-agency-suspension-ukraine/

The temple cant be built until Orthodox Russia is no longer a power. The plan anyway....

 

[KingKhanWC]

Exactly, and ALL liberals have a problem understanding that Zionism is the right-wing faction of Judaism.

There a countless videos of orthodox Jews opposing Zionism and the illegal occupation of Isreal.

Liberals are confused like never before.

They cheer on wars in Falklands, Iraq, Libya and support Israel but when asked why then arent Russians allowed self defence......their answer urmmm but Putin is evil..

 

[bones]

China making it as clear as daylight. If Pelosi visits Taiwan, expect fireworks. The Chinese don't bluff. The question now is do the ruling elite in American want Taiwan to fight a proxy war with China?

 

[Junaids]

Video of Russian soldiers castrating a captured Ukrainian soldier.

Animals

Apparently the Russian soldiers who castrated the Ukrainian prisoner were members of Rusich, which is a Russian Neo-Nazi gang.

So much for liberating Ukraine from Fascists. Russia is now sending Nazis to castrate Ukrainians!

 

[Junaids]

If the poster went to Tel Aviv airport to vist the holy land, he would be held in a separate area, questioned for possibly hours and humiliated by the IDF. Anyone with a Pakistani background or born in Pakistan will face such behavior, regardless if they ignore their skin colour, believe they are English as WG Grace and support Zionist terrorism on forums.

Big deal. Try getting into India.

There is one single democracy in the entire Middle East. With an Arab party in its coalition government. And it’s Israel.

 

[Junaids]

Liberals are confused like never before.

They cheer on wars in Falklands, Iraq, Libya and support Israel but when asked why then arent Russians allowed self defence......their answer urmmm but Putin is evil..

By definition, liberal people are more opposed to war.

But you listed four places:

1. The Falklands voted by a margin of 99.8% against two (literally 2 votes) to stay British in 2013. And both the two voting no wanted joint sovereignty. Literally 0 people wanted to be forced to become Argentinian.

2. Saddam Hussein was an evil dictator who gassed his own people.

3. Muammar Gaddafi was an evil clown who sponsored terrorism.

4. Israel is the only democracy in the entire Middle East, and its Arab population lives a massively better life than any Arab people in Arab countries. (I’m talking Israel, where 20% of the citizens are Arabs, not the occupied territories which are mismanaged by evil Hamas and corrupt Fatah).

I’m no fan of Likud, but from now on I’m going to challenge anti-Semitic content on this forum.

 

[Manunited18]

By definition, liberal people are more opposed to war.

But you listed four places:

1. The Falklands voted by a margin of 99.8% against two (literally 2 votes) to stay British in 2013. And both the two voting no wanted joint sovereignty. Literally 0 people wanted to be forced to become Argentinian.

2. Saddam Hussein was an evil dictator who gassed his own people.

3. Muammar Gaddafi was an evil clown who sponsored terrorism.

4. Israel is the only democracy in the entire Middle East, and its Arab population lives a massively better life than any Arab people in Arab countries. (I’m talking Israel, where 20% of the citizens are Arabs, not the occupied territories which are mismanaged by evil Hamas and corrupt Fatah).

I’m no fan of Likud, but from now on I’m going to challenge anti-Semitic content on this forum.

Stopped reading your xxite when you said Israel is a democracy!

 

[Technics 1210]

Too may irrelevant stats here, no substance Some proper relentless MSM regurgitation going on.

Zionists fund wars.

Facts do not care about feelings.

 

[Technics 1210]

Liberals are confused like never before.

They cheer on wars in Falklands, Iraq, Libya and support Israel but when asked why then arent Russians allowed self defence......their answer urmmm but Putin is evil..

Putin has whipped EU into shape without firing a bullet on EU soil. He's reduced the EU into admitting Western sanctions were a mistake. He has the West absolutely bricking it knowing the NATO war machine will not dare attack Russia. His country is earning so much money that Russia has had to reduce rates.

What is the Liberal response? Oh Russia doesn't have McDonalds anymore.

Putin isn't evil, he's an absolute God send - teaching the warmongering West a lesson they long deserve.

 

[Technics 1210]

Soon, Trump, the blessed Messiah, will return, and watch him negotiate a peace deal with Putin. (Which the warmongering Liberals opposed during Trump's 1st tenure as President).

Until then, 2 odd years of turmoil in Europe, by then the lanterns will have frozen in the EU.

 

[Technics 1210]

Interestingly, Centrica and Shell have announced historical record profit quarters thanks to high Oil prices. Share holders, pension holders, dividend hunters and coining it.

The kicker? Centrica has begged the state to help customers (why not reduce energy prices Centrica?), And Shell will buy back shares at the tune of £6 BILLION.

All hail Putin!

 

[mazkhan]

Apparently the Russian soldiers who castrated the Ukrainian prisoner were members of Rusich, which is a Russian Neo-Nazi gang.

So much for liberating Ukraine from Fascists. Russia is now sending Nazis to castrate Ukrainians!

No they weren't the castrator was a mongol soldier wearing a bipin rawat type hat.

Besides ukraine has been castrating russian pows their own chief medical officer said wounded russian soldiers should be castrated he's on record on TV saying it justifying by calling russians cockroaches.

 

[Technics 1210]

German Economy Minister Robert Habeck was drowned out by protesters in Bayreuth on Thursday as he urged Germans to accept the rising cost of energy as the price of standing against Russia. Meanwhile, gas prices are set to soar even further thanks to a new government surcharge.

A chorus of jeers and whistles rang out as Habeck took to the stage during a citizens’ forum in the Bavarian town. Holding signs reading “warmonger,” they chanted “get lost” as Habeck attempted to defend his government’s anti-Russia policies in the face of a floundering economy.

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LOL. So it begins! Germans calling their politicians warmonger! Putin has now achieved next level pwnage. He has EU citizens rebelling their politicians.

Grand Master Putin at work!

 

[Technics 1210]

This notion that Democracy is the best model of government is at worst a hoax, and at best a myth.

Democracy is the West is a sham, choice between 2 leaders, and years and years of bickering with no progress. This is why UK and USA (examples) have steadily declined socially, politically, and economically. Oh, liberals then try to overturn democratic results they don't like.

UAE, China, Russia, no democracy but my word, economically these countries are flying high.

 

[Junaids]

This notion that Democracy is the best model of government is at worst a hoax, and at best a myth.

Democracy is the West is a sham, choice between 2 leaders, and years and years of bickering with no progress. This is why UK and USA (examples) have steadily declined socially, politically, and economically. Oh, liberals then try to overturn democratic results they don't like.

UAE, China, Russia, no democracy but my word, economically these countries are flying high.

Really?

Russia has the same GDP as Australia. But half of it is stolen by Putin and his stooges, leaving 140 million Russians sharing half as much money as 25 million Aussies. They are around ten times poorer than we are.

Flying high? There are 10 iPhones in my household plus 7 laptops and 6 iPads. Most Russian households are lucky to have a microwave!

 

[Technics 1210]

Moscow has confirmed a phone conversation took place between the two top diplomats

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov spoke to US Secretary of State Antony Blinken at Washington’s request by phone on Friday, the ministry has confirmed.

It was the first conversation between Moscow and Washington’s top diplomats since Russia launched its military offensive in Ukraine in February.

Aside from the conflict, they discussed the Ukrainian grain export deal, signed in Turkey last week, and a potential prisoner exchange between the two nations, the ministry reported.

Earlier on Friday, Blinken told a news briefing that he had “a frank and direct conversation” with the Russian minister and “pressed the Kremlin to accept the substantial proposal that we put forth on the release of Paul Whelan and Brittney Griner.”

Basketball star Brittney Griner and former US Marine Paul Whelan are currently both in Russian custody. Griner was arrested on drug smuggling charges, and Whelan was jailed for espionage.

CNN reported earlier they could be exchanged for Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout, who was sentenced to 25 years' imprisonment by a Manhattan federal court in 2012 on charges of providing aid to a US-designated terrorist organization and conspiring to kill US nationals.

Moscow has not confirmed receiving any specific proposals on the matter from the US and instead said Lavrov urged the US to “return to professional dialogue in the form of ‘quiet diplomacy’ without any speculations.” The US State Department did not reveal any details about its “substantial proposal” and hasn't mentioned Bout by name so far.

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Well well, seems like Amreeka and Russia had a diplomatic call, and Amreeka was only interest in a prisoner swap deal; that too including a USA female basketball player.

I feel so sorry for the peasants of EU and European NATO members who think Amreeka cares about them, they do not, Amreeka only cares about prolonging the proxy war for profit and weakening Europe - Amreeka will start caring once they receive orders from AIPAC.

 

[Technics 1210]

Really?

Russia has the same GDP as Australia. But half of it is stolen by Putin and his stooges, leaving 140 million Russians sharing half as much money as 25 million Aussies. They are around ten times poorer than we are.

Flying high? There are 10 iPhones in my household plus 7 laptops and 6 iPads. Most Russian households are lucky to have a microwave!

10 iPhones, 7 Laptops and 6 iPads! LOL, most likely on credit.

What a way Liberals measure an economy - “I got more phones, laptops and Ipads compared to you!”

Unreal, to the point unhinged.

 

[Junaids]

Agree.

However Israel has a big hand in this conflict.

Russia realised a decade ago ,the Zionists are its enemy. Since the liberation of the newly formed territories, Russian and Israeli 'ties' have deteriorated quickly.

Russians now want these Israeli run Jewish agencies out of their country, as they also used to spy.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/07/25/israel-russia-jewish-agency-suspension-ukraine/

The temple cant be built until Orthodox Russia is no longer a power. The plan anyway....

Actually, so many Russian Jews moved from Belarus and Russia to Israel after 1989 that Israel, like Turkey, has tried not to side with the west over Ukraine. It’s all about domestic politics when the government has not got a parliamentary majority.

At the outset, the Americans hoped that Israel and Turkey would be key arms exporters to Ukraine, which hasn’t eventuated at all.

The reality is that most of us in Europe see the Ukrainians as our cousins who have been invaded by raping, looting murderers.

There are lots of self-centred “I’m alright Jack” Europeans who just want cheap fuel. But most of us just want to help our Ukrainian cousins to get rid of the raping Russian savages.

 

[Junaids]

Stopped reading your xxite when you said Israel is a democracy!

Of course you did, because you never like being challenged by actual FACTS.

 

[Junaids]

Soon, Trump, the blessed Messiah, will return, and watch him negotiate a peace deal with Putin. (Which the warmongering Liberals opposed during Trump's 1st tenure as President).

Until then, 2 odd years of turmoil in Europe, by then the lanterns will have frozen in the EU.

Fox News has abandoned Trump. He’s finished.

The Republican candidate will clearly be Ron DeSantis, you know, the pro-Israel guy.

 

[Technics 1210]

If liberals in Europe consider Ukrainian cousins (including those who live in Australia), then do the right thing and take Ukrainians in your home as refugees, I bet liberals chiming in this thread would not, have not, never will.

Russia is not the threat to Europe, Liberalism is.

 

[Technics 1210]

Fox News has abandoned Trump. He’s finished.

The Republican candidate will clearly be Ron DeSantis, you know, the pro-Israel guy.

And? Did you see Trump’s latest rally, oops rock concert? He doesn’t need Fox news.

Every President candidate has to appease AIPAC, such is the power of the warmongering Zionists.

 

[Junaids]

Soon, Trump, the blessed Messiah, will return, and watch him negotiate a peace deal with Putin. (Which the warmongering Liberals opposed during Trump's 1st tenure as President).

Until then, 2 odd years of turmoil in Europe, by then the lanterns will have frozen in the EU.

And? Did you see Trump’s latest rally, oops rock concert? He doesn’t need Fox news.

Every President candidate has to appease AIPAC, such is the power of the warmongering Zionists.

Well I guess you’re probably not going to enjoy Ron DeSantis becoming the next President then. Given that he is the most rabidly pro-Israel politician in the USA!

https://www.jns.org/in-israel-flori...he-sunshine-state-most-pro-israel-in-america/

 

[Technics 1210]

Well I guess you’re probably not going to enjoy Ron DeSantis becoming the next President then….

https://www.jns.org/in-israel-flori...he-sunshine-state-most-pro-israel-in-america/

Again, you are posting irrelevant drivel.

You might own 10 iPhones, 7 Laptops, and 6 iPads, but you sure do not own your thoughts, Zionist controlled MSM do.

 

[Junaids]

And? Did you see Trump’s latest rally, oops rock concert? He doesn’t need Fox news.

Every President candidate has to appease AIPAC, such is the power of the warmongering Zionists.

Trump got 2 million votes less than Hillary Clinton and 7 million less than Joe Biden.

Now that the Murdoch media empire has deserted him, every Democrat supporter on the planet wants Trump to be the nominee. Now that his treason and cowardice have been viewed in the hearings, Donald Trump’s chances of winning over floating voters are slightly smaller than Donald Duck’s.

Putin’s key puppet in the USA is finished.

 

[Junaids]

If liberals in Europe consider Ukrainian cousins (including those who live in Australia), then do the right thing and take Ukrainians in your home as refugees, I bet liberals chiming in this thread would not, have not, never will.

Russia is not the threat to Europe, Liberalism is.

And yet the total amount of support that the Palestinians get from the Muslim world is basically Absolute Zero, while 7 million Israeli Jews receive vastly more support from the other 8 million Jews in the world.

The only people on the entire planet who have lifted a finger for the Palestinians are the Chileans, who have basically taken in half a million. But that has caused huge damage to the Palestinian cause, as the Christian 40% have left and now only the less educated Muslim 60% is left.

Have a think about what you post, because on Zionism and Liberalism and now refugees your opinions are so ill-informed and founded in bigotry and far-right extremist dogma that they are hilariously easy to demolish.

 

[Robert]

By definition, liberal people are more opposed to war.

But you listed four places:

1. The Falklands voted by a margin of 99.8% against two (literally 2 votes) to stay British in 2013. And both the two voting no wanted joint sovereignty. Literally 0 people wanted to be forced to become Argentinian.

2. Saddam Hussein was an evil dictator who gassed his own people.

3. Muammar Gaddafi was an evil clown who sponsored terrorism.

4. Israel is the only democracy in the entire Middle East, and its Arab population lives a massively better life than any Arab people in Arab countries. (I’m talking Israel, where 20% of the citizens are Arabs, not the occupied territories which are mismanaged by evil Hamas and corrupt Fatah).

I’m no fan of Likud, but from now on I’m going to challenge anti-Semitic content on this forum.

I’m a liberal and not remotely confused.

Putin launched a war of aggression against Ukraine. He is a despot, acting like a Tsar. I am four-square behind Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian defenders against Putin’s unjustifiable invasion.

The Falklands War was fought to liberate a population of Britons from invasion by a military junta. The sad thing was that without that invasion, UK and Argentina would have negotiated shared sovereignty by now.

Invading Iraq was the wrong thing to do. My Party voted against it as a bloc, all sixty MPs. Saddam was arguably a stabilising force in the ME, a Sunni surrounded by Shia leaders who did not allow Al-Qaeda to operate in his land. I would have continued the Clinton Doctrine - food for oil when he cooperated, cruise missile strikes on military installations when he didn’t. His removal brought about a humanitarian catastrophe - nearly a million excess deaths mainly from collapse of water supplies, rule of law and health care, and allowing ISIL to bed down in Iraq and Syria.

Gaddafi was back in the international fold, cooperating with Europe and USA. He brutally suppressed the Arab Spring when that uprising came to Libya. The UN ruled that he should not be able to use his Air Force and NATO / Arab League enforced the UN Resolution. That led to his fall and another power vacuum filled by religious psychopaths. He was the lesser of two evils.

Israel is a stable and prosperous democracy as [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] says allowing Arab people within its borders to flourish. However Israel’s continued incursions into the West Bank and Gaza Strip are reprehensible. They should pull back to their 1967 border and allow a two-state solution. However the American Bible Belt pastors support them for eschatological reasons, and no Bible Belt state Congressman or Senator can get re-elected if they speak out for tge Palestinians. So every UN Resolution to curtail their expansionism is vetoed by the USA. Again, I am proud that my Party has a half-Palestinian MP - Layla Moran - who has spoken up for her ancestral people.

 

[Junaids]

Soon, Trump, the blessed Messiah, will return, and watch him negotiate a peace deal with Putin.

Until then, 2 odd years of turmoil in Europe, by then the lanterns will have frozen in the EU.

The earliest that a Republican President can be inaugurated is January 2025.

If the Russia v Ukraine conflict is still going on by then, the Russians will be using leftover World War 2 weapons and wearing flip-flops.

In three months the Russians have lost 50% of their soldiers and weapons. Their successor to McDonalds can’t even find potatoes to make French Fries. They are begging Iran to sell them weapons.

Russia already is basically a Fourth Division conventional power which still has lots of badly-maintained nukes.

If this war is still going on in 2025, Russia will be begging Turkmenistan for money and weapons.

 

[Robert]

Trump got 2 million votes less than Hillary Clinton and 7 million less than Joe Biden.

Now that the Murdoch media empire has deserted him, every Democrat supporter on the planet wants Trump to be the nominee. Now that his treason and cowardice have been viewed in the hearings, Donald Trump’s chances of winning over floating voters are slightly smaller than Donald Duck’s.

Putin’s key puppet in the USA is finished.

Yeah, Trump has no Twitter and has lost Murdoch due to the insurrection. I expect the Digger will support Ron DeSantis next.

60% of Democrat voters think Uncle Joe is doing a bad job so rather than lose by a landslide to DeSantis, perhaps it is time for him to start grooming Buttgieg for ‘24.

 

[Junaids]

I’m a liberal and not remotely confused.

Putin launched a war of aggression against Ukraine. He is a despot, acting like a Tsar. I am four-square behind Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian defenders against Putin’s unjustifiable invasion.

The Falklands War was fought to liberate a population of Britons from invasion by a military junta. The sad thing was that without that invasion, UK and Argentina would have negotiated shared sovereignty by now.

Invading Iraq was the wrong thing to do. My Party voted against it as a bloc, all sixty MPs. Saddam was arguably a stabilising force in the ME, a Sunni surrounded by Shia leaders who did not allow Al-Qaeda to operate in his land. I would have continued the Clinton Doctrine - food for oil when he cooperated, cruise missile strikes on military installations when he didn’t. His removal brought about a humanitarian catastrophe - nearly a million excess deaths mainly from collapse of water supplies, rule of law and health care, and allowing ISIL to bed down in Iraq and Syria.

Gaddafi was back in the international fold, cooperating with Europe and USA. He brutally suppressed the Arab Spring when that uprising came to Libya. The UN ruled that he should not be able to use his Air Force and NATO / Arab League enforced the UN Resolution. That led to his fall and another power vacuum filled by religious psychopaths. He was the lesser of two evils.

Israel is a stable and prosperous democracy as [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] says allowing Arab people within its borders to flourish. However Israel’s continued incursions into the West Bank and Gaza Strip are reprehensible. They should pull back to their 1967 border and allow a two-state solution. However the American Bible Belt pastors support them for eschatological reasons, and no Bible Belt state Congressman or Senator can get re-elected if they speak out for tge Palestinians. So every UN Resolution to curtail their expansionism is vetoed by the USA. Again, I am proud that my Party has a half-Palestinian MP - Layla Moran - who has spoken up for her ancestral people.

I agree with every word.

In the UK I am a wet Conservative and in Australia I am a Liberal. I’m considered to be on the right-hand side of the spectrum yet to the far-right militants in this forum I’m a member of the loony left.

Ironically a similar thing is happening in Donbas to in the Palestinian territories

Donbas has already lost the 60-70% of its population which is ethnically Russian but supports Ukraine. Only pro-Russians remain.

In 1948 the Palestinian population was 40% Christian and 60% Muslim. That’s why they were more sophisticated and educated than any other Arab nationality. But Hamas nuttiness and Fatah corruption has led almost the entire Christian population to emigrate, taking away a disproportionate share of the skills and wealth of the Palestinian population.

Any fake referendum in Donbas will exclude the majority of the Donbas population, who are currently refugees in Lviv and Kyiv. While Palestinian politics is currently skewed by the emigration of almost the entire Christian population.

 

[Robert]

The earliest that a Republican President can be inaugurated is January 2025.

If the Russia v Ukraine conflict is still going on by then, the Russians will be using leftover World War 2 weapons and wearing flip-flops.

In three months the Russians have lost 50% of their soldiers and weapons. Their successor to McDonalds can’t even find potatoes to make French Fries. They are begging Iran to sell them weapons.

Russia already is basically a Fourth Division conventional power which still has lots of badly-maintained nukes.

If this war is still going on in 2025, Russia will be begging Turkmenistan for money and weapons.

Putin is keeping the cash flowing though. I don’t think he can take Ukraine without flattening it with hyperbaric weapons or tac-nukes. Currently he is stuck in a quagmire and will have to draw a line on the map somewhere. But Ukraine will push back on that line. There will be a settlement eventually but it will be after Putin.

I wonder what a DeSantis Presidency will be like. He share’s Trump’s reactionary instincts and willingness to fight the culture war but is a lot more intellectually curious and shrewd politically.

Has he been compromised by Putin as Trump is? Maybe he’s too smart. But he shares the isolationist instinct. Which would make Putin much more free to predate on neighbour states. Without US support, NATO is a paper tiger. Suddenly a Euro Army looks much more important in Europe.

 

[bones]

Putin is crushing Europe with the economic war.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/29/putin-ruble-west-sanctions-russia-europe

 

[Technics 1210]

Russian gas giant Gazprom said on Saturday that it has stopped deliveries to Latvia due to “violations of the terms of gas extraction.”

 

[bones]

Putin is keeping the cash flowing though. I don’t think he can take Ukraine without flattening it with hyperbaric weapons or tac-nukes. Currently he is stuck in a quagmire and will have to draw a line on the map somewhere. But Ukraine will push back on that line. There will be a settlement eventually but it will be after Putin.

There is no quagmire, you fail to understand the tactics and how well fortified these positions are.

How will Ukraine push back? They have far less well trained men and far less offensive weapons than they started off with.

 

[Junaids]

Putin is keeping the cash flowing though. I don’t think he can take Ukraine without flattening it with hyperbaric weapons or tac-nukes. Currently he is stuck in a quagmire and will have to draw a line on the map somewhere. But Ukraine will push back on that line. There will be a settlement eventually but it will be after Putin.

I wonder what a DeSantis Presidency will be like. He share’s Trump’s reactionary instincts and willingness to fight the culture war but is a lot more intellectually curious and shrewd politically.

Has he been compromised by Putin as Trump is? Maybe he’s too smart. But he shares the isolationist instinct. Which would make Putin much more free to predate on neighbour states. Without US support, NATO is a paper tiger. Suddenly a Euro Army looks much more important in Europe.

DeSantis is scarier than Trump. Trump was an opportunist but had no principles and was intellectually subnormal, so there was never any danger of him doing anything.

DeSantis is extremely intelligent, fights the bogus culture wars that Trump voters want, but is also ruthless and appoints smart people around him, whereas Trump appointed sycophants. And unlike Trump, there is no reason to think that Russia is blackmailing him. (Trying viewing Epstein/Maxwell through that lens and it will all make sense).

I suspect that DeSantis would actually have a traditional Republican foreign policy, aggressively anti-Russian and anti-Chinese. I think he would sell Ukraine advanced jets and missiles, but without any of Biden’s pre-conditions about not striking Russia proper.

From a traditional Republican foreign policy perspective (ie Cheney/Rumsfeld/ Bush senior), the Ukraine war is a perfect opportunity to arm a proxy to decimate Russia’s military strength and to drive Putin into exile. But also to send China a clear message by doing so.

I don’t like DeSantis - I like McCain-style Republicans. But I think he must terrify Russia and China, but probably also the Palestinians.

 

[Technics 1210]

Love it! Liberals in a tailspin. They are absolutely bricking the potential return of the Messiah - Trump - so much so they are now supporting a Republican over the the worst ever US President (Biden) who is a democrat.

Yes we should pay heed to Liberals, they have a strong record of predictions, not.

Confused liberals indeed, they don't stand for anything other than the commanded and brainwashed views of MSM. Though the silver lining is that Liberal publications (Guardian) have now conceded what some PP users have been saying for month - sanctions have failed, and this is an economic war.

Beautiful.

 

[Junaids]

Love it! Liberals in a tailspin. They are absolutely bricking the potential return of the Messiah - Trump - so much so they are now supporting a Republican over the the worst ever US President (Biden) who is a democrat.

Yes we should pay heed to Liberals, they have a strong record of predictions, not.

Confused liberals indeed, they don't stand for anything other than the commanded and brainwashed views of MSM. Though the silver lining is that Liberal publications (Guardian) have now conceded what some PP users have been saying for month - sanctions have failed, and this is an economic war.

Beautiful.

As usual, totally misunderstanding western politics.

Liberal in the UK means centrist, with socialists on the left and conservatives (like me) on the right. [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] is a Liberal and I’m a Conservative, and we share 99% of our foreign policy beliefs (as does the right and centre of the Labour Party).

The Guardian is the left wing of the Labour Party’s equivalent of what the Israelis call a Self-Hating Jew. It reflexively sides with France or Germany against the UK, and this article is a softening-up exercise for dropping sanctions against Russia to keep mainland European fuel prices down.

 

[Technics 1210]

As usual, totally misunderstanding western politics.

Says the guy who doesn't understand the influence and control of Zionism in Western politics.

Litmus test for Liberals - would you want to see Biden rerun for President in 2024? It's a Yes/No question.

 

[Technics 1210]

Putin is winning the war, Liberals are slowly, but surely, facing reality.

And to think NATO was going to come and save the day like some superhero. )

 

[Manunited18]

Putin is winning the war, Liberals are slowly, but surely, facing reality.

And to think NATO was going to come and save the day like some superhero. )

Let's be conclusive. Zionism is the axes of all evils, let the nay sayers with a tongue in cheek or complete ignorance deny it.

 

[Junaids]

Says the guy who doesn't understand the influence and control of Zionism in Western politics.

Litmus test for Liberals - would you want to see Biden rerun for President in 2024? It's a Yes/No question.

I’ve already told you, I want a McCain Republican President.

I’m not interested in isolationism or Pro-Life nonsense. I want someone who runs an open and competitive economy but who stands up for democratic values around the world.

So why would I care about the Democratic candidate? My preference is for someone like Mitt Romney or Ben Sasse.

 

[bones]

I’ve already told you, I want a McCain Republican President.

I’m not interested in isolationism or Pro-Life nonsense. I want someone who runs an open and competitive economy but who stands up for democratic values around the world.

So why would I care about the Democratic candidate? My preference is for someone like Mitt Romney or Ben Sasse.

Just goes to show how desperate the situation is when these are some of the candidates to lead America.

 

[Robert]

There is no quagmire, you fail to understand the tactics and how well fortified these positions are.

How will Ukraine push back? They have far less well trained men and far less offensive weapons than they started off with.

It’s a quagmire because Putin cannot go forward. The tactics are clearly ineffective.

Ukraine seems to be pushing back on Mariupol. They aren’t going to give up, ever.

 

[Technics 1210]

I’ve already told you, I want a McCain Republican President.

I’m not interested in isolationism or Pro-Life nonsense. I want someone who runs an open and competitive economy but who stands up for democratic values around the world.

So why would I care about the Democratic candidate? My preference is for someone like Mitt Romney or Ben Sasse.

You want a McCain Republican type President? A blatant openly confessed warmonger? Are you sure you are even a Liberal mate?

You would only care about a Democratic candidate when Trump, a Republican, was in power. MSM brainwashing in effect.

As it has been said, Liberals are the most confused people of the lot, they do not know what they stand for which is why they are inconsistent/hypocritical in their views.

On a serious note, will you be changing your profile pic to show solidarity towards your ‘cousins’ in Ukraine?

 

[Technics 1210]

Let's be conclusive. Zionism is the axes of all evils, let the nay sayers with a tongue in cheek or complete ignorance deny it.

Yup, 100%. Zionists were responsible for WW1, WW2, Wars in the ME, Muslim Genocide in Bosnia, and now Ukraine. Their motto is to win by deception, and my word they are doing so.

Zionists have engaged Europe in a proxy was vs. Russia, funding the war, which is hurting Europe above all else (they pulled the same tactics in WW1/2), meanwhile AIPAC have instructed Amreeka to negotiate the release of an Amreekan basketball player caught with Marajuana in Russia via a prisoner swap deal.

Talk about priorities, one would think the West negotiating peace with Russia would be on the top of the priority list, but know, lets swap prisoners.

 

[Junaids]

You want a McCain Republican type President? A blatant openly confessed warmonger? Are you sure you are even a Liberal mate?

You would only care about a Democratic candidate when Trump, a Republican, was in power. MSM brainwashing in effect.

As it has been said, Liberals are the most confused people of the lot, they do not know what they stand for which is why they are inconsistent/hypocritical in their views.

On a serious note, will you be changing your profile pic to show solidarity towards your ‘cousins’ in Ukraine?

You have no idea!

I feel shame and guilt about Syria and Afghanistan. I feel shame and guilt about America pulling out - not about going in.

It’s a strange sort of responsibility when you are the world’s greatest power, and the inferior but opposing military powers are undemocratic and nakedly aggressive.

As a Briton, I feel bad that we don’t intervene in Myanmar or Zimbabwe. And I feel very good that we are so close to the USA rather than the competing evil empires.

In the Ukraine I would call Putin’s bluff. His only leverage is nukes - but we have them too, and if he uses them he is a dead man. I would be happy to sell Ukraine any sort of non-nuclear weapon. If Russia bombs Kyiv I would be perfectly happy for Ukraine to launch missiles at Moscow.

 

[Technics 1210]

You have no idea!

I feel shame and guilt about Syria and Afghanistan. I feel shame and guilt about America pulling out - not about going in.

It’s a strange sort of responsibility when you are the world’s greatest power, and the inferior but opposing military powers are undemocratic and nakedly aggressive.

As a Briton, I feel bad that we don’t intervene in Myanmar or Zimbabwe. And I feel very good that we are so close to the USA rather than the competing evil empires.

In the Ukraine I would call Putin’s bluff. His only leverage is nukes - but we have them too, and if he uses them he is a dead man. I would be happy to sell Ukraine any sort of non-nuclear weapon. If Russia bombs Kyiv I would be perfectly happy for Ukraine to launch missiles at Moscow.

The nukes UK have are from USA, and USA authorise the use of the nukes - welcome to Trident program. The reduction in military and defence spending in the UK (and Europe), is purely down to the reliance on NATO, or better put, Amreeka will come help save the day when Europe is under attack, and Europe pays an annual subscription for this service at a tune of 2% GDP.

Alas! Amreekan foreign policy is dictated, and funded, by Zionists (via AIPAC), who have pulled a blinder. On one hand they have convinced Europe to reduce spending on military/defence through a false promise, and on the other hand, have weakened Europe in terms of military thus increasing the reliance on Amreeka. The result is what you see now, a helpless Europe now at the mercy of Russia, with Amreeka negotiating a prisoner swap instead of peace.

Syria and Afghanistan wars were nothing to do with liberation, but more to do with regime change (classic Amreekan tactic), which only benefits Isreal as its neighbours are weakened and economically destroyed. The sad part is the Western liberals have lapped up the MSM propaganda - liberation, democracy, and change! The irony being Liberalism is all about freedom and choice, yet Western Liberal Democracies are enforcing their values on others.

Amreeka has no responsibility to the world. Not a single country in the ME, or around the world, that has been at the receiving end of Western bombings, laid a finger on Western soil. The West does not control the world, time to get off this high horse that is nothing but a racist and fascist endeavour underpinned by the Judeo-Christian alliance. (Yup, Zimbabwe was not liberated from a brutal dictator because you guessed it, Zimbabwe is a Christian country).

 

[bones]

It’s a quagmire because Putin cannot go forward. The tactics are clearly ineffective.

Ukraine seems to be pushing back on Mariupol. They aren’t going to give up, ever.

You really need to stop watch MSM and start listening to reliable military experts. They go into great detail about the fortifications that Ukranians have been and why the Russians are using artillery and missiles to soften them up before they advance. Once these fortifications are broken then the Russian infantry advances are rapid like what happened in Popasnaya, like what happened in Severodonest and like what happened in Zolote.

Right now the Russians are softening up the fortifications around Bakhmut and also Avdiivka. Once broken the advances will be rapid. But none of the MSM will cover this, instead they will feed gullible people like you news about a Kherson offensive that will never happen. We've been hearing about this Kherson offensive since April but hardly any coverage to what is happening elsewhere.

 

[Robert]

As usual, totally misunderstanding western politics.

Liberal in the UK means centrist, with socialists on the left and conservatives (like me) on the right. [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] is a Liberal and I’m a Conservative, and we share 99% of our foreign policy beliefs (as does the right and centre of the Labour Party).

The Guardian is the left wing of the Labour Party’s equivalent of what the Israelis call a Self-Hating Jew. It reflexively sides with France or Germany against the UK, and this article is a softening-up exercise for dropping sanctions against Russia to keep mainland European fuel prices down.

Ah, well Liberalism isn’t exactly centrist. It’s about devolution to the Nth degree, and freeing up as many people as possible while upholding the Harm Principle. Also about Toleration, while observing Popper’s Paradox.

I would renationalise the railways and the water companies, borrowing from socialism because at present the privatised services transfer public money into a very few private hands, giving those hands disproportionate power which is illiberal.

In some ways I’m a Jenkinsite social democrat flying under the liberal banner. But liberalism is a philosophy as well as a political tradition.

 

[Technics 1210]

Russia will enhance it boots on the ground tactics towards winter when Europe will be picking up soap and burning trees just to keep warm.

 

[Robert]

You really need to stop watch MSM and start listening to reliable military experts. They go into great detail about the fortifications that Ukranians have been and why the Russians are using artillery and missiles to soften them up before they advance. Once these fortifications are broken then the Russian infantry advances are rapid like what happened in Popasnaya, like what happened in Severodonest and like what happened in Zolote.

Right now the Russians are softening up the fortifications around Bakhmut and also Avdiivka. Once broken the advances will be rapid. But none of the MSM will cover this, instead they will feed gullible people like you news about a Kherson offensive that will never happen. We've been hearing about this Kherson offensive since April but hardly any coverage to what is happening elsewhere.

You would be more pleasant to communicate with if you would drop that patronising tone, as well as the arrogant presumption of superior knowledge.

I have a lot of people on Ignore now, but still feel inclined to talk to you because you make considered posts.

 

[Robert]

I’ve already told you, I want a McCain Republican President.

I’m not interested in isolationism or Pro-Life nonsense. I want someone who runs an open and competitive economy but who stands up for democratic values around the world.

So why would I care about the Democratic candidate? My preference is for someone like Mitt Romney or Ben Sasse.

McCain would have been good, wish he had got the GOP nomination instead of Bush 43. I doubt there would have been an Iraq War.

But the GOP is hollowed out by crazies now. Romney might be the best bet for a moderate Republican.

 

[Technics 1210]

Europe's reliance on NATO is just where AIPAC want Europe to be. We all witnessed how European politicians GROVELLED at the feet of Trump when he merely suggested Amreeka would pull out of NATO if Europe didn't cough up.

This is the ultimate demonstration of power, and European desperation. Europe begging the man (Trump) they despised, for survivial.

NATO apologists, time to phone a friend.

 

[Abel Reames]

Funnily enough most Zionist, at least outside of Israel support Putin. We have the Christian right in America, our own Tommy Robinson, right wing leaders of Europe like Orban of Hungary.

I get it the duplicitious nature and hypocrisy of the West regarding invasion and regime change. But ask yourself where would you prefer to live in Russia or the West?

 

[cpleigh]

Reports coming in that Ukraine have attacked a detention centre in the far east of the country called Yelonovka which held their own prisioners, mostly the Azov Nazis.

I wonder what the play here is, are they afraid of intelligence being captured?

It's very clear what happened. No russians injured only azov prisoners. Photos of them emaciated.
Ukraine has proof that the rebels torched it to cover up their crimes.

 

[James]

I get it the duplicitious nature and hypocrisy of the West regarding invasion and regime change. But ask yourself where would you prefer to live in Russia or the West?

Pretty much where I stand on the issue.

I disagree with a lot of what the West does politically but I can’t help being born here & I think countries in the Anglosphere are the best places in the world to live.

 

[bones]

It's very clear what happened. No russians injured only azov prisoners. Photos of them emaciated.
Ukraine has proof that the rebels torched it to cover up their crimes.

Lol.

They could go in and shoot them all one by one and bury them in a grave in some field. Very quick and cheap. Why use such expensive missiles to do the job?

As with the lies about Bucha, Ukraine will get exposed.

 

[Technics 1210]

Pretty much where I stand on the issue.

I disagree with a lot of what the West does politically but I can’t help being born here & I think countries in the Anglosphere are the best places in the world to live.

Like you I was born and bred in London, but this isn't about West vs East, but rather how Western hypocritical values have not only been exposed, but have also failed the test of time. Just look at the UK and USA alone - socially, politically, and economically - in rapid decline, and it's not ever 100 years post WW2.

The quality of life in the West is down in the dumps, and it really depends what you as an individual value. And before anyone says 'freedom', our voices are suppressed (criticism of Isreal is an example), our democratic values are a joke (liberals hell bent on overturning results), our capitalist economy is coming home to roost (millions are drowning in debt), and Western foreign policies have an effect on UK citizens (retaliatory terrorist attacks), and lets not forget how MSM control and hypnotise the masses. We do not have privacy anymore. Every message, call, post, is recorded.

Free thought is dead in the UK. Critical thinking is dead in the UK. Encouraging new ideas is dead in the UK.

The rich do not live in the UK, expats are settling in places like UAE. Western values promised a better quality of life when in reality it is has been the opposite, and I have witnessed the demise of what was once a great nation in past 50 years.

I blame Liberalism. The most destructive ideology to have ever graced mankind.

 

[cpleigh]

Lol.

They could go in and shoot them all one by one and bury them in a grave in some field. Very quick and cheap. Why use such expensive missiles to do the job?

As with the lies about Bucha, Ukraine will get exposed.

Because they want to world to think Ukraine did it.
They won't. I mean you might, but the world won't. Expensive missile? Is that the damage a missile does??? Leaves beds still standing?

It's an arson attack. Highly likely done by the Wagner group

 

[Technics 1210]

Correct, Zionists want the world to think Ukraine did it. Who controls the MSM message again?

 

[Robert]

Funnily enough most Zionist, at least outside of Israel support Putin. We have the Christian right in America, our own Tommy Robinson, right wing leaders of Europe like Orban of Hungary.

I get it the duplicitious nature and hypocrisy of the West regarding invasion and regime change. But ask yourself where would you prefer to live in Russia or the West?

Fascists admire strength. They ally with bullies - they like a big fierce dog to be in the same pack as. They see the Israeli premier as strong. They see Putin and Trump as strong. They see democrats as weak because their liberal structures and laws restrict the strong from imposing domination.

 

[Robert]

Pretty much where I stand on the issue.

I disagree with a lot of what the West does politically but I can’t help being born here & I think countries in the Anglosphere are the best places in the world to live.

Scandinavia for me. Or Germany. Or Spain. Or Ireland. Or Denmark.

 

[bones]

https://youtu.be/dMb4trf4iFc

Fantastic podcast mainly addressing the economic suicide of the collective west.

 

[James]

Scandinavia for me. Or Germany. Or Spain. Or Ireland. Or Denmark.

Will you be moving?

 

[MenInG]

Ukraine has labelled Russia a "terrorist state" after Moscow's UK embassy tweeted that Ukrainian Azov battalion soldiers deserved a "humiliating death" by hanging.

The embassy tweet came after more than 50 Ukrainian prisoners of war (POWs) held by Russia were killed - Azov soldiers reportedly among them.

They died in an attack on Olenivka prison in Russian-held eastern Ukraine.

Ukraine and Russia blame each other for the attack that killed the prisoners.

Twitter did not remove the tweet from the Russian Embassy in the UK, but said it broke Twitter anti-hate rules.

Besides the Ukrainian government, many other Twitter users voiced outrage at the tweet. Twitter said it may be in the public interest to keep the post accessible.

The Olenivka prison camp is controlled by the Russian-backed self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DNR).

What happened there on Friday remains unclear. Unverified Russian video footage of the aftermath shows a tangle of wrecked bunk beds and badly charred bodies.

After the attack the Russian embassy in the UK tweeted that Azov "militants deserve execution, but death not by firing squad but by hanging, because they're not real soldiers. They deserve a humiliating death".

The tweet included a video clip showing a couple in a wrecked building, accusing Azov troops of having shelled their home. The embassy's call for execution repeats what the man in the video says.

Azov troops were captured in May after fiercely defending Azovstal, a giant steelworks in the southern city of Mariupol. Russia has long accused the battalion of being neo-Nazis and war criminals.

Andriy Yermak, Ukrainian presidential chief of staff, wrote on Telegram that "Russia is a terrorist country".

"In the 21st Century, only savages and terrorists can say at a diplomatic level that people deserve to be executed by hanging for nothing. The RF [Russia] is a state sponsor of terrorism. What more proof do you need?" he said.

Ukraine has called for the United Nations and Red Cross to be allowed to investigate the deaths at Olenivka. The Red Cross says it is seeking access to the prison to help with evacuating and treating the wounded.

Ukraine says the site was targeted by Russia in an effort to destroy evidence of torture and killing. President Volodymyr Zelensky described the incident as a "deliberate Russian war crime".

Ukraine's foreign ministry spokesman Oleg Nikolenko tweeted: "There is no difference between Russian diplomats calling for execution of Ukrainian prisoners of war and Russian troops doing it in Olenivka.

"They are all accomplices in these war crimes and must be held accountable."

DNR spokesman Daniil Bezsonov said the strike had killed 53 people and wounded 75. He called it a "direct hit on a barracks holding prisoners".

Russia's defence ministry said the strike had been carried out with US-made Himars artillery and it accused Ukraine of a "deliberately perpetrated" provocation. The ministry produced fragments of what it said were rockets fired by the Himars system.

BBC

 

[Robert]

Will you be moving?

Mrs Robert doesn’t want to up sticks again. Took six years to build a network of friends where we are now.

I love Tenerife. Could see myself retiring there, enjoying the warmth, watching the Sun set over the Atlantic.

 

[Abel Reames]

Just lojok at the UK and USA alone - socially, politically, and economically - in rapid decline, and it's not ever 100 years post WW2.

Can you name me any group/ideology that hasn't declined. Islamic Golden Age, Ottoman Empire, the Mughals for examples of decline. All.empires crumble. It is the nature of ideologies from time immemorial.

And before anyone says 'freedom', our voices are suppressed (criticism of Isreal is an example), our democratic values are a joke (liberals hell bent on overturning results), our capitalist economy is coming home to roost (millions are drowning in debt), and Western foreign policies have an effect on UK citizens (retaliatory terrorist attacks), and lets not forget how MSM control and hypnotise the masses. We do not have privacy anymore. Every message, call, post, is recorded.

No society is perfect but try criticising the governments in places like Russia and China and see how far you get. No results were overturned unlike the places you champion where either there are no elections and results have been overturned.

Free thought is dead in the UK. Critical thinking is dead in the UK. Encouraging new ideas is dead in the UK.

Try some free thought in Russia or China, try critical thinking in Saudi or Iran see how far you get.

The rich do not live in the UK, expats are settling in places like UAE. Western values promised a better quality of life when in reality it is has been the opposite, and I have witnessed the demise of what was once a great nation in past 50 years.

The rich can choose where to live but for your average person, your average Muslim for example the West is far better.

The thing you hate Liberalism gave you the liberties that you sit on and allow you to breathe comfortably. Race Relation Act(s), welfare safety net are the fruits of liberalism not conservatism. The fact that females can go to work, have a bank account not be raped in marriage are the results of liberalism.

I blame Liberalism. The most destructive ideology to have ever graced mankind.

Definition of liberalism 1. willingness to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own, openess to new ideas. 2. a political & social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy & fee enterprise.

Can you give a death count of this ideology? I want to compare and contrast with other ideologies.

 

[Abel Reames]

Fascists admire strength. They ally with bullies - they like a big fierce dog to be in the same pack as. They see the Israeli premier as strong. They see Putin and Trump as strong. They see democrats as weak because their liberal structures and laws restrict the strong from imposing domination.

Hi Robert, indeed it is like a gang mentality with overriding masculinity and patriarchy.