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Carpet bombing. They were showing restraints; they didn't go all-out.
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Carpet bombing. They were showing restraints; they didn't go all-out.
By targetting decision making centres and infrastructure like energy substations and water supply centres.
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Short of Nuking Ukraine how could they have ended this quickly ?
Yes Putin must have thought this was going to end quickly because like 2014 he thought his troops could just walk in and walk out as they pleased.
He didn’t envisage that Ukraine had 8 years to prepare, plan and train for a such a scenario.
Putin was always an insane ultra nationalistic thug but as he has become more isolated he has become more deluded in his ambitions.
That is what happens when you stay in power for decades, I guess he didn’t read much history books or if he did he didn’t care.
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Stop blaming Russia. NATO was in a position to ensure Russia would never have had to start this war!
Now Russia has achieved its economical goal, Russia is about to annex parts of Ukraine, and will now rely on its dad's army to create an illusion ensuring NATO and its members do not sleep easy for the next decade.
Now Russia has achieved its economical goal, Russia is about to annex parts of Ukraine, and will now rely on its dad's army to create an illusion ensuring NATO and its members do not sleep easy for the next decade.
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Meanwhile the GBP is hitting 35 year lows, while the Ruble is climbing.
You could not make this up.
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You have a very tenuous understanding of economics. Live your best life mate. INR is almost at 80 per 1 USD, does that suggest that Indian economy is tanking?
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Where do you turn to for news? Or do you just read tea leaves?
they don't have that capabilitie... which has been shown.
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What are you on about? India is not even in this conversation and not part of Europe. And I referred to the Ruble, not INR.
GBP - Great British Pound.
Run along, you have no understanding of anything!
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From Hindutva IT cells.
Russia has used everything it has except for nuclear weapons.
If Russia uses nukes it will be obliterated from the Earth inside an hour.
But Russia has used all its conventional weapons and now has barely any modern weapons left. And it has lost half its best combat troops - and exhausted the others - and is now making up the numbers by calling up untrained and barely-armed middle-aged drunks and prisoners.
There has been a subtle change in this thread. Until a fortnight ago the Russian trolls were claiming that Russia was winning.
Now they are saying “we would have won if we weren’t trying to conserve human life”.
Every Putin masterstroke backfires. Currently the US continues to require Ukraine not to use weapons it supplies in Russia Proper.
But if Putin comes out claiming to annex Donbas and Kherson, that distinction will be impossible to maintain.
If Russia loses Lyman, then they will lose the whole of Luhansk. They are in danger of being completely driven out of Donbas.
But if Putin claims the occupied territories as Russian soil it changes the final endgame. We may well see the Ukrainian Army released by the USA from the prohibition on fighting in Russia.
At which point the quickest way to liberate Crimea would be to drive in down the motorway from the Russian cities of Krasnodar and Rostov-on-Don.
Putin has no good choices left. Now all he has is bad choices which risk more losses and more humiliation.
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What has India's economy got to do with this thread? In any case, India itself has refused to disengage relations with Russia, might explain why their economy hasn't been hit like European nations following Russian counter attack to western financial war games.
Reports in the last half-hour of a major Russian collapse at Lyman, 150 km northwest of Luhansk.
We knew yesterday that the Ukrainians had attacked north and east of the city, encircling it.
Putin personally refused to approve a withdrawal, and sent reinforcements to reinforce the railway junction and relieve the encirclement.
But it turned out that the first encirclement was a trap, and that the Russian reinforcements were quickly encircled by a much larger Ukrainian force in reserve.
And the latest reports are that the entire Russian defensive line has now collapsed at Lyman.
We knew yesterday that the Ukrainians had attacked north and east of the city, encircling it.
Putin personally refused to approve a withdrawal, and sent reinforcements to reinforce the railway junction and relieve the encirclement.
But it turned out that the first encirclement was a trap, and that the Russian reinforcements were quickly encircled by a much larger Ukrainian force in reserve.
And the latest reports are that the entire Russian defensive line has now collapsed at Lyman.
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Ukraine and Nazi supporters are living in some alternative world.
https://www.telesurenglish.net/news...Zaporozhye-Referenda-Valid-20220925-0015.html
Ukrainians take control over 2000sqkm when Russia withdrew.
Now Russian Federation will take control of over 100,000sqkm, when the vote of the people decide to be part of the Russian federation.
Its all over for the Ukranians, British and Yanks Proxy war.
Putin has not only took the black sea region but also has put the western economies on the verge of collapse. He will go down with the likes of great leaders in history ,while American leader Biden should be in a nursing home.
https://www.telesurenglish.net/news...Zaporozhye-Referenda-Valid-20220925-0015.html
Ukrainians take control over 2000sqkm when Russia withdrew.
Now Russian Federation will take control of over 100,000sqkm, when the vote of the people decide to be part of the Russian federation.
Its all over for the Ukranians, British and Yanks Proxy war.
Putin has not only took the black sea region but also has put the western economies on the verge of collapse. He will go down with the likes of great leaders in history ,while American leader Biden should be in a nursing home.
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Ukranians can only take control of areas Russia allows them. These are minor, irrelevent gains now the key territories will belong to the Russian federation.
When are the Aussies sending in their bush trained soldiers to free the world!
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ISTANBUL, Turkey — Russian men continue to flee the country, by land or air, days after President Vladimir Putin's announcement to mobilize additional forces to bolster his flailing war in Ukraine.
At Istanbul's main airport, a constant stream of Russian men came through the arrivals terminal. Istanbul is a destination of choice because it is one of few places where Russians can travel to without visas, with a long history of Russian tourism.
Turkey, a member of NATO, has sought to cast itself as a neutral power broker between Moscow and Kyiv, and refused to join Western countries in economic sanctions on Russia. Since the beginning of Russia's invasion of Ukraine in February, many anti-war Russians have settled here, along with refugees from Ukraine.
Flights from Russia to Turkey are sold out for the next several weeks, despite skyrocketing prices. But that hasn't stopped people from finding ways to get out, not only from Russian cities like Moscow, Sochi, Makhachkala and Yekaterinburg but also through neighboring countries Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Belarus and Georgia.
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Those who spoke to NPR, at Istanbul Airport, didn't want to reveal their names out of fear of the Russian government. Just last week, Putin signed a law that sentenced those who refused to serve, or evaded service, to 10 years in prison. The men NPR spoke to described long lines at airports and border crossings because of the sheer number of crowds and because of interrogation by Russian authorities.
One 32-year-old man who flew from St. Petersburg, Russia, told NPR that his flight was "completely full of men, from 20 and then till 50."
"And all men stopped and — we were interrogated by police," he said.
"There was questions about, for example, when did you buy this ticket? What's the purpose? And the second line, they asked, did you [serve] in the military? When? And did you receive the post that you need to go serve?" alluding to the conscription notices being served.
A hurried dash to the border, and packed light
Nearly all the men said they had packed very light, trying to convince Russian authorities that they were leaving for short trips, and not to evade fighting in the war.
Most said they have no future plans, and limited money. Those with families said their priority was to get settled and then try to bring their families out of Russia as well.
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A 35-year-old man, who left his family behind in Irkutsk, near Lake Baikal in Siberia, drove first to the Mongolian border, where he waited six hours to cross. In Mongolia, he said, he ran into several of his friends who were also fleeing, before he caught a flight to Istanbul.
Some men said they decided to leave the country as soon as they heard the conscription announcement last Wednesday. The man from Irkutsk said he waited a few days to see what would happen, but once his friends started getting rounded up at night, he made the decision to go.
"They aren't just taking the reservists, but also men who have no military history and even those with more than three children," he said.
Russian authorities, including Putin, had assured the public that only those with prior military service, no illnesses and fewer than three children would be called upon to serve.
Russians protested in dozens of cities against Putin's military draft
UKRAINE INVASION — EXPLAINED
Russians protested in dozens of cities against Putin's military draft
Several men told NPR that those who speak up against the war and mobilization are being arrested, beaten in custody and then sent to be drafted in the war — which is why women have been overwhelmingly taking part in the recent public protests in Russia.
It's about to get worse
Nearly everyone who spoke to NPR said they believed the situation is going to get worse, that a full mobilization is imminent.
Russia is now conducting what it claims are referendums — considered illegal under international law — in occupied Ukrainian territories on whether to formally join Russia. The 32-year-old man from St. Petersburg told NPR many in Russia see it as the first step for Putin to annex those areas as part of Russia.
"Then of course the Ukrainians will attack those areas because actually it's their territory. Then after that, I think [Putin will] decide 'OK, they attacked our territory,' and he'll make the full mobilization," he said.
Another man, in a hurry to leave the airport, only said, "everything is worse than you know and Russian men are going anywhere they can now."
One 36-year-old man from Moscow told NPR that his reason to leave was not just because he didn't want to fight, but that it was his way of not supporting the military campaign.
"If you are against the war, the best thing to do is try to get out from there and don't support it as we can, not pay taxes or don't work in Russian companies, etc.," he said.
At Istanbul's main airport, a constant stream of Russian men came through the arrivals terminal. Istanbul is a destination of choice because it is one of few places where Russians can travel to without visas, with a long history of Russian tourism.
Turkey, a member of NATO, has sought to cast itself as a neutral power broker between Moscow and Kyiv, and refused to join Western countries in economic sanctions on Russia. Since the beginning of Russia's invasion of Ukraine in February, many anti-war Russians have settled here, along with refugees from Ukraine.
Flights from Russia to Turkey are sold out for the next several weeks, despite skyrocketing prices. But that hasn't stopped people from finding ways to get out, not only from Russian cities like Moscow, Sochi, Makhachkala and Yekaterinburg but also through neighboring countries Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Belarus and Georgia.
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UKRAINE INVASION — EXPLAINED
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Those who spoke to NPR, at Istanbul Airport, didn't want to reveal their names out of fear of the Russian government. Just last week, Putin signed a law that sentenced those who refused to serve, or evaded service, to 10 years in prison. The men NPR spoke to described long lines at airports and border crossings because of the sheer number of crowds and because of interrogation by Russian authorities.
One 32-year-old man who flew from St. Petersburg, Russia, told NPR that his flight was "completely full of men, from 20 and then till 50."
"And all men stopped and — we were interrogated by police," he said.
"There was questions about, for example, when did you buy this ticket? What's the purpose? And the second line, they asked, did you [serve] in the military? When? And did you receive the post that you need to go serve?" alluding to the conscription notices being served.
A hurried dash to the border, and packed light
Nearly all the men said they had packed very light, trying to convince Russian authorities that they were leaving for short trips, and not to evade fighting in the war.
Most said they have no future plans, and limited money. Those with families said their priority was to get settled and then try to bring their families out of Russia as well.
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A 35-year-old man, who left his family behind in Irkutsk, near Lake Baikal in Siberia, drove first to the Mongolian border, where he waited six hours to cross. In Mongolia, he said, he ran into several of his friends who were also fleeing, before he caught a flight to Istanbul.
Some men said they decided to leave the country as soon as they heard the conscription announcement last Wednesday. The man from Irkutsk said he waited a few days to see what would happen, but once his friends started getting rounded up at night, he made the decision to go.
"They aren't just taking the reservists, but also men who have no military history and even those with more than three children," he said.
Russian authorities, including Putin, had assured the public that only those with prior military service, no illnesses and fewer than three children would be called upon to serve.
Russians protested in dozens of cities against Putin's military draft
UKRAINE INVASION — EXPLAINED
Russians protested in dozens of cities against Putin's military draft
Several men told NPR that those who speak up against the war and mobilization are being arrested, beaten in custody and then sent to be drafted in the war — which is why women have been overwhelmingly taking part in the recent public protests in Russia.
It's about to get worse
Nearly everyone who spoke to NPR said they believed the situation is going to get worse, that a full mobilization is imminent.
Russia is now conducting what it claims are referendums — considered illegal under international law — in occupied Ukrainian territories on whether to formally join Russia. The 32-year-old man from St. Petersburg told NPR many in Russia see it as the first step for Putin to annex those areas as part of Russia.
"Then of course the Ukrainians will attack those areas because actually it's their territory. Then after that, I think [Putin will] decide 'OK, they attacked our territory,' and he'll make the full mobilization," he said.
Another man, in a hurry to leave the airport, only said, "everything is worse than you know and Russian men are going anywhere they can now."
One 36-year-old man from Moscow told NPR that his reason to leave was not just because he didn't want to fight, but that it was his way of not supporting the military campaign.
"If you are against the war, the best thing to do is try to get out from there and don't support it as we can, not pay taxes or don't work in Russian companies, etc.," he said.
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Yes thousands dont want to be part of this. Russia has a population of 150 million.
You wont see rally's of support(this week) for Putin, war in Ukraine and the referendums on BBC or CNN. Huge turnout.
Yes thousands dont want to be part of this. Russia has a population of 150 million.
You wont see rally's of support(this week) for Putin, war in Ukraine and the referendums on BBC or CNN. Huge turnout.
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When are the Aussies sending in their bush trained soldiers to free the world!
Probably some special forces Aussies in there already.
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Most likely. We now know Nato has been in Ukraine since 2014 supporting, training and equipping them fo the proxy war, resulting in over 14000 Eastern Russian speaking people being murdered.
Its over Robert for them. Any attack on Russian federation land will mean Russia will destroy Ukraine.
For Brits, its time to end this support so we can live a better life. Putin isnt going to invading or attacking UK, this was even worse warmongering compared to Blairs 45 min lie.
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Strange comment. The Western nations are democracies and have elections so the governments change. Russia is currently a dictatorship with rigged elections so does not change. This is very simple stuff.
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All of this was avoidable had Europe not licked the boots of Amreeka and taken orders.
I do not feel sorry for any Liberal or NATO bot warmonger who believes Amreeka has Europe's back.
Amreeka has always played dirty tricks and Europe is no exception.
I bet European leaders are ruing the day they turned their backs on Putin when he offered peace.
Meanwhile senile Biden is sleeping easy on the other side of the Atlantic ocean.
Special relationship my backside.
I do not feel sorry for any Liberal or NATO bot warmonger who believes Amreeka has Europe's back.
Amreeka has always played dirty tricks and Europe is no exception.
I bet European leaders are ruing the day they turned their backs on Putin when he offered peace.
Meanwhile senile Biden is sleeping easy on the other side of the Atlantic ocean.
Special relationship my backside.
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Both the last two US elections were rigged. British election was rigged to ensure Corbyn wasnt elected. Rigging is not just changing ballet papers but using mass media to spout lies, control minds etc.
Putin is genuinely very loved in Russia, nobody can deny this.
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He has to loved. Otherwise you can fallout out of a window or trip and fall of stairs. If he is so popular then you don’t need to rig elections. Common sense really
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Liberals believe 2016 US election, and Brexit was rigged too. Yup you guessed it, the Russians did it. Classic Liberalism, always looking at someone to blame.
However squat evidence supporting their claims. Liberals will cry, whimper, and sulk; but never present evidence.
Though it is ok, now EU is falling apart, Trump has one foot in the Whitehouse, and Putin has won.
Triple vindication all round! Yay!
However squat evidence supporting their claims. Liberals will cry, whimper, and sulk; but never present evidence.
Though it is ok, now EU is falling apart, Trump has one foot in the Whitehouse, and Putin has won.
Triple vindication all round! Yay!
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BBC News - Bank will 'not hesitate' to raise interest rates after pound's fall
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63039687
Major banks have pulled mortgage products given the uncertainty of the GBP, which is the result of a strong USD (higher rates), tackling high inflation, and a budget to tackle the high energy costs stemming from the war in Ukraine, so that Brits can keep warm in winter.
Now Putin is killing the housing market in the UK, and all he did was invade the East side of Ukraine, call a referendum, about to annex parts of Ukraine, and park his 'dad's army' at the borders. Absolute genius and hats off.
But liberal Brits will tell you - it's a price worth paying.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63039687
Major banks have pulled mortgage products given the uncertainty of the GBP, which is the result of a strong USD (higher rates), tackling high inflation, and a budget to tackle the high energy costs stemming from the war in Ukraine, so that Brits can keep warm in winter.
Now Putin is killing the housing market in the UK, and all he did was invade the East side of Ukraine, call a referendum, about to annex parts of Ukraine, and park his 'dad's army' at the borders. Absolute genius and hats off.
But liberal Brits will tell you - it's a price worth paying.
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<b>BBC saying this?</b>
The Kremlin has admitted mistakes were made in its drive to mobilise Russian army reservists to fight in Ukraine, amid growing public opposition.
"There are cases when the decree is violated," Russian President Vladimir Putin's spokesman said, adding that "all the errors will be corrected".
Multiple reports say people with no military experience - or who are too old or disabled - are being called up.
Last week's mobilisation decree has already triggered widespread protests.
President Putin announced what he described as partial mobilisation on 21 September, with Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu later saying 300,000 reservists would be called up.
However, reports in opposition Russian media suggested that up to one million people could be called up.
The reports pointed out that one paragraph believed to be about the exact number of the required reservists was omitted (classified) in the published version of Mr Putin's decree on the official Kremlin website.
The Kremlin has admitted mistakes were made in its drive to mobilise Russian army reservists to fight in Ukraine, amid growing public opposition.
"There are cases when the decree is violated," Russian President Vladimir Putin's spokesman said, adding that "all the errors will be corrected".
Multiple reports say people with no military experience - or who are too old or disabled - are being called up.
Last week's mobilisation decree has already triggered widespread protests.
President Putin announced what he described as partial mobilisation on 21 September, with Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu later saying 300,000 reservists would be called up.
However, reports in opposition Russian media suggested that up to one million people could be called up.
The reports pointed out that one paragraph believed to be about the exact number of the required reservists was omitted (classified) in the published version of Mr Putin's decree on the official Kremlin website.
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What is your point James?
Mistakes are made by all humans but are you suggesting Russia will have no forces as they all are running away?
Its done mate, Russia is rebuilding all its soon to be territories.
So much for the successful kherson counter offensive. Even MSM can't hide the horrific losses being suffered.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/07/ukraine-kherson-offensive-casualties-ammunition/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/07/ukraine-kherson-offensive-casualties-ammunition/
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"“We lost five people for every one they did,” said Ihor, a 30-year-old platoon commander "
Wow. [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] Ukraine still winning in the south?
The Ukrainian people need to stand up, publicly arrest Zelensky, take him to trail. This puppet has caused so many deaths for his masters in Washington and Tel Aviv.
They tell us Europe is winning...
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...y-nabs-uae-gas-deal-as-energy-squeeze-tighter
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...y-nabs-uae-gas-deal-as-energy-squeeze-tighter
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Deleted off topic posts about Trump.
This thread: Russia invades Ukraine.
This thread: Russia invades Ukraine.
Looks like putin is on the backfoot with the mobilisation drive.
The regime seems to be backtracking
Epic scence of convoys fleeing
Dagestan is becoming a problem men are fleeing to Georgia from the caucasus .
There's a chance now russia could collapse within
The regime seems to be backtracking
Epic scence of convoys fleeing
Dagestan is becoming a problem men are fleeing to Georgia from the caucasus .
There's a chance now russia could collapse within
Russia is already losing territory that it captured, conventionally and logistically it has been smashed .
What was a special operation is becoming a total disaster.
Hence why putin is threatening with nukes let's see if he does it I have a feeling this guy is gonna be knocked off within the whole security apparatus has turned into a shambles with people being sacked left right and centre.
Ukrainians were doing the same at the start, men of draft age fled West. Did they collapse within?
Just because MSM didn't cover it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
It's almost like the people think that Russia didn't expect both support and protests to the mobilisation. Russia expected it, but MSM and fans of MSM like you will pump up stories to the ntg degree.
Another example of how propaganda works. Russia takes out battalions worth of troops and no mention in MSM. Russia lose one group MSM will claim it as a major successful counter offensive.
Read this and then tell us Russia has been "logistically smashed". Read this to understand what is actually happening to Ukrainians at the front. When you have read this then find me a reliable source that shows artillery is doing the same to Russians anywhere on the front line.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/08/12/ukraine-kherson-battle/
To be frank, two different things are happening currently.
The Russians are getting destroyed in Donbas, and I don’t think they will end up keeping any of it at all. And Russian-supporting Donbas citizens are already fleeing to Russia.
Kherson is different. The Russians are dug in with their best troops and equipment and are killing large numbers of attacking Ukrainians. But the Ukrainians have taken down the bridges that the Russians need for supply purposes. I honestly don’t know what will happen at Kherson.
My guess is that Putin is only a few days or weeks from accidentally falling out of a window, which will change everything anyway. Except they will say that he died after a brave fight against cancer.
The Russians are getting destroyed in Donbas, and I don’t think they will end up keeping any of it at all. And Russian-supporting Donbas citizens are already fleeing to Russia.
Kherson is different. The Russians are dug in with their best troops and equipment and are killing large numbers of attacking Ukrainians. But the Ukrainians have taken down the bridges that the Russians need for supply purposes. I honestly don’t know what will happen at Kherson.
My guess is that Putin is only a few days or weeks from accidentally falling out of a window, which will change everything anyway. Except they will say that he died after a brave fight against cancer.
You should quit reading MSM it is messing with your mind.
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Sorry mate, this is nonsense. You can’t rig an election in mature democracies like US or UK. The systems are robust.
Trump raised fifty lawsuits in fifty states to contest the 2020 election result and all failed in court.
Persuading people to vote a certain way via mass or social media isn’t vote-rigging. Corbyn shot himself in the foot by appears by unpatriotic with his Skripal comments and Queen on Christmas Day clanger, and was unable to shut down the antisemitism narrative. He was obviously not in control of the PLP either. Voters noticed these signs and decided he was unfit to lead.
You can harden defences against foreign interference via social media, though that’s a separate issue.
Compare our systems to Russia where the opposition party leader is placed under house arrest and prevented from campaigning. Or where a Putin crony returns a ballot of 96% in favour from Chechnya, an area where Putin had committed mass murder. That is election-rigging.
Kherson can be won if the west supplies ukraine with fighter aircraft , predator drones and more modern artillery the Russian defences would be smashed.
Since kherson is a flat steppe it's to much risk for attacking infantry troops.
I dont know why the west is prolonging this war just give the ukranians some decent aircraft in kherson counteroffensive and the russians will buckle and come to the table for a negotiated surrender ceasefire.
I don't think putin will use nukes now because he is losing support in his own country now and he seems to becoming more isolated by each passing day even india and China are not on the same page with him on the ukraine invasion
Since kherson is a flat steppe it's to much risk for attacking infantry troops.
I dont know why the west is prolonging this war just give the ukranians some decent aircraft in kherson counteroffensive and the russians will buckle and come to the table for a negotiated surrender ceasefire.
I don't think putin will use nukes now because he is losing support in his own country now and he seems to becoming more isolated by each passing day even india and China are not on the same page with him on the ukraine invasion
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If reserve forces are getting mobilised, surely the “special military operation” gubbins description needs to be formally dropped now. This is a war.
Why didn't you read and respond to the article I provided written by the Washington Post?
It's almost like you want to believe in fiction. Ukraine is getting pummelled by artillery near Kherson.
It is a SMO - it has been from day one. Ukraine still has electricity, internet, water, gas, trains etc. The moment Russia declares war, Ukraine can say goodbye to all that.
This is why we have been saying all along that Russia have been fighting with one arm tied behind their back. They have left key infrastructure standing.
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I believe the "referendums" are for that purpose. You see Putin is just working via the west's or Europe's on playbook. He is after all cut from the same cloth. The difference is he isn't bothered where he plays. Be it the global South or North. He is bringing the game to the North.
Once the referendums reach their inevitable conclusion any attack on that territory is an attack on Russia. All ukrop troops will be declared occupiers and war will be declared. That's the aim. I believe their initial assumptions proved wrong but even then they managed to achieve a large part of their objective to secure the east and crimea. Now the war will get very very dangerous. The Ukrainians should have pushed for a ceasefire two weeks ago..but now it could get very horrible...
Wishful thinking the russians simply don't have the manpower equipment and sound logistics to expand this war any further.
They banked on the ukranians giving up early on .
But ukranians are fighting to the last man and their national existence the usa found that out after squandering billions fighting peasants in Afghanistan for 20 years .
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Yeah, I think this too. The UN can refuse to accept the refraudendums, but if UKR keeps pushing forward then Putin will feel justified in firing nukes "in defence of Russia".
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You are mistaken.. they made mistakes sure but they do have the means to expand. Up until now their own laws have prevented an escalation unless putin changes the status of the operation. Hence why he is doing this amexxation thing. Its to get round a law and a surprisingly paperwork. Yes this is how policy can affect innocents.
But now that he has mobilised the actual.russian army will begin operations. Most of the troops called up will man the borders both new and other areas. This will alow for further rotation and redeployment. One thing we have seen the Russians do is adapt and reorganise relatively quickly after mistakes. They will do so again.
They have been very restrained hoping for diplomatic breakthroughs and talks with zelensky but we now see this was a bad strategy. I believe the gloves will come off now and this is bad for Europe and Ukraine.
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Also remember if he does use nukes it's very easy to disguise their use on the battlefield. I believe they have tactical nukes of low yield that do not emit as much radiation. They can be deployed and used.
As for ukr pushing forward I believe that will stop at some point and they will face a large counter offensive. I think the war has merely moved to an actual war and not a special operation.
with what?
What do make of your western MSM and their reports on what's actually happening in kherson. For example the Washington Post article which highlights the horrific losses for AFU because of the artillery mismatch.
who is denying that Ukraine will be taking heavy losses? its war! Only you claim Russia isn't...
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He cannot disguise a tac-nuke detonation. The 6000 Celsius heat bloom will be seen from orbit. How the rest of the world will respond in such an instance I cannot guess.
Here's a 15 kiloton detonation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=105&v=4RKXuQ8lOe8&feature=emb_logo
Compared to Ukraine they are not suffering heavy losses. Ukraine have lost over 200k in total and around 90k of those are kia. Russia in comparison are at the 60k and 15k marks for losses and kia. All because of the artillery mismatch.
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I think Russia plenty more according to news sources.
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I stand corrected. Thus I surmise he won't do it but then I thought he wouldn't invade..
If it were many more Russia would have collapsed. They haven't do the losses are not as severe as Ukraine's.
They collapsed in Kharkiv. Stop pretending that didn't happen
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Russia has taken what it needs, the lands near the black sea. They will be part of the Russian Federation.
There is nothing Truss or Biden can do about it.
Putin is saying he can and will use all means to defend the Russian federation or do you want attack him with so many weapons but he's only allowed to use water pistols in return?
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West is as corrupt if not more as anywhere else but this is for another topic.
Meanwhile the voting is going well, Russia will soon acquire great new lands while bimbo and grandad are figuring out basic maths.
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It surprises me how Liberals have changed their tune. In 2016 Russia was getting all the blame for rigging elections, now the tune has changed to the West has mature democracies and cannot be rigged!
Blame game and pedantry is all that Liberals have left.
The referendums in Ukraine are proper legit, just like the Western referendum in Serbia to recognise Kosovo.
Blame game and pedantry is all that Liberals have left.
The referendums in Ukraine are proper legit, just like the Western referendum in Serbia to recognise Kosovo.
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Residents of Zaporozhye Region in Ukraine, which is partially controlled by Moscow, have elected to break away from the country and join the Russian Federation. More than 93% of voters support the idea of splitting from Ukraine and joining Russia, official figures show.
The referendum – which ran for five days alongside those in the neighboring Kherson Region and in the two Donbass republics – concluded on Tuesday.
Most of Zaporozhye Region was seized by the Russian military early in the ongoing campaign that broke out in late February. The region’s capital, however, the city of Zaporozhye, remains under Ukraine’s control. Melitopol serves as the de facto capital of the Russia-controlled part.
The referendum – which ran for five days alongside those in the neighboring Kherson Region and in the two Donbass republics – concluded on Tuesday.
Most of Zaporozhye Region was seized by the Russian military early in the ongoing campaign that broke out in late February. The region’s capital, however, the city of Zaporozhye, remains under Ukraine’s control. Melitopol serves as the de facto capital of the Russia-controlled part.
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The majority of citizens of both the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics (DPR and LPR) support the idea of uniting with Russia, according to local election commissions.
In the DPR, more than 98% of voters supported the idea of joining Russia, according to early official figures. The referendum in the LPR yielded a similar result, with more than 97% of voters supporting the potential reunification. In Lugansk, all the ballots have already been counted, according to local authorities, while Donetsk has processed just over half of the votes so far.
The polls were conducted in the republics, as well as in the Moscow-controlled parts of Ukraine’s Zaporozhye and Kherson Regions, between September 23 and 27
In the DPR, more than 98% of voters supported the idea of joining Russia, according to early official figures. The referendum in the LPR yielded a similar result, with more than 97% of voters supporting the potential reunification. In Lugansk, all the ballots have already been counted, according to local authorities, while Donetsk has processed just over half of the votes so far.
The polls were conducted in the republics, as well as in the Moscow-controlled parts of Ukraine’s Zaporozhye and Kherson Regions, between September 23 and 27
Try digging a little deeper... 38k voted. That's 3%..
The EU had already shut them off. Its happend on the exact day the Norway to Poland line opened...it's a warning that we could do that too, it could only have been by a submarine.
Desperation. And I'm afraid I think it may be a step too far.
We are going to war with Russia. I've thought it all along, but now I'm certain.
Absolutely nobody said Russia rigged and election. Youve made that up again
Russia influenced... Huge difference
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Looks like people in those areas have decided to join Russia. West and Ukraine should respect that decision.
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Define "influence".
When American leaders campaign during elections, they are influencing too.
Influencing is not illegal.
So let me get this straight. Russia, who spent $30billion on these pipes would destroy them knowing repairing would take weeks/months? Knowing that they would need them again at some in the future, they decided blowing them up was a great idea?
This is the same country who decided its own people who fodder so they could pound the Chechens.
What's 30b to them? You keep telling us how much money they have. Putin knows full well he won't need them again.
Why do I need to define influence? Russia paid millions to influence elections, just like us leaders
When did I claim it was illegal?
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Why do you have a problem with this election then? There is no proof that anything illegal has happened.
Not sure why CNN is calling it a sham election. It is disrespectful.
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You mean YOU are? When are you putting on your tin hat and heading off to the British army?
I would defend the UK against any invasion or attack but if its Russia, it would be idiotic to fight back, best to leave this little island which can be wiped out in a single attack.
The gas pipline attack wasnt Russian, there is no need for them when they can turn off the tap.
UK is in a dangerous spot now as winter approaches.
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After 6 months people still believe the Eastern people are anti-Russian. lol.
If they were , Russia would have been defeated by now.
Check out Patrick Lancasters youtube videos, which show these towns are being rebuilt, the census is going well. It would be 90% voting to be part of the Russian federation at least.
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This is spot on
I believe if he had officially declared war and mobilised the entire army people would have said he had failed. Annexing these regions means however Russians will claim Russia itself is under attack and therefore formally declare war.
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Supposing the referendum results are legit and annexing is truly desired by the locals, USA/UK/Nato etc. have missed a trick here.
Instead of bombing Afghan schools and hospitals and putting the propaganda machine in massacres' justifications, they should have focused on anti-Russia propaganda.
Instead of bombing Afghan schools and hospitals and putting the propaganda machine in massacres' justifications, they should have focused on anti-Russia propaganda.
According to MSM the referendums are a sham. According to the rest of the world they reflect the will of the people.
Western propaganda would have achieved nothing, the ethnic Russians want out of Ukraine, there are millions of them. They also are not blind, they have seen the attacks on the since 2014.
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Which would not have happened had Putin not invaded Crimea.
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If nuclear war results, nowhere on the planet is safe. Civilisation in the Northern hemisphere will cease to exist, and even the Southern will suffer climate catastrophe and depopulation.
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