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Russia invades Ukraine

With the help of the Poles yes I do. Not only do I think the Americans did it, I think every intelligence agency in the world knows they did it now.

The saddest part about all of this is how utterly powerless the Germans are, seems like the Germans had no idea what was going on and now they are going to become slaves to American policy.

If anyone think the Russians did it, you have to question their IQ.

You literally get all your info from RT and Russian BOTS on twitter and Telegram and claim they are independant 'non MSM' sources... no doubt lapping up the Russian propoganda and watching the endless clip of Biden in Feb telling people NORD 2 wouldn't happen.

Thats how it works... you claim we are poodles to the MSM...

you are a Zombie to Russian state news
 
With the help of the Poles yes I do. Not only do I think the Americans did it, I think every intelligence agency in the world knows they did it now.

The saddest part about all of this is how utterly powerless the Germans are, seems like the Germans had no idea what was going on and now they are going to become slaves to American policy.

If anyone think the Russians did it, you have to question their IQ.

If anyone thinks two NATO allies would do it to a third NATO ally, I would either suspect a dangerous weakness for conspiracy thinking, or that they are a St Petersburg troll.
 
I was spot on though, you had no idea that Amreeka had shot down an Iranian commercial airliner.

I do not blame you, I blame TikTok.

Have fun with your new found hypocrisy.

:)

Amazingly I did actually. Strange what happens when u were alive when it happened.
 
If anyone thinks two NATO allies would do it to a third NATO ally, I would either suspect a dangerous weakness for conspiracy thinking, or that they are a St Petersburg troll.

In time you will see the truth.
 
If anyone thinks two NATO allies would do it to a third NATO ally, I would either suspect a dangerous weakness for conspiracy thinking, or that they are a St Petersburg troll.

I suspect I am going to get hammered for what I say next. And [MENTION=135003]bones[/MENTION] will see me in a whole new light.

I have been disappointed by the attitude of the central Europeans towards this war, and angered by Germany's response.

I wrote about 50 pages ago that I don't trust the central Europeans to wean themselves off Russian energy, and that I think that the Americans or the British should destroy the Nord Stream pipelines.

I accept that the Russians may have done it themselves, but any benefit to them exists only in the mind of a man like Putin who has lost touch with reality.

I certainly hope that this is the work of either US Navy Seals or the SBS. It's certainly not the type of operation that you can claim credit/responsibility for.
 
The real problems of this war are that the justifications are all ideological:

Russia invaded Ukraine!
The Ukranians want Freedom!
Putin is a madman!
Communism is evil!.

How about this as the actual lineology?

1. USSR was a nation of people imprisoned by a totalitarian regime, which inevitably collapsed.

2. The Ukrainians aspired to a western standard of living and open democratic society, and finally got there after some corrupt interludes.

3. The Russian military-industrial complex has always resented the collapse of the USSR, which it viewed as belonging to Russia, and has fomented Russian-language based disputes in Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine to try to restore lost areas to Russian control.

4. Putin is a nasty little bully who is cunning but has a very mediocre IQ and no morals of any description. For years he has got away with killing his opponents and corruptly enriching people he sees as key allies.

5. Putin's strategy for the last 15 years in foreign policy has been identical to Hitler's in the period 1934-39. Foment ethnic tension in neighbouring countries, then invade them on the pretext of defending your ethnic compatriots.

Hitler actually had a stronger case than Putin - at least the Sudeten Germans and East Prussians wanted to be German citizens.

But international law prohibits annexation of land on this pretext anyway.
 
CNN and other American news outlets are prettiest much solent on the pipelines. I think if they were to run with the usual Russians did it the majority of the public wouldn't fall for it.

That's why the Americans are very quiet.
 
The US will "never, never, never" recognise Russia's attempt to annex territory in Ukraine, President Joe Biden has said.

He was speaking ahead of a speech on Friday from Vladimir Putin, who is due to declare that four occupied Ukrainian regions will join Russia.

The Kremlin says Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson backed annexation in five-day referendums.

The so-called votes have been widely condemned outside Russia as a sham.

The US will impose new sanctions on Russia as a result of the annexation.

"The United States, I want to be very clear about this, will never, never, never recognise Russia's claims on Ukraine sovereign territory," Mr Biden said.

On Thursday, the Russian president signed two decrees recognising Zaporizhzhia and Kherson as independent territories - paving the way for them to be annexed.

The documents, shared on Russian state media, say the independence of the two regions is being recognised in accordance with international law and "enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations".

However, UN Secretary General António Guterres has said any annexation of a country's territory based on the use of force violates the UN Charter and international law. It is a "dangerous escalation" that "has no place in the modern world", he said.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky will decide how to respond at an emergency meeting of his national security and defence council on Friday. Council secretary Oleksiy Danilov said "important, fundamental decisions for our country" would be taken, but gave no details.

None of the four occupied regions that Russia aims to incorporate are under its full control. It can only lay claim to 60% of Donetsk while Zaporizhzhia's regional capital remains in Ukrainian hands.

As Ukrainians rushed to get their relatives out of occupied areas of Zaporizhzhia region, missiles hit a civilian convoy of cars on the outskirts of the main city. The Ukrainian governor said 23 civilians had been killed and another 28 wounded in the Russian attack. Two lines of cars were hit and the bodies of two women could be seen on the ground.

In a phone call with Mr Putin, Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan expressed his opposition to the planned annexation.

He called on the Russian leader to reduce tension and give peace negotiations with Ukraine another chance, according to a spokesperson.

Turkey, along with the UN, has mediated in negotiations between Russia and Ukraine in the past - with success in reaching a deal to resume exports of grain through the Black Sea.

Four Ukrainian regions under Russian occupation are being annexed: Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson
Meanwhile, in Moscow a stage was set up for a concert in Red Square, adorned with billboards proclaiming the four regions as part of Russia.

It is a repeat of Russia's annexation of the southern Crimea Peninsular in 2014, which also followed a discredited referendum. That annexation has never been recognised by the vast majority of the international community, and nor will this one.

But regardless of what the West says, Russia's two houses of parliament will formally ratify the move next week.

Mr Putin will be hoping that by annexing occupied areas of Ukraine, he will be able to argue that Russian territory is coming under attack from Western weapons, in the hope that some governments may halt their military aid to Kyiv.

But Kyiv has said it will not change anything on the battlefield.

Russia staged five days of self-styled referendums across the four regions last week, with little advance notice.

Russia says the voting was fair and resulted in a complete landslide in favour of joining Russia. But there was no independent monitoring and there were widespread accounts of people being intimidated into voting by armed Russian soldiers.

President Volodymyr Zelensky said the "pseudo referendums" were worthless, and his adviser Mykhailo Podolyak called them "mass violence".

"Imagine... there are tanks of the occupying army and in the houses and apartments of people who have not yet left... military men with automatic weapons are putting them to their faces and saying 'vote!'"

BBC
 
CNN and other American news outlets are prettiest much solent on the pipelines. I think if they were to run with the usual Russians did it the majority of the public wouldn't fall for it.

That's why the Americans are very quiet.

Or they are dealing with a 1 in 500 years natural disaster.

Proper weirdo you are. Any views on the Russian bombing of the humanitarian coloumn?
 
I feel sorry for the NATO bots today, Putin has annexed parts of Ukraine and NATO could do nothing about it - well I suppose Amreeka sabotaging the Nord pipeline does count in some way but NATO allies are ultimately the ones feeling the pain.
 
Always thought he was a rational actor but after that speech? Nah he's gone full Tonto ..

Particularly liked his rant about how the west were evil for bombing nazi germany
 
NATO bots and MSM in pure meltdown.

Serves them right, never said a thing about the Western sanctioned sham referendum in Serbia recognising Kosovo.

Love it when hypocrisy turns to tears.
 
NATO powerless.

Perhaps the West/NATO should rewrite their warmongering playbook, along with the world map.

:)))
 
Russia annexing territories from Ukraine is equivalent to Russia showing middle finger to West. West can't seem to do anything other than placing sanctions (which is ineffective).

I think Russia has come out of this conflict victorious.
 
The annexation is for domestic consumption.

Until the four areas are fully liberated and there is a buffer zone to stop ukranian attacks on the 4 regions then its totally
 
Ukraine applied to join NATO years ago, and early in the year!

Both times, application rejected.

Bread crumbs for NATO bots.
 
No they didn't. Ukraine has never applied for membership

Ukraine Wanted to Join NATO's Alliance for Years. What Stopped It?

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/nat...s-alliance-for-years-what-stopped-it/2813488/

Excerpt

While NATO, the U.S. and other allies rejected this demand — and have even downplayed the Ukraine-NATO issue as a reason for Russia's invasion — NATO also avoided adding Ukraine despite requests from the country to join over several years.

Not TikTok, but MSM.

Enjoy!

:)
 
Nice to see you have proven yourself wrong again. Becoming tedious.

ukraine has never formally requested to join NATO before today. Lay off the tik tok crap too. I've never used it

Now you are rejecting MSM news, even citing NATO sources - I am glad, you are maturing and moving away from the millennial TikTok mentality.

I understand today is a tough day for you NATO warmongering apologists.

Stay strong, like Russia.

:)
 
Russia annexing territories from Ukraine is equivalent to Russia showing middle finger to West. West can't seem to do anything other than placing sanctions (which is ineffective).

I think Russia has come out of this conflict victorious.

NATO, the West, and their apologists have admitted they are scared of Russia because of Russia's strength and the risk of nuclear fallout.

All that bravado and for what? Nothing because NATO will only wage illegal wars on weaker nations such as Iraq and Afghanistan, and bully them into submission. Didn't work with Russia, and now the West is hurting, more so with sanctions backfiring and affecting Amreekan allies in Europe.
 
Now you are rejecting MSM news, even citing NATO sources - I am glad, you are maturing and moving away from the millennial TikTok mentality.

I understand today is a tough day for you NATO warmongering apologists.

Stay strong, like Russia.

:)

Did that report state 'ukraine formally applied to join NATO'... No.

Now go and enjoy all your liberties in that western hell hole you absolute hypocrite
 
Nice to see you have proven yourself wrong again. Becoming tedious.

ukraine has never formally requested to join NATO before today. Lay off the tik tok crap too. I've never used it

Ukraine wanted to join Nato going back to 2002. What does formal mean, they needed to send an email with you copied in? Please do some basic research.

What a speech by Putin today.

He has achieved his military operation objectives, No Nazis in the East murdering innocent people and never will again.

Meanwhile the Yanks are conducting terrorist attacks to ensure pipelines are broken forever, so the proxy war continues.

If Ukraine joins Nato, it will be interesting to see if Nato send its troops to Ukraine, I doubt it.

Mr Leigh are you willing to go fight for Nato if as part of the foot soldiers if they join Nato?
 
Did that report state 'ukraine formally applied to join NATO'... No.

Now go and enjoy all your liberties in that western hell hole you absolute hypocrite

There there.

They only hypocrites are the Western/NATO officials you champion and defend, catastrophically.

Proven by the fact every single one of your comments in this thread not only exposes the hypocrisy of NATO and Western governments, but also exposes the Tiktok generation's lack of facts and understanding, and your hatred to everything that is non-European.

Now go enjoy Russia's victory, you deserve it, and next time find better sources than TikTok.
 
So new levels of humor added to this thread by cpleigh. Ukraine applied to join NATO for the first time... today.
 
Not quite sure how NATO works, but if Ukraine is accepted then surely that means that NATO will have to provide forces to reclaim their lost territory?

I have a feeling that their application won't be considered for a while if thats the case
 
Not quite sure how NATO works, but if Ukraine is accepted then surely that means that NATO will have to provide forces to reclaim their lost territory?

I have a feeling that their application won't be considered for a while if thats the case

Its symbolic and not serious. Just words, I think NATO in the past few months have said right now Ukraine joining it is not on the table.
 
US Secretary of State Antony Blinken has said the United States has not yet seen Russia take any action that suggests it is contemplating the use of nuclear weapons, despite what he decried as "loose talk" by Vladimir Putin about their possible use.

"We are looking very carefully to see if Russia is actually doing anything that suggests that they are contemplating the use of nuclear weapons. To date, we've not seen them take these actions," Mr Blinken told a press conference in Washington.

DT

Hahahaha. Liberals and NATO bots will have to try another tact here. There own Amreekan masters have have poured scorn over Putin will go nuclear claims.

Yet another liberal lie torpedoed, only this time, by Amreeka! OUCH!
 
Its symbolic and not serious. Just words, I think NATO in the past few months have said right now Ukraine joining it is not on the table.

Zelensky is playing his final cards, seems like he's laid a big bet down on this as a final desperate move. But I agree its unlikely esp as the likes of Turkey will not want this.

Either way Nato will suffer. If Ukraine is allowed to join , Nato must send Dads army from England and hillybillys from America to the frontline. If Ukraine is refused it will show Nato not really caring even after all their blustering as being the saviours of the world.

Imho Nato, US have decided to continue this conflict even if it means a huge war.
 
The US is committed to the “open door” policy when it comes to NATO, but now is the wrong time to consider Ukraine’s membership application, President Joe Biden’s national security adviser Jake Sullivan said on Friday.

“Right now, our view is that the best way for us to support Ukraine is through practical, on the ground support in Ukraine, and that the process in Brussels should be taken up at a different time,” Sullivan told reporters at the White House press briefing.

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Ukraine's application to join NATO, rejected, yet again!
 
The US is committed to the “open door” policy when it comes to NATO, but now is the wrong time to consider Ukraine’s membership application, President Joe Biden’s national security adviser Jake Sullivan said on Friday.

“Right now, our view is that the best way for us to support Ukraine is through practical, on the ground support in Ukraine, and that the process in Brussels should be taken up at a different time,” Sullivan told reporters at the White House press briefing.

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Ukraine's application to join NATO, rejected, yet again!

Yup. It is quite funny actually.

One particular user here was doing chest thumping about how Russia should get dismembered. Russia ended up gaining land.
 
Or they are dealing with a 1 in 500 years natural disaster.

Proper weirdo you are. Any views on the Russian bombing of the humanitarian coloumn?

You'd think that it would be a main story, doesn't mean it has to the top story but at least something.

As for the humanitarian column - I will wait to see what the Russians say because I do not believe a word from the Ukrainians.
 
President Joe Biden has warned Russia that the United States will not be intimidated by reckless threats after Vladimir Putin annexed four occupied regions of Ukraine.

Mr Putin appeared to make a veiled threat to use nuclear weapons to defend the new annexed territories.

He declared that the regions would "forever" be part of Russia.

Nato Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg called the annexation "the most serious escalation since the start of the war".

In a speech, the Russian leader claimed citizens in Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Luhansk and Donetsk had voted to be "with their people, their motherland".

He was referring to so-called referendums held in the regions in recent days, but Ukraine and Western governments have condemned the votes as a sham.

But much of Mr Putin's speech was used to rail at the West.

He said the US had created a "precedent" by using nuclear weapons against Japan at the end of World War Two, in an apparent threat.

Mr Putin last week said his country had "various weapons of destruction" and would "use all the means available to us", adding: "I'm not bluffing."

The Kremlin has made clear that any attack on the newly annexed regions would be seen as an attack on Russian soil, signalling an escalation in the war.

President Biden called out his Russian counterpart's "reckless words and threats", but added that Mr Putin was "not going to scare us".

"America and its allies are not going to be intimidated," President Biden said at the White House.

He then addressed the Russian president directly, pointing his finger into the camera.

"America's fully prepared, with our Nato allies, to defend every single inch of Nato territory," he said, in reference to the Western security bloc.

"Mr Putin, don't misunderstand what I'm saying: every inch."

Shortly after, Mr Biden's top national security official said while there was a chance of Moscow resorting to nuclear weapons, there did not appear to be an imminent threat.

Ukraine launched a new, fast-track bid to join Nato soon after Mr Putin's speech.

President Volodymyr Zelensky said Ukraine had long been a "de facto" member of the security bloc and accused Moscow of redrawing borders "using murder, blackmail, mistreatment and lies".

Mr Stoltenberg of Nato was reluctant to be drawn on the bid, saying the decision rested with the bloc's 30 members.

The alliance's members "do not and will not" recognise any of the annexed territory as part of Russia, Mr Stoltenberg told reporters, accusing Mr Putin of "irresponsible nuclear sabre-rattling".

He called the annexation a "pivotal moment" in the war.

EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said "the illegal annexation proclaimed by Putin won't change anything".

"All territories illegally occupied by Russian invaders are Ukrainian land and will always be part of this sovereign nation."

South Korea said it did not recognise the annexations, adding that Ukraine's sovereignty, territorial security and independence must be protected.

BBC
 
History is a great teacher. I can think of two great armies that foolishly thought they had weakened and/or destroyed the Russians (Soviets) and paid the heaviest price.

In the coming weeks/months another army (NATO trained and supported Ukraine) will pay the price again.

The west controls all the media which has advantages and disadvantages. But the disadvantage right now is their lies are catching up with them.

Russia are preparing a huge force with much of their modern equipment and well trained army, the videos are coming out. Russia are very serious about protecting the newly annexed territories.
 
Not quite sure how NATO works, but if Ukraine is accepted then surely that means that NATO will have to provide forces to reclaim their lost territory?

I have a feeling that their application won't be considered for a while if thats the case

It doesn’t work retrospectively. Else NATO would have pushed Russia out of Kaliningrad to hand it back to Germany.
 
History is a great teacher. I can think of two great armies that foolishly thought they had weakened and/or destroyed the Russians (Soviets) and paid the heaviest price.

In the coming weeks/months another army (NATO trained and supported Ukraine) will pay the price again.

The west controls all the media which has advantages and disadvantages. But the disadvantage right now is their lies are catching up with them.

Russia are preparing a huge force with much of their modern equipment and well trained army, the videos are coming out. Russia are very serious about protecting the newly annexed territories.

You talk of Napoleon and Hitler? Those were west European invasions of Russia. The Ukrainians merely seek to recover their stolen territory. They understand the need for winter clothing, because they live in south east Europe.

If Putin had a huge force of modern equipment and well trained army, he would have beaten Ukraine down in the first few weeks of the invasion.
 
You talk of Napoleon and Hitler? Those were west European invasions of Russia. The Ukrainians merely seek to recover their stolen territory. They understand the need for winter clothing, because they live in south east Europe.

If Putin had a huge force of modern equipment and well trained army, he would have beaten Ukraine down in the first few weeks of the invasion.

Putin was naive or had bad Intel, he did not expect Ukraine to follow their masters down this path. He was expecting talks very early on. However the game has changed. By doing these referendums the Russians have sent a clear message. This is our land and our people. Leave it and them alone or pay the price.

If Ukraine cared so much about this land and these people, maybe they should have stopped treating them like third class citizens or even worse.
 
Wonder what bones is going to say when russia loses lyman , their troops are already encircled and trapped .

It's a city in the donetsk oblast which is one of the four regions of putins New Russia yet ukraine continues to hold large areas and is attacking and reclaiming parts under russia.

Bones I told you putins speech of annexation was just white noise .

You can only claim annexation if the whole four regions are in russias control in first place .
 
Only two choices left for Russians in Lyman - Ukrainian official

More now on the situation around Ukraine's eastern city of Lyman, in Donetsk region.

Russian troops there have asked their superiors to leave the city - but this request was rejected, a senior Ukrainian official says.

Luhansk regional head Serhiy Haidai says the Russian soldiers now have only two choices: to try to break through or surrender.

Haidai adds that almost all withdrawal and ammunition supply routes are now cut off to Lyman.

The claim has not been independently verified.

On Friday Denis Pushilin, the Russian-installed leader of Donetsk region, said Lyman was "semi-encircled " and Russian forces were holding out "with the last of their strength".
 
Putin was naive or had bad Intel, he did not expect Ukraine to follow their masters down this path. He was expecting talks very early on. However the game has changed. By doing these referendums the Russians have sent a clear message. This is our land and our people. Leave it and them alone or pay the price.

If Ukraine cared so much about this land and these people, maybe they should have stopped treating them like third class citizens or even worse.

Again you deny the Ukrainians their agency.

Had Putin not invaded Crimea, the ethnic Russians in eastern UKR would have been treated fine. Violence begats violence.
 
Yes folks. Violence begets violence, had NATO not disected Serbia and recognised Kosovo, we'd not be here.

Liberals and their hypocrisy.
 
Putin was naive or had bad Intel, he did not expect Ukraine to follow their masters down this path. He was expecting talks very early on. However the game has changed. By doing these referendums the Russians have sent a clear message. This is our land and our people. Leave it and them alone or pay the price.

If Ukraine cared so much about this land and these people, maybe they should have stopped treating them like third class citizens or even worse.

Disagree respectfully.

Putin is a genius and has calculated this outcome. The game and control was always woth Putin because NATO has publicly admitted that they fear going to war with Russia, otherwise a no fly zone would have been implemented in the early days of the war.

Putin also knows that NATO would dare not accept Ukraine as a NATO member, again, would have happened in 2002, but alas, Ukraine's latest application has also been rejected.

This is why Amreeka sabotaged the Nord pipeline, not because Amreeka doesn't care about its European poodles, but because Amreeka is trying to hurt Russia from a source of income. Of course, the only losers here are the so called NATO allies.

As for Ukrainians treating Russians like 3rd class citizens, you will never hear NATO bots and liberals criticise Isreal and how they treat Palestinians.

If the West/NATO weren't champions of hypocrisy, then they might have greater support.
 
The Russian ruble strengthened to new highs against the Euro and US dollar during Friday trading on the Moscow Exchange amid the threat of further Western sanctions, as the two Donbass republics, as well as the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions, are set to become part of Russia.

The euro was trading at an eight-year low against the Russian currency, at 51.1 rubles as of 12:10 GMT. The EU currency briefly sank below 51 rubles at one point. The dollar rate fell below 54 rubles for the first time since July.

Both top global reserve currencies have been declining against the ruble amid rising geopolitical tensions. The Russian denomination has remained strong in recent months partly due to limited demand from importers, which are already grappling with the effects of the sanctions on Moscow.

Analysts explain the imbalance in the ratio of the currencies by the large-scale sales of the euro and the dollar in the absence of demand on the Moscow Exchange. On Thursday, the adviser to the first deputy chairman of the Central Bank of Russia, Sergey Moiseev, said exchange trading in the dollar and euro could be halted if sanctions are introduced against the Moscow Exchange.

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Oh dear, no more proof is required. Western sanctions on Russia have failed.
 
It doesn’t work retrospectively. Else NATO would have pushed Russia out of Kaliningrad to hand it back to Germany.

Ukraine has been very badly let down by their leadership and the outside world in that case.
 
Russia vetoes U.N. resolution on proclaimed annexations, China abstains

WASHINGTON, Sept 30 (Reuters) - Russia on Friday vetoed a UN Security Council resolution introduced by the United States and Albania condemning Moscow's proclaimed annexation of parts of Ukraine, with Russia's strategic partner China abstaining from the vote.

Earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin proclaimed Russian rule over four regions that make up 15% of Ukraine's territory - the biggest annexation in Europe since World War Two. The move has been firmly rejected by Western countries and even many of Russia's close allies.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-ac...aimed-annexations-ukraine-blinken-2022-09-30/

Russia vetoes, India and China abstain, UN Security Council instigates by Amreeka fails.

To NATO bots and Liberals, don't cry, you Amreekan masters have used the power of veto more times than any nation since 1970s to protect Isreal from crimes against humanity, of course not forgetting how Amreeka bypassed the UN to wage an illegal was in Iraq.

My favourite part, UN cannot eject Russia from the permanent security council seat.

:)))
 
Yesterday’s Putin rant was comical as well as tragic.

He annexed 4 oblasts, of which he has already lost control of one, never had control of the capital city of a second, and has his troops besieged in a third.

It’s as if Pakistan annexed Kolkata today, without actually controlling it.

Putin is in all sorts of trouble now. His mobilisation is a catastrophe, in which the new conscripts are untrained and unarmed. He is being spanked on the battlefield and he has resorted to fictional annexations of places he doesn’t even control.

A pathetic little man whose bullying rants only convince the brainwashed and people whose judgment and moral compass is twisted by colonial chips on their shoulders.

Russia is what happens when a third rate economic basketcase of a country is controlled by a tinpot dictator who has learned to blackmail the world using nuclear weapons that he inherited. The cronies get rich while the people live short, impoverished lives.
 
Got to feel for the Liberal/NATO bots. Their ZMSM propaganda lines have fallen flat. All the bravado, all the "Russia is weak", "NATO will deal with Russia", "Russian Ruble will collapse", and, "Russia dare not annex parts of Ukraine", and a whole lot more - all these claims have turned out to be a hoax.

I feel for them, ZMSM, JC alliance, and NATO have let them down.

Love it. Reduced to character assassination now.
 
Yesterday’s Putin rant was comical as well as tragic.

He annexed 4 oblasts, of which he has already lost control of one, never had control of the capital city of a second, and has his troops besieged in a third.

Any source for this part? I see nothing on the news.
 
Got to feel for the Liberal/NATO bots. Their ZMSM propaganda lines have fallen flat. All the bravado, all the "Russia is weak", "NATO will deal with Russia", "Russian Ruble will collapse", and, "Russia dare not annex parts of Ukraine", and a whole lot more - all these claims have turned out to be a hoax.

I feel for them, ZMSM, JC alliance, and NATO have let them down.

Love it. Reduced to character assassination now.

Indeed.

I think Putin has checkmated them. Ruble didn't collapse; it actually experienced a growth.

Russia is victorious overall.
 
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Indeed.

I think Putin has checkmated them. Ruble didn't collapse; it actually experienced a growth.

Russia is victorious overall.

Think? Putin has NATO and its poodle members by the crown jewels.

Putin has won, fair and square, and Liberal/NATO bots can cry all they want, because all they have is hypocrisy - my skin and religion is better than yours.

As James said, this is bad vs. bad, and West had the perfect opportunity to be the better ‘man’, by negotiating peace first, but no, they decided to go all guns blazing, and in the process not only lost support from India and China, but have battered their NATO members to kingdom come with the reverse effect of sanctions.

Here’s the best part, these same liberals and NATO warriors were hoping Senile Biden would come to the rescue, when in actual fact he is worse than Trump.

If Trump was in power, we’d be in a more peaceful and resilient position.

You get what you pay for - as the old adage goes.
 
Wonder what bones is going to say when russia loses lyman , their troops are already encircled and trapped .

It's a city in the donetsk oblast which is one of the four regions of putins New Russia yet ukraine continues to hold large areas and is attacking and reclaiming parts under russia.

Bones I told you putins speech of annexation was just white noise .

You can only claim annexation if the whole four regions are in russias control in first place .

Lyman has fallen.
 
Think? Putin has NATO and its poodle members by the crown jewels.

Putin has won, fair and square, and Liberal/NATO bots can cry all they want, because all they have is hypocrisy - my skin and religion is better than yours.

As James said, this is bad vs. bad, and West had the perfect opportunity to be the better ‘man’, by negotiating peace first, but no, they decided to go all guns blazing, and in the process not only lost support from India and China, but have battered their NATO members to kingdom come with the reverse effect of sanctions.

Here’s the best part, these same liberals and NATO warriors were hoping Senile Biden would come to the rescue, when in actual fact he is worse than Trump.

If Trump was in power, we’d be in a more peaceful and resilient position.

You get what you pay for - as the old adage goes.

your levels of delusion are quite staggering. Putin hasn't won... he he is now losing on the battlefield. His annexation is a last desperate play to get Ukraine to negotiate.

Looks like they haven't fallen for it.
 
your levels of delusion are quite staggering. Putin hasn't won... he he is now losing on the battlefield. His annexation is a last desperate play to get Ukraine to negotiate.

Looks like they haven't fallen for it.

Putin’s annexation was his goal, he duped you, and your masters, and there is nothing you can do about it.

Today is the dawn of a new era, and NATO isn’t part of it.

Your lot are history.
 
your levels of delusion are quite staggering. Putin hasn't won... he he is now losing on the battlefield. His annexation is a last desperate play to get Ukraine to negotiate.

Looks like they haven't fallen for it.

Russia was running referendums inside Ukraine. The US and their proxy watched in frustration knowing they couldn't do anything about it. The Ukranians have gone through 8 waves mobilisation, they are quite literally scraping the bottom for more people to fight.

The Russians haven't even introduced their partially mobilised units into the battlefield yet, that's going to happen soon.
 
It is clear NATO members in Europe are begging for Russian gas now, but Amreekan masters have sent their poodles back to the dark ages by sabotaging the Nord pipeline.

Hip hip hooray! Amreeka has enursed Europe is toast, and Putin didn’t even lift a finger.
 
You want to know how weak and feeble NATO is? Putin pulled the same stunt in 2014 with Crimea; you’d think NATO would’ve learned their lesson, but no, they fell for Putin’s war games; hook, line, and sinker. Made easier with senile Biden ar the helm.

Utmost embarrassment for the JC alliance.

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

:)))
 
Putin’s annexation was his goal, he duped you, and your masters, and there is nothing you can do about it.

Today is the dawn of a new era, and NATO isn’t part of it.

Your lot are history.

thats ok then, i mean the UK and co were evil for empire building in the past.. its ok for Russia though.

Hypocrite
 
There you go bones

Ukraine has taken lymen in donetsk oblast which is part of donbas.

Russia took lyman with great difficulty and now its back with ukraine.

Was it a strategic surrender?

6000 russian troops must have given up they are worse than isis even they fought down to their last man in Syria and Iraq and usa was pummelling them
 
There you go bones

Ukraine has taken lymen in donetsk oblast which is part of donbas.

Russia took lyman with great difficulty and now its back with ukraine.

Was it a strategic surrender?

6000 russian troops must have given up they are worse than isis even they fought down to their last man in Syria and Iraq and usa was pummelling them


Russia has generally been beaten quite badly on the battle field. Both they and Ukraine are losers in this war.

Uncle Sam is laughing.
 
Just reading breaking news, Russian defence ministry says they have left Lymen.

Poor defeat
 
Looks like a slaughter... all because Putin refused to allow them to surrender or fall back.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Congress just voted to send another $12,300,000,000 to Ukraine! <br><br>At what point do you say enough is enough? <br><br>Why aren't we putting America's best interests first?</p>— Mayra Flores (@MayraFlores2022) <a href="https://twitter.com/MayraFlores2022/status/1575938674503864320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 30, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Congress just voted to send another $12,300,000,000 to Ukraine! <br><br>At what point do you say enough is enough? <br><br>Why aren't we putting America's best interests first?</p>— Mayra Flores (@MayraFlores2022) <a href="https://twitter.com/MayraFlores2022/status/1575938674503864320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 30, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yup.

Looks like America wants to go broke further.
 
There you go bones

Ukraine has taken lymen in donetsk oblast which is part of donbas.

Russia took lyman with great difficulty and now its back with ukraine.

Was it a strategic surrender?

It should be clear to everyone now the Russians are more than happy to give up territory and live to fight another day. The AFU on the hand are not.

I suspect more territory will go before is recaptured with the mobilised forces entering the arena.

You guys should read up on military history, taking and losing territory is normal. It's the end result that counts and the end result will always be a Russian win unlesx NATO puts boots on the ground planes in the sky.
 
No mention of the huge losses in the kherson counter offensive. But MSM is all over the retreats in the east.
 
You guys should read up on military history, taking and losing territory is normal. It's the end result that counts and the end result will always be a Russian win unlesx NATO puts boots on the ground planes in the sky.

This part is true.

It's all about the final result. So far, Russia has been the winner overall.
 
It should be clear to everyone now the Russians are more than happy to give up territory and live to fight another day. The AFU on the hand are not.

I suspect more territory will go before is recaptured with the mobilised forces entering the arena.

You guys should read up on military history, taking and losing territory is normal. It's the end result that counts and the end result will always be a Russian win unlesx NATO puts boots on the ground planes in the sky.

How many times in history has territory been lost a few days after declaring a referendum and then declaring the areas are yours forever?
 
So last night cpleigh started boasting about Ukraine's NATO application. Does he know that the requirement is that all members must vote unanimously and this is the key point, not be in a conflict.

My understanding was always that it was a long and thorough process, even if they speed it up, it's not going to happen before the end of this conflict or soon after.
 
How many times in history has territory been lost a few days after declaring a referendum and then declaring the areas are yours forever?

I don't know of any but by annexing these regions the Russians have sent a clear message, attacking these lands is an attack on Russia. The stakes have risen for everyone. Russia are sending 300k men -this will Change the shape of the battlefield.
 
Some intelligence expert / idiot on Sky news claiming that Russia blew up the pipelines. When it's the other way around they want investigations but in the case of Russia the verdict is given at the outset.
 
So last night cpleigh started boasting about Ukraine's NATO application. Does he know that the requirement is that all members must vote unanimously and this is the key point, not be in a conflict.

My understanding was always that it was a long and thorough process, even if they speed it up, it's not going to happen before the end of this conflict or soon after.

Where and how did I boast?? I was mocking Russia for declaring the reason the war started was to stop Ukraine applying for membership.

I actually think if Putin was smart he'd urge ukraine to drop the Donbass for NATO membership
 
It should be clear to everyone now the Russians are more than happy to give up territory and live to fight another day. The AFU on the hand are

Putin annexed Lyman and the rest of Donetsk Oblast yesterday, and told its newly “liberated” citizens, who were suddenly Russian, that Russia would never desert them.

And within 24 hours it has.

“Annexation” changed everything. Because now Putin is surrendering places which are supposedly part of Russia.

By the way, Baalbek Airport in Sevastopol, Crimea has suffered a massive explosion in the last hour.

Putin seems to be allowing a foreign power to attack fully integrated parts of Mother Russia.
 
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