Russia invades Ukraine

[KingKhanWC]

It doesn’t really matter.

Ukraine is bulldozing through Russian-occupied lands just thanks to American and British support. The Russian collapse is so total and so widespread that they are likely to lose outright this year, with regime change in Moscow pretty much a certainty now.

Russia lost with the best troops and most modern weapons. Untrained conscripts with ancient weapons are just going to take the quick route to a body bag.

lol. You've been saying this for months.

Ukranians are not taking any significant land and will never get back the regions which are part of the Russian Federation. Russia is not an old Aborignial land where Brits came to wipe them out.

When are you heading to Ukraine?

I didn’t patronise Russians. I criticised Putin for election rigging, murdering journalists and controlling Russian mass media.

You avoided my question. Am I to assume that you prefer despotic states to democracies, as long as the despots keep the trains running on time?

I think Russians are smart enough to know if their leader is a despot, they dont feel this way and no amount of BBC propaganda will change their minds. So we have to respect the Russian people.

I prefer a just ruler, democracies are a fake form of government where public is fooled like children. Islamic system of rule is best but this is for another thread.

 

[bones]

As bad as it is for Europe this winter, spare a thought for the Ukrainians who will suffer much more. Could have been avoided if they didn’t break the Minsk Accords.

 

[KingKhanWC]

As bad as it is for Europe this winter, spare a thought for the Ukrainians who will suffer much more. Could have been avoided if they didn’t break the Minsk Accords.

I believe the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant provides around 50-60% of Ukraine's electric.

Now Russia has confirmed its part/under the Russian federation. Putin just needs to hit the switch now.

Ukraine must negotiate or in next few months they will face serious problems.

 

[Junaids]

Russia’s humiliation is almost complete.

Armenia and Azerbaijan are to hold peace talks next week mediated by President Macron and EU council chief Charles Michel.

Russia can no longer influence the countries in its sphere of (lost) influence.

Every humiliation on the battlefield is diminishing Russia’s status and power.

What’s left? Putin has destroyed his own conventional forces, and Russia is now weaker than Latvia or Vietnam.

He was always a half-witted bully, and he kept pushing his luck like dictators do.

And now Putin is about to die like dictators do.

 

[Junaids]

I believe the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant provides around 50-60% of Ukraine's electric.

Now Russia has confirmed its part/under the Russian federation. Putin just needs to hit the switch now.

Ukraine must negotiate or in next few months they will face serious problems.

Wow. Just wow.

You really have understood almost nothing about this war.

The residents of southern and eastern Ukraine have been without power for months, and in many cases without walls or ceilings. Russia has wrecked everything.

Do you think that that will make the rape victim give the rapist their belongings?

Russia is getting demolished on the battlefield. The only people talking about negotiation are the Russians who are desperate to freeze the current lines of control before they can lose even more.

The only items up for negotiation are:

1. Russia’s unconditional surrender and exit from every inch of Ukraine, including Crimea.

2. Russia’s payment of reparations to cover every dollar of damage done to Ukraine.

Otherwise, no thanks. We will keep supporting Ukraine to defeat Russia. After all, every day this war continues just diminishes Russia’s conventional armed forces even further. There’s really no hurry!

 

[Junaids]

It’s extraordinary that the Russia apologists on this thread are completely blind to:

1. The fact that their side is full of unsavoury fascists.

2. The fact that their side has alienated almost all Russian-speaking Ukrainians and that Russia’s supposed care for them was always just a pretext and a lie.

3. The fact that Russia is getting smashed to pieces militarily.

 

[bones]

Watched 3 different translations of Zelensky's speech. He is asking for nuclear weapons to be used on Russia. Is this the clown people hail as a hero?

 

[Technics 1210]

Watched 3 different translations of Zelensky's speech. He is asking for nuclear weapons to be used on Russia. Is this the clown people hail as a hero?

He was a comedian though, so it figures.

I am sure he is vying the next photoshoot with Hello! magazine.

 

[Robert]

I think Russians are smart enough to know if their leader is a despot, they dont feel this way and no amount of BBC propaganda will change their minds. So we have to respect the Russian people.

I prefer a just ruler, democracies are a fake form of government where public is fooled like children. Islamic system of rule is best but this is for another thread.

Russians only experienced democracy for about ten years. They were ruled by the despotic Romanovs for centuries. Then they were ruled by despotic communists for seventy years. Then democratic liberal institutions did not have time bed down as oligarchs took control of the public utilities and became hyper rich, and the most ruthless one (Putin) subjugated the others.

So the Russian people have no experience of freedom, of anything other than despots for many centuries, apart from drunk incompetent Yeltsin for about ten of them. Despots are normal for them, be the despots aristocrats, commissars, or gangsters like Putin.

Some of the smaller nations subjugated by Russia did figure this out and when their democracies started to bed down, rushed to join a gang called NATO for protection from Russian despots.

Never mind the BBC. Anyone can figure this out for themselves by reading actual books. Some of us still do that.

But thanks for admitting that you think democracy is no good. I note that it has brought about a vast improvement in the freedom and wealth of the people. It’s not perfect but it’s the best system humans have so far tried. It’s truly sad to me that so many in this thread side with the monster, clearly valuing their own freedom so cheaply. Slave mentality.

 

[Junaids]

Watched 3 different translations of Zelensky's speech. He is asking for nuclear weapons to be used on Russia. Is this the clown people hail as a hero?

Oh really?

Which speech? Which language?

Which nuclear request?

 

[Robert]

Oh really?

Which speech? Which language?

Which nuclear request?

He used unspecific language to ask the international community to deter Putin’s nuclear threats. Some people thought he asked for a pre-emptive nuclear strike. His press secretary later clarified the language.

https://thehill.com/policy/internat...-action-to-deter-russian-nuclear-strikes/amp/

 

[bones]

He used unspecific language to ask the international community to deter Putin’s nuclear threats. Some people thought he asked for a pre-emptive nuclear strike. His press secretary later clarified the language.

https://thehill.com/policy/internat...-action-to-deter-russian-nuclear-strikes/amp/

If press secretaries are mopping up after the speeches you know that they messed up. Biden's secretary also has to mop up after many of his speeches.

The fact that someone has to clean up when a president's speech involves nuclear weapons talks shows how incompetent these leaders are.

 

[bones]

Other than social media you cannot find any coverage of the protests in Europe against the sanctions on Russia. Germans for example are fed up but MSM refuses to give any airtime.

 

[cpleigh]

Other than social media you cannot find any coverage of the protests in Europe against the sanctions on Russia. Germans for example are fed up but MSM refuses to give any airtime.

Stop lying for Christ sake. A small minority protesting doesn't = Germans are fed up.

You're obsession with 'MSM' is bizarre. I've seen the protests I can easily see them

 

[cpleigh]

If press secretaries are mopping up after the speeches you know that they messed up. Biden's secretary also has to mop up after many of his speeches.

The fact that someone has to clean up when a president's speech involves nuclear weapons talks shows how incompetent these leaders are.

As opposed to Putin who openly threatens people with nuclear weapons?

That's ok though?

 

[bones]

As opposed to Putin who openly threatens people with nuclear weapons?

That's ok though?

Is the Kremlin cleaning up after Putin's speeches? No. So at least they have a leader who is competent enough to give clear messages. Ironically at the Kremlin they often after clean up after the press secretary and not the President.

As for your point regarding Putin's threats, thats how western MSM portrays it but in reality he said what every leader of every country would say. "We will protect our motherland by all means necessary". Not exactly a nuclear threat is it? But even if it is, they operate on a no first strike policy just as the Americans do, something MSM fails to tell their sheep.

 

[bones]

Stop lying for Christ sake. A small minority protesting doesn't = Germans are fed up.

You're obsession with 'MSM' is bizarre. I've seen the protests I can easily see them

Show me the article in DW, EuroNews, BBC etc etc covering the protests in major German cities over the lasy few weeks. They should be highlighted in the relevant sections.

As for MSM, they basically control the masses. People like you who buy anything that comes out from them. Your last post is a prime example, Putin said "we will protect our motherland by all means necessary". MSM twisted that as a direct nuclear threat, every station ran with it, every politician ran with it. Now people like you are running with it too.

Same happened with Bucha. Russians killed and raped, that was the MSM narrative. Politicians ran with, so the people started running with it, including people like you.

 

[cpleigh]

Is the Kremlin cleaning up after Putin's speeches? No. So at least they have a leader who is competent enough to give clear messages. Ironically at the Kremlin they often after clean up after the press secretary and not the President.

As for your point regarding Putin's threats, thats how western MSM portrays it but in reality he said what every leader of every country would say. "We will protect our motherland by all means necessary". Not exactly a nuclear threat is it? But even if it is, they operate on a no first strike policy just as the Americans do, something MSM fails to tell their sheep.

Yes actually. After he blusters about Nuclear threats etc the Kremlin always 'clarify' their position.

Your point about first strike policy isn't strictly true, Russias doctrine allows a Nuclear strike in retaliation to 'aggression against Russia federation with conventional weapons'

 

[cpleigh]

Show me the article in DW, EuroNews, BBC etc etc covering the protests in major German cities over the lasy few weeks. They should be highlighted in the relevant sections.

As for MSM, they basically control the masses. People like you who buy anything that comes out from them. Your last post is a prime example, Putin said "we will protect our motherland by all means necessary". MSM twisted that as a direct nuclear threat, every station ran with it, every politician ran with it. Now people like you are running with it too.

Same happened with Bucha. Russians killed and raped, that was the MSM narrative. Politicians ran with, so the people started running with it, including people like you.

Best stick to RT and Indian news then lad... much better sources.

Just knock it off with the Bucha rubbish. It's highly offensive, innocent civilians being murdered and tortured.

 

[bones]

Best stick to RT and Indian news then lad... much better sources.

Just knock it off with the Bucha rubbish. It's highly offensive, innocent civilians being murdered and tortured.

I've told you repeatedly I refer to alternative media.

As for Bucha, it is offensive indeed that the Ukranians would kill these civilians and then pin the blame on the Russians.

 

[cpleigh]

I've told you repeatedly I refer to alternative media.

As for Bucha, it is offensive indeed that the Ukranians would kill these civilians and then pin the blame on the Russians.

Seriously just shut up with your ridiculous Russian tripe.

 

[bones]

Seriously just shut up with your ridiculous Russian tripe.

If you disagree/dislike someone's posts please do use the ignore feature that PP has in place. No need for rudeness.

 

[cpleigh]

If you disagree/dislike someone's posts please do use the ignore feature that PP has in place. No need for rudeness.

It shouldn't have room for blatant lies that are extremely offensive to people who have been murdered either

 

[Junaids]

It shouldn't have room for blatant lies that are extremely offensive to people who have been murdered either

That is the fundamental problem with this thread.
[MENTION=135003]bones[/MENTION] has repeated the discredited lie that there was no massacre of civilians at Bucha.

But there are the dead bodies in mass graves - including 9 children - and the hundreds of raped women who the denialism really spits in the face of.

I don’t know why posters have the “freedom of speech” to deny proven atrocities. Next they will go back to saying the Nazis did the Katyn Forest massacre!

 

[Technics 1210]

The classic MSM traits are on full display here. If a view doesn’t agree with their narrative, the accusations of lies and racism come out in full flow.

This thread has a teenager, a Doctor, and a Europhile, all gunning the MSM narrative while ignoring their own hypocritical arguments to the point they have no arguments left, and thus resort to accusations while ignoring facts such as Russia has won the economical war and that Western sanctions have backfired.

Now the same collective group want readers to interpret evidence the way they want us to, nope, not happening, because the one thing MSM poodles lack and that is critical thinking. Holding a degree means squat, all it means is one has memorised information, but memorising information doesn’t denote intelligence, because intelligence is the application of knowledge and we have see how many times the MSM apologists have been proven wrong.

So glad we have users like [MENTION=135003]bones[/MENTION] who provide not only the alternate view, but though provoking information for critical thinkers, info, which the MSM herd cannot digest thus reducing them to spew accusations, info, which has vindicated bones too.

As it stands, Russia has won the economical war, reduced Europe to a 3rd world continent, decimated Ukraine, annexed strategical areas of Ukraine, and there’s nothing NATO bots can do anything about it.

The best part, more and more people now question the accuracy MSM, yet its apologists have exposed themselves to be worse than Russia and its so called despot leader by supporting White JC western leaders in crimes against humanity which are far worse than what Putin is being accused of - such as the genocide of Muslims in Europe and illegal wars costing millions of lives abroad for the sake of saving 10p on the litre - this is the horsepukky Western democracy and liberalism which we are told of - the beacon of western civilisation.

Forget Ukraine, the indoctrinated MSM folk are the ones I feel sorry for, one day they might just stand up and think for themselves, let alone go fight for Ukraine.

Win/win/win/win for Putin.

 

[Technics 1210]

To add, NATO/MSM bots do not give a damn about Ukraine or its citizens, these were the same lot ridiculing Ukrainians for racism before the war.

If these lot cared they’d taken in a few Ukrainian refugees. No they only care about the demise of Putin/Russia, and if tomorrow Iran was at war with Russia, these same bots would be supporting Iran.

They have no principles, just pent up aggression and hate.

 

[Gilly]

To add, NATO/MSM bots do not give a damn about Ukraine or its citizens, these were the same lot ridiculing Ukrainians for racism before the war.

If these lot cared they’d taken in a few Ukrainian refugees. No they only care about the demise of Putin/Russia, and if tomorrow Iran was at war with Russia, these same bots would be supporting Iran.

They have no principles, just pent up aggression and hate.

They should round up all the bots and put them in prison.

 

[Sidilicious]

Stop lying for Christ sake. A small minority protesting doesn't = Germans are fed up.

You're obsession with 'MSM' is bizarre. I've seen the protests I can easily see them

I live in Germany. People here are prepared to have a tough winter, if it helps Ukraine.

No point responding to him, because you know he is lying

 

[Technics 1210]

They should round up all the bots and put them in prison.

Just the NATO bots, only because in this entire thread they have proven they are not interested in peace, or achieving peace, never mentioned the prospect of aiming for peace with the likes of Russia. Total warmongering bots - lets just annihilate those with different values and cultures to the NATO members.

On top of this the daylight hypocrisy they display is remarkable. The leaders, ideology, actions, which they support and espouse are equality, and more so, guilty compared with the criticism they hurl towards Russia.

The only difference is that NATO bots prefer the lesser of 2 evils, because its better to side with the devil you know than don't, especially if the devil is, white.

Western Liberal Democracy at its finest.

 

[Technics 1210]

So sad and pathetic to see NATO bots denying there is an energy and cost of living crisis in Europe which was the result of Western economic sanctions on Russia - for the sake of bolstering their indoctrinated lies.

 

[sweep_shot]

So sad and pathetic to see NATO bots denying there is an energy and cost of living crisis in Europe which was the result of Western economic sanctions on Russia - for the sake of bolstering their indoctrinated lies.

Yeah.

They not just deny but also double down. I guess 2-3 harsh winters can give them a reality check.

 

[Technics 1210]

I also love how NATO bots talk about free speech and journalism in the West.

Facebook red-flagged users who questioned 2020 election to FBI: report

https://tvpworld.com/62785656/facebook-redflagged-users-who-questioned-2020-election-to-fbi-report

In the West, yes West, on FB, if you question the Election of 2020, speak against the incumbent government, your posts (PUBLIC AND PRIVATE) are flagged and forwarded to the FBI. This is no different to what Liberals accuse Russia/China of.

Welcome to ideology that is Liberal Democracy.

Tsk tsk.

 

[Technics 1210]

Yeah.

They not just deny but also double down. I guess 2-3 harsh winters can give them a reality check.

2 or 3? 1 is enough, we witnessed how the BoE had to intervene to prevent a collapse in the GBP, and winter is not even here! All in response to increasing affordability for the common man to pay winter bills!

But will NATO bots question the sanctions that lead to this mess? No, because their response is - It is a price worth paying.

Liberalism is the stealth destruction of humanity, and worse than Nazism.

 

[sweep_shot]

I also love how NATO bots talk about free speech and journalism in the West.

Facebook red-flagged users who questioned 2020 election to FBI: report

https://tvpworld.com/62785656/facebook-redflagged-users-who-questioned-2020-election-to-fbi-report

In the West, yes West, on FB, if you question the Election of 2020, speak against the incumbent government, your posts (PUBLIC AND PRIVATE) are flagged and forwarded to the FBI. This is no different to what Liberals accuse Russia/China of.

Welcome to ideology that is Liberal Democracy.

Tsk tsk.

They only recognize free speech if it is in sync with their narrative.

If not, they label it as misinformation, bigotry etc.

 

[Technics 1210]

They only recognize free speech if it is in sync with their narrative.

If not, they label it as misinformation, bigotry etc.

Add the following :

Enemy of the state
Fascist
Racist
Russian Bot
Chinese Bot
Arab Bot

and so on . . .

To top it off, Western media will BLOCK you and your views.

People do not realise it but we do not live in a free society in the West, not even by a country mile. Every action, word, web page we visit, financial transaction - all recorded and forwarded to the relevant authorities.

Meanwhile lets compare with dictatorships and authoritarian governments to make ourselves feel better while non-democratic nations have progressed economically beyond the wildest dreams of the West. This is why West is drown in debt, and Russia, China, UAE etc are swimming in prosperity.

Oh, the East are not stocking up on candles this winter, but Western Liberals Democracies, are. I hope they are scented.

 

[Technics 1210]

Belarus, Ukraine and Russia activists win Nobel Peace Prize.

Any one who thinks these prizes are based on merit needs a wake up call.

These awards are rigged through and through, and in this case, it is clear to see why!

 

[Robert]

Is the Kremlin cleaning up after Putin's speeches? No. So at least they have a leader who is competent enough to give clear messages. Ironically at the Kremlin they often after clean up after the press secretary and not the President.

Ah, that makes nuclear threats ok then.

 

[Technics 1210]

Lets stop beating round the bush. We knew this day would come when the threat of Nuclear War is real.

West should stop crying because:

- Amreeka is the only nation to have dropped nukes on another nation.

- Amreeka brought the world to the brink of nuclear war during the Cuban missile crisis.

- Amreeka and its NATO poodles goad and threaten other nuclear powers such as Russia and China.

Play with fire and you will get burnt.

Stop crying and blaming others, go protest and bring about a democratic change in the West, values which liberals always champion and remind us of; go enforce a change which ushers peace, not war.

 

[bones]

Ah, that makes nuclear threats ok then.

It wasn't a nuclear threat. But keep watching BBC and CNN and believe this stuff.

 

[Robert]

It wasn't a nuclear threat. But keep watching BBC and CNN and believe this stuff.

Yeah I will because I trust them not to tell lies - they are based in countries where journalists can ask awkward questions of their governments and not get assassinated.

 

[bones]

Yeah I will because I trust them not to tell lies - they are based in countries where journalists can ask awkward questions of their governments and not get assassinated.

Read the transcript and make a judgement for yourself. He said he would use any means necessary to protect Russia. Is that any different to what any other leader would say?

 

[Technics 1210]

Countries like USA and UK who want Julian Assange in jail for exposing Western lies by revealing the truth.

Dr. Kelly also springs to mind, and of course it was the BBC that surpressed the evils of Jimmy Saville, to name but a few.

But no Russian media is lying, Western media are saints despite being the biggest perpetrators of fake news - Iraq 2003.

You just couldn't make it up.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Wow. Just wow.

You really have understood almost nothing about this war.

The residents of southern and eastern Ukraine have been without power for months, and in many cases without walls or ceilings. Russia has wrecked everything.

Do you think that that will make the rape victim give the rapist their belongings?

Russia is getting demolished on the battlefield. The only people talking about negotiation are the Russians who are desperate to freeze the current lines of control before they can lose even more.

The only items up for negotiation are:

1. Russia’s unconditional surrender and exit from every inch of Ukraine, including Crimea.

2. Russia’s payment of reparations to cover every dollar of damage done to Ukraine.

Otherwise, no thanks. We will keep supporting Ukraine to defeat Russia. After all, every day this war continues just diminishes Russia’s conventional armed forces even further. There’s really no hurry!

6 months , same old broken record.

Have the Nazis taken Kherson City, Mariuopol or Crimea? Not sure if your understanding of demolition is accurate.

Those areas are part of the Russian Federation now! Not even Uncle Sam's Uncle Samuel can conquer these lands now.

Russia has now started its new onslaught, overnight hundreds of Ukranian troops have perished.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Russians only experienced democracy for about ten years. They were ruled by the despotic Romanovs for centuries. Then they were ruled by despotic communists for seventy years. Then democratic liberal institutions did not have time bed down as oligarchs took control of the public utilities and became hyper rich, and the most ruthless one (Putin) subjugated the others.

So the Russian people have no experience of freedom, of anything other than despots for many centuries, apart from drunk incompetent Yeltsin for about ten of them. Despots are normal for them, be the despots aristocrats, commissars, or gangsters like Putin.

Some of the smaller nations subjugated by Russia did figure this out and when their democracies started to bed down, rushed to join a gang called NATO for protection from Russian despots.

Never mind the BBC. Anyone can figure this out for themselves by reading actual books. Some of us still do that.

But thanks for admitting that you think democracy is no good. I note that it has brought about a vast improvement in the freedom and wealth of the people. It’s not perfect but it’s the best system humans have so far tried. It’s truly sad to me that so many in this thread side with the monster, clearly valuing their own freedom so cheaply. Slave mentality.

This is very disprectful to Russians. Imo Russians are more politically aware compared to Brits, who are being fooled by democracy and esp thinking their politicians care, not to mention living in the past glorys thinking UK could defeat Russia, this is idiotic as it gets. Russians on the other hand know how it felt being in the Soviet Union collapse. Putin came and changed their fortunes, many Russians now have a better standard of living compared to Brits. Putin cares for Russians, Russians know this. British leaders dont care for their people, most sane Brits know this too.

Democracy hasnt bought me anything, I believe in myself to do well in any situation. I think its mainly old white Europeans who are slaves to their past. We are just speaking the truth, please try this instead of weak insults.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Lets stop beating round the bush. We knew this day would come when the threat of Nuclear War is real.

West should stop crying because:

- Amreeka is the only nation to have dropped nukes on another nation.

- Amreeka brought the world to the brink of nuclear war during the Cuban missile crisis.

- Amreeka and its NATO poodles goad and threaten other nuclear powers such as Russia and China.

Play with fire and you will get burnt.

Stop crying and blaming others, go protest and bring about a democratic change in the West, values which liberals always champion and remind us of; go enforce a change which ushers peace, not war.

Here is the mad crazy leader demanding Nato/West hit Russia with nukes in a premptive strike.

Any Nato cheerleaders willing to agree with this clown?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yeah I will because I trust them not to tell lies - they are based in countries where journalists can ask awkward questions of their governments and not get assassinated.

I would keep with the side you're supporting first.

The Jewish leader of Ukraine wants a preemptive strikes on Russia. Do you want the UK to use Trident in a preemptive attack on Russia? See video above.

There is only one side which are evil warmongers, see recent history of Yanks and Brits and Europeans, the damage they have done to much of the world. Thankfully finally a power has emerged to stand up to these bullies who we now know are actually cowards.

 

[sweep_shot]

Here is the mad crazy leader demanding Nato/West hit Russia with nukes in a premptive strike.

Any Nato cheerleaders willing to agree with this clown?

Damn!

Is he high or something? Does he think nuking Russia is a good news for Ukraine? Ukraine is likely to get nuked too.

 

[KingKhanWC]

People in Poland are burning garbage, and Romania is capping firewood prices as desperation grows amid Europe's energy crisis

https://markets.businessinsider.com...urns-trash-romania-firewood-price-cap-2022-10

I would urge Europeans not to burn Rubbish, this isnt good for the air, pollution isnt good for health.

Europeans will become more savage like if this continues.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Damn!

Is he high or something? Does he think nuking Russia is a good news for Ukraine? Ukraine is likely to get nuked too.

He is a lunatic. He makes the Joker out of the Dark Knight look a nice chap.

His idea is for Nato to nuke Russia so much, they will not want to use nukes themselves. lol.

This clown is being shown as some superhero in the west.

Not a peep on BBC about this.

 

[sweep_shot]

This is very disprectful to Russians. Imo Russians are more politically aware compared to Brits, who are being fooled by democracy and esp thinking their politicians care, not to mention living in the past glorys thinking UK could defeat Russia, this is idiotic as it gets. Russians on the other hand know how it felt being in the Soviet Union collapse. Putin came and changed their fortunes, many Russians now have a better standard of living compared to Brits. Putin cares for Russians, Russians know this. British leaders dont care for their people, most sane Brits know this too.

Democracy hasnt bought me anything, I believe in myself to do well in any situation. I think its mainly old white Europeans who are slaves to their past. We are just speaking the truth, please try this instead of weak insults.

I agree.

Some people put too much emphasize on democracy like it is some kind of model to follow. It is not.

 

[mazkhan]

He is a lunatic. He makes the Joker out of the Dark Knight look a nice chap.

His idea is for Nato to nuke Russia so much, they will not want to use nukes themselves. lol.

This clown is being shown as some superhero in the west.

Not a peep on BBC about this.

That's why I'm disappointed in putin

They should have taken zelensky out with airstrikes this is where russia lacks when compared to usa or Israel.

The ukranian parliament and the kiev Centre should have been flattened with a foab.

Usa never held back in its invasion

 

[KingKhanWC]

That's why I'm disappointed in putin

They should have taken zelensky out with airstrikes this is where russia lacks when compared to usa or Israel.

The ukranian parliament and the kiev Centre should have been flattened with a foab.

Usa never held back in its invasion

Russia is not a terrorist nation like Israel or USA. Its objective was and is to liberate people.

What you should be considering is why so many see Zelensky as a hero in the west? He is happy for a nuclear war to take place resulting in the destruction of planet inc your family.

 

[cpleigh]

Russia is not a terrorist nation like Israel or USA. Its objective was and is to liberate people.

What you should be considering is why so many see Zelensky as a hero in the west? He is happy for a nuclear war to take place resulting in the destruction of planet inc your family.

Keep crying... Yours boys are taking an absolute beating now.

When has zelensky even mentioned a nuclear war? He hasnt... Where as Putin constantly threatens it.

It's boring now. That's all Russia has .. actually it probably doesn't judging by its current army

 

[KingKhanWC]

Keep crying... Yours boys are taking an absolute beating now.

When has zelensky even mentioned a nuclear war? He hasnt... Where as Putin constantly threatens it.

It's boring now. That's all Russia has .. actually it probably doesn't judging by its current army

Try the video above.

Do you support a preemptive nuclear strike on Russia?

Ps How old are you?

 

[cpleigh]

Try the video above.

Do you support a preemptive nuclear strike on Russia?

Ps How old are you?

Did he once say ' launch a premitive nuclear strike'?

The answer is No

 

[cpleigh]

Try the video above.

Do you support a preemptive nuclear strike on Russia?

Ps How old are you?

39

 

[Technics 1210]

Here is the mad crazy leader demanding Nato/West hit Russia with nukes in a premptive strike.

Any Nato cheerleaders willing to agree with this clown?

Exactly! It's ok for the West to threaten others with Nukes, but the moment another nation threatens the West, it's time to pull out the Kleenex.

As I have said, and observed, not a single NATO apologist in this thread is open to peace with Russia - Not. A. Single. One. They prefer war over peace - It's is a price worth paying - but head for the Aloe Vera coated Kleenex when the likes of Russia plays by the same playbook as the West. This is the precise reason the West enjoy bullying weaker nations with military and economic assault.

Decades of post war indoctrination is to blame too - The Russians are always the bad guys - but the critical thinkers know the truth, the West needs a bogeyman to not only control society, but to generate an economy through war with expansion of JC imperialism.

The game is up.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Did he once say ' launch a premitive nuclear strike'?

The answer is No

Again, how old are you?

What do you think he meant by hitting them first, referring to nuclear weapons?

Im sure his masters in Washington have now told him off.

 

[Technics 1210]

Again, how old are you?

What do you think he meant by hitting them first, referring to nuclear weapons?

Im sure his masters in Washington have now told him off.

A Teenager, a Doctor, and a Europhile walk into a bar . . . . .

The perfect premise for humour.

 

[Technics 1210]

Westerners should stock up on candles, I see Amazon are doing a great deal on scented Lavender and Citrus. Stock up now to lock in bargain basement prices!

 

[cpleigh]

Again, how old are you?

What do you think he meant by hitting them first, referring to nuclear weapons?

Im sure his masters in Washington have now told him off.

Hit them first before they can use them. That doesn't mean nukes. NATO could put Russia back too the stone age with conventional weapons

 

[cpleigh]

Westerners should stock up on candles, I see Amazon are doing a great deal on scented Lavender and Citrus. Stock up now to lock in bargain basement prices!

Crack on. I won't. I won't need too.

 

[Technics 1210]

Zelensky's staff forced to clarify statement after president suggests 'preemptive strike' on Russia

https://kyivindependent.com/news-fe...resident-suggests-preventive-strike-on-russia

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

I thought Senile Biden and Trojan Truss were champions of U-Turns, but looks like Zelensky remains a clown for suggesting NATO should launch a preemptive nuclear strike on Russia, only for his masters to reign him in.

 

[cpleigh]

Again... Did he call for a premitive strike?...

 

[KingKhanWC]

Hit them first before they can use them. That doesn't mean nukes. NATO could put Russia back too the stone age with conventional weapons

When will Nato starting hitting them? Do you have a date in mind?

Zelensky's staff forced to clarify statement after president suggests 'preemptive strike' on Russia

https://kyivindependent.com/news-fe...resident-suggests-preventive-strike-on-russia

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

I thought Senile Biden and Trojan Truss were champions of U-Turns, but looks like Zelensky remains a clown for suggesting NATO should launch a preemptive nuclear strike on Russia, only for his masters to reign him in.

Yep, they had to slap his little hand for making such a idiotic demand. Any nuclear strike on Russia will result in strong retaliation and mutual destruction.

But Ukraine supporters are living in a Disney movie.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Crack on. I won't. I won't need too.

You could try burning garbage like the Poles? Just print off your posts on here.

 

[Technics 1210]

You could try burning garbage like the Poles? Just print off your posts on here.

Petrol stations and Amazon are doing great deals on coal too! Back to burning coal to keep warm - just like the good old days. With a winter BBQ thrown in for good measure and the giggles. 2 in 1 solution!

Where is Gretta Thunberg when you need her?

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[Abel Reames]

Liz Truss also said that the sanctions were working earlier this year. This week she blamed the inflation on Putin. If the sanctions are working why blame Putin?

My point about Italian PM Meloni saying that sanctions were working against Russian wasn't alluding to the probity of the claim but responding to KKWC's point that Meloni was like Orban and the Italian people voted for her on the basis of her pro - Russian stance. If she truly had a pro- Russian stance she would be free to echo Orban's statements that sanctions were not working against Putin.

 

[Technics 1210]

When will Nato starting hitting them? Do you have a date in mind?



Yep, they had to slap his little hand for making such a idiotic demand. Any nuclear strike on Russia will result in strong retaliation and mutual destruction.

But Ukraine supporters are living in a Disney movie.

Any nuclear strike, preemptive or not, is suicide and the end of the West as we know it.

Russia has second and third strike capabilities too.

I would say Ukraine supporters are not just living in a Disney movie, but a video game too.

It is evident that NATO apologists are now afraid of Russia, and afraid of dying of nuclear collateral damage. All those cosy houses with liberal democracy, candles, coal, and a loaf of bread, and a mortgage - vaporised by a Russian nuke.

If it happens, history will not be kind to the aggressive West.

Time NATO apologists and Ukraine supporters prepare their legacies as a historical footnote.

 

[Technics 1210]

Remember NATO apologists: The truth may hurt for a little while but a lie hurts forever - unlike a nuke. You are better off dead than survive a nuclear attack.

 

[Abel Reames]

The thing about MSM is that they have to tell the truth eventually. For example, they can’t hide the fact that Ukraine is suffering huge casualties when droves of ambulances are carrying the wounded north to Kiev. They can’t lie about the economic situation when Russia is making deals and getting lots of money through the collective east.

Eventually tell the truth, okay still better than Russia where journalist telling the truth can get you killed.

I prefer alternative media anyway, they are ahead of MSM. The best way to get the truth about the conflict is to look at the Ukrainian list of people that they consider enemies of the state and start following them. These include people like Douglas MacGregor, Larry Johnson, Ray McGovern and so on. Former US intel and army.

Perhaps but those listed are not neutral either, I prefer to wait it will come out in the wash eventually.

Plus MSM are free to print worse case scenarios, clickbait articles, you know as in we will die of heat in the summer and die of cold in the winter which are manna for the Russophiliacs.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Any nuclear strike, preemptive or not, is suicide and the end of the West as we know it.

Russia has second and third strike capabilities too.

I would say Ukraine supporters are not just living in a Disney movie, but a video game too.

It is evident that NATO apologists are now afraid of Russia, and afraid of dying of nuclear collateral damage. All those cosy houses with liberal democracy, candles, coal, and a loaf of bread, and a mortgage - vaporised by a Russian nuke.

If it happens, history will not be kind to the aggressive West.

Time NATO apologists and Ukraine supporters prepare their legacies as a historical footnote.

It sad to say but it all boils down to the public, their intelligence and knowledge. Any sane public would demand an immediate end to this conflict or at the very least their nations become neutral. There are many in the west who are sane but remain a minority.

Remember this video? "Dont ask me how or why" is still hillarious.

Now we have this...

US buys $290 million in anti-radiation drugs amid Putin’s nuke threats

https://nypost.com/2022/10/07/us-buys-290m-in-anti-radiation-drugs-amid-nuke-fears/

Mr Leigh will you be investing in these?

 

[Abel Reames]

After 9/11 I use to hear American hawk politicians talk about how the 'terrorists' wanted to end 'our' way of life. I use to think that was rubbish that the 'terrorists' wanted to have the Americans not interfere with their lives/countries.

Reading some of the responses on this forum from some posters I am coming to the conclusion that those American hawks were correct.

 

[Technics 1210]

It sad to say but it all boils down to the public, their intelligence and knowledge. Any sane public would demand an immediate end to this conflict or at the very least their nations become neutral. There are many in the west who are sane but remain a minority.

Remember this video? "Dont ask me how or why" is still hillarious.

Now we have this...



https://nypost.com/2022/10/07/us-buys-290m-in-anti-radiation-drugs-amid-nuke-fears/

Mr Leigh will you be investing in these?

The West doing what it does best for its people - drumming up fear! The video starts off with "The big one has hit". Well, where? And does the West think Russia will launch nukes towards a single target? No, multiple targets, and by the time the YouTube video loads (assuming the servers are up), people in the West will turn into stardust.

The video reminds of an Only Fools and Horses episode called - The Russians Are Coming.

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[mazkhan]

Well at least this energy crisis has quietened the green greta thunberg loving lunatic brigade .

Because without supply of fossil fuels economies are gonna tank

 

[KingKhanWC]

After 9/11 I use to hear American hawk politicians talk about how the 'terrorists' wanted to end 'our' way of life. I use to think that was rubbish that the 'terrorists' wanted to have the Americans not interfere with their lives/countries.

Reading some of the responses on this forum from some posters I am coming to the conclusion that those American hawks were correct.

Countries just want Americans to mind their own business. You maybe a hardcore , loyal person to whatever America does, policies inc 4 million dead. This means its US and such supporters who are the terrorists, self defence is a human right.

Please post something sensible related to the thread , otherwise you are going to end up look rather silly.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The West doing what it does best for its people - drumming up fear! The video starts off with "The big one has hit". Well, where? And does the West think Russia will launch nukes towards a single target? No, multiple targets, and by the time the YouTube video loads (assuming the servers are up), people in the West will turn into stardust.

The video reminds of an Only Fools and Horses episode called - The Russians Are Coming.



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Great clip from the best show ever. )
[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] and [MENTION=145891]cpleigh[/MENTION] looks familiar?



Remember guys acc to the US video advert, if a nuke explodes , get inside.! That'll save you ., lol

 

[mazkhan]

In China in the summer there was power outages this affected 1 million electric vehicles and 400000 charging stations who couldn't get any electricity.

In florida just now the fire department has warned electric vehicles are at risk of fire because salt water has affected the batteries and started corrosion which could start fires very hazardous plus extremely difficult to put out.

In uk at one bus garage near London went up in smokes after an electric bus that was charging caught fire and caused millions in damage.

Looks like these carbon neutral brigade never really thought this through properly

 

[Robert]

I would keep with the side you're supporting first.

The Jewish leader of Ukraine wants a preemptive strikes on Russia. Do you want the UK to use Trident in a preemptive attack on Russia? See video above.

There is only one side which are evil warmongers, see recent history of Yanks and Brits and Europeans, the damage they have done to much of the world. Thankfully finally a power has emerged to stand up to these bullies who we now know are actually cowards.

No of course not because it means the end of the world, and in any event UK will never launch first. Trident is a second-strike weapon for reasons I have given before. Land-based ICBMs and MRBMs are first strike weapons and UK has none of those.

Your link is not showing up on my phone for some reason.

With Putin becoming more politically isolated - his lie of a “special military operation” is falling apart at home, with tens of thousands of Russian men fleeing the draft - I hope that he will be removed from power soon. Such is the way with despots. They start to look weak and suddenly get deposed. Hopefully the next guy will be more reasonable and a negotiated settlement can be reached.

 

[Robert]

You could try burning garbage like the Poles? Just print off your posts on here.

It works. We have a dozen energy-from-waste (EFW) incinerators in UK. Should have more as we can no longer export garbage to EU after Brexit, and need more EFW capacity.