Saeed Ajmal still baffled by Sachin Tendulkar lbw reversal

[Krishnan]

Okay thanks for the clarification.

If we take out all the runs Indian players scored in India then none of the Indian players makes it to top 50.

Hope you get what I'm trying to say.

People from outside subcontinent and people from associate nations(who dont even get intnl matches first) dont get to play at all here,and pakistan atleast knows these conditions better than any team other than india and sri lanka

 

[youboy]

People from outside subcontinent and people from associate nations(who dont even get intnl matches first) dont get to play at all here,and pakistan atleast knows these conditions better than any team other than india and sri lanka

Pakistan's matches:

1. PAK vs KEN ( total score 317, Kamran 55, Younus 50, Misbah 65, Umar 71)

2. PAK vs SRI (total score 277, Hafeez 32, Kamran 39, Younus 72, Misbah 83)

3. PAK vs CAN (total score 184, Misbah 37, Umar 48, Shahid 20)

4. PAK vs NZL (total score 302, Pak score 192. Umar Akmal 38, Abdul Razzaq 62, Umar Gul 34)

5. PAK vs ZIM (total score 151, Hafeez 49, Asad Shafiq 78)

6. PAK vs AUS (total score 176, Kamran 23, Asad 46, Younus 31, Umar Akmal 44, Abdul Razzaq 20)

7. PAK vs WI ( Total score 112, Kamran 47, Hafeez 61)

8. PAK vs IND (Total score 260, Hafeez 43, Asad 30, Misbah 56, Umar Akmal 29)

How many scores of 300 plus have they been involved. Only 2. They won 1 and lost 1.

So it does not look like they could have made any individual high scores.
All the team made their contributions throughout the tournament.

It is better than scoring 267/2 and then losing 8 wickets for just 29 runs.

 

[Krishnan]

Pakistan's matches:

1. PAK vs KEN ( total score 317, Kamran 55, Younus 50, Misbah 65, Umar 71)

2. PAK vs SRI (total score 277, Hafeez 32, Kamran 39, Younus 72, Misbah 83)

3. PAK vs CAN (total score 184, Misbah 37, Umar 48, Shahid 20)

4. PAK vs NZL (total score 302, Pak score 192. Umar Akmal 38, Abdul Razzaq 62, Umar Gul 34)

5. PAK vs ZIM (total score 151, Hafeez 49, Asad Shafiq 78)

6. PAK vs AUS (total score 176, Kamran 23, Asad 46, Younus 31, Umar Akmal 44, Abdul Razzaq 20)

7. PAK vs WI ( Total score 112, Kamran 47, Hafeez 61)

8. PAK vs IND (Total score 260, Hafeez 43, Asad 30, Misbah 56, Umar Akmal 29)

How many scores of 300 plus have they been involved. Only 2. They won 1 and lost 1.

So it does not look like they could have made any individual high scores.
All the team made their contributions throughout the tournament.

It is better than scoring 267/2 and then losing 8 wickets for just 29 runs.

That is not the one to be seen.excuses here.y dint they score above 250 against canada.whatever difficult the pitch you are playing one of the down the bottom minnows.except versus windies and zim you had opportunities to score against everyone.dont tell me number of high scores possible only if team scores above 300.even if 220 there is opportunity to get a 100 like dilshan and tharanga both did on that day.And your team did not make a single 100 also i think.

For that matter even netherlands played against india one match and got 160 odd and hence india dint have opportunity to score.But they scored everywhere else.west indies got bangladesh a match out for 58,but someone scored somewhere else and they had smith among top 15.

 

[Gollum]

Don't you guys with Indian flags have a match to watch?

 

[youboy]

That is not the one to be seen.excuses here.y dint they score above 250 against canada.whatever difficult the pitch you are playing one of the down the bottom minnows.except versus windies and zim you had opportunities to score against everyone.dont tell me number of high scores possible only if team scores above 300.even if 220 there is opportunity to get a 100 like dilshan and tharanga both did on that day.And your team did not make a single 100 also i think.

For that matter even netherlands played against india one match and got 160 odd and hence india dint have opportunity to score.But they scored everywhere else.west indies got bangladesh a match out for 58,but someone scored somewhere else and they had smith among top 15.

This is the difference between winning by team work and winning by individual brilliance. We Pakistanis believe in team work. Individual acheivements can get you rave applauses, bring you into record books but cant make you a winning combination always.

Sachin & Sehwag will not always be there to save you.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Don't you guys with Indian flags have a match to watch?

lol

Not worth watching right now....

 

[AJ_27]

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[Fireworks11]

It looks more and more Out the more times you look at it.

 

[1137moiz]

Especially because close tight calls like that are left to the umpire's call

still, no point crying over spilt milk

 

[pakistanbest]

That was a defo dodgy decision and it's sad that the Pakistan players and PCB are not making an issue of this, we have had enough of being cheated through unfair umpiring and now even technology is being tampered with. Anyone who has been watching Cricket for some time will know that LBW is as plumb as they come.

 

[Inzy's Aloo]

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[Sledger]

Time to move on.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Abhi tak bhuule nahi Mohali ko

 

[pakistan_pride1]

Abhi tak bhuule nahi Mohali ko

I will reply to this in a gentlemen's manner as it is a gentlemen's game.(it doesn't matter if you win or lose the game it matters how you play the game). I bet there wouldn't be a better answer then this to your statement.

 

[Romali_rotti]

lol I hope Pak fans are now in full support of UDRS, a lot of em here have been crying to implement it in all matches ..

 

[Bhaijaan]

I will reply to this in a gentlemen's manner as it is a gentlemen's game.(it doesn't matter if you win or lose the game it matters how you play the game). I bet there wouldn't be a better answer then this to your statement.

very gentlemanly

 

[pakistanbest]

No point crying over spilt milk, we flopped and India won though that decision was fishy but that's in the past, onwards and upwards

 

[Bhaijaan]

Hawk eye is gonna get it deleted soon

 

[cricaddict]

:AAG:3dbiggrin

 

[FOB]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkXIn2JE_sE&feature=related

 

[The_Real_Deal]

jeez - get over it!! its history!

 

[guvi]

what is the problem? Sachin played with a forward put and ball landed off side and little turn was there! hawk eye path seems plausible to me! only Pakistanis can make a issue out of it. get over it!

 

[qazi]

Does seem fishy...the impact on pad has clearly been changed...the original was on the side of the pad in front of middle&Off, that's why the ball deflected to the offside after hitting his pad....the review shows it hitting in the middle of the pad, according to physics the ball should then deflect FORWARD of the pad on to the pitch NOT move towards the offside....even the umpire was shaking his head after that one coz it was clear.

On a another note, it wasn't UDRS that dropped 3 catches by tendulkar, that fielded leathargically, or that batted ridiculously chasing 260.

We lost the game because we played bad, and India played well enough to win.
People talk bout the one decision for tendulkar, what difference would it make had it been given, they had tons of good batting down the order, if they had stumped to 75-2 the rest of the batting woulda played sensibly and eventually they woulda got 260+ anyway.

No point crying over the past!

 

[zaid65]

Does seem fishy...the impact on pad has clearly been changed...the original was on the side of the pad in front of middle&Off, that's why the ball deflected to the offside after hitting his pad....the review shows it hitting in the middle of the pad, according to physics the ball should then deflect FORWARD of the pad on to the pitch NOT move towards the offside....even the umpire was shaking his head after that one coz it was clear.

On a another note, it wasn't UDRS that dropped 3 catches by tendulkar, that fielded leathargically, or that batted ridiculously chasing 260.

We lost the game because we played bad, and India played well enough to win.
People talk bout the one decision for tendulkar, what difference would it make had it been given, they had tons of good batting down the order, if they had stumped to 75-2 the rest of the batting woulda played sensibly and eventually they woulda got 260+ anyway.

No point crying over the past!

First of all I don't think people here are saying that this one particular decision was the main reason for the loss. Yes it was a huge decision that goes India's favor and it is shocking that technology made this error ( or error was forcefully made by technology).

Secondly, what you are saying that Indian could have still manage to pull 260 runs, well the answer is yes and no, it is 50/50 probability ( not 100%), but we are not talking about batsman like Kohli or Harbajhan, it was Sachin's decision, who is the best batsman of the world and one decision goes to his favor means, huge advantage to India and they capitalize this advantage and won the game.

 

[imshally81]

jeez - get over it!! its history!

but we should learn from the history .......

 

[alberto]

if you say that sachin lbw is not out you need to get your eyes tested and are biased and know othing about cricket.that stumping by akmal was mighty close next ball

 

[Bleed_Blue]

if you say that sachin lbw is not out you need to get your eyes tested and are biased and know othing about cricket.that stumping by akmal was mighty close next ball

I guess you have more knowledge of cricket than all the gentlemen involved with technology.

 

[mastermind_quad]

this is why we don't want UDRS ....haha...DRS is crap ...

 

[zaid65]

this is why we don't want UDRS ....haha...DRS is crap ...

If UDRS is crap, the umpires are bull crap and glad to see you guys have settled for bull crap ( instead of crap).

 

[Bleed_Blue]

If UDRS is crap, the umpires are bull crap and glad to see you guys have settled for bull crap ( instead of crap).

But we get best umpires for most of our high profile series :dar ufal

 

[Bhaijaan]

We are not smart at using DRS, that's why the players don't wanna have it i guess. They fear that the opposition will use it more smartly to their advantage

 

[alberto]

bleed blue i have the audacity to admit what is right in my eyes

 

[chaiwala]

Secondly, what you are saying that Indian could have still manage to pull 260 runs, well the answer is yes and no, it is 50/50 probability ( not 100%), but we are not talking about batsman like Kohli or Harbajhan, it was Sachin's decision, who is the best batsman of the world and one decision goes to his favor means, huge advantage to India and they capitalize this advantage and won the game.

Kohli is on Harbhajan's batting level now?

 

[abc_to_xyz]

wow! can't believe this thread is still going large =P

 

[USaqaf]

Get over it Ajmal , why dont you improve your performance for a change.
Typical , keep thinking about something in the past, we lost the match move on dude.

 

[Ahsan_8]

Get over it Ajmal , why dont you improve your performance for a change.
Typical , keep thinking about something in the past, we lost the match move on dude.

 

[kak196]

There is no Guarantee that Pakistan would have won that match, if Tendulkar was given out there, so no point in hanging on to it.

 

[endymion248]

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Ajmal was right after all?

 

[Hasan123]

I can remember watching the game and I thought it was out. I was watching the game with some family members and when Sachin reviewed they asked is it out, I said yes dw it's hitting the stump. Was shocked that it missed the stumps

 

[Stark]

Well, it would have been a travesty if a chucker had gotten himself a wicket like that.

All's well that ends well.. eh?

 

[big_gamer007]

Are you bumping a World Cup 2011 thread?? Move on what's done is done..

 

[Statsman]

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Ajmal was right after all?

I expected a video that officially showed that Tendu was out - ICC admitting it or something. Instead this is a some other video that shows the unreliability of hawkeye - something BCCI has been harping about for ages.

So more like "BCCI was right after all".

 

[endymion248]

I expected a video that officially showed that Tendu was out - ICC admitting it or something. Instead this is a some other video that shows the unreliability of hawkeye - something BCCI has been harping about for ages.

So more like "BCCI was right after all".

Both BCCI and Ajmal were right while ICC and Tendulkar were wrong.

 

[Statsman]

Both BCCI and Ajmal were right while ICC and Tendulkar were wrong.

So what should be done now?

 

[HitWicket]

Actually given the issue (if it was a prediction issue) in the video above was height and the issue with the Ajmal-Tendulkar one was line which won't deviate after the ball hits the pad it doesn't really show much at all given all Hawkeye has to do is extend the line for judging the line of the ball.

 

[rhony]

That's all Ajmal can do to be relevant these days. I bet he didn't think everyone would forget him so soon and Yasir would be such a success.

 

[endymion248]

So what should be done now?

An apology from match officials and Hawkeye to Ajmal would be a start - maybe even from Tendulkar as he did benefit from it.

 

[HitWicket]

An apology from match officials and Hawkeye to Ajmal would be a start - maybe even from Tendulkar as he did benefit from it.

Care to explain what you thought would happen when it hit the pad? To suddenly change direction towards leg stump or something rather than just keep going in the direction it was?

 

[endymion248]

Care to explain what you thought would happen when it hit the pad? To suddenly change direction towards leg stump or something rather than just keep going in the direction it was?

The video above showed that Hawkeye makes errors. According to ICC, the marging of error is 5 cm.
As the umpire's decision of ''out'' was overturned based on the ball being a few mm the right of wicket according to hawkeye, it means that the ball was hitting the wicket and the decision should have stayed the same.

 

[endymion248]

The other issue here is that Tendulkar likely clipped the ball with his bat which led Hawkeye to overestimate the lateral spin of Ajmal's ball.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

The other issue here is that Tendulkar likely clipped the ball with his bat which led Hawkeye to overestimate the lateral spin of Ajmal's ball.

You mean he clipped it after hitting his pad right? But that wont make sense since Hawkeye only analyzes till the point it hits the pad.

 

[endymion248]

You mean he clipped it after hitting his pad right? But that wont make sense since Hawkeye only analyzes till the point it hits the pad.

True, had a bit of a missing brain moment there. What do you think, was he out or not?

 

[HitWicket]

The video above showed that Hawkeye makes errors. According to ICC, the marging of error is 5 cm.
As the umpire's decision of ''out'' was overturned based on the ball being a few mm the right of wicket according to hawkeye, it means that the ball was hitting the wicket and the decision should have stayed the same.

1) The figure quoted by the ICC from the MIT research was 1.5 inches which is under 4cm.

2) The figure was a maximum/worst case scenario.

3) The figure was only for vertical predictions. Predictions of line (which was the 'issue' with the Ajmal-Tendulkar decision) are much more simple given all you have to do is extend the line the ball is following rather than predicting the flight and effect of gravity on the ball.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

True, had a bit of a missing brain moment there. What do you think, was he out or not?

I thought it looked out when he gave it and was really disappointed at the time but Im not going to cry foul or say it was rigged or anything.

 

[endymion248]

I thought it looked out when he gave it and was really disappointed at the time but Im not going to cry foul or say it was rigged or anything.

Not saying it was rigged, that wouldn't make sense. But DRS is unreliable (see the gif above) and this is the case where Pakistan lost the match due to DRS.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Not saying it was rigged, that wouldn't make sense. But DRS is unreliable (see the gif above) and this is the case where Pakistan lost the match due to DRS.

Yes of course the technology is bound to have faults but its better to have it than not have it at all. Besides these are rare cases and DRS has improved over the last 5 years.

 

[endymion248]

1) The figure quoted by the ICC from the MIT research was 1.5 inches which is under 4cm.

2) The figure was a maximum/worst case scenario.

3) The figure was only for vertical predictions. Predictions of line (which was the 'issue' with the Ajmal-Tendulkar decision) are much more simple given all you have to do is extend the line the ball is following rather than predicting the flight and effect of gravity on the ball.

And how much to the right was the ball here? It wasn't even 1/10 of the width of a stump which is 20 cm (so 2 cm at most). Far too much within the marging to overturn the umpire's decision, which was ''out''.

Not really, you can't extend the line of the ball due to lateral movements of the ball in the air. No ball goes straight, hence the margin of error.

 

[endymion248]

Yes of course the technology is bound to have faults but its better to have it than not have it at all. Besides these are rare cases and DRS has improved over the last 5 years.

Yes but it should not be used to overturn the umpire's decision in cases where the margin of error changes the decision.

And it hasn't improved that much since this happened recently (https://fat.gfycat.com/SafeReliableGermanspaniel.webm).

Gotta feel for Ajmal, everyone (especially Indians) was calling him nuts when he was right.

 

[HitWicket]

And how much to the right was the ball here? It wasn't even 1/10 of the width of a stump which is 20 cm (so 2 cm at most). Far too much within the marging to overturn the umpire's decision, which was ''out''.

Not really, you can't extend the line of the ball due to lateral movements of the ball in the air. No ball goes straight, hence the margin of error.

If you read the LBW law you'll find it must be assumed that the ball does not deviate from a straight path after it hits the pad therefore it is as simple as drawing a straight line from the point of impact.

 

[HitWicket]

Yes but it should not be used to overturn the umpire's decision in cases where the margin of error changes the decision.

And it hasn't improved that much since this happened recently (https://fat.gfycat.com/SafeReliableGermanspaniel.webm).

Gotta feel for Ajmal, everyone (especially Indians) was calling him nuts when he was right.

No he wasn't, move the ball 1.5 inches up or 1.5 inches down and it was still missing the stumps.

 

[endymion248]

If you read the LBW law you'll find it must be assumed that the ball does not deviate from a straight path after it hits the pad therefore it is as simple as drawing a straight line from the point of impact.

And who writes the laws? Big 3. Of course they would have this law which makes zero sense as the ball does move in the air.

 

[endymion248]

No he wasn't, move the ball 1.5 inches up or 1.5 inches down and it was still missing the stumps.

Move it 1.5 inches to the left then.

 

[HitWicket]

And who writes the laws? Big 3. Of course they would have this law which makes zero sense as the ball does move in the air.

Once again you're wrong, it was the MCC. The point being however that a straight line was drawn from the point of impact and it wasn't hitting the stumps therefore it was correctly overturned.

 

[Sandeep]

His name to fame. Can't blame him.

 

[HitWicket]

Move it 1.5 inches to the left then.

And why would you do that when there's been no data published saying that's the margin of error? Once again, all you've gotta do is draw a straight line from the impact.

 

[endymion248]

And why would you do that when there's been no data published saying that's the margin of error? Once again, all you've gotta do is draw a straight line from the impact.

That's what you are saying. Hawkeye claims a 2.2 mm margin of error without precision for the axis. I'd rather go with what Hawkeye says than what some random on a forum says.

 

[Hawkeye]

An apology from match officials and Hawkeye to Ajmal would be a start - maybe even from Tendulkar as he did benefit from it.

In your dreams.

 

[HitWicket]

That's what you are saying. Hawkeye claims a 2.2 mm margin of error without precision for the axis. I'd rather go with what Hawkeye says than what some random on a forum says.

Can you quote this 2.2mm from anywhere official that isn't referring to tennis?

 

[Itachi]

Enough talks.... India should give the 2011 world Cup to Pakistan

 

[cric_lover]

An apology from match officials and Hawkeye to Ajmal would be a start - maybe even from Tendulkar as he did benefit from it.

First of all Ajmal should apologize to the entire cricket world for taking majority of his wickets with illegal deliveries. I am sure his delivery to SRT was also illegal.

 

[Finisher]

First of all Ajmal should apologize to the entire cricket world for taking majority of his wickets with illegal deliveries. I am sure his delivery to SRT was also illegal.

What about harbhajan Singh...before u say he's not banned etc ..
He is also a chucker.
Worse then taskin And hafeez

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

33 new posts something as irrelevant as an LBW decision in a game that we lost not because [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] mucked it up but because our butter finger brigade dropped the bloke in question 3 FREAKING TIMES !!!!

This coupled with the usual chasing brain freeze moments we have normally witness and Akmal's and Afridi's complete lack of basic understanding on how a cricket match is played led to our WC demise. Nothing more, nothing less. It's been almost 5+ years now to this particular event Move on guys !!! Move on !!

 

[Balthazar]

Just watched the dismissal. The decision was perfectly fine, the ball was turning away which would've missed the stumps as rightly indicated by the Hawkeye. Above all, the good thing was chucker Ajmal didn't get the wicket through his illegal action.

 

[MenInG]

Just watched the dismissal. The decision was perfectly fine, the ball was turning away which would've missed the stumps as rightly indicated by the Hawkeye. Above all, the good thing was chucker Ajmal didn't get the wicket through his illegal action.

He wasnt a chucker at that time. Get your facts right.

 

[Poshika31]

Yet to be called chucker

 

[#GreenRoars]

Oh come on, that was not out, India won, we lost due to our own stupid mistakes. We didnt deserve to win that match after so many drop catches Get over it guys.

 

[#GreenRoars]

Just watched the dismissal. The decision was perfectly fine, the ball was turning away which would've missed the stumps as rightly indicated by the Hawkeye. Above all, the good thing was chucker Ajmal didn't get the wicket through his illegal action.

Nope, at that time he was cleared from ICC, he wasnt chucker.

 

[#GreenRoars]

First of all Ajmal should apologize to the entire cricket world for taking majority of his wickets with illegal deliveries. I am sure his delivery to SRT was also illegal.

And Harbhajan should also apologize for taking 400 Test wickets with help of chucking

 

[cric_lover]

What about harbhajan Singh...before u say he's not banned etc ..
He is also a chucker.
Worse then taskin And hafeez

Harbhajan is totally fine. Got all his wickets with the valid deliveries and is respected worldwide. He is a bowler of Akram's stature with very similar stats.

 

[Hitman]

It's always a conspiracy in every department by the whole world against Pakistan.