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"Sarfaraz Ahmed is not a good wicket-keeper" : Ramiz Raja

fahadshah's shameful lobbying for Sarfraz continues yet he criticizes others for having agendas.
 
MRSN said:
But but he is better than Kamran Akmal?
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I see the exchange above - but I think it's for management to avoid the mistakes we made with Kamran. Pakistan made themselves so reliant in kamrans batting that we were unwilling to drop him despite the truly awful wicket keeping. Someone in management will need to have their foot up sarfaraz's backside every time he drops a catch, no matter how good his batting.
 
Every wicket keeper drops a catch here and there. No one is saying that Sarfaraz is the best keeper ever in the history of Pakistan cricket, but that this thread is definitely an over-reaction. Even in this innings he fared much better than Watling, while keeping against better quality spinners. Didn't give any byes, but yes one of the leg-byes on Rahat was perhaps something he could have stopped. The only genuine missed chance was Southee's. The comments however here make it so that he was far far worse behind the wicket, even bringing comparisons to Kamran Akmal, which is beyond idiotic.

I think I mentioned somewhere before, that Sarfaraz has to be an absolutely pathetic keeper for several years, before we can attempt to compare him to Kamran Akmal.

Sarfaraz has been a great addition to Pakistan test squad. It's extremely comforting to know that the #7 bat is fully capable of taking charge and scoring good amount of runs. He's a decent wicket keeper, better than Adnan Akmal of late for sure.
 
Sarfraz's keeping has been average but not exactly the easiest tracks in the world to keep on.

I wanted to kick Rameez in the face after this comment btw .. Haddin was absolutely shocking at times but "he's a class wicketkeeper". Watling was also below average but I don't recall any statements about him. Rameez seems to think he has to prove how unbiased he is by heavily criticising Pakistani players as often as he can.
 
Agree on Haddin but Watling's keeping has been excellent for quite some time now. He has just had a bad game.

Sarfraz has never impressed with his keeping unlike Adnan who has looked brilliant at times but then ordinary as well. There is no doubt whose the more natural wicket-keeper but there is no competition between the two because Sarfraz is miles better with the bat.
 
Pete Rose said:
I see the exchange above - but I think it's for management to avoid the mistakes we made with Kamran. Pakistan made themselves so reliant in kamrans batting that we were unwilling to drop him despite the truly awful wicket keeping. Someone in management will need to have their foot up sarfaraz's backside every time he drops a catch, no matter how good his batting.
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Exactly that's a must in tests especially on a flat road like this where it is tough for bowlers to create chances.
 
I just think his concentration wavers at times.

It's something he needs to work on without a doubt.
 
Saj said:
I just think his concentration wavers at times.

It's something he needs to work on without a doubt.
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Management has to hold him accountable. Pak does not deserve another Kamran Akmal in making. Would be a nightmare for Pak fans if he start acting like Kamran Akmal.
 
Poison said:
Sarfraz's keeping has been average but not exactly the easiest tracks in the world to keep on.

I wanted to kick Rameez in the face after this comment btw .. Haddin was absolutely shocking at times but "he's a class wicketkeeper". Watling was also below average but I don't recall any statements about him. Rameez seems to think he has to prove how unbiased he is by heavily criticising Pakistani players as often as he can.
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Don't take Rameez's comments seriously. Just yesterday, he said something like "Taylor is a bad batsman against left-arm spinners'. I understand what he was trying to say (based on some stats), but what he actually said came out much worse. Taylor is not a bad batsman from any criteria. For that matter he won a test match for NZL in SL, against Herath and co.

Rameez' comments usually have zero context, and an infinite amount of cliches.
 
Among WKs, I don't think anyone is brilliant - reasonable at best. Advantage for Sarfraz is that, others are No. 9/10 batting material, Sarf can bat in top 6.

Sarfraz 'll not be Allen Knott or Hilley or Latif, but he can easily become a decent reliable WK. Alarming is that I see KAkmal syndrome in him - exactly their career going the same path. KAkmal stopped WK once he was made ODI opener & used that as an excuse/bargain point not to train for keeping. Sarfraz is made ODI Opener & since he has stuck gold with bat, I am sure he has reduced his keeping practice time for the sake of batting practice. Unless, it's made clear to him that in ODI he is in the team over UAKmal for his keeping & unless he keeps the level, he 'll find competition in Test as well. I think in a couple of years time Sarfarz 'll be a poorer keeper than KAkmal, because his technique isn't that great. Technically, KAkmal wasn't a bad keeper - he stopped training, put on extra weight & that reduced his reflex (started to snatch the ball in a hurry, rather than move to position in time & wait for the ball to freeze in his gloves) and eventually costed his keeping.

Whatever others say, I 'll keep telling that PAK is by far worst fielding side because players never take fielding as a part of the game, never enjoys it & never gives extra effort to improve their skill, which includes Wicket Keeping as well. Most of them actually hates fielding & unless forced to do, hardly anyone 'll turn on to fielding. Probably Misbah (& later Waquar) had emphasized on fielding & PCB imposed some strict fitness/fielding clauses that there is some improvement. Otherwise, if fielding is made optional - I doubt how many PAK players 'll turn for fielding training for extra improvement. I had a rare experience to learn that some PAK players were ready to take a "little" pay cut not to field for Dhaka Club sides - they 'll bat, bowl & rest their ass in pavilion. Often, I have seen PAK players not fielding in 2nd innings if they had struck big (century) in club games & if the batting side doesn't allow replacements, they 'll rest at slip for almost the entire length of the match.
 
Still the best keeper-batsman in Pakistan. All of our keepers have dropped catches and missed stumpings, Sarfaraz's keeping is on par with the standards of our keepers.
 
Mamoon said:
fahadshah's shameful lobbying for Sarfraz continues yet he criticizes others for having agendas.
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Haha a one man lobby ? Buddy lobby is created by mixing the same mentality people which u and MRSN have been doing for long ! Working on that agenda of ur beloved akmals ! I have the same opinion that sarfraz should work on his keeping but by he is better than all 3 of them !


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Saj said:
Looking at the alternatives in Tests :-

Adnan Akmal - Good keeper, however prone to the occasional error, but his batting hasn't been as good as it should have been.

Kamran Akmal - Still a pretty good batsman but his keeping is not of international standard.

Zulqarnain Haider - Still a very good keeper and not bad with the bat.....but........
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Talking about alternatives, should consider Rehan Afridi at some point. he is young and good with the gloves and a more than decent batsman with four 100s and a FC average of more than 41. still 21 years old so PCB should consider adding him to A team atleast.
 
fahadshah said:
Haha a one man lobby ? Buddy lobby is created by mixing the same mentality people which u and MRSN have been doing for long ! Working on that agenda of ur beloved akmals ! I have the same opinion that sarfraz should work on his keeping but by he is better than all 3 of them !


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How am I working on my agenda when I stating the obvious that he's a much better option than Adnan?
 
Mamoon said:
How am I working on my agenda when I stating the obvious that he's a much better option than Adnan?
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On batting terms ! Firstly he was a better keeper than a batsman ! Now suddenly the momentum has shifted to keeping rather than his batting !


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fahadshah said:
On batting terms ! Firstly he was a better keeper than a batsman ! Now suddenly the momentum has shifted to keeping rather than his batting !


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His batting has improved a lot but his keeping has only gone worse.
 
Sarfraz the best keeper we have overall combining Keeping AND Batting but still Adnan is a better keeper but a bunny with the bat.
 
MMHS said:
Among WKs, I don't think anyone is brilliant - reasonable at best. Advantage for Sarfraz is that, others are No. 9/10 batting material, Sarf can bat in top 6.

Sarfraz 'll not be Allen Knott or Hilley or Latif, but he can easily become a decent reliable WK. Alarming is that I see KAkmal syndrome in him - exactly their career going the same path. KAkmal stopped WK once he was made ODI opener & used that as an excuse/bargain point not to train for keeping. Sarfraz is made ODI Opener & since he has stuck gold with bat, I am sure he has reduced his keeping practice time for the sake of batting practice. Unless, it's made clear to him that in ODI he is in the team over UAKmal for his keeping & unless he keeps the level, he 'll find competition in Test as well. I think in a couple of years time Sarfarz 'll be a poorer keeper than KAkmal, because his technique isn't that great. Technically, KAkmal wasn't a bad keeper - he stopped training, put on extra weight & that reduced his reflex (started to snatch the ball in a hurry, rather than move to position in time & wait for the ball to freeze in his gloves) and eventually costed his keeping.

Whatever others say, I 'll keep telling that PAK is by far worst fielding side because players never take fielding as a part of the game, never enjoys it & never gives extra effort to improve their skill, which includes Wicket Keeping as well. Most of them actually hates fielding & unless forced to do, hardly anyone 'll turn on to fielding. Probably Misbah (& later Waquar) had emphasized on fielding & PCB imposed some strict fitness/fielding clauses that there is some improvement. Otherwise, if fielding is made optional - I doubt how many PAK players 'll turn for fielding training for extra improvement. I had a rare experience to learn that some PAK players were ready to take a "little" pay cut not to field for Dhaka Club sides - they 'll bat, bowl & rest their ass in pavilion. Often, I have seen PAK players not fielding in 2nd innings if they had struck big (century) in club games & if the batting side doesn't allow replacements, they 'll rest at slip for almost the entire length of the match.
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I disagree in a way. I think most of our young upcoming cricketers are very good fielders.

Ahmed Shehzad, Umar Akmal, Fawad Alam, Asad Shafiq, Azhar Ali, Yasir Shah, Amin, Hammad Azam, Sami Aslam, Babar Azam, Wahab, Maqsood(improved)

Only ones that have issues are Jamshed, Irfan & Raza Hasan. But even Jamshed is a safe pair of hands. He just takes time getting to the ball which is more fitness related.
 
Mamoon said:
His batting has improved a lot but his keeping has only gone worse.
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Come on yr not worse ! I mean he hasn't been that bad ! Apart from all differences isn't he a better choice in all 3 formats ? Be honest here lad !


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Bullet Drive said:
I disagree in a way. I think most of our young upcoming cricketers are very good fielders.

Ahmed Shehzad, Umar Akmal, Fawad Alam, Asad Shafiq, Azhar Ali, Yasir Shah, Amin, Hammad Azam, Sami Aslam, Babar Azam, Wahab, Maqsood(improved)

Only ones that have issues are Jamshed, Irfan & Raza Hasan. But even Jamshed is a safe pair of hands. He just takes time getting to the ball which is more fitness related.
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Being good is one thing & enjoying a "thankless" job is different. I did say that PAK fielding has improved - partly due to inclusion of good fielders, partly due to strict fielding regime. My point was the intention - even Inzi, Anwar started as quite good fielders, but then started to bunk fielding once they became "senior". Even for Indian team, most assured 3 players in ODI team are VK, Reina & Jadeja & they are constantly improving, at least keeping their level. For PAK, Umar isn't half the fielder he is now then when he started; let Ahmed, Asad, Yasir .. play few years & cement their place, then we 'll see. And I 'll keep saying that it's attitude & intention, nothing else - after all, the best 2 fielders & fittest persons in PAK team are 40 years old seniors.

So far, I can see "KAkmal syndrome" in Sarfraz & unless I am convinced otherwise, my take is the day PCB stops kicking butt, there 'll be lot of language issues with professional fielding coaches - Shoeb Mohammad is the way to go. Also, once Misbah retires & if somehow Afridi invades ODI Captaincy once more - I am sure, we 'll see the gradual fall back,particularly from those close to the King.
 
Swing said:
Sarfraz the best keeper we have overall combining Keeping AND Batting but still Adnan is a better keeper but a bunny with the bat.
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Adnan dropped almost as many. Difference is that he couldn't make up for them with his batting.

I wonder what happened to the Adnan that was a very good performer in the series against England.
 
MMHS said:
Being good is one thing & enjoying a "thankless" job is different. I did say that PAK fielding has improved - partly due to inclusion of good fielders, partly due to strict fielding regime. My point was the intention - even Inzi, Anwar started as quite good fielders, but then started to bunk fielding once they became "senior". Even for Indian team, most assured 3 players in ODI team are VK, Reina & Jadeja & they are constantly improving, at least keeping their level. For PAK, Umar isn't half the fielder he is now then when he started; let Ahmed, Asad, Yasir .. play few years & cement their place, then we 'll see. And I 'll keep saying that it's attitude & intention, nothing else - after all, the best 2 fielders & fittest persons in PAK team are 40 years old seniors.

So far, I can see "KAkmal syndrome" in Sarfraz & unless I am convinced otherwise, my take is the day PCB stops kicking butt, there 'll be lot of language issues with professional fielding coaches - Shoeb Mohammad is the way to go. Also, once Misbah retires & if somehow Afridi invades ODI Captaincy once more - I am sure, we 'll see the gradual fall back,particularly from those close to the King.
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Not correct. Umer Amin, Shan Masood & Shehzad were named fittest in PAK.
 
Bullet Drive said:
Not correct. Umer Amin, Shan Masood & Shehzad were named fittest in PAK.
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Why are you taking things word by word? Amin & Masood are 15 years younger & they are not part of the team. Anyway, I made a point that, once PAK players establish themselves in the team, stop working on fitness & fielding and that's part of attitude, because Misbah & YK are settled in the team yet are supreme fit, while Umar Akmal has declined considerably in last few years - I 'll stick to that until Shehzad proves me wrong once he is made Captain or Vice Captain.
 
What on earth was that???

Dropped a regulation catch!!!

Sodhi.. 9 down already..
 
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Rameez was saying the truth and people started attacking the poor guy.

Today Rameez said again after this drop that he's a very good batsman but not that good keeper and needs to improve his skills.
 
Yes more stick from Ramiz for Sarfraz after he totally misjudged that simple chance.
 
Saj said:
Yes more stick from Ramiz for Sarfraz after he totally misjudged that simple chance.
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They both left it for each other for christ's sake ! U guys dont let someone breath !


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The thing is you can bat like viv but it wont cover your keeping blunders. That was horrible. He needs to come back stronger!!!! That was just horrible
 
Hawkeye said:
Rameez was saying the truth and people started attacking the poor guy.

Today Rameez said again after this drop that he's a very good batsman but not that good keeper and needs to improve his skills.
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Lol its not a drop. They both left it for each other !


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saiyan0312 said:
The thing is you can bat like viv but it wont cover your keeping blunders. That was horrible. He needs to come back stronger!!!! That was just horrible
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That wasnt a drop lad ! They both left it for each other. Hold ur horses !


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fahadshah said:
U call it a drop ? You need to hold ur expert analysis


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Of course it was a drop. It was the wicket-keepers catch. He has the gloves on, Younis Khan left it for him and Sarfraz only had to take a couple of steps to take the catch.
 
A drop doesn't constitute leaving the ball or not going for a catch. A drop is when one gets a hand to it and doesn't grasp it.

He should've attempted a catch, of course, but it wasn't a drop.
 
it wasnt a drop the call was not made by yk or sarfraz . it was misjudgement and he was wearing a helmet made it bit tricky looking up going backside . he has kept well in my view apart from that drop of southee dont know why people over react
 
Dare i Say he is worse than the man Himself :kakmal and there is no worst compliment for a wicket keeper than this, you have to be really bad to earn this compliment, and so far Sarfraz have deservedly earn this.
 
Sherlock said:
A drop doesn't constitute leaving the ball or not going for a catch. A drop is when one gets a hand to it and doesn't grasp it.

He should've attempted a catch, of course, but it wasn't a drop.
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Sounds like lawyerspeak. Are going to redefine cricket now? It was a drop.
 
Mamoo_cricket said:
Dare i Say he is worse than the man Himself :kakmal and there is no worst compliment for a wicket keeper than this, you have to be really bad to earn this compliment, and so far Sarfraz have deservedly earn this.
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He is not as bad as Kami by any means. Does need to work on his keeping though.
 
Sherlock said:
Err, no. It wasn't a drop. Maybe reading up on it might help your thinking.
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We can classify it as whatever we want but in no way in hell was that acceptable. You can call it a drop or you can call it sitting around day dreaming but the thing is he is the keeper its going to his left side he should be the first guy running for it. He needs to improve his keeping and match awareness otherwise he will start going down hill.
 
Mamoo_cricket said:
Dare i Say he is worse than the man Himself :kakmal and there is no worst compliment for a wicket keeper than this, you have to be really bad to earn this compliment, and so far Sarfraz have deservedly earn this.
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Looks like u didnt read rashid latif's latest interiew for him ! Lad !


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Pete Rose said:
Sounds like lawyerspeak. Are going to redefine cricket now? It was a drop.
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It wasn't from any definition. It was a missed chance, which happens at times in test cricket, where both the keeper and first-slip catcher let the ball go, thinking the other one will take it. It's not a reflection on someone's keeping skills, until such a thing happens regularly.

Sarfaraz kept the wickets decently in this test match. The only genuine chance he dropped was Southee's edge in the first innings. There is room for improvement but calling his keeping in this game as worthy of comparison with Kamran Akmal is utter nonsense. Forget Akmal, he was the better keeper between the two team in this test match.
 
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It wasn't from any definition. It was a missed chance, which happens at times in test cricket, where both the keeper and first-slip catcher let the ball go, thinking the other one will take it. It's not a reflection on someone's keeping skills, until such a thing happens regularly.

Sarfaraz kept the wickets decently in this test match. The only genuine chance he dropped was Southee's edge in the first innings. There is room for improvement but calling his keeping in this game as worthy of comparison with Kamran Akmal is utter nonsense. Forget Akmal, he was the better keeper between the two team in this test match.
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There no comparison with Akmal, but he has missed a few this test match, usually misses one every innings in the last three tests. They are not hurting right now because we are dominant.
Needs to work on his wicket keeping, the batting is a surplus.
 
saiyan0312 said:
we can classify it as whatever we want but in no way in hell was that acceptable. You can call it a drop or you can call it sitting around day dreaming but the thing is he is the keeper its going to his left side he should be the first guy running for it. He needs to improve his keeping and match awareness otherwise he will start going down hill.
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potw!
 
saiyan0312 said:
We can classify it as whatever we want but in no way in hell was that acceptable. You can call it a drop or you can call it sitting around day dreaming but the thing is he is the keeper its going to his left side he should be the first guy running for it. He needs to improve his keeping and match awareness otherwise he will start going down hill.
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but but kami is worse blah blah and stop being biased against Karachi players..:fahadshah
 
MRSN said:
but but kami is worse blah blah and stop being biased against Karachi players..:fahadshah
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ofcourse not, Kami is a better keeper. Happy now? :)

I can understand your pain brother but please, let it go. Kami had his moments but he is past now and Sarfraz is our present. Appreciate the difference and deal with it !
 
Man Pakistan is not getting a break in Wicket Keeping. First it was the worst WK ever in history of cricket Kamran Akmal :kakmal and now Sarfraz Ahmed is well on his way to emulate Kamran Akmal :facepalm:
 
PakPassion.net: Whilst Sarfraz's batting was very encouraging, he did make a few mistakes behind the stumps during recent matches against Australia. What was the reason and how can he improve on that?

Rashid Latif: To start with, I don't class these fumbles as errors. At this point, let me also say that a few commentators whilst on television even called him a 'bad wicket-keeper', which was not fair on him. I don't think it is right to criticize a wicket-keeper or indeed any player like that. It's always very easy to find faults in someone, but it's very hard to suggest ways of fixing those faults.

As a keeper I can say that it's very difficult to keep wickets on the last day when a team is typically chasing 250-300 runs on a turning track and where the ball hits the rough and can go anywhere. In such conditions, errors can happen but those faults can be only rectified when he plays a few more games in similar match conditions. No one can teach this and the only way to learn in such cases is by match experience where the player trains himself to adapt to such situations.
 
Saj said:
PakPassion.net: Whilst Sarfraz's batting was very encouraging, he did make a few mistakes behind the stumps during recent matches against Australia. What was the reason and how can he improve on that?

Rashid Latif: To start with, I don't class these fumbles as errors. At this point, let me also say that a few commentators whilst on television even called him a 'bad wicket-keeper', which was not fair on him. I don't think it is right to criticize a wicket-keeper or indeed any player like that. It's always very easy to find faults in someone, but it's very hard to suggest ways of fixing those faults.

As a keeper I can say that it's very difficult to keep wickets on the last day when a team is typically chasing 250-300 runs on a turning track and where the ball hits the rough and can go anywhere. In such conditions, errors can happen but those faults can be only rectified when he plays a few more games in similar match conditions. No one can teach this and the only way to learn in such cases is by match experience where the player trains himself to adapt to such situations.
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Good comments by a legendary keeper ' destroyed the akmal mafia here and the people lobbying for them ! Mamoons and mrsn's !


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fahadshah said:
Good comments by a legendary keeper ' destroyed the akmal mafia here and the people lobbying for them ! Mamoons and mrsn's !


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The irony has never been stronger. Rashid is the chief lobbyist in Pakistan and you won't here a hint of criticism from him about any Karachi player but you are clearly giving him a run for his money.

Don't know about MRSN but show me a post here where I've said that we should play Adnan or Kamran over him? However that does not mean that we ignore the FACT that he has been rubbish with the gloves.
 
Mamoon said:
The irony has never been stronger. Rashid is the chief lobbyist in Pakistan and you won't here a hint of criticism from him about any Karachi player but you are clearly giving him a run for his money.

Don't know about MRSN but show me a post here where I've said that we should play Adnan or Kamran over him? However that does not mean that we ignore the FACT that he has been rubbish with the gloves.
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Lesser than u if u compare him in the list of chief's ! First thing tell me a guy from karachi who have been a heck ! Sarfraz khurram asad faisal iqbal anwar ali etc etc ! The current lot is the top performer of pakistan ! And it is as simple that u play the top players in the domestic circuit for ur national side and the top players are playing ! Feel sorry for khurram and faisal iqbal ' khurram has one bad series ! And faisal iqbal is doing more than enough to earn a spot again ! Coming to sarfraz's point of have u ever said it or not ! Thats where the lobby part comes where u keep criticising and misguide people of the false or tough chances that u have created as a sitter for u ! Doesnt matter if u saying it or not.


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fahadshah said:
Lesser than u if u compare him in the list of chief's ! First thing tell me a guy from karachi who have been a heck ! Sarfraz khurram asad faisal iqbal anwar ali etc etc ! The current lot is the top performer of pakistan ! And it is as simple that u play the top players in the domestic circuit for ur national side and the top players are playing ! Feel sorry for khurram and faisal iqbal ' khurram has one bad series ! And faisal iqbal is doing more than enough to earn a spot again ! Coming to sarfraz's point of have u ever said it or not ! Thats where the lobby part comes where u keep criticising and misguide people of the false or tough chances that u have created as a sitter for u ! Doesnt matter if u saying it or not.


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Faisal Iqbal is a TTF hack.
 
fahadshah said:
Looks like u have been blessed with kamran shoaib and farhat !


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Lmao are you stupid. When did i say we should recall Kamran Malik and Farhat. They are TTFs but they have all performed better in Pakistani colours than Faisal Iqbal. And Sarfraz has been outstanding with the bat in the last 3 months he is our best WK option atm. but his primary role is as a WK and if he drops catches people will criticise him even if he bats like Bradman. He obviously needs to work on his keeping what's so bad about saying that. Rashid Latif has shown a lot of bias towards Karachi based players his words shouldnt be taken that seriously
 
fahadshah said:
Lesser than u if u compare him in the list of chief's ! First thing tell me a guy from karachi who have been a heck ! Sarfraz khurram asad faisal iqbal anwar ali etc etc ! The current lot is the top performer of pakistan ! And it is as simple that u play the top players in the domestic circuit for ur national side and the top players are playing ! Feel sorry for khurram and faisal iqbal ' khurram has one bad series ! And faisal iqbal is doing more than enough to earn a spot again ! Coming to sarfraz's point of have u ever said it or not ! Thats where the lobby part comes where u keep criticising and misguide people of the false or tough chances that u have created as a sitter for u ! Doesnt matter if u saying it or not.


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Khurram has flopped in Tests and Anwar is rubbish. Just because he has been given a free ride does not mean he is an integral part of the team.

Faisal Iqbal? :))
 
No need to take this topic to such low level .we all agree here that Sarfraz is a good batsmen . although he did drop a sitter and made minor mistakes but overall he was fine. some of you need to stop overreacting and please dont start this Karachi Punjab talks . Lets see how Sarfraz does with gloves in coming matches we will know what exactly he is made up of is he worth as keeper or not
 
I always take Rashid Latif's comments with a caution - he isn't fair. I might be wrong, but standing on a neutral ground with a very good knowledge of PAK Cricket, I believe Latif is biased to a particular provincial/City players. It's true that keeping on turning tracks on Day 5 isn't easy, it takes lot of experience. But at the same time, the 2 drops (Southee in 1st innings, Shodhi in 2nd innings) has nothing to do with 5th day wicket.

I don't think, Sarfraz has maintained the same keeping level of what I saw few years back.
 
Mamoon said:
Khurram has flopped in Tests and Anwar is rubbish. Just because he has been given a free ride does not mean he is an integral part of the team.

Faisal Iqbal? :))
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Yea right lad ! Who ever doesnt fall in ur category or lobby i should is rubbish ! Raise ur argument !


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fahadshah said:
Yea right lad ! Who ever doesnt fall in ur category or lobby i should is rubbish ! Raise ur argument !


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There is no argument because you blatantly refuse too see/acknowledge that Sarfraz's keeping has been very poor.
 
Adil_94 said:
Lmao are you stupid. When did i say we should recall Kamran Malik and Farhat. They are TTFs but they have all performed better in Pakistani colours than Faisal Iqbal. And Sarfraz has been outstanding with the bat in the last 3 months he is our best WK option atm. but his primary role is as a WK and if he drops catches people will criticise him even if he bats like Bradman. He obviously needs to work on his keeping what's so bad about saying that. Rashid Latif has shown a lot of bias towards Karachi based players his words shouldnt be taken that seriously
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Faisal iqbal made him self in the top middle order of pakistan and no one enters that until he is brilliant ! The likes of inzi moyo younus khan etc ! And yea might be a bigger stupid and foolish if u call back them and not Faisal iqbal ! He has been the top performer in pakistan by quiet a margin ! Get ur facts in order shouting ur mouth out stupid


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fahadshah said:
Faisal iqbal made him self in the top middle order of pakistan and no one enters that until he is brilliant ! The likes of inzi moyo younus khan etc ! And yea might be a bigger stupid and foolish if u call back them and not Faisal iqbal ! He has been the top performer in pakistan by quiet a margin ! Get ur facts in order shouting ur mouth out stupid


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Even after the opportunities he has got. He averages 26 in Test Match cricket. He just isnt a viable option anymore. Untested options like Haris and Fawad should get a go after YK and Misbah retire. What about what i said about Sarfraz.
fahadshah said:
Faisal iqbal made him self in the top middle order of pakistan and no one enters that until he is brilliant ! The likes of inzi moyo younus khan etc ! And yea might be a bigger stupid and foolish if u call back them and not Faisal iqbal ! He has been the top performer in pakistan by quiet a margin ! Get ur facts in order shouting ur mouth out stupid


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Adil_94 said:
Even after the opportunities he has got. He averages 26 in Test Match cricket. He just isnt a viable option anymore. Untested options like Haris and Fawad should get a go after YK and Misbah retire. What about what i said about Sarfraz.
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Lad he is ! 26 test matches in a floating batting positions ! The tragedy is this that kami like players have 55 tests under their belt ! An utter disgrace for pakistan cricket ! Faisal iqbal should be atleast in the test side ! Haris is a very good option ! But fawad i am not sure about him !


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fahadshah said:
Lad he is ! 26 test matches in a floating batting positions ! The tragedy is this that kami like players have 55 tests under their belt ! An utter disgrace for pakistan cricket ! Faisal iqbal should be atleast in the test side ! Haris is a very good option ! But fawad i am not sure about him !


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Kami was a garbage keeper. He has played way too many games for us. But Faisal Iqbal's time is up.
 
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Kami was a garbage keeper. He has played way too many games for us. But Faisal Iqbal's time is up.
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Lets see who replaces misbah after he retires ! If it is between haris and faisal i ll go with haris for sure ! Time to invest on good players


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fahadshah said:
Faisal iqbal made him self in the top middle order of pakistan and no one enters that until he is brilliant ! The likes of inzi moyo younus khan etc ! And yea might be a bigger stupid and foolish if u call back them and not Faisal iqbal ! He has been the top performer in pakistan by quiet a margin ! Get ur facts in order shouting ur mouth out stupid


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Lol. Doesn't this guy has a test avg in the 20s?:)))
 
fahadshah said:
Lesser than u if u compare him in the list of chief's ! First thing tell me a guy from karachi who have been a heck ! Sarfraz khurram asad faisal iqbal anwar ali etc etc ! The current lot is the top performer of pakistan ! And it is as simple that u play the top players in the domestic circuit for ur national side and the top players are playing ! Feel sorry for khurram and faisal iqbal ' khurram has one bad series ! And faisal iqbal is doing more than enough to earn a spot again ! Coming to sarfraz's point of have u ever said it or not ! Thats where the lobby part comes where u keep criticising and misguide people of the false or tough chances that u have created as a sitter for u ! Doesnt matter if u saying it or not.


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Khurrum Manzoor,Khalid Lateef, Faisal iqbal,Shahzaib Khan all are pretty much hacks. The only quality test cricketer to come out of Karachi atm so far is Asad Shafiq.
 
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