Shadab Khan’s batting position in Limited Over Internationals

[babajee]

I feel like Pakistan are wasting Shadab at number 8. Every time he has batted he has impressed with his technique and game awareness, something which you wouldn’t expect from a player his age.

Does he have the potential to be a #6 batsman?
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[MMHS]

No. 10, he isn’t experienced enough, if Hasan doesn’t play than 11 suits better. They are playing him below TANVIR, so PAK should bat him below Wahab & Gul, if they are selected.

 

[za1ntc]

No. 10, he isn’t experienced enough, if Hasan doesn’t play than 11 suits better. They are playing him below TANVIR, so PAK should bat him below Wahab & Gul, if they are selected.

LOOL are you high or something?

 

[MMHS]

LOOL are you high or something?

You are actually on too low - it went above head.

 

[za1ntc]

You are actually on too low - it went above head.

For an experienced poster, you sure do come out with some bizarre theories.

 

[kingusama92]

LOOL are you high or something?

He's being sarcastic.

 

[ExplicitAI]

I've watched him bat and he can strike the ball in T20's but can he do the same in ODI's? He can score at a run-a-ball SR but if he can become a proper power hitter then he should move down the order, if not then number 6 would be great.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Opener or #7.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

It doesn't matter at this age.

 

[rajimam]

At a time Pakistan's top order had a fashion of coming and going. So all the batters and alrounders even tailenders got enough chances to show their ability with the bat in almost all games.

Now a days, Babar anchoring the innings and usual Pakistani collapse has been lessen. As a result, the batsmen at 5,6,7,8 usually enter the field afte 35 overs. When the ultimate duty becomes clean hitting.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

I think long term number 6, but right now 7 is good. He is better than Imad in every way.

 

[Rayyman]

Below Imad, Faheem, Hasan and Amir because they are all better hitters.

 

[mak36]

Below Imad, Faheem, Hasan and Amir because they are all better hitters.

Imad, eh?

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Below Imad, Faheem, Hasan and Amir because they are all better hitters.

Doubt it, physical strength doesn’t equate to being a better hitter

Shadab has more strokes than any of them

 

[Rayyman]

Doubt it, physical strength doesn’t equate to being a better hitter

Shadab has more strokes than any of them

I never said anything about strength. Shadab is a better batsman, but inferior when it comes to to the role of a power hitter.

 

[Bilal7]

No, batting him any higher than #8 will significantly weaken our batting. Shadab's batting is a nice bonus for us but he's not the best #6 or #7 batsman in Pakistan. He can definitely improve as he grows older however, and move higher up the order.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

#7 would be the perfect place for him.

 

[Ellipsism]

I've always said Shadab is a star in the making due to his all-round abilities. In the long term the #6 spot is his for the taking, but as of now he's more of a floater.

 

[Hamza_]

#6 is perfect.

 

[msb314]

As long as he bats above rubbish Imad - then I will be happy.

He is a far better hitter and slogger than Imad.

 

[Hasan123]

He should be at 7. His long term position is at 6.

 

[Madplayer]

I never said anything about strength. Shadab is a better batsman, but inferior when it comes to to the role of a power hitter.

He is a better striker than Imad. Its just that he is only 19 and isnt in his prime by any means. Once he grows up and gains the strength of a fully grown up man, he could become an extremely good hitter given his hitting technique.

 

[Greenstorm]

Shadab should bat at 5. He is good against spin and at strike rotation. He can play big shots when needed so number 5 will be perfect for him.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

At the moment, Number 7 or 8 is fine as he should work on his bowling more than his batting for now, but in the coming future he can play at Number 5 or 6.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

It depends. Shadab has a wise head, he is probably the one the team can trust to build an innings and save the team from sinking to a decent total just like he did with Babar in SRL series.. But as a lower order hitter, he is definitely below Imad, Hasan, Wahab, Faheem and Amir.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

He is basically a replacement of Shahid Afridi but way-way superior in all aspects...

His batting MUST be at 7 not below not above.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

I never said anything about strength. Shadab is a better batsman, but inferior when it comes to to the role of a power hitter.

Don’t see how you can say that

Imad doesn’t have any innings of note where he has blazed away, nothing that is comparable to Shadab’s 40 odd in the psl

 

[UN talkz]

#6 or #7 U are wasting him if u are making him bat below

 

[TeymurBlake]

I can see him playing at No.6 & No.7 but the problem is that he needs add a bit more hitting to his batting ability. He's a good runner between wickets and has a knack of picking twos and threes but to be asked to play at No.6 & 7 you need to be able to get quick fire runs. The other problem is that No.6 is usually Sarfaraz's spot and No.7 tends to go with Imad. Personally I would like to see him at No.8 and see Faheem Ashraf at No.7, but with Imad in the team this seems extremely unlikely.

 

[Hedz]

Should bat before Imad Wasim and Fahim Ashraf when batting first
Batting second, if RRR is high Fahim should be sent in earlier then Shadab and finally Imad. If the RRR is up to 8 Shadab would be best choice, as he likes to play himself in before going for big hits.
Ideally Imad has to go from the squad, making room for someone better

 

[babajee]

I never said anything about strength. Shadab is a better batsman, but inferior when it comes to to the role of a power hitter.

Still don’t know why you back such a mediocre player bro.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

No 6 or no 7.

Depends on the match situation too. If 5 - 10 overs are left in the innings and we have wickets in hand then I will send Faheem who can hit from the word go.

 

[HuzaifaE]

You just can't fault him for not being able to hit sixes and justify him coming after Imad and his ugly paddle shots. Shadab is a far better lower order option than the latter, no question.

 

[Justcrazy]

Number 5 is the best position for him , he can be finisher

 

[Sean143]

he is just 19 his hitting ability is going to grow for sure with time.I think there isn't going to be a permanent batting slot for guys like faheem,shadab,hasan,amir.If we are 4/5-down before 35th over shadab should bat ahead of faheem but if we lose the 4/5th wicket after 40th over we should send faheem.Maybe we can also bat amir in the middle order when spinners are on (he can sometimes play a cameo in the middle order because of his good hitting ability against spinners).I think we should use our lower order in situations they are best suited to to get the best out of them.

 

[CricFan2012]

7 is fine, 6 is for a proper hitter like faheem who can finish games on his good day

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Faheem should not bat at 6 right now. Let him focus on his bowling as well

6 should be a guy whose primary job is batting. Talat merits that position

 

[Syed1]

Faheem should not bat at 6 right now. Let him focus on his bowling as well

6 should be a guy whose primary job is batting. Talat merits that position

Talat may have to wait till Malik hangs up his boots.


A Pakistani batting line up like this would be good

Fakhar
Imam/Amin
Babar
Haris
Sarfaraz
Talat
Shadab
Fahim

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Talat may have to wait till Malik hangs up his boots.


A Pakistani batting line up like this would be good

Fakhar
Imam/Amin
Babar
Haris
Sarfaraz
Talat
Shadab
Fahim

Most likely this will be the case but I feel right now the odi side needs Talat more than Haris

 

[babajee]

[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] do you have any more videos of his batting?

 

[Abdullah719]

[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] do you have any more videos of his batting?

Just a couple.

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05:00 onwards for the last one.

 

[ads101]

No higher than 7. Ideally 8 really. Yes he has potential, and could well be good enough to even bat 6. But if we are going to try to become a consistently strong team we need a strong batting line up. And that means we need bowlers who can bat a bit. There's no question, Shadab merits a spot bowling alone, and him being able to bat while taking a bowling slot is fantastic for us.

If we can not find 6 (or even 7 really) batsmen better than Shadab, when Shadab focuses 90% of his efforts and quite rightly on bowling, while some batsmen don't even bowl and focus completely on their batting, then that shows a sorry state for batsmen in Pakistan. I don't believe that there is such little batting talent in Pakistan to warrant that Shadab has to bat at 6.

We need to really prioritise making a strong batting line up, tail included. Too many times we are ready to weaken it for the sake of an extra bowling option which provides greater variety, but not necessarily improves the bowling line up (as the extra bowler indeed will be the fifth/sixth best bowler in the team). You can see the trend in batting line ups these days, teams bat deep and their tail can bat a bit too. It's the most effective strategy, you can't afford to stall with the tail at the end, you need support to aid the set batsmen looking to hit at the end of the innings. They can't do that if they have to shelter the weak batsmen at the other end.

In ODIs, really your no.8 should bat. Your no.9 should be able to hold a bat. 10 and 11, you can cut them a bit of slack, though ideally only your no.11 should be useless with the bat. That and I'd like them to implement the left/right combo and the top of the order (and if possible through the order). We saw it's effectiveness in the CT, and it's very hard to run through a side when you have to constantly adapt your bowling depending on who's at the crease. I don't think it's great to have two lefties opening together, even though I'd have both Fakhar and Imam in the team, neither has done anything to deserve to be dropped.

 

[hadi123]

No higher than 7. Ideally 8 really. Yes he has potential, and could well be good enough to even bat 6. But if we are going to try to become a consistently strong team we need a strong batting line up. And that means we need bowlers who can bat a bit. There's no question, Shadab merits a spot bowling alone, and him being able to bat while taking a bowling slot is fantastic for us.

If we can not find 6 (or even 7 really) batsmen better than Shadab, when Shadab focuses 90% of his efforts and quite rightly on bowling, while some batsmen don't even bowl and focus completely on their batting, then that shows a sorry state for batsmen in Pakistan. I don't believe that there is such little batting talent in Pakistan to warrant that Shadab has to bat at 6.

We need to really prioritise making a strong batting line up, tail included. Too many times we are ready to weaken it for the sake of an extra bowling option which provides greater variety, but not necessarily improves the bowling line up (as the extra bowler indeed will be the fifth/sixth best bowler in the team). You can see the trend in batting line ups these days, teams bat deep and their tail can bat a bit too. It's the most effective strategy, you can't afford to stall with the tail at the end, you need support to aid the set batsmen looking to hit at the end of the innings. They can't do that if they have to shelter the weak batsmen at the other end.

In ODIs, really your no.8 should bat. Your no.9 should be able to hold a bat. 10 and 11, you can cut them a bit of slack, though ideally only your no.11 should be useless with the bat. That and I'd like them to implement the left/right combo and the top of the order (and if possible through the order). We saw it's effectiveness in the CT, and it's very hard to run through a side when you have to constantly adapt your bowling depending on who's at the crease. I don't think it's great to have two lefties opening together, even though I'd have both Fakhar and Imam in the team, neither has done anything to deserve to be dropped.

Agreed about the bowlers being able to bat. It seems in our ODI XI, our tail is quite strong. Amir and Hasan Ali are no mugs with the bat. I guess the only proper number 11 is Junaid Khan/Rumman Raees and one proper tail ender is fine, remember the days where we would have about 3-4 bowlers who were very bad with the bat ie Mohammad Irfan, Rahat Ali, Junaid Khan etc

 

[Markhor]

Just a couple.

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Wow this kid has a proper batsman's technique. Keeps his head very still and stays upright. Nice use of the feet against spin.

Once he gets more FC games under his belt and improves his control over line and length then he could be a proper Test all-rounder for us.

 

[babajee]

Bump. Shadab is miles better than Malik and Hafeez.

Sensational batting

 

[Rayyman]

Bump. Shadab is miles better than Malik and Hafeez.

Sensational batting

Yes. Shaddy is hella talented maybe even should bat ahead of Sarfraz. But nothing higher than #6.

Remember, he looked good today but only scored 27.

 

[Madplayer]

Yes. Shaddy is hella talented maybe even should bat ahead of Sarfraz. But nothing higher than #6.

Remember, he looked good today but only scored 27.

True. He should get his promotion to number 5 after some years. We keep forgetting he is just 19 and already the best limited overs leg spinner in Pakistan, best fielder in the side. So much pressure on those young shoulders.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Still too raw. It doesn't matter where he bats.

 

[Abdullah719]

His average is 140, for starters... maybe #4?

 

[Rayyman]

I like #6.

 

[babajee]

This guy has it in him to be a top order bat.

 

[Rayyman]

This guy has it in him to be a top order bat.

Yeah but not yet. Also, he is an all-rounder so 6 will allow him to focus on bowling.

Good shout in the OP btw.

 

[babajee]

Needs to be given chances up the order for Isloo.

 

[Rayyman]

Needs to be given chances up the order for Isloo.

IU should go with this top 7
Farhan
Walton
Talat
Misbah
Duminy
Shadab
Faheem

 

[Abdullah719]

Promoted up the order today by IU and he's showing what he can do

 

[BlueDoritos]

Shadab should bat somewhere between number 4 and 6 (according to the situation), those positions will suite him.

 

[Hamza_]

Great batting today.

 

[babajee]

He is a potential 40+ averaging batsman in ODI.

Having him at #7 is a great luxury.

 

[babajee]

I think it is time to bite the bullet and groom Shadab as Pakistan’s #6 in ODI. He’s got the game for it and we don’t seem to have an alternative apart from Malik... who can’t survive against pace bowling.

Something like:

Fakhar
Babar
Haris
Sarfraz
Talat
Shadab

On potential it is a world class top 6. Also having Shadab at #6 will boost our bowling as we can slot in another all rounder like Nawaz or Imad with the sole purpose to dry up the runs.

Our next assignments are against Zimbabwe and then minnows in the Asia Cup. Perfect time to groom him for the role.

Shadab is clutch as well. Seen it in that ODI where he scored a 50 when we were 6 down, the T20 against Sri Lanka where he hit a 6 in the last over and those 2 50s in NZ.

 

[Rayyman]

I think it is time to bite the bullet and groom Shadab as Pakistan’s #6 in ODI. He’s got the game for it and we don’t seem to have an alternative apart from Malik... who can’t survive against pace bowling.

Something like:

Fakhar
Babar
Haris
Sarfraz
Talat
Shadab

On potential it is a world class top 6. Also having Shadab at #6 will boost our bowling as we can slot in another all rounder like Nawaz or Imad with the sole purpose to dry up the runs.

Our next assignments are against Zimbabwe and then minnows in the Asia Cup. Perfect time to groom him for the role.

Shadab is clutch as well. Seen it in that ODI where he scored a 50 when we were 6 down, the T20 against Sri Lanka where he hit a 6 in the last over and those 2 50s in NZ.

Perfect.

ODIs:
Fakhar
Haris
Babar
Sarfraz*+
Talat
Shadab
Imad
Faheem
Hasan
Amir
Junaid

Asif and Rumman come in for Haris and Junaid in T20Is.

 

[Greenstorm]

I think it is time to bite the bullet and groom Shadab as Pakistan’s #6 in ODI. He’s got the game for it and we don’t seem to have an alternative apart from Malik... who can’t survive against pace bowling.

Something like:

Fakhar
Babar
Haris
Sarfraz
Talat
Shadab

On potential it is a world class top 6. Also having Shadab at #6 will boost our bowling as we can slot in another all rounder like Nawaz or Imad with the sole purpose to dry up the runs.

Our next assignments are against Zimbabwe and then minnows in the Asia Cup. Perfect time to groom him for the role.

Shadab is clutch as well. Seen it in that ODI where he scored a 50 when we were 6 down, the T20 against Sri Lanka where he hit a 6 in the last over and those 2 50s in NZ.

We should play a specialist batsman or a batting allrounder with Shadab at 6 or 7. Imad and Nawaz are bowling all rounders at most. We should look for a genuine finisher in lower order.

 

[babajee]

We should play a specialist batsman or a batting allrounder with Shadab at 6 or 7. Imad and Nawaz are bowling all rounders at most. We should look for a genuine finisher in lower order.

The only way new guys are getting into the Pakistan team is through the PSL. We just have to stick with what we have at the moment.

 

[Greenstorm]

The only way new guys are getting into the Pakistan team is through the PSL. We just have to stick with what we have at the moment.

I was disappointed by the treatment of Hammad by Zalmi. I consider him as the best finisher we have in domestics. Also Faheem came into the team without PSL so you never know.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

He should bat according to match situation otherwise no 6 or 7 is fine.

 

[PakSarZameen]

He is fine where he is for now, but at times when the match is already in the bag, it would be nice to send him in to finish the games.

Like Islamabad Utd sent him in for a couple of games this year

 

[msb314]

Talat may have to wait till Malik hangs up his boots.


A Pakistani batting line up like this would be good

Fakhar
Imam/Amin
Babar
Haris
Sarfaraz
Talat
Shadab
Fahim

Imam/Amin have no business being in the team lol.

I am inclined to open with Babar and play Haris and Talat at 3/4 and Malik at 5 and Sarfraz at 6.

 

[ads101]

Should bat at 9. He has potential to bat higher but rather he focus on his bowling.

Our batting isn't good enough to play him at 6. I also don't see the point of him batting ahead of Fahim who is picked mainly for his batting. It's not fair on Fahim, need to give him a chance to showcase his batting. Otherwise Fahim just becomes a specialist no.8 batsman who bowls a bit (and not full quota). Which is ridiculous.

 

[MenInG]

Think his batting in Tests would also be crucial, especially if he goes to England.

 

[Deewana]

He has to bat at 7

 

[Da_Future_Knick]

Please bring Shadab Khan at number 4 in T20Is

Pakistan have a habit of feeling pressure & collapsing. The only player who can handle pressure well is Shadab & quite frankly he’s being wasted at 8.

Bring him in at 4 for our next T20.

Fakhar
Babar
Talat
Shadab
Sarfraz
Malik
Asif
Faheem
Hassan
Amir
SSA

 

[Officer Barbrady]

Shadab Khan as batting opener

Shadab has the technique to make it as an opener and he doesn’t provide much value at #7.

If Shadab opens, Haris can a slot in at #4 replacing Imam. That strengthens the batting but still gives us 5 frontline bowlers. Thoughts?

 

[Mamoon]

He is a glorified tail-ender. Won’t average more than 15.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

It seems in Pakistan anyone who cant bat lower down the order is considered a potential "opener".

 

[Officer Barbrady]

He can’t hit out which is what is needed at 7. Technically he’s decent imo.

Trying to figure out how to strengthen the batting and this is all I could come up with. Harris should be backed and slotted in the middle order.

 

[the_outsider]

He is a basically a tail-ender. You can try him as an opener in T20s like KKR does with Narine. But it won't work in ODIs.

 

[babajee]

No way is he a glorified tailender.

Bring Babar in the 45th over and ask him to slog and he will look like a tailender as well.

 

[Mamoon]

He can’t hit out which is what is needed at 7. Technically he’s decent imo.

Trying to figure out how to strengthen the batting and this is all I could come up with. Harris should be backed and slotted in the middle order.

I agree that Haris should be in the lineup, but the biggest roadblock is our captain who cannot bat, but he has to play because no one else can keep.

Haris cannot break into the ODI team till Malik retires. However, opening with the likes of Shadab will weaken the batting further.

Our batting is already weak and we cannot afford to give the likes of Shadab and Faheem prominent roles in the lineup.

 

[TeamPak95]

It seems in Pakistan anyone who cant bat lower down the order is considered a potential "opener".

I mean, more times than not it doesn't really happen. Plus our standards of batting aren't that high to begin with, so at this point, why not?

 

[Mamoon]

I mean, more times than not it doesn't really happen. Plus our standards of batting aren't that high to begin with, so at this point, why not?

It will create a problem that does not exist at this point. I know people don’t like Imam, but he is performing 10x better than what Shadab will perform as an opener.

 

[Rayyman]

Shadab is not a good player. Never has been.

I would open with Asif and play this top 6:
Fakhar
Asif
Babar
Haris
Malik
Sarfraz