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Shadab Khan and Faheem Ashraf are genuine all-rounders that need to be backed

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The title says it all.

No, they are not bits and pieces players
No, they are not minnow bashers
No, they are not overhyped showoffs.

Both Shadab and Faheem have shown their potential at various points throughout their career and fans need to be a little patient as they have time on their side and are the best all rounders in Pakistan by far.
 
Well since they are playing the current match, thete isnt much option than to support them. However Faheem has shown next to nothing with the bat so far.
 
Shadab is seriously lacking in confidence especially after what Faf & Reeza put him through in this series
 
All rounders, but not so good batsmen. They can't hit big, if they needed 50 off 5 overs to win they'd probably fail 99 times out of a 100.
 
What has faheem ever done with the bat in intl cricket to suggest hes an all rounder?
 
I’ve never actually seen Faheem score more than 10 runs. How do you call that an all rounder?

If he doesn’t score some sort of runs in this series then I would think about dropping him from the one day and t20 team. If he can’t bat than we don’t need his bowling, we’ve got plenty of bowlers who can fill his boots.
 
Faheem was as useless with the bat as ever.
 
Zaz said:
What has faheem ever done with the bat in intl cricket to suggest hes an all rounder?
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Admittedly the only notable innings he has played is that 83 vs Ireland. But he has played a few cameos where he has shown his talent with the bat.

He has the shots and timing but needs to work on shot selection and temperament.
 
Rana Naved was more of an allrounder than Faheem Ashraf.

Shadab has the potential to be a genuine allrounder but his SR in white ball cricket is pathetic whilst his bowling lacks control.

This is the problem with fast-track policy - it may have worked for Shaheen but others need to spend time learning their craft in domestic cricket. That's what Shadab needs to do otherwise he's just a specialist fielder at this moment.
 
Markhor said:
Rana Naved was more of an allrounder than Faheem Ashraf.

Shadab has the potential to be a genuine allrounder but his SR in white ball cricket is pathetic whilst his bowling lacks control.

This is the problem with fast-track policy - it may have worked for Shaheen but others need to spend time learning their craft in domestic cricket. That's what Shadab needs to do otherwise he's just a specialist fielder at this moment.
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Our domestic system is mediocre at best unfortunately so I would rather keep these talented players around the national set up so they can refine their skills on the job.
 
The issue is will they be ready in time for World Cup.

Shadab's good enough bowling alone, doesn't matter his batting isn't outstanding. Faheem on the other hand is an issue.

Kind of said it before, it's not that he doesn't have talent, but was/is there really enough time to groom him into a proper allrounder before the WC comes along. Looks like time's run out. And if that's the case, honestly has been a waste playing him, we should have invested on him after the world cup. Faheem is incredibly raw, and I do wonder what he's been doing in domestic up till int. call up. You can't keep saying be patient when we need players for the WC, we can't just turn up for a learning experience rather than winning it, our best players need to be playing, ones who are ready.

Imad is our best allrounder like it or not currently.
 
Shadab is such a genuine all rounder that he had to come after Hasan Ali the nin-alleounder.
 
The culture os developing a cricketer is long gone in pakistan setup. Who is responsible for it? Management? coach? system? I don't know what to say but when a player show some potential we don't groom a player. Our batsmen regressed overtime and our batting coach been sleeping at job I guess. You can argue that at this level you can't teach but I don't agree either its the will of player or our caches are not good enough.

All we can do is hope that some how we unearth a shoaib or Yousuf or Inzi or Razzaq because we don't know the art of developing a cricketer.
 
Leg spin is hard in limited overs cricket. Every time Shadab (or Yasir) come in to bowl, you feel like they will leak sixes. Shadab has to improve in his day job - bowling.

Fahim has gone backwards on this tour (like Anwar Ali and many others did.)

Just when Pakistan think they have a solution, it refuses to be.
 
babajee said:
The title says it all.

No, they are not bits and pieces players
No, they are not minnow bashers
No, they are not overhyped showoffs.

Both Shadab and Faheem have shown their potential at various points throughout their career and fans need to be a little patient as they have time on their side and are the best all rounders in Pakistan by far.
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HAHAHA best all-rounders!!!

Are you kidding?

Worst all-rounders in pak history.
 
I am ok with these guys playing. Just don’t think you can ask them to come to bat after Malik/hafeez/Sarfaraz
 
Atm, Shadab (also Hasan Ali) going through emotions at mercy of moments.

If they don't take time away from cricket before WC, they will disintegrate in prolonged league format of WC. This is more problem because both can be match winners but currently trapped in limbo.

Both should skip Australia ODIs and couple against England too.
 
Anwar Ali > Faheem Ashraf
Bilal Bhatti > Faheem Ashraf
Amir Yamin > Faheem Ashraf
Hasan Ali > Faheem Ashraf
Mohammad Amir > Faheem Ashraf

I backed Faheem Ashraf prior to the CT17, sadly he’s not done anything to make me think that I was right in backing him.
 
I agree with OP.

Both of them will come good and become vital parts of Pakistani Team.

Their skills need to be finetuned.
That’s it and we will have one hell of a lineup.
 
They are everything that you described in the OP. Bits and pieces, show-offs and minnow-bashers.
 
I'm with babajee on this . We have to back them.
All rounders need game time.
I'm at the point where I think faheem and hafeez are vying for one spot.
We have to have 6 bowling options and hafeez is not doing it enough or to a good enough level. So if he doesn't play ( and faheem does) we have to push Imad upto 6 and give him more responsibility slotting faheem at the bottom
 
Faheem Ashraf is living off that CT warm up knock against Bangladesh bowlers defending a 30m boundary on one side of the pitch.

I can assure you, if it wasn't for that innings he wouldn't be in the team. I would rather have a specialist bowler who is economical and have him replaced with Amir in the WT20. He might be a wicket less wonder but at least he doesn't get spanked around.

No harm in trying Faheem in these meaningless bilaterals but don't hold high hopes for him.

Let him bash the likes of Zimbabwe, Scotland, Ireland, SL & WI B. Even then he still has an average of a tail ender and a strike rate of a no.11 batsman.

Most overrated player on PP as evident from the comments in the Pandya v Faheem thread such as"Pandya is no match for Faheem".
 
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YousafTheBeast said:
Anwar Ali > Faheem Ashraf
Bilal Bhatti > Faheem Ashraf
Amir Yamin > Faheem Ashraf
Hasan Ali > Faheem Ashraf
Mohammad Amir > Faheem Ashraf

I backed Faheem Ashraf prior to the CT17, sadly he’s not done anything to make me think that I was right in backing him.
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Even if this was a trolling attempt the truth is they're all superior to Faheem.
 
Can anyone tell me what Faheem has done apart from that practice match against BD? Guy is an absolute nobody, a nothing player really. Saying he is a bits and pieces is insulting the bits and pieces cricketers who at least gave bits and pieces of performance here and there.

I agree Shadab is probably low on confidence and needs backing.
 
babajee said:
The title says it all.

No, they are not bits and pieces players
No, they are not minnow bashers
No, they are not overhyped showoffs.

Both Shadab and Faheem have shown their potential at various points throughout their career and fans need to be a little patient as they have time on their side and are the best all rounders in Pakistan by far.
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Fake News spotted

Reality is Imad is the best all rounder in Pakistan cricket and he's also a far better batsman than both players.
 
If these are genuine all rounders then I don't know what people like IK or Dev were?
 
They have all round abilities in neither being good with the ball or good with the bat... so yeah genuine alrounders :19:
 
To be honest I don’t mind giving Shadab a chance but I am losing patience with Faheem. His bowling isn’t threatening and he is batting like a tailender.
 
If genuine all rounders are batting at number 10 for Pakistan then Pakistan must have a very strong batting line up.
 
We gave a long run to many useless "allrounders" in the past like Anwar Ali, Bhatti and many, they proved useless and then we tried Faheem, he is nothing special, time to discard him and give someone else a chance. Shadab has the potential to improve, and he will .
 
Neither and anything special. Both are average at best.
 
They are both good,faheem is a clean striker and shadab has the ability to be one of our best bat(bowling isn't their strong suit) they are poor against spin though and they need to work on it,many of our new guys are strong against pace but are struggling against spin:shadab,faheem,asif ali,rizwan,babar(he has improve a lot),they will improve over time.
 
Both are mediocre. I was hopeful with Faheem but he has shown nothing. Must try new options as these 2 will be worthless at the WC.
 
I agree they should be backed but more so because of the lack of alternatives than their so called potential. Every cricketer has potential but until you work hard and put hours and hours into improving as a cricketer you will never suceed. So far both have been bits and pieces but there is no reason why they can't improve.
 
Faheem is pretty good T20 bowler but only Wahab level batsman at the moment.
Shadab is very good bowler and a developing into a good batsman but not a Tulley Mar that some posters want him to be.
We should not be expecting our mini all rounders to do what our batsmen cannot do.
 
we always blame our bits and pieces cricketers (aka average alrounders) for our downfall.

Guys like Shadab and Faheem will be more handy when the top order fire

The problem is the top 5 batsmen. We need to replace Hafeez and Malik with Shan and Haris
 
The allrounder term is vastly misused. Bhuvi can bat, Cummins can bat, Southee can bat. But they are not all rounders. Holder is all rounder. Stokes is all rounder.
 
Faheem was never an all-rounder, he is a tail-ender. Shadab is a joke with the bat in LOIs. A SR of 60 while batting at 7 or 8 is embarrassing. In test he may have potential but not in LOIs.

Pakistan needs to stop treating these guys as all-rounder, it is hurting the team.
 
gazza619 said:
we always blame our bits and pieces cricketers (aka average alrounders) for our downfall.

Guys like Shadab and Faheem will be more handy when the top order fire

The problem is the top 5 batsmen. We need to replace Hafeez and Malik with Shan and Haris
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Today is not the day to be criticizing Malik when he was the best batsman in the team scoring 49 (31) and getting his team close to victory.
 
This kind of underlines where he belongs

<HTML>
<table class="tableizer-table">
<thead><tr class="tableizer-firstrow"><th>PLAYER</th><th>INNINGS</th><th>AVERAGE</th><th>STRIKE RATE</th></tr></thead><tbody>
<tr><td>Woakes</td><td>56</td><td>27.34</td><td>90.74</td></tr>
<tr><td>Santner</td><td>44</td><td>27.17</td><td>89.95</td></tr>
<tr><td>Rabada</td><td>23</td><td>15.23</td><td>77.04</td></tr>
<tr><td>Bhuvi</td><td>46</td><td>15.16</td><td>74.24</td></tr>
<tr><td>Hasan Ali</td><td>22</td><td>12.68</td><td>102.52</td></tr>
<tr><td>Southee</td><td>84</td><td>12.62</td><td>99.85</td></tr>
<tr><td>Faheem</td><td>11</td><td>11.55</td><td>74.28</td></tr>
</tbody></table>

</HTML>
 
jnaveen1980 said:
This kind of underlines where he belongs

<HTML>
<table class="tableizer-table">
<thead><tr class="tableizer-firstrow"><th>PLAYER</th><th>INNINGS</th><th>AVERAGE</th><th>STRIKE RATE</th></tr></thead><tbody>
<tr><td>Woakes</td><td>56</td><td>27.34</td><td>90.74</td></tr>
<tr><td>Santner</td><td>44</td><td>27.17</td><td>89.95</td></tr>
<tr><td>Rabada</td><td>23</td><td>15.23</td><td>77.04</td></tr>
<tr><td>Bhuvi</td><td>46</td><td>15.16</td><td>74.24</td></tr>
<tr><td>Hasan Ali</td><td>22</td><td>12.68</td><td>102.52</td></tr>
<tr><td>Southee</td><td>84</td><td>12.62</td><td>99.85</td></tr>
<tr><td>Faheem</td><td>11</td><td>11.55</td><td>74.28</td></tr>
</tbody></table>

</HTML>
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Stats don't lie.But But Faheem has potential
 
Faheem has an everage of 11 in ODIs. Thats a tailender, not all rounder.
Shadab can bat long, but cant hit big.
 
Bilawal bhatti is better than Faheem.
People criticising Shadab have got to remember that hes only 20 and leggies take time to mature. Plus this was his first tour of SA where spinners dont find much help
 
One is not like the other. Shadab needs to be backed. Faheem is AVERAGE.
 
Ahmed216 said:
Bilawal bhatti is better than Faheem.
People criticising Shadab have got to remember that hes only 20 and leggies take time to mature. Plus this was his first tour of SA where spinners dont find much help
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I don't get this "20 years old" excuse for Shadab. Either you are good enough or not at this stage. It's been almost 3 years since he has been with the team. Age excuse is old. If he still can't become a consistent performer then he should be sent back to domestic cricket until he matures as a player.
 
Problem is bar is set too low for a genuine all-rounder these days. Wasim Akram has the highest test score of 257. He scored a match winning 33 in WC final in 19 balls. Yet he was never called an all rounder.
 
MRSN said:
I don't get this "20 years old" excuse for Shadab. Either you are good enough or not at this stage. It's been almost 3 years since he has been with the team. Age excuse is old. If he still can't become a consistent performer then he should be sent back to domestic cricket until he matures as a player.
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Shadab has already contributed well in many matches for Pak even at young age and even in places he is touring first time . Which player performs in every match?
 
MRSN said:
I don't get this "20 years old" excuse for Shadab. Either you are good enough or not at this stage. It's been almost 3 years since he has been with the team. Age excuse is old. If he still can't become a consistent performer then he should be sent back to domestic cricket until he matures as a player.
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His performances do not deserve the kind of criticism he gets over here.
He bowled decently in ODI's and the only test he played and he's a good fielder.
Standard of domestics from what ive heard is not great so i doubt it'll help.

Out of all the PSL products playing for national team only shadab hasan and Fakhar need to be persisted with. Others like Faheem asif ali do not have the talent and basics to survive in internationals.
 
Faheem has zero game awareness in terms of batting ability. Playing one or two nice shots does not make you an all-rounder. He needs to improve his batting to an acceptable level atleast, or Pakistan doesn't need his services.
 
Shadab can bat well in test matches but his batting isnt suited for odis , faheem isnt an all rounder at all.
 
Faheem is an all-rounder????? This guy hardly has any basic of batting technique and keep failing against any half-decent bowler even in a flat track. He can only improve his bowling a little bit. His ideal batting position 9-11 where he can swing the bat by closing eyes. If Amir played he should come as no. 10.

Sadab is not any good batsman either but he has basic in batting and can improve a bit. Bowling wise he needs to improve a lot as well.
 
Shadab, yes. Faheem, no. Faheem is not worth plating, I'd rather see both Imad and Shadab be our spin pair in ODIs and T20s, then choose 3 genuine pacers in Hasan, Shaheen and Junaid.
 
who thinks that amir yamin is currently better option than all other all rounders ?
 
It's a pity Faheem doesn't make full use of the opportunities he get.

The way he hit that six you could see that there is some potential in him. Unfortunately time will run out for him and Pak will move to other options.
 
Shadab is an AR. He should focus on Strike rotation. He has a good technique and potential.

Faheem does not have batting IQ. Has limited strokes and seems confused with shot selection in that limited array. It's difficult to teach that. He might swing a few once in a while but will always get out playing a stupid shot.
 
At this moment I have more faith in Shadab.

Faheem's skill levels are declining and he's becoming predictable.
 
Once again. Shadab and Hasan need to skip Australia series. They need time away from cricket and will comeback stronger. If not, their performance will be below par.
 
He needs the same treatment as Faheem.

His bowling defines mediocrity and his batting is a circus. All his skills are for the cameras only.

A nothing cricketer who has been hyped to the moon.
 
Both are mediocre. Shadab getting run out was a good thing and a turning point in the end for me.
 
Mamoon said:
He needs the same treatment as Faheem.

His bowling defines mediocrity and his batting is a circus. All his skills are for the cameras only.

A nothing cricketer who has been hyped to the moon.
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Harsh but true. He's a waste of a slot, but unfortunately we don't have a proper spinner in the side.
 
Shadab is not sticking to the basics of hard spun leg breaks on off and middle. Too many are too full or slightly too short. But young spinners go through these phases, IA he will come through.
 
Shadab bat worst then tail, he isn't allrounder. Rellu katta if there ever was one, Imran Khan warned about this.
 
Shadab has time on his hands. He will come good. Plus we're expecting him to do a job at the international level which he never even did at the domestic or U19 level. I'm pretty sure he batted at #4 or #5 in the U19 WC and bowled 5-6 overs per game.
 
Shadab bowled well in all matches so far and he batted as per situation today to enable Pak to play 50 overs;unfortunately he got run out going for 2 unselfishly. Stop with the unnecessary and unwarranted hatred for young lad.
 
Both are definition of bits and pieces.

Shadab needs two full seasons of FC cricket to improve his control and stock ball. Right now he gives away one bad ball per over. However he's more interested in playing in every pyjama and chaddi league going. Less said about his batting the better.
 
shadab is mediocre
but tbh he saved about 10 runs at point today which eventually was the difference
 
Mamoon said:
He needs the same treatment as Faheem.

His bowling defines mediocrity and his batting is a circus. All his skills are for the cameras only.

A nothing cricketer who has been hyped to the moon.
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What’s with the random bump?

He bowled good today, his batting was mediocre as expected. He does have a bit of potential with the bat but that’s all it is at the moment.
 
Why not play Imad as a specialist spinner in the next game? Replace Shadab with Asif. It will also lengthen the batting order. Asif can hit big, at least.
 
In the last 2 games after seeing the performances of the opposition spinners , Shadab has been very poor. I don't see Shadab and Imad threatening teams enough. Not picking a specialist spinner has been awful decision by Mickey and Inzi.
 
Mercurial said:
Why not play Imad as a specialist spinner in the next game? Replace Shadab with Asif. It will also lengthen the batting order. Asif can hit big, at least.
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asifs fielding is shocking, shadabs main issue is hes coming in too loose at the start of spells, hes going for 20 odd by the first 3 overs and usually 20 to 30 odd after that. needs to be more focused at the start of the spell.

also was absolutely shocking he didnt have a slip when he started. his stats would have been totally different if pak werent sleeping.
 
Hes done fine Got the big wkt today and of williamson the other day

Batted decently with imad until he was run out Hes only going to get better
 
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