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Shadab Khan versus Hardik Pandya : Battle of the All-rounders

The only similarity between them is same surname and both being leg spinner. As a cricketer, Rashid Khan is an ATG bowler in T20s and perhaps the best spinner in the world now in that format. Shadab Khan is way behind and not even in the same league.

Only Shadab better than ATG in last world Cup, and I maybe wrong Rashid Khan's team hardly plays any big team regularly.
 
Ouch! This thread did not age well!

Why are you saying this after he bashed a second rate Aussie attack? He has other good performances so I have always rated him (as a bat) but what’s the reason for inflating his stature to demigod status post these performances in particular?

These are also incredibly, incredibly flat wickets, the most flat wickets I’ve seen in my life. Steve Smith made 46(38) and still Australia was able to make 195. And then you add in the fact that the bowler was going round the wicket to Pandya when his strength is the cow corner.

Like okay bump this thread when Pandya finishes an important game when the chips are down and the bowlers are good, or even when he bowls a single over since this is an all rounder comparison.

He’s twice Shadab with the bat but as an all rounder there’s no question that Shadab takes it.
 
At the moment in LOI cricket Pandya’s power hitting and overall batting is far ahead. In terms of bowling Shadab has been better and with Pandya not bowling its not even comparable as of now. In test cricket growth of both has been somewhat similar till now (Other than century of Pandya). Pandya’s injury really halted his progress.

A very fair assesment I must say.
 
Pandya is great pinch hitter, and Shadab has shown great potential in 4 disciplines, batting, bowling, fielding and captaincy.

Pandya is an out and out match winner, won matches against big teams in all 3 formats. While Shadab albeit shown potential here and there, never really been an impact player even by Pakistani standard. No one in his right mind would choose Shadab over Pandya.
 
How is Shadab's power hitting? I have only watched him bat well in tests, and he looked a decent no 7. How is he in ODIs and T20s?

I think Hassan Ali is more in the mould of Pandya when it comes to power hitting in T20s.

No power hitting at all from what I have seen, got a very decent technique for a lower order bat, something that is rare in Pak hence the hype.
 
Pandya is an out and out match winner, won matches against big teams in all 3 formats. While Shadab albeit shown potential here and there, never really been an impact player even by Pakistani standard. No one in his right mind would choose Shadab over Pandya.

Completely agree with this assessment, I'd have Pandya on my team as a finisher any day of the year. He is a genuine match winner, and comparing consistency with the ability to win matches is a comparison which cannot be made.

However, both have areas to improve and in various places. Shadab's bowling, like stated earlier, is good enough for white-ball formats, but he needs to improve his batting across all formats, and his bowling in test matches.

Pandya on the other hand is becoming a force to reckon with as a batsman, though his bowling career isn't star studded either. Regardless, I see him as a permanent batsman on the Indian team for years to come.
 
Did Pandya bowl in this year's IPL? What's the issue with his bowling? If he doesn't bowl much he will no longer be called an allrounder and this comparison which already doesn't make any sense will fall flat on the ground. :inti
 
Completely agree with this assessment, I'd have Pandya on my team as a finisher any day of the year. He is a genuine match winner, and comparing consistency with the ability to win matches is a comparison which cannot be made.

However, both have areas to improve and in various places. Shadab's bowling, like stated earlier, is good enough for white-ball formats, but he needs to improve his batting across all formats, and his bowling in test matches.

Pandya on the other hand is becoming a force to reckon with as a batsman, though his bowling career isn't star studded either. Regardless, I see him as a permanent batsman on the Indian team for years to come.

I should have added that Shadab's bowling is quite underrated here, got tricks in his sleeve that take years to develop. An exciting bowler to watch.
 
No power hitting at all from what I have seen, got a very decent technique for a lower order bat, something that is rare in Pak hence the hype.

He has improved his power-hitting a lot. I feel like Shadab will surprise many in the near future. He is constantly improving. A few people here are vocal against him due to which generally Shadab is really underrated here. However, in the t20s he should be batting in the top 4. That is where he excels. Sending him at no.7 with 10 balls to go and expecting him to play a knock like Pandya is mental. They are simply not the same type of batsmen.
 
He has improved his power-hitting a lot. I feel like Shadab will surprise many in the near future. He is constantly improving. A few people here are vocal against him due to which generally Shadab is really underrated here. However, in the t20s he should be batting in the top 4. That is where he excels. Sending him at no.7 with 10 balls to go and expecting him to play a knock like Pandya is mental. They are simply not the same type of batsmen.

I guess we will have to wait and watch, he has age on his side which is a massive plus.
 
Shadab wins easily. His bowling is much more effective. Also, he is a better fielder.
 
Let me put the question this way, will Shadab make it to the Indian team or Pandya make it to the Pakistan team? Think rationally and you have the answer :))

No disrespect to Shadab though, good utility cricketer but not even in the same league as pandya the LOI cricketer.

Shadab is good. I rate him. He can bat, he is tough mentally and he is a decent spinner.

I don't believe he is 22 though. No offence. 25 26 is more reasonable.
 
I don't see Shadab playing a knock like Pandya did today. Specially not against International bowling attacks
 
Shadab wins easily. His bowling is much more effective. Also, he is a better fielder.
Hell, No. Shadab is a good fielder by Pakistani standards but nowhere to close what Pandya is. The only better fielder than him in Indian team is Jadeja.
 
I don't see Shadab playing a knock like Pandya did today. Specially not against International bowling attacks

I don't see why you should expect him to when is not the same type of a batsman. Also, Shadab has won us a game by smacking a six in the last over of a t20 before. However, my point here is that Shadab is not a Power Hitter, expecting him to play that kind of a knock is not fair on him. His knocks in England last series are proof enough of his batting ability. And he is a wicket-taker with the ball, especially in the t20s. He has won us matches many a time but unfortunately, bowling is a thankless job and only the bad performances are remembered. He is a gun fielder and his catches and run out alone have created impacts that we cant really calculate.

Whenever Pandya has a good performance, this thread is bumped with people calling Shadab out for not being as good as Pandya, when he is a better fielder and bowler. And in terms of Batting Shadab has a different game, not to mention he has been constantly improving.
 
Hell, No. Shadab is a good fielder by Pakistani standards but nowhere to close what Pandya is. The only better fielder than him in Indian team is Jadeja.

You probably haven't seen Shadab field. He is world-class in the field. Pandya is an amazing fielder too, but Shadab is more agile and has taken blinders.
 
Has become a huge mismatch thread.

So far from the other India vs Pakistani talent thread, we know currently Babar is ahead of KL Rahul. And Pandya is like 2 or 3 levels above Shadab for now.

If Shadab was a better bowler it might be comparable, because he is a very good bat and showed it in PSL with glimpses in the international arena. But definitely not enough to be compared to top allrounders around the world
 
please give me any matches where shadab won a match either with bat or ball.. any format

Well, I can't really dig up links to scorecards, however, I remember a game where he smashed a straight six in the last over to win the game against Sri Lanka. And many a time he comes into the attack and takes crucial wickets and breaks partnerships. Our Last t20 series in NZ, always came into the attack and broke the partnerships that were taking the games away from us. Most notably he got a number of Guptil a few times. In England, he has batted brilliantly in tests to rescue us from very bad totals.

Even in Ct 17 final, he took the wickets of Yuvraj and Kedar. The point I am making is that Pandya's innings in fresh in recent memory so the Shadab bashing is in full force. However, Shadab has 2nd most wickets in t20s for a spinner this year behind Rashid Khan.

Comparing individual innings with Pandya is useless as Pandya is a power hitter while Shadab is a timer of the ball, not to mention Shadab is much ahead of Pandya in Bowling, and a better fielder. So lets not get too emotional and discredit a players achievements and potential.
 
Has become a huge mismatch thread.

So far from the other India vs Pakistani talent thread, we know currently Babar is ahead of KL Rahul. And Pandya is like 2 or 3 levels above Shadab for now.

If Shadab was a better bowler it might be comparable, because he is a very good bat and showed it in PSL with glimpses in the international arena. But definitely not enough to be compared to top allrounders around the world
Neither Shadab nor Pandya are comparable to top all rounders of the world. Slogging 6s does not make you top all rounder, someone like Russell and Pollard do hat day in day out. Proper all rounders are like Stokes, Shakib and Holder who have ability to play long innings when their team needs it, and not once or twice and in all formats.And since Pandya does not bowl much and will not do much in future either he is not even an all rounder, but a lower order hard hitting batsman.
 
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Well, I can't really dig up links to scorecards, however, I remember a game where he smashed a straight six in the last over to win the game against Sri Lanka. And many a time he comes into the attack and takes crucial wickets and breaks partnerships. Our Last t20 series in NZ, always came into the attack and broke the partnerships that were taking the games away from us. Most notably he got a number of Guptil a few times. In England, he has batted brilliantly in tests to rescue us from very bad totals.

Even in Ct 17 final, he took the wickets of Yuvraj and Kedar. The point I am making is that Pandya's innings in fresh in recent memory so the Shadab bashing is in full force. However, Shadab has 2nd most wickets in t20s for a spinner this year behind Rashid Khan.

Comparing individual innings with Pandya is useless as Pandya is a power hitter while Shadab is a timer of the ball, not to mention Shadab is much ahead of Pandya in Bowling, and a better fielder. So lets not get too emotional and discredit a players achievements and potential.

Even in the T20 series in England he plugged out 3 quick wickets putting Pak in winning g position but the match got rained off.
 
I should have added that Shadab's bowling is quite underrated here, got tricks in his sleeve that take years to develop. An exciting bowler to watch.

He does, but as of late, his bowling has deteriorated.
 
Pandya is still much better as a power hitter. He's a mediocre bowler though.

No one is saying Shadab is power hitter and we hope he develops better than just a power hitter, into a useful batsman getting Pakistan out of sticky situations playing an inni g like he did in England albeit it was in a test match.
 
No one is saying Shadab is power hitter and we hope he develops better than just a power hitter, into a useful batsman getting Pakistan out of sticky situations playing an inni g like he did in England albeit it was in a test match.

Even as a batsman, Pandya is much more versatile than Shadab. It's the additional gear which he possesses which gives him the edge in batting, because being able to accelerate at will is just pure class and talent. Shadab will develop as per Pakistan's needs and standards, I agree with that. But I'd rather prefer him to still bowl, and not end up like Steve Smith, because he is a very good option for a second spinner.
 
Even as a batsman, Pandya is much more versatile than Shadab. It's the additional gear which he possesses which gives him the edge in batting, because being able to accelerate at will is just pure class and talent. Shadab will develop as per Pakistan's needs and standards, I agree with that. But I'd rather prefer him to still bowl, and not end up like Steve Smith, because he is a very good option for a second spinner.

Well, Shadab had the (second)most sixes in PSL for a Pakistani Batsman in PSL and the highest Strike-rate(at least for the most part. I don't remember but maybe towards the end Kushdil overtook him). So I would say if he is played at the right number he can definitely go into the extra gear. Obviously, he is not a power hitter like Pandya but he doesn't need to be Pandya. He can play at a similar strike rate without the big sixes.
 
Hell, No. Shadab is a good fielder by Pakistani standards but nowhere to close what Pandya is. The only better fielder than him in Indian team is Jadeja.

Shadab is better than pandya in the field the only one better than him in the indian side is jadeja
 
Well, Shadab had the (second)most sixes in PSL for a Pakistani Batsman in PSL and the highest Strike-rate(at least for the most part. I don't remember but maybe towards the end Kushdil overtook him). So I would say if he is played at the right number he can definitely go into the extra gear. Obviously, he is not a power hitter like Pandya but he doesn't need to be Pandya. He can play at a similar strike rate without the big sixes.

What you said might hold true, but the fact remains that Pakistan does not need someone who just runs doubles and hits the odd boundary. We need a solid hitting machine, and he won't fill in those shoes anytime soon. What we can gain from Shadab is a versatile spin-bowling all-rounder who can form part of the batting in the top 6.
 
Do you have any stats to back up this claim? Would love to have a look and see how much of your statement holds true.

The stats are down below but my internet's a bit shady so I'll type it out.

Across all formats:

2018: 39 matches, 58 wickets, 22.34 average, 4.5 ER
2019: 24 matches, 25 wickets, 40 average, 5.94 ER
2020: 6 matches, 9 wickets, 24 average, 7.08 ER (these were all T20I's if I'm not mistaken, so I'll exclude this one from my decision.)

From the evidence, it is clear that there has been some deterioration in the bowling. If I remember correctly, I first noticed this decline from the ODI series between Pakistan and Sri Lanka in late 2019.
 

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Neither Shadab nor Pandya are comparable to top all rounders of the world. Slogging 6s does not make you top all rounder, someone like Russell and Pollard do hat day in day out. Proper all rounders are like Stokes, Shakib and Holder who have ability to play long innings when their team needs it, and not once or twice and in all formats.And since Pandya does not bowl much and will not do much in future either he is not even an all rounder, but a lower order hard hitting batsman.

Pandya has stopped bowling only temporarily. He is a batting all-rounder though while Shadab is a bowling all-rounder.
 
The stats are down below but my internet's a bit shady so I'll type it out.

Across all formats:

2018: 39 matches, 58 wickets, 22.34 average, 4.5 ER
2019: 24 matches, 25 wickets, 40 average, 5.94 ER
2020: 6 matches, 9 wickets, 24 average, 7.08 ER (these were all T20I's if I'm not mistaken, so I'll exclude this one from my decision.)

From the evidence, it is clear that there has been some deterioration in the bowling. If I remember correctly, I first noticed this decline from the ODI series between Pakistan and Sri Lanka in late 2019.

His avg is much better this year. I would say his bowling was suffering in 2019, but this year I think he is improving again. His economy rate suggests the type of Pitches he has played on. He is also has the second most wicketsd in t20s for spinners this year only behind Rashid Khan.
 
To be fair, Shadab has a lot of potential and he will get better.

We are yet to see the best of him and if he continues to work hard on his game and address a few flaws, he could be a very fine all-rounder.
 
This is just disrespectful towards Pandya. Stop this nonsense.

The thread is going to take a similar turn to the comparison with Faheem. The green tinted hype brigade will never ever learn.
 
Shadab is the better test player so far.

Pandya is the better short format player in odi and T20.

Doesn't mean shadab is crap. Shadab is still quality. I would love to have a player like shadab but shadab imo should be compared with Jadeja who is better than both.
 
Did Pandya bowl in this year's IPL? What's the issue with his bowling? If he doesn't bowl much he will no longer be called an allrounder and this comparison which already doesn't make any sense will fall flat on the ground. :inti

He didn't bowl in the IPL due concerns about his back. I think if is going go cause issues with his back , he should concentrate on his batting.
 
Hardik Pandya is comfortably the better player. Shadab offers more with the ball but Pandya batting if it comes off is potentially match winning. Shadow bowling is not match winning and not even gonna get into his awful batting stats in LO.

Both are top fielders. But if I had to say who would have the better career, I would say Pandya and I would rather have him as a player than Shadab.
 
His avg is much better this year. I would say his bowling was suffering in 2019, but this year I think he is improving again. His economy rate suggests the type of Pitches he has played on. He is also has the second most wicketsd in t20s for spinners this year only behind Rashid Khan.

Personally, I don't use T20I as a benchmark for a good all-rounder. I prefer using test matches and ODIs to determine that.
 
Shadab is the better test player so far.

Pandya is the better short format player in odi and T20.

Doesn't mean shadab is crap. Shadab is still quality. I would love to have a player like shadab but shadab imo should be compared with Jadeja who is better than both.

Pandya has single handedly won India test match in England.
 
It’s only fun banter I guess, given the kind of players that get hyped on here, that is the most reasonable justification on the nitpicking people do on Pandya.

Imagine if Pakistan had a player like that. I mean Afridi is the biggest superstar in the country over someone like Younis and Yusuf. Go figure.
 
Shadab is better than pandya in the field the only one better than him in the indian side is jadeja
Pakistanis are not exactly good judges of fielders just like how Indians are of fast bowlers. Pandya fields on all positions, covers a lot of ground in the outfield ( you can see why India puts him on long-on and long-off during the power play overs) and has a bullet arm. Even Kohli is a better fielder than Shadab.
 
Pakistanis are not exactly good judges of fielders just like how Indians are of fast bowlers. Pandya fields on all positions, covers a lot of ground in the outfield ( you can see why India puts him on long-on and long-off during the power play overs) and has a bullet arm. Even Kohli is a better fielder than Shadab.

Kohli is defonitely not better than shadab why are you lieing to yourself.and so does shadab he fields in alot of positions have you watched any of his throws or catches ?
 
It's funny to read views of some Indian fans who treat 23 year old Pant as a kid in International arena but think of 22 year old Shadab as a mature cricketer and finished product. These are the same fans who also think that 27 year old Pandya hasn't reached his peak yet and he will only improve from here. Not sure why can't Shadab improve from here then?

If fans were really serious they would have compared Pandya with someone like Stokes/Holder. :inti
 
Oh this is a tough one!

On current form: Pandya > Shadab.

However in the long run it will be: Shadab > Pandya.
 
Bowling wise Shadab is miles ahead of Pandya.

I don’t disagree on Shadab being a better bowler on potential. However I don’t think Shadab has any standout performances in bowling so far and he plays as a strike spinner for Pakistan in LOI’s where as Pandya is the 5th or even 6th option these days.

Here are Pandya’s famous bowling performances

Tests: 5 wicket haul in England to run through the English middle order and win India a test match

T20: the famous WT20 game where India defended 2 runs in 3 balls vs Bangladesh

ODI: pandya and lord Shankar ran through the Pakistani batting line up after Bhuvi’s injury in the WC. This was a big deal because that made Pandya the 2nd fast bowler automatically after Bumrah.

Apart from being a good prospect in CT collectively where Pakistan did have a good bowling attack, I don’t remember any standout Shadab bowling performances with bat or ball.

Batting obviously it’s a no brainer.
 
It's funny to read views of some Indian fans who treat 23 year old Pant as a kid in International arena but think of 22 year old Shadab as a mature cricketer and finished product. These are the same fans who also think that 27 year old Pandya hasn't reached his peak yet and he will only improve from here. Not sure why can't Shadab improve from here then?

If fans were really serious they would have compared Pandya with someone like Stokes/Holder. :inti

Because shadab is not 22. No offence.
You don't peak till 33. Everyone is different.
Physical and mental ability has to sync to be in you lr absolute peak.

If you haven't played sport at a competitive level then you wouldn't understand. Couch potatoes shouldn't comment about peak, troughs, prime etc.
 
Shadab is good but no one would pick shadab over pandya in short formats.
Looking at performances, even in tests it's close.
 
Pakistanis are not exactly good judges of fielders just like how Indians are of fast bowlers. Pandya fields on all positions, covers a lot of ground in the outfield ( you can see why India puts him on long-on and long-off during the power play overs) and has a bullet arm. Even Kohli is a better fielder than Shadab.

Ok, either you are trolling or are delusional. I don't need someone to tell me "You are Pakistani so you don't know what good fielding is". Shadab is one of the best fielders in the world right now. You haven't even seen much of him in the field or you would not make a comment as ridiculous as this.
 
Because shadab is not 22. No offence.
You don't peak till 33. Everyone is different.
Physical and mental ability has to sync to be in you lr absolute peak.

If you haven't played sport at a competitive level then you wouldn't understand. Couch potatoes shouldn't comment about peak, troughs, prime etc.

Please don't pull out statements like "Shadab is not 22" from out of nowhere. Or should I assume that Pandya is not 27 either?
 
Please don't pull out statements like "Shadab is not 22" from out of nowhere. Or should I assume that Pandya is not 27 either?

Pandya looks 27. Shadab looks 25. O don't believe he is 22at all. Just like Naseem isn't 17. He is probably 19 or 20.
 
This idea that Shadab is a much better bowler than Pandya is another myth. Shadab is not better than him in any department and miles below him as a batsman.

Shadab is a good fielder by Pakistani standards but some of our fans act as if he is Jonty Rhodes. Pandya is a better fielder as well, which has a lot to do with his far superior athleticism.

Most of the time Shadab is overacting in the field and trying to make himself look good for the cameras.

As an overall cricketer, Shadab is not fit to tie Pandya’s shoelaces. He only gives him some competition in the bowling department, but that doesn’t mean anything because Pandya is a batting all-rounder.

Shadab has been around the national team setup for almost 4 years now and his fans still cannot explain if his stronger suit is batting or bowling, and I bet even Shadab doesn’t have a clue.

This is a result of the fact that he is an ordinary player in both departments. He is a glorified part-timer with the ball and a glorified tail-ender with the bat.

Pakistan cricket is at an all time low which is why a nothing bits and pieces cricketer like him has elevated himself to vice-captaincy status.

15 years ago, Pakistan had a leg-spin all-rounder Mansoor Amjad, and he was a much better prospect than Shadab, but he never got a break because Pakistan had Afridi.

20 years back, Afridi also kept a certain Imran Tahir out of the national team.

Shadab is very lucky that he is playing in era where Pakistan is scrapping at the bottom of the barrel and is almost left with no dignity - if he played 10,15 years back and had to compete with Afridi and Kaneria as well as Mansoor Amjad in reserves, this guy wouldn’t have been allowed with a mile of the national squad setup.
 
It's funny to read views of some Indian fans who treat 23 year old Pant as a kid in International arena but think of 22 year old Shadab as a mature cricketer and finished product. These are the same fans who also think that 27 year old Pandya hasn't reached his peak yet and he will only improve from here. Not sure why can't Shadab improve from here then?

If fans were really serious they would have compared Pandya with someone like Stokes/Holder. :inti
Pandya is better than Holder in limited overs cricket.
 
It's funny to read views of some Indian fans who treat 23 year old Pant as a kid in International arena but think of 22 year old Shadab as a mature cricketer and finished product. These are the same fans who also think that 27 year old Pandya hasn't reached his peak yet and he will only improve from here. Not sure why can't Shadab improve from here then?

If fans were really serious they would have compared Pandya with someone like Stokes/Holder. :inti
Also shadab is 22 Pakistani years old. :yk
 
He batted well but while he got 40 from 30 and lost the match for Pakistan, Pandya would have smashed 60 from 30 to win it.

#Difference
 
I watched back some of Shadabs inning on the highlights, he was mostly struggling until Sohdi bowled some rubbish which increased his strike rate and obviously his actual score.

Genuinely not try to be a wrist slitter but I really don't understand what some people are doing banghra over. This wasn't New Zealand first attack yet he was struggling. Imagine if he is batting at 5 against some top teams. He did well to hang in but it was a T20 game not an ODI or test. Conveniently our fans are forgetting he bowled 2 overs and went for 22 , he didn't bring himself back on.

Our fans do banghra over any half decent performance.
 
Anyways, it was a pretty decent and mature innings from Shadab, credit where it is due.
 
Shadab played excellently today. I was not sure about his batting when he started his innings, but I am happy to be proven wrong, as he batted quite fluently as the innings went on. I think he has good potential to turn into a good allrounder for Pakistan. I am impressed with his captaincy as well. I see bright future for him. If he can work on his bowling, he could eventually find a place in the test team as well, replacing Yasir.

I still think that Pandya is a better batsman and allrounder (if he can bowl) as of today but Shadab has improved very well and if he continues along this path, I see no reason why he can't be a better allrounder than Pandya.
 
Well you should then speak to the management

Management could potentially send him in early, but Shadab only started hitting against spin. He was struggling a lot against pace, and even in PSL, his strike rate against spin was far better than against pace. He's not a finisher either, and so the question is, where does he bat?

Opening is out of the question, he'd get bowled 9 times out of 10 by Boult/Southee.

No.3 is too early, so I think it has to be around No.4.

If Hafeez opens in the next game, we could look at a different line-up which could facilitate Shadab at no.4.

Hafeez
Abdullah
Haider
Shadab
Sarfaraz
Iftikhar
Khushdil
Imad
Faheem
Shaheen
Haris
 
Shadab Khan vs Hardik Pandya

I was comparing these two players and found their stats to be quite similar. Pandya is highly rated but Shadab is not far behind. Following are their stats: :inti

Shadab in T20s:
Batting:
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Matches: 81
Avg: 19
SR: 143

Bowling:
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Matches: 81
Average: 21
Econ: 7.04


Pandya in T20s:
Batting:
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Matches: 77
Avg: 24
SR: 1435

Bowling:
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Matches: 77
Average: 27.42
Econ: 8.32
 
Shadab hit a 20 ball fifty today against South Africa and already has taken 2 wickets in his first over! Talk about impact
 
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