Shah Mehmood Qureshi - PTI stalwart?

[Mamoon]

Although Imran Khan repeatedly assured the nation that he will select his team on merit, but it is no secret that you do not need any merit to serve in Imran Khan’s government. It is basically a competition between who can swoon the hardest on Imran Khan.

We have seen a remarkable assortment of charlatans serve as ministers in this government, but this is something far more sinister.

Shah Mehmood Qureshi studied in one of the most prestigious schools in Pakistan as well as Cambridge which requires no introduction.

However, in spite of receiving high quality education, he continues to scam the poor people of Multan who have no choice but recognize him as a pir who will “bless” his devotees.

What on earth is he doing anyway? He seems to be “blessing” women by patting their heads and reciting some spell and then cuts some hair with a scissor.

Should a fraud like him serve as one of the most prominent ministers in the country?

Will anyone bother to ask what was he doing and why was he doing it, and what would happen to his poor devotees if he doesn’t do what he is doing?

Apologists will say that this is his personal matter and has nothing to do with his credentials as a foreign minister. However, what does this say about his character and mentality?

Naya Pakistan is a gift that keeps on giving. This is Imran Khan’s “merit”.

 

[Savak]

You keep exposing yourself by just ruthlessly targetting the PTI. You never would have had an issue with SMQ had he been in the PPP or PML-N. And please don't hide behind the "Those parties never claimed to be revolutionaries".

 

[Sirris]

I hate fake pirs and their looting of the poor.

Seeing someone, who is supposed to know better, reinforcing this fraud is quite painful.

 

[Sirris]

I wonder how the whole world outside Pakistan manages to function without all these fake Pirs.

What a miracle in itself!

 

[Mamoon]

You keep exposing yourself by just ruthlessly targetting the PTI. You never would have had an issue with SMQ had he been in the PPP or PML-N. And please don't hide behind the "Those parties never claimed to be revolutionaries".

Of course I will. When you claim to be a self-righteous party that will bring change and do things that other parties have not, why won’t you be held to a higher/different standard?

Why hype yourself up if you cannot walk the talk?

This is the problem with PTI and its supporters. They want you to believe that they are different, but then they also want you to judge them with the same lens as other parties.

It doesn’t work like that.

 

[Sirris]

Of course I will. When you claim to be a self-righteous party that will bring change and do things that other parties have not, why won’t you be held to a higher/different standard?

Why hype yourself up if you cannot walk the talk?

This is the problem with PTI and its supporters. They want you to believe that they are different, but then they also want you to judge them with the same lens as other parties.

It doesn’t work like that.

This point makes sense, can't argue against it.

 

[uberkoen]

wow. This is just amazing. Looking forward to the excuses and the comparisons to PMLN.

 

[Mamoon]

It is important to note that this fake has no claim on the shrine of Bahauddin Zakariya.

His ancestors were rewarded with the custody of the shrine by the British.

 

[Savak]

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Of course I will. When you claim to be a self-righteous party that will bring change and do things that other parties have not, why won’t you be held to a higher/different standard?

Why hype yourself up if you cannot walk the talk?

This is the problem with PTI and its supporters. They want you to believe that they are different, but then they also want you to judge them with the same lens as other parties.

It doesn’t work like that.

So you will shut up and not mouth off when the likes of PPP and PML-N are in power and just accept the fact that this is how things are in our part of the world and country. People like you are exactly the reason why we have had mafia's ruling us for 30 years

 

[Mamoon]

Imagine this fake visiting another country as foreign minister where he is asked to comment on this video.

 

[Mamoon]

So you will shut up and not mouth off when the likes of PPP and PML-N are in power and just accept the fact that this is how things are in our part of the world and country. People like you are exactly the reason why we have had mafia's ruling us for 30 years

The ‘mafia’ is still ruling the country. This fake pir is also part of the mafia, and they are ruling the country because people like you have fallen for the tabdeeli scam.

 

[Savak]

Pakistani's are divided people. One class argues that Imran khan should have had faith in his original clean team which he started his party with at the start of his political career but the other class argues that there is no black and white rules in politics and that you can't keep backing losing horses, if his original clean team failed to build a connection in their localities, had failed to win seats and were always depending on IK to uplift them then he had to make tough choices by getting experienced electables in the party and no longer waste seats on non-ellectibles.

I have watched IK interviews over the years and he defended his decisions under the pretext that a political party cannot really make a difference by continuously being on the outskirts or in the opposition with a limited number of seats and that a party can only carry out its agenda by coming into office.

Lets also be clear, Mr Mamoon would still be complaining if IK had saints in his party who would get ministry's on merit but were incompetent and not delivering.

 

[Bigboii]

who cares tbh he is one of the few semi "competent" man in cabinet

you want the country to run into the ground

 

[Extra_Cover]

This is quite sad, honestly any sane educated person would not partake in such activities. SMQ should be given a stern warning by IK and quite frankly any further such nuisance and important ministries should be taken away from him. Foreign ministry is a very important job in Pakistan politics.

 

[Savak]

The ‘mafia’ is still ruling the country. This fake pir is also part of the mafia, and they are ruling the country because people like you have fallen for the tabdeeli scam.

Lol where was the scam? The PML N and PPP ruled the country for 20 years and we all see what they did to Pakistan during the tenure, everyone wanted an alternative. Also why complain about the mafia now when you never did in the last 20 years and will neither complain when they rule Pakistan again once PTI and IK is gone

 

[Bigboii]

Lets also be clear, Mr Mamoon would still be complaining if IK had saints in his party who would get ministry's on merit but were incompetent and not delivering.

as one should because incompetent people turn countries into sand

 

[Savak]

That said, Mamoon does have some good points and he is not alone, i have heard the same complaints again and again from people who have worked with PTI officials. My dad interacts with IK every month via web and as educated as he is, he was never an IK supporter and he and my mom, me always get into debates of IK but he cannot believe how unprepared this govt was for coming into power.

The facts don't like in a Cabinet of 50 people, IK has 44 technocrats and only 6 people are from the PTI. Clearly that shows a problem that he could not assess the competency of a lot of people he had in his party for the last 20 years. For me the Asad Umar Finance Ministry Fiasco was unbelievable

 

[Mamoon]

Lol where was the scam? The PML N and PPP ruled the country for 20 years and we all see what they did to Pakistan during the tenure, everyone wanted an alternative. Also why complain about the mafia now when you never did in the last 20 years and will neither complain when they rule Pakistan again once PTI and IK is gone

The scam is in front of you.

And if I take out the full list of scams, I will end up derailing this thread which I do not intend to do.

 

[Mamoon]

who cares tbh he is one of the few semi "competent" man in cabinet

you want the country to run into the ground

Does this seem like the work of a “competent” man?

 

[Mamoon]

I think Cambridge needs to ask him to return his degree. Clearly, all the time, effort and resources were wasted on him.

 

[Mamoon]

Any student who gets turned down by Cambridge should be shown this video so they don’t lose hope.

You could go to Cambridge and come out like this.

 

[Savak]

as one should because incompetent people turn countries into sand

My point is he is a habitual complainer and it is clear there is badniyati involved as well. The PTI is perhaps the only party in Pakistan i have seen in power where they have faced a brutal onslaught from day 1 till now with not a second to spare. I have never ever seen this in my life.

When the PPP were in power, PML N were playing a silent friendly opposition and the media anchors were not ruthlessly targetting the govt on a day to day basis from 2008 to 2013, then when the PML-N were in power, it was the same repeat scenario where PTI being the third opposition party was actually playing the role of the opposition and the vast majority of media anchors on tv were supporting the govt against the opposition.

Now that the PTI is in power, all i see is criticism everywhere.

 

[MenInG]

wow. This is just amazing. Looking forward to the excuses and the comparisons to PMLN.

I understand your loathing for PTI is real but you dont need to stoop to this sort of mudslinging which is normal for a few others. I expect better analysis from you.

 

[Bigboii]

Does this seem like the work of a “competent” man?

its being happening for centuries like that its customs I guess
his people are happy, he is happy all of em are adults who are we to judge you can disagree but its not illegal nor is it hurting anyone

we can only judge his job performance as a foreign minister not as a pir cause those people seemed to be satisfied with his performance

 

[Bewal Express]

The scam is in front of you.

And if I take out the full list of scams, I will end up derailing this thread which I do not intend to do.

So the the Nooras and the PPP werent a scam but anyone that challenges them is scam. I have challenged you every day on your support for every crook and thug that you support. So lets hear from you, do you still support, NS,SS,AZ,Maryam and Billo. And dont humiliate yourself like yesterday when you didnt even know the basics of the law about bails and NAB.

 

[KingKhanWC]

1. What is a Real Pir?

2. His politics has been very good esp in the PTI government. He is well spoken, smart and respected by world figures. He is also respected by many Pakistanis.

 

[Bewal Express]

its being happening for centuries like that its customs I guess
his people are happy, he is happy all of em are adults who are we to judge you can disagree but its not illegal nor is it hurting anyone

we can only judge his job performance as a foreign minister not as a pir cause those people seemed to be satisfied with his performance

I am not a follower or fan of pirs but to use this as evidence, shows the badniyaati of the followers of the mafia. Remember [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] supported Diesel, who suddenly became a hero of his and all the high principles about Mullahs went out of the window, until he ran with his tails between his legs.

 

[Savak]

Any student who gets turned down by Cambridge should be shown this video so they don’t lose hope.

You could go to Cambridge and come out like this.

Lol Billawal and Imran Khan have gone to Oxford. Whats your point

 

[Bigboii]

My point is he is a habitual complainer and it is clear there is badniyati involved as well. The PTI is perhaps the only party in Pakistan i have seen in power where they have faced a brutal onslaught from day 1 till now with not a second to spare. I have never ever seen this in my life.

When the PPP were in power, PML N were playing a silent friendly opposition and the media anchors were not ruthlessly targetting the govt on a day to day basis from 2008 to 2013, then when the PML-N were in power, it was the same repeat scenario where PTI being the third opposition party was actually playing the role of the opposition and the vast majority of media anchors on tv were supporting the govt against the opposition.

Now that the PTI is in power, all i see is criticism everywhere.

PTI went after the "corrupt" basically opposition but PMLN and PPP didn't go after each other so they were not a "good" opposition and I personally didn't like that about their rule and it was good that PTI filled that role

Know the idiotic dharna was bad but overall opposition role was good for PTI but in government they are straight up pathetic
The media anchors mostly veterans(knowing the political system and who was actually behind him) were against PMLN but new faces were 100% behind PTI

 

[Mamoon]

its being happening for centuries like that its customs I guess
his people are happy, he is happy all of em are adults who are we to judge you can disagree but its not illegal nor is it hurting anyone

we can only judge his job performance as a foreign minister not as a pir cause those people seemed to be satisfied with his performance

I don’t think his people are “happy”. His people are his serfs from whom he collects money while sitting crossed legged with an obnoxious turban on his head.

If these people do not serve this fake, they will be thrown to the dogs (literally).

The only thing you are right about is that this has been happening for centuries ever since the British gave the custody of the shrine to his family.

Unfortunately, Cambridge failed to take the fake pir out of him.

 

[Mamoon]

Lol Billawal and Imran Khan have gone to Oxford. Whats your point

I think the point is that if you don’t get into prestigious institutions, you can always make yourself feel better by looking at some high profile Pakistanis who graduated from there.

 

[Bewal Express]

PTI went after the "corrupt" basically opposition but PMLN and PPP didn't go after each other so they were not a "good" opposition and I personally didn't like that about their rule and it was good that PTI filled that role

Know the idiotic dharna was bad but overall opposition role was good for PTI but in government they are straight up pathetic
The media anchors mostly veterans(knowing the political system and who was actually behind him) were against PMLN but new faces were 100% behind PTI

We are one of the Worlds most corrupt countries, no institution bar the army works in PK. You have mafias in every sector, protecting their territory. You have ignorant souls that dont even know who grants bails and blame IK for the release of crooks, who by the way they support and want special treatment for. Confused, i am!

 

[KingKhanWC]

I don’t think his people are “happy”. His people are his serfs from whom he collects money while sitting crossed legged with an obnoxious turban on his head.

If these people do not serve this fake, they will be thrown to the dogs (literally).

The only thing you are right about is that this has been happening for centuries ever since the British gave the custody of the shrine to his family.

Unfortunately, Cambridge failed to take the fake pir out of him.

What is a real Pir?

Are you suggesting he is a traitor?

 

[Mamoon]

So the the Nooras and the PPP werent a scam but anyone that challenges them is scam. I have challenged you every day on your support for every crook and thug that you support. So lets hear from you, do you still support, NS,SS,AZ,Maryam and Billo. And dont humiliate yourself like yesterday when you didnt even know the basics of the law about bails and NAB.

Well forgive me because I was going by the speech of fake degree holder Murad Saeed. He claimed that when Imran becomes the PM, all corrupt politicians will be dealt with directly and they will not have to go through the judiciary and NAB.

I can show you the speech if you want. Perhaps you should direct your criticism at the fake degree holder.

 

[Darkrai]

What is a real Pir?

Are you suggesting he is a traitor?

The real Pir is one who can perform jadoo.

 

[Bigboii]

I don’t think his people are “happy”. His people are his serfs from whom he collects money while sitting crossed legged with an obnoxious turban on his head.

If these people do not serve this fake, they will be thrown to the dogs (literally).

The only thing you are right about is that this has been happening for centuries ever since the British gave the custody of the shrine to his family.

Unfortunately, Cambridge failed to take the fake pir out of him.

all I mean if the guy is competent I don't care if he is a serial killer, corrupt or a drug dealer

 

[Bewal Express]

I don’t think his people are “happy”. His people are his serfs from whom he collects money while sitting crossed legged with an obnoxious turban on his head.

If these people do not serve this fake, they will be thrown to the dogs (literally).

The only thing you are right about is that this has been happening for centuries ever since the British gave the custody of the shrine to his family.

Unfortunately, Cambridge failed to take the fake pir out of him.

But Billo went to Oxford and he is on course to be a bigger crook and thug than his dad.

 

[Mamoon]

What is a real Pir?

Are you suggesting he is a traitor?

In Sufism, peers are spiritual leaders who spread the word of God. They have no interest in worldly pleasures and devote their lives to spreading the word of God. They are different from regular preachers because their involvement in worldly activities is pretty much zero.

Over time, these pirs end with devotees and when they die, they honor their shrines. Eventually, these pirs become divine figures for their devotees even though none of these revered pirs in South Asia ever claimed to be divine.

Fake pirs are people like SMQ who scam poor people either for power or money or both. His ancestors were gifted the custody of the shrine and they have continued to maintain a stronghold over the people of their district through this business.

You can call his ancestors traitors if you wish. These ancestors of these super rich families in Pakistan with vast acres of agricultural land were right hand men of the British who rewarded them with all this wealth in exchange for doing their bidding.

 

[Mamoon]

The real Pir is one who can perform jadoo.

Nope. There is no such thing as magic apart from black magic which is said to exist, and genuine pirs do not claim to be black magicians.

 

[Mamoon]

all I mean if the guy is competent I don't care if he is a serial killer, corrupt or a drug dealer

I think competency and fake pir cannot be mentioned in one sentence. These are not the actions of a competent person.

This man is a fraud. Nothing less.

 

[Bewal Express]

Well forgive me because I was going by the speech of fake degree holder Murad Saeed. He claimed that when Imran becomes the PM, all corrupt politicians will be dealt with directly and they will not have to go through the judiciary and NAB.

I can show you the speech if you want. Perhaps you should direct your criticism at the fake degree holder.

Give him a 2/3 majority and they wont. The Judiciary and NAB are the protectors of the corrupt, they both need to be abolished and then we start again. In the Isa case 3 SC court judges( Justice Mansoor will be a future CJP) voted against asking Isa for a money trail, a money trail he said he wants to give and his wife apparently gave.

 

[Bigboii]

I think competency and fake pir cannot be mentioned in one sentence. These are not the actions of a competent person.

This man is a fraud. Nothing less.

its the same thing PTI people say that corrupt and competent people cant be the same than whats the difference between a fake pir (who is in this case not taking public money he is just being a fake pir) and a corrupt politician

I not really not getting your point tbh cause a corrupt can be competent (which I agree with) but a fake pir cant be competent wth
what separates a corrupt politician from a fake pir (being a fake pir to me seems to be a much lesser crime than corruption)

 

[Darkrai]

Nope. There is no such thing as magic apart from black magic which is said to exist, and genuine pirs do not claim to be black magicians.

A few years back I was in Pakistan and I saw people who performed black magic and they were referred to as Pirs.

 

[Mamoon]

A few years back I was in Pakistan and I saw people who performed black magic and they were referred to as Pirs.

Fake pirs are referred to as pirs by people who fall for their scam.

These people basically take advantage of numbers. When 100 people come to you and ask you to pray so that they get a job or their daughter gets married or a son is born to them, pretty much half of the sample will have their prayers answered anyway, and they become your devotees.

These devotees then refer you to other victims and your business keeps running this way until you catch the eye of the authorities and get exposed.

 

[KingKhanWC]

In spite of pretending to be a defender of Islam, your understanding of Islam is actually quite shallow. I suggest you read more about the history of Islam in the subcontinent and the role saints (pirs) played in the spread of Islam in this region.

There is actually a good chance you would still be a Hindu or a Sikh if it wasn’t for the efforts of saints in the subcontinent.

The reason why you won’t find any reference to saints in Islamic teachings itself because the word of God was spread by the Prophet (pbuh) himself and his companions.

These saints basically took over from the companions after they passed away.

Moreover, you can misquote and misinterpret my statement as much as you wish but I will not fall for your bait and derail the thread.

Of course you find the OP pathetic because you are enslaved by your sad devotion to Imran Khan who has scammed supporters like you.

Do you think Shah Mehmood Qureshi represents the tabdeeli that was promised?

lol There is no such thing as Saint in Islam, from authentic texts and life of the Prophet(pbuh). You dont have the ablitiy to debate this.

I have the quotes. You call on Indian air force to bomb kids because they might grow up to be terrorists yet you come here calling on a top government official who is working hard for Pakistans security a fraud? We know who the fraud is.

 

[Mamoon]

its the same thing PTI people say that corrupt and competent people cant be the same than whats the difference between a fake pir (who is in this case not taking public money he is just being a fake pir) and a corrupt politician

I not really not getting your point tbh cause a corrupt can be competent (which I agree with) but a fake pir cant be competent wth
what separates a corrupt politician from a fake pir (being a fake pir to me seems to be a much lesser crime than corruption)

A fake pir cannot be competent because competency is the result of education, qualification, knowledge and intelligence with special focus on critical thinking.

Such a person will never fall for the fake pir business or will never practice it. If Shah Mehmood Qureshi had a shred of competency which he acquired from his excellent education, he would have abolished this practice.

You can argue that corruption is a bigger crime but it is a very different crime. A person with education, qualification, knowledge, intelligence and impressive critical thinking skills could be corrupt as well due to multiple reasons.

For example, his financial status might force him to make money under the table or maybe he feels he is not getting paid enough for his expertise.

The corruption of politicians is obviously a different issue. That is largely based on greed rather than necessity.

 

[Mamoon]

lol There is no such thing as Saint in Islam, from authentic texts and life of the Prophet(pbuh). You dont have the ablitiy to debate this.

I have the quotes. You call on Indian air force to bomb kids because they might grow up to be terrorists yet you come here calling on a top government official who is working hard for Pakistans security a fraud? We know who the fraud is.

You should stop detailing the thread to avoid getting your efforts wasted. Stick to peers and SMQ if you don’t wish to see your posts binned.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

Again, there is no concept of saints in Islam because the message of Islam was spread by the Prophet (PBUH) during his lifetime and by his companions.

However, if you read the teachings of Islam, you will find specific emphasis on the importance of spreading the word of God.

This is where the saints come into play. A true saint devotes his entire life to spreading the word of God.

Similarly, there is no concept of maulvi in Islam either. The maulvi profession does not exist in Islamic teachings and it did not exist at the time of the Prophet (PBUH).

Every adult Muslim man must have the capability to lead prayers, do funerals and perform nikkah. However, the maulvi profession became a necessity with time as the world became modernized.

A true saint is nothing but a very pious Muslim who has left worldly pleasures and has devoted his life to spreading the word of God.

 

[ElRaja]

cant stand the guy, my personal subjective opinion.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You should stop detailing the thread to avoid getting your efforts wasted. Stick to peers and SMQ if you don’t wish to see your posts binned.

The point is relevant, you used the word 'fake' in your title.

There are many fake people in Pakistan, some claim to be patriots but want enemies to attack. SMQ is not a fake person, we dont know the context of this so before calling out others being fake, look within.

 

[KingKhanWC]

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

Again, there is no concept of saints in Islam because the message of Islam was spread by the Prophet (PBUH) during his lifetime and by his companions.

However, if you read the teachings of Islam, you will find specific emphasis on the importance of spreading the word of God.

This is where the saints come into play. A true saint devotes his entire life to spreading the word of God.

Similarly, there is no concept of maulvi in Islam either. The maulvi profession does not exist in Islamic teachings and it did not exist at the time of the Prophet (PBUH).

Every adult Muslim man must have the capability to lead prayers, do funerals and perform nikkah. However, the maulvi profession became a necessity with time as the world became modernized.

A true saint is nothing but a very pious Muslim who has left worldly pleasures and has devoted his life to spreading the word of God.

The word 'saint' is a Christian word. Maulvi comes from Arabic and one of the meanings is Lord. Both terms are incorrect to use.

Its upto the Lord to decide who is a good muslim or not, scholars are respected or those who lead prayers. Every adult cannot have the ability as some maybe new converts and some may struggle with memorising the texts.

 

[Mamoon]

The point is relevant, you used the word 'fake' in your title.

There are many fake people in Pakistan, some claim to be patriots but want enemies to attack. SMQ is not a fake person, we dont know the context of this so before calling out others being fake, look within.

You are talking nonsense as usual.

This does not need any context. He is ‘blessing’ women who are bowing down to him and then cutting their hair with a scissor. What context are you looking for here?

He is scamming the poor people of his district. Why is he performing this ritual will happen if he doesn’t perform it?

 

[Mamoon]

The word 'saint' is a Christian word. Maulvi comes from Arabic and one of the meanings is Lord. Both terms are incorrect to use.

Its upto the Lord to decide who is a good muslim or not, scholars are respected or those who lead prayers. Every adult cannot have the ability as some maybe new converts and some may struggle with memorising the texts.

Yes, and that is not the point at all. Genuine peers who have made great contributions to the spread of Islam in the subcontinent (and probably converted your ancestors) never called themselves peers.

It was a title given to them by their students who learned about Islam from them.

Peer is a Persian word that basically means an elder or a mentor.

Your understanding that there is no such thing as peer in Islam is incorrect. There is significant emphasis on guidance and teaching in Islam because not every person has the capability to learn and understand the Quran and the hadees.

 

[MenInG]

You are talking nonsense as usual.

This does not need any context. He is ‘blessing’ women who are bowing down to him and then cutting their hair with a scissor. What context are you looking for here?

He is scamming the poor people of his district. Why is he performing this ritual will happen if he doesn’t perform it?

He probably believes in his power and your version of fake is clearly not the version of the people who believe in him.

 

[Mamoon]

He probably believes in his power and your version of fake is clearly not the version of the people who believe in him.

Do these poor and uneducated people of Multan have a choice? Remember - he is a feudal lord and they are his serfs.

If he believes in his power, why doesn’t he show it to the outside world? Why don’t we call him on live tv and ask him to show his power?

Moreover, why doesn’t he resolve Pakistan’s problems with his power? I am sure he can cast a spell and COVID-19 will vanish from the country, or maybe as Foreign Minister, he can cast a spell on Modi and convince him to hand over Kashmir to Pakistan.

 

[Mamoon]

That said, Mamoon does have some good points and he is not alone, i have heard the same complaints again and again from people who have worked with PTI officials. My dad interacts with IK every month via web and as educated as he is, he was never an IK supporter and he and my mom, me always get into debates of IK but he cannot believe how unprepared this govt was for coming into power.

The facts don't like in a Cabinet of 50 people, IK has 44 technocrats and only 6 people are from the PTI. Clearly that shows a problem that he could not assess the competency of a lot of people he had in his party for the last 20 years. For me the Asad Umar Finance Ministry Fiasco was unbelievable

Few days back, Hassan Nisar stated that PTI is that “nalaik” student who doesn’t even bother to open the books even on the day before the exam, and spends the entire school year accusing other students of cheating.

His comparison was spot on.

 

[Jin Chacha]

How hard is it to say that I support PTI but dont condone SMQ's actions and the feudal mindset that they are a reflection of. Instead we have people talking about PML-N, PPP and what being a 'pir' actually means. Same goes for the Zartaj Gul thread. Supporting PTI doesn't mean I have to condone the behavior of each and every PTI minister.

 

[Mamoon]

How hard is it to say that I support PTI but dont condone SMQ's actions and the feudal mindset that they are a reflection of. Instead we have people talking about PML-N, PPP and what being a 'pir' actually means. Same goes for the Zartaj Gul thread. Supporting PTI doesn't mean I have to condone the behavior of each and every PTI minister.

It is not hard if you are a PTI supporter, but it is practically impossible if you have cult mentality, which unfortunately most of the people here fall into.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

The existence of a fake pir implies the existence of the real pir. So, lol, I guess?

 

[Mamoon]

The existence of a fake pir implies the existence of the real pir. So, lol, I guess?

Real pirs are godly men who have little to no interest in worldly affairs and devote their lives to spreading the word of God. These pirs have made huge contributions to the expansion of Islam in the subcontinent.

Islam in the subcontinent was predominantly spread through the night of the sword abd through the teachings of pirs. People who dismiss their importance today would probably not be Muslims today if their forefathers were not their devotees.

The real pirs were not in for money or power, and neither did they claim to have any special “healing powers”.

The fake pirs, like our esteemed Cambridge qualified Foreign Minister, scam poor people by claiming to have special healing powers. In this particular case, Shah Mehmood Qureshi’s family was gifted the custody of the Bahauddin Zakariya shrine, a 12 century peer, by the British as a reward for their services to the Queen.

His family have since used the shrine and their status as fake peers to control the poor people of Multan who are mostly serfs who have no choice but to serve their feudal lord and seek blessings from them.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Real pirs are godly men who have little to no interest in worldly affairs and devote their lives to spreading the word of God. These pirs have made huge contributions to the expansion of Islam in the subcontinent.

Islam in the subcontinent was predominantly spread through the night of the sword abd through the teachings of pirs. People who dismiss their importance today would probably not be Muslims today if their forefathers were not their devotees.

The real pirs were not in for money or power, and neither did they claim to have any special “healing powers”.

The fake pirs, like our esteemed Cambridge qualified Foreign Minister, scam poor people by claiming to have special healing powers. In this particular case, Shah Mehmood Qureshi’s family was gifted the custody of the Bahauddin Zakariya shrine, a 12 century peer, by the British as a reward for their services to the Queen.

His family have since used the shrine and their status as fake peers to control the poor people of Multan who are mostly serfs who have no choice but to serve their feudal lord and seek blessings from them.

There is no such thing as real pir. End of the argument.

 

[Mamoon]

There is no such thing as real pir. End of the argument.

You need to learn about the history of Islam in subcontinent and also clear your confusion on what a real pir (saint) is before ending an argument.

Saints like Bahuddin Zakriya, Bulle Shah, Shahbaz Qalandar, Ali Hujwiri etc. were real and made immense contributions to the spread of Islam in the subcontinent as well as Afghanistan and Iran.

These people didn’t do it for money, fame, power and neither did they claim to have special powers.

They were simply pious men who devoted their lives to glorify God and spread His word. The only difference between them and others was that they devoted their lives to God. They did not have and did not claim to have special powers or mystic abilities.

 

[King-Misbah]

You need to learn about the history of Islam in subcontinent and also clear your confusion on what a real pir (saint) is before ending an argument.

Saints like Bahuddin Zakriya, Bulle Shah, Shahbaz Qalandar, Ali Hujwiri etc. were real and made immense contributions to the spread of Islam in the subcontinent as well as Afghanistan and Iran.

These people didn’t do it for money, fame, power and neither did they claim to have special powers.

They were simply pious men who devoted their lives to glorify God and spread His word. The only difference between them and others was that they devoted their lives to God. They did not have and did not claim to have special powers or mystic abilities.

You are no one to decide who is real or fake. You need to look within.

 

[Mamoon]

You are no one to decide who is real or fake. You need to look within.

No, I am comfortable in passing judgement against Shah Mehmood Qureshi. He is a fake who is scamming the poor people of Multan who no choice but to bow down to their feudal lord.

As a PTI cult-member, you are free to defend him and justify his actions, and you can also do what you and your likes do best - engage in ad hominem instead of addressing the point at hand.

 

[King-Misbah]

No, I am comfortable in passing judgement against Shah Mehmood Qureshi. He is a fake who is scamming the poor people of Multan who no choice but to bow down to their feudal lord.

As a PTI cult-member, you are free to defend him and justify his actions, and you can also do what you and your likes do best - engage in ad hominem instead of addressing the point at hand.

What a absurd comment. How do you feel comfortable? And who are you to pass a judgement? You are an absolute nobody.

You were not comfortable to raise your voice against the proven corruption of the Sharifs. Yet again, you are comfortable picking up absurd issues and linking them to corruption. Qureshis elders were peers, he is only carrying their legacy forward. The people of Multan are the ones who should decide whether he is real or fake. You have nothing to do with it.

 

[Bewal Express]

No, I am comfortable in passing judgement against Shah Mehmood Qureshi. He is a fake who is scamming the poor people of Multan who no choice but to bow down to their feudal lord.

As a PTI cult-member, you are free to defend him and justify his actions, and you can also do what you and your likes do best - engage in ad hominem instead of addressing the point at hand.

But your not comfortable talking about the killing of 14 people in broad daylight or and you are not comfortable talking about the killing of an innocent journalist by Billo. Who is the biggest worshipper of the mafia on here, who runs when challenged with his own complicity in murder. Yes, you.

 

[Bewal Express]

What a absurd comment. How do you feel comfortable? And who are you to pass a judgement? You are an absolute nobody.

You were not comfortable to raise your voice against the proven corruption of the Sharifs. Yet again, you are comfortable picking up absurd issues and linking them to corruption. Qureshis elders were peers, he is only carrying their legacy forward. The people of Multan are the ones who should decide whether he is real or fake. You have nothing to do with it.

He worships the mafia, every post is about how to get the mafia back in power. Look at how he runs from any post challenging him on the murder of innocent people including journalists in Sindh. Is there a bigger scamster on the forum than this mafia worshipper. A person who doesnt even know the basic law on bail and the separation of power between the executive and judiciary.

 

[uberkoen]

What a absurd comment. How do you feel comfortable? And who are you to pass a judgement? You are an absolute nobody.

You were not comfortable to raise your voice against the proven corruption of the Sharifs. Yet again, you are comfortable picking up absurd issues and linking them to corruption. Qureshis elders were peers, he is only carrying their legacy forward. The people of Multan are the ones who should decide whether he is real or fake. You have nothing to do with it.

You're saying misguiding the uneducated people of Multan to believe in him as a 'peer' and start being involved in practices which are clearly 'Bidah' is justifiable?

You don't have to be 'anyone' to raise your voice or pass your judgement. It is posts like these that show us the type of people in power and lets us know what a waste our votes have gone to so we may learn and better ourselves next time.

 

[Mamoon]

What a absurd comment. How do you feel comfortable? And who are you to pass a judgement? You are an absolute nobody.

You were not comfortable to raise your voice against the proven corruption of the Sharifs. Yet again, you are comfortable picking up absurd issues and linking them to corruption. Qureshis elders were peers, he is only carrying their legacy forward. The people of Multan are the ones who should decide whether he is real or fake. You have nothing to do with it.

This thread is not about your favorite boogeymen the Sharifs and Zardaris, against whom you have no issues in passing judgement.

Besides, this fake pir was part of PPP for 18 years and had no issues with their “corruption” as long as he was benefiting as a politician. Why are you defending him now?

I have already explained that his ancestors were gifted the custody of the shrine by the British for their services to the Queen. Since then, they have assumed the role of fake pirs to control their serfs.

The poor people of Multan are not in a position to do anything. They are his subjects and if they don’t obey him they will suffer. These are type of feudal lords Imran has unleashed on Pakistan to bring tabdeeli.

 

[Mamoon]

He worships the mafia, every post is about how to get the mafia back in power. Look at how he runs from any post challenging him on the murder of innocent people including journalists in Sindh. Is there a bigger scamster on the forum than this mafia worshipper. A person who doesnt even know the basic law on bail and the separation of power between the executive and judiciary.

Shah Mehmood Qureshi was part of PPP for 18 years. He is also part of the mafia and worshipped Bhutto clan for as long as he could benefit from them politically.

 

[King-Misbah]

Shah Mehmood Qureshi was part of PPP for 18 years. He is also part of the mafia and worshipped Bhutto clan for as long as he could benefit from them politically.

Did you raise your voice against Qureshi when he was in: PPP?

 

[Mamoon]

Did you raise your voice against Qureshi when he was in: PPP?

I am raising my voice against PTI hypocrites who claimed that they will bring tabdeeli but have given ministries to the same status quo.

I am raising my voice against the biggest scam this country has seen since 1947 - the tabdeeli scam.

 

[King-Misbah]

I am raising my voice against PTI hypocrites who claimed that they will bring tabdeeli but have given ministries to the same status quo.

I am raising my voice against the biggest scam this country has seen since 1947 - the tabdeeli scam.

You support the status quo so why are you raising your voice?

 

[Mamoon]

You support the status quo so why are you raising your voice?

I will raise my voice until PTI supporters admit that they have been scammed by their leader under the fake tabdeeli banner.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

To win a election outside of major cities in Pakistan, you need "electables". The electables, along with the party's vote bank is what is needed to win in those constituencies. So it makes sense that Imran Khan and PTI did that as well. This strategy needs to be extended to Interior Sindh, where the second biggest electable in every constituency should be given a PTI ticket.

As for why Querishi got the Foreign Minister job, well the ministries need to go to elected parliamentarians, and as he has already served as a Foreign Minister, surely he is qualified for the position.

 

[Bewal Express]

Shah Mehmood Qureshi was part of PPP for 18 years. He is also part of the mafia and worshipped Bhutto clan for as long as he could benefit from them politically.

And if he stayed in the PPP then you wouldnt have said a word never mind a thread. For you they turn bad when they go to the PTI, for us the question is whether they have an issues with corruption. For example, if AA came to the PTI tomorrow, I would accept him for his intellect.

 

[Bewal Express]

I will raise my voice until PTI supporters admit that they have been scammed by their leader under the fake tabdeeli banner.

But you will not raise your voice( or whisper) against murderers, rapists and looters. Obviously, those guys are close to your heart.

 

[Bewal Express]

To win a election outside of major cities in Pakistan, you need "electables". The electables, along with the party's vote bank is what is needed to win in those constituencies. So it makes sense that Imran Khan and PTI did that as well. This strategy needs to be extended to Interior Sindh, where the second biggest electable in every constituency should be given a PTI ticket.

As for why Querishi got the Foreign Minister job, well the ministries need to go to elected parliamentarians, and as he has already served as a Foreign Minister, surely he is qualified for the position.

Totally agree. It's better to deal with bad people to keep out the very bad people. You must start somewhere to end the PPP looting.

 

[King-Misbah]

To win a election outside of major cities in Pakistan, you need "electables". The electables, along with the party's vote bank is what is needed to win in those constituencies. So it makes sense that Imran Khan and PTI did that as well. This strategy needs to be extended to Interior Sindh, where the second biggest electable in every constituency should be given a PTI ticket.

As for why Querishi got the Foreign Minister job, well the ministries need to go to elected parliamentarians, and as he has already served as a Foreign Minister, surely he is qualified for the position.

We all know that, it is just Mamoon Sharif being difficult because he is part of the status quo.

 

[Bewal Express]

You support the status quo so why are you raising your voice?

No, those guys are good. Them killing people to stay in power is good.