Shakib Al Hasan becomes fourth bowler to pick up a five-fer against nine Test teams

[Dios]

After Muttiah Muralitharan, Dale Steyn and Rangana Herath.

What a player!

 

[Executioner]

Surprised not too many others achieved it

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Great works by him. Congratulations to him

 

[Cuts_and_cuts_hard]

Great player. In the last 25 years, apart from Kallis, no one has provided as much value as him to a team.

 

[saeed5646]

they have best opener and best all rounder in the world but unfortunately there is flaw in icc ranking due to
which they are still at 9 in test ranking .shakib is bD legend but not amongst the greats .......

 

[Mainul]

they have best opener and best all rounder in the world but unfortunately there is flaw in icc ranking due to
which they are still at 9 in test ranking .shakib is bD legend but not amongst the greats .......

Shakib is already among the greats. He is fastest to achieve test double of 150 test wickets and 3500 test runs with a very impressive average.He will very soon be the fastest to reach double of 200 test wickets plus 4000 test runs ( as he has 182 test wickets and 3563 test runs so far).He is only the 4th bowler to have 5 wickets haul against all 9 oppositions in tests.He has impressive records as an all rounder in ODIs also. He will be regarded as a legend of the game inshaAllah when he retires.

 

[saeed5646]

Shakib is already among the greats. He is fastest to achieve test double of 150 test wickets and 3500 test runs with a very impressive average.He will very soon be the fastest to reach double of 200 test wickets plus 4000 test runs ( as he has 182 test wickets and 3563 test runs so far).He is only the 4th bowler to have 5 wickets haul against all 9 oppositions in tests.He has impressive records as an all rounder in ODIs also. He will be regarded as a legend of the game inshaAllah when he retires.

Shakib have massive impact on bd cricket no doubt about that but he is not amongs the greats so far
Simply look at the kallis oustanding stats but he is neverd been mention with the greats like kapil,imran etc due to simple reason there is not single icc world cup won under him by SA same apply to shakib the day bd win the worldcup with his big role in it than he will be mentions with the greats

 

[aloo paratha]

Shakib will finish as an ATG. I love his bowling.

 

[BD-fan]

It took only one innings against Australia to achieve this feat. This is his 1st Test match against Australia. He already played 10+ year of test cricket. And this is only his 50th test.

10+ years a player from any top 8 teams would already have played close to 100 if injury didn't stop them. Such is the lopsided scheduling in Test Cricket.

Imagine what kind of stats he would have if he had played 75 test matches in this time.

 

[Saj]

An excellent cricketer in all formats and a player who would walk into most international teams including the Pakistan team.

 

[Stallion__]

This is one great achievement.

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=139510]saeed5646[/MENTION] Has a point, shakib may well end his career as a legend, but will he break into ATG World XI ? am not so sure

 

[Executioner]

^you have to be a very special player to do that. Shakib can only sneak in as a spin bowling allrounder in spin friendly conditions. Otherwise don't think so

 

[BD-fan]

[MENTION=139510]saeed5646[/MENTION] Has a point, shakib may well end his career as a legend, but will he break into ATG World XI ? am not so sure

True. We are obsessed with (1) FAST bowling alrounder; Shakib is a spinner, an SLA. Not even a leggie which could be eye catching to some.

(2) Winner. Shakib playing for BD for such a long time and losing most of the series doesn't allow him to be considered as a winner.

(3) Taking it for granted. He has more weeks as #1 alrounder in the world more than any cricketer ever, even more than Federer was in Tennis. We don't even know how to process that.

(4) His demeanor. His relaxed approach to the game doesn't show how competitive he is inside.

 

[Suleiman]

3rd best allrounder in the world these days, happy for him. Hopefully he guides Bangladesh to a historic win.

 

[Proactive_]

Greatest all rounder of our generation without question..

 

[Executioner]

3rd best allrounder in the world these days, happy for him. Hopefully he guides Bangladesh to a historic win.

Which 2 players are better than him currently?

 

[Mainul]

Shakib have massive impact on bd cricket no doubt about that but he is not amongs the greats so far
Simply look at the kallis oustanding stats but he is neverd been mention with the greats like kapil,imran etc due to simple reason there is not single icc world cup won under him by SA same apply to shakib the day bd win the worldcup with his big role in it than he will be mentions with the greats

Invalid point.Sir Ian Botham didn't win any world cup.Yet he is a legend,argubly greatest all-rounder.

Jack Kallis isn't mentioned often only because he is a South African.But in cricketing sense he is a legend.

It is not necessary that a cricketer is regarded a legend,a great if Indians,Pak fans recognizes them as legend and great.

If Shakib gets few more productive years in terms of no. of matches (as Bangladesh play or gets to play very few matches) he will surely be cited besides Botham,Imran,Sobers,Kapil, Kallis.

 

[idrizzy]

Which 2 players are better than him currently?

Ali is the best atm.

 

[joly]

Already an ATG

 

[BDfanforever]

Ali is the best atm.

Thanks for the laugh...

 

[idrizzy]

Thanks for the laugh...

No probs. I'm here every Monday.

 

[Executioner]

Ali is the best atm.

Not sure if that's reasonable given Ali averages 6 less with the bat and 4 more with the ball

 

[light]

Shakib have massive impact on bd cricket no doubt about that but he is not amongs the greats so far
Simply look at the kallis oustanding stats but he is neverd been mention with the greats like kapil,imran etc due to simple reason there is not single icc world cup won under him by SA same apply to shakib the day bd win the worldcup with his big role in it than he will be mentions with the greats

Kallis is not mentioned as an all-time great? Which prof commie or cricketer said that exactly? He is by far the greatest allrounders till date to play this game by along shot.

 

[Suleiman]

Which 2 players are better than him currently?

Abdullah and Stokes.

 

[idrizzy]

Not sure if that's reasonable given Ali averages 6 less with the bat and 4 more with the ball

Different conditions. I hope Bangladesh tour England to compare both players in neutral conditions.

 

[MMHS]

Abdullah and Stokes.

Our mod is a great block, but didn't know that he is that good in cricket ....

 

[Executioner]

[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] looking forward to see you in PSL next season

 

[Abdullah719]

Our mod is a great block, but didn't know that he is that good in cricket ....

You can see I have 14,000+ runs......

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Since when do 5 fers vs Zimbabwe only equal "against all 9 nations"?

 

[Hasan123]

High quality all rounder. Congrats to him.

 

[MMHS]

You can see I have 14,000+ runs......

But, here Suleiman is talking about all-rounders ...........

 

[saeed5646]

Invalid point.Sir Ian Botham didn't win any world cup.Yet he is a legend,argubly greatest all-rounder.

Jack Kallis isn't mentioned often only because he is a South African.But in cricketing sense he is a legend.

It is not necessary that a cricketer is regarded a legend,a great if Indians,Pak fans recognizes them as legend and great.

If Shakib gets few more productive years in terms of no. of matches (as Bangladesh play or gets to play very few matches) he will surely be cited besides Botham,Imran,Sobers,Kapil, Kallis.

no one in right mind will consider ian botham as a greatest all rounder

and i will repeat again shakib needs to win icc event for bd other wise he will be on same level with kallis

and never be with ATG allrounder like kapil or imran

 

[Executioner]

It's ridiculous to say that you need a world cup to be regarded as an ATG allrounder. Cricket is a team game. You are just one player in a team of 11 players.

This kind of criterions are just plain stupid. You can definitely question the performance of the player in ICC events but you can't disregard a player because he didn't win a world cup. Kallis Botham are greats regardless. Khan and Dev are legends because they have legendary performance in cricket.

And don't forget that there is no world cup for tests.

 

[Executioner]

Walsh Ambrose zero world cups.
Dravid zero world cups
Richard Hadlee zero world cups
Dale Steyn zero world cups
Don Bradman zero world cups
Andy flower zero world cups

Doesn't mean they are lesser cricketers because their team didn't win a tournament. The only arguement valid here is that the performance in world cups is not satisfactory.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

He is the best allrounder in last 5 years by a distance. He plays in a really weak team (actually minnow in tests) so his efforts dont translate into wins.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

Surprised not too many others achieved it

Because it is not that big of a deal

 

[sshakir411]

Willing to trade him for Imad Wasim

 

[Joseph Gomes]

no one in right mind will consider ian botham as a greatest all rounder

and i will repeat again shakib needs to win icc event for bd other wise he will be on same level with kallis

and never be with ATG allrounder like kapil or imran

Kapil is not half the player Kallis was. Kallis as a batsman alone was on par with modern ATG like Ponting, lara and Tendulkar.

 

[Executioner]

Because it is not that big of a deal

Not sure players give extra effort to achieve these records

 

[saeed5646]

Walsh Ambrose zero world cups.
Dravid zero world cups
Richard Hadlee zero world cups
Dale Steyn zero world cups
Don Bradman zero world cups
Andy flower zero world cups

Doesn't mean they are lesser cricketers because their team didn't win a tournament. The only arguement valid here is that the performance in world cups is not satisfactory.

do shakib have any good record in 50 over format worldcup? do some research and you will get where shakib is

behind

 

[Executioner]

do shakib have any good record in 50 over format worldcup? do some research and you will get where shakib is

behind

Record in ODI World cups is decent, not extra ordinary. Great record in T20 world cups. Scored a top class century in the CT.

So decent performance in ICC events

 

[saeed5646]

Record in ODI World cups is decent, not extra ordinary. Great record in T20 world cups. Scored a top class century in the CT.

So decent performance in ICC events

worldcup 2007 2011 and 2015 i am talking about CT and world t20 are irrelevant

 

[Executioner]

worldcup 2007 2011 or 2015 i am talking about CT and world t20 are irrelevant

I checked the record few years ago Decent record for an all-rounder. If you are going to ask me if he has brilliant performance in world cups then the answer is no.

Overall record in ODIs is still brilliant 35 with bat 29 with ball.

 

[Executioner]

If he can win this match for his team then he will definitely go down as a great

He is already the greatest spin bowling allrounder ever

 

[light]

If he can win this match for his team then he will definitely go down as a great

He is already the greatest spin bowling allrounder ever

Seems like it. Has there been any other top spin allrounder beside Afridi? And no Jadeja and Ashwin are not allrounders. Who knows why they are even labeled as one ...

 

[Executioner]

Seems like it. Has there been any other top spin allrounder beside Afridi? And no Jadeja and Ashwin are not allrounders. Who knows why they are even labeled as one ...

Daniel Vettori and some other Australian cricketer comes close. Sobers would bowl occasional spin.

Jadeja and Ashwin are bowling allrounder. Excellent utility batsmen but not genuine allrounders

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Seems like it. Has there been any other top spin allrounder beside Afridi? And no Jadeja and Ashwin are not allrounders. Who knows why they are even labeled as one ...

Vettori was a genuine allrounder in test. He has 6 tons I think

 

[light]

True, how can I forget about Vettori. Nabi also has potential

 

[Executioner]

Nabi really good for LOIs. But doesn't have the skillset for tests.

 

[Executioner]

They said Shakib "lacks" impact.

I am glad that Shakib doesn't have impact because either way he is a match winner and and a bona fide great of the game

 

[Joseph Gomes]

They said Shakib "lacks" impact.

I am glad that Shakib doesn't have impact because either way he is a match winner and and a bona fide great of the game

Shakib is very overrated in ODIs. He's a gun player in tests though

 

[Executioner]

Shakib is very overrated in ODIs. He's a gun player in tests though

35 with bat and 7 centuries, 29 average with ball in ODIs. For an all-rounder that's pretty excellent. Compare that with other allrounders like stokes whose batting average is 34 and bowling is 37ish

 

[Joseph Gomes]

35 with bat and 7 centuries, 29 average with ball in ODIs. For an all-rounder that's pretty excellent. Compare that with other allrounders like stokes whose batting average is 34 and bowling is 37ish

His ODI stats are very much inflated by playing against Zim. His bowling average shoots up to 33.59 when you exclude Zim from stats. Also 3 of his 7 centuries have comes against Zim

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...rderby=default;template=results;type=allround

 

[light]

Nabi really good for LOIs. But doesn't have the skillset for tests.

Yet to be seen. Could be right, could be wrong. Bigger question is, when will AFG and IRE play their first test match?

 

[light]

no one in right mind will consider ian botham as a greatest all rounder

and i will repeat again shakib needs to win icc event for bd other wise he will be on same level with kallis

and never be with ATG allrounder like kapil or imran

I will repeat once again, you are delusional. Kallis is the greatest ALLROUNDER this game has witnessed till date. ICC trophy or no trophy, he has the stats and skills to back it up. KAPIL and IMRAN are great allrounders, not in the league of KALLIS. Your personal opinion has nothing to do with him not being RECOGNIZED.

 

[Executioner]

His ODI stats are very much inflated by playing against Zim. His bowling average shoots up to 33.59 when you exclude Zim from stats. Also 3 of his 7 centuries have comes against Zim

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...rderby=default;template=results;type=allround

Most players inflate their stats by playing against minnows. His record is still decent.

But most impressive part is that he has been the number 1 allrounder in ODIs consistently for the past 7 years. Compare his ODI record with contemporary greats like Imran Khan and Dev you will see he is not inferior. Overall better stats than Dev and Botham. Although tbh different eras and those guys played for a long time. Shakib has 8 years left atleast

Two allrounders whose stats are superior to that of Shakib is Kallis and Imran Khan. Kallis greatest batting allrounder and the latter greatest genuine allrounder. Shakib will have to play out of his skin to be neck and and neck alongside those legends in ODIs.

 

[saeed5646]

I will repeat once again, you are delusional. Kallis is the greatest ALLROUNDER this game has witnessed till date. ICC trophy or no trophy, he has the stats and skills to back it up. KAPIL and IMRAN are great allrounders, not in the league of KALLIS. Your personal opinion has nothing to do with him not being RECOGNIZED.

ok i am no body to say this but who are you to claim this ?respect the opinion rather than judging other

kallis is choker in icc events stats is not every thing and that is why he lag behind the imran and kapil

 

[saeed5646]

I will repeat once again, you are delusional. Kallis is the greatest ALLROUNDER this game has witnessed till date. ICC trophy or no trophy, he has the stats and skills to back it up. KAPIL and IMRAN are great allrounders, not in the league of KALLIS. Your personal opinion has nothing to do with him not being RECOGNIZED.

kallis was world class batsmen but as a allrounder he was not good which proves he average 45 with the ball

in icc worldcup so i stand by he is not better allrounder than imran or kapil

 

[Executioner]

kallis was world class batsmen but as a allrounder he was not good which proves he average 45 with the ball

in icc worldcup so i stand by he is not better allrounder than imran or kapil

ODI World cup the only format for judging players?

He averages 32 with ball in both formats.
55 with bat in Tests.

That's +23 difference
2nd Highest interns of difference in average is Imran Khan
3rd is Shakib

Players play around 15-20 matches in world cup. What about the other 500 off matches

 

[ExpressPacer]

Most players inflate their stats by playing against minnows. His record is still decent.

But most impressive part is that he has been the number 1 allrounder in ODIs consistently for the past 7 years. Compare his ODI record with contemporary greats like Imran Khan and Dev you will see he is not inferior. Overall better stats than Dev and Botham. Although tbh different eras and those guys played for a long time. Shakib has 8 years left atleast

Two allrounders whose stats are superior to that of Shakib is Kallis and Imran Khan. Kallis greatest batting allrounder and the latter greatest genuine allrounder. Shakib will have to play out of his skin to be neck and and neck alongside those legends in ODIs.

Statistically, Shakib will most likely overtake Imran Khan.

 

[Executioner]

Statistically, Shakib will most likely overtake Imran Khan.

Only as a Batsman. Never the bowler.

 

[light]

ok i am no body to say this but who are you to claim this ?respect the opinion rather than judging other

kallis is choker in icc events stats is not every thing and that is why he lag behind the imran and kapil

I haven't judged you on a personal level nor have I not respected your opinion but rather stated a fact. Don't start getting all defensive, this is a discussion forum. If you have an opinion, expect it to be challenged. He is and will be probably the greatest all rounder to ever represent the game of cricket. It's in his stats, professional cricket pundits/cricketers backs this up. What does CHOCKING - or as I like to call it "not performing well" in a certain match or an event has to do with him not being the greatest all rounder? Your arguments once again has no strong base. You are stuck at cherry picking your stats. Like executioner mentioned, 15 matches vs the other 500 matches.

 

[anindo]

Shakib is a top cricketer and has been so for a while. He would walk into any current Test team which just shows how good he is.

 

[Energetic]

Top 10 all-rounders of all time. Still, he's nothing special with the bat or ball, but as an effective all-rounder.

 

[Mainul]

no one in right mind will consider ian botham as a greatest all rounder

and i will repeat again shakib needs to win icc event for bd other wise he will be on same level with kallis

and never be with ATG allrounder like kapil or imran

I used the word argubly, not the best.There can be no unique decision on who is the best all rounder.People will give opinion on either of these 5 mostly: Botham,Sobers,Kapil,Imran, Kallis. Unanimous decision can never be taken on best player. Botham has taken 5200 runs and 383 wickets, better tally of runs and wickets than Imran.So you can't rule him out such easily.

It sounds ridiculous that to be the best one should win ICC tournament. Energetic described it beautifully. Imran and Kapil could not win world cup without one Amarnath, Madanlal,Patil,Srikant,Bini,Miandad,Wasim,Aaqib,Ramiz,Mustaq,Sohail. No one in good mind will say that they won world cup single handedly. Bangladesh don't posses the line up of Kapil's 1983 and Imran's 1992.

 

[The_Odd_One]

kallis was world class batsmen but as a allrounder he was not good which proves he average 45 with the ball

in icc worldcup so i stand by he is not better allrounder than imran or kapil

Kallis does not average 45 with the ball. Kallis played in a very strong bowling line up, hence he did not bowl that much.

 

[Messiah]

Kallis does not average 45 with the ball. Kallis played in a very strong bowling line up, hence he did not bowl that much.

He said in icc world cup. LOL cherrypicking stats at its best

 

[Saffer_XIII]

Because it is not that big of a deal

Then you'd think any decent bowler would achieve that feat. Strange

 

[R0H1T]

Then you'd think any decent bowler would achieve that feat. Strange

In a career that's spanning 10(?) years any decent bowler, who's played enough tests against all opponents will be able to achieve what Shakib has. The likes of McGrath, Warne, Kumble didn;t play enough tests against lesser teams to complete this feat, it's not as extraordinary when you think about a WI C side, Zim minus their best players (lost due to Mugabe) & an ailing SL team.

 

[Mainul]

In a career that's spanning 10(?) years any decent bowler, who's played enough tests against all opponents will be able to achieve what Shakib has. The likes of McGrath, Warne, Kumble didn;t play enough tests against lesser teams to complete this feat, it's not as extraordinary when you think about a WI C side, Zim minus their best players (lost due to Mugabe) & an ailing SL team.

Grapes are sour.

Then why only 4 bowlers of this generation achieved this?

It is one hell of an achievement for a bowler.It is only comparable with a batsman scoring hundred against all test oppositions.It means that you have the armory of to succeed against all varieties of batsmen of oppositions.

Enough tests! Shakib has just played 50 test matches and he has achieved this.It is not wise to look at the career span in years for a Bangladeshi crickters as Bangladesh gets very few test matches to play.

 

[Executioner]

Add to the fact those other "Decent" bowlers didn't take those 5-fors and also carry his team with the bat.

Yes it's easy for a bowler to take so many 5 wicket hauls. Now you add a batting average of 41 then you know why it's a big achievement. Most players would get tired having performed with the bat, and also not get enough practice with ball during practice

 

[R0H1T]

Grapes are sour.

Then why only 4 bowlers of this generation achieved this?

It is one hell of an achievement for a bowler.It is only comparable with a batsman scoring hundred against all test oppositions.It means that you have the armory of to succeed against all varieties of batsmen of oppositions.

Enough tests! Shakib has just played 50 test matches and he has achieved this.It is not wise to look at the career span in years for a Bangladeshi crickters as Bangladesh gets very few test matches to play.

Why would Indian grapes be sour? It;s not like Bangladesh has defeated India in a test? In fact when we last met in Bangladesh the rain saved you.

Also performing in a 2 test series is a tad easier as compared to sustaining that performance over 4 or 5 tests, the Indian tour of England in 2014 being a prime example. The bigger achievement is definitely his A/R record but then you'd also remember his brainfade in first test against England (third day) & then first test vs NZ (fourth day) or the only test against India. If you say that's the way he plays, then frankly he's not too bright for doing such comically stupid things multiple times, not to mention it cost Bangladesh two test matches & potentially two series wins!

 

[Mainul]

Why would Indian grapes be sour? It;s not like Bangladesh has defeated India in a test? In fact when we last met in Bangladesh the rain saved you.

Also performing in a 2 test series is a tad easier as compared to sustaining that performance over 4 or 5 tests, the Indian tour of England in 2014 being a prime example. The bigger achievement is definitely his A/R record but then you'd also remember his brainfade in first test against England (third day) & then first test vs NZ (fourth day) or the only test against India. If you say that's the way he plays, then frankly he's not too bright for doing such comically stupid things multiple times, not to mention it cost Bangladesh two test matches & potentially two series wins!

Indian grapes are sour as because no Indian bowler could achieve this feat even Kumble and Harbhajan! But Shakib did it.

Bangladesh will be benefitted most by 3 or 4 match series.But who will play against us? India?!! India invited us after 16 long years but for one test!!It's not Shakib's fault that he can't play 3 match series.

My post was to praise Shakib's achievement of 5 fer against all oppositions.Yes he had brainfade in some instances but still he averages about 42 with tha bat.Thats very commendable performance by an all rounder.His braifade cost us a match then what the other 10 doing in the team?! Shakib at least makes up the loss with the ball

.

 

[R0H1T]

Indian grapes are sour as because no Indian bowler could achieve this feat even Kumble and Harbhajan! But Shakib did it.

Bangladesh will be benefitted most by 3 or 4 match series.But who will play against us? India?!! India invited us after 16 long years but for one test!!It's not Shakib's fault that he can't play 3 match series.

My post was to praise Shakib's achievement of 5 fer against all oppositions.Yes he had brainfade in some instances but still he averages about 42 with tha bat.Thats very commendable performance by an all rounder.His braifade cost us a match then what the other 10 doing in the team?! Shakib at least makes up the loss with the ball

.

Enjoy your 2 seconds of fame, it suits you, lest we forget last year's WT20 debacle?

He lost you 2 tests & possibly two series, one against England could've ended 2 nil in your favor while NZ series could've been a draw!