Shakib Al Hasan vs Ben Stokes - The better all-rounder?

[Robert]

You may be right, but there is also another side to the story. England is a top team now not because of Ben Stokes but because of inclusion of spin all rounders like Moin Ali and Adil Rashid. They filled the gap for England's weakness which was lack of spin bowling options.

I would not call England a top team and in my opinion their spin bowling stocks are at an all-time low. Those guys would be third and fourth behind Swann and Monty, or Emburey and Edmonds.

England’s other problems are a lack of top order batting and an inability to take wickets when the ball does not swing.

 

[Ab Fan]

I think this WC has proved that Shakib is a no mug and a world beater. Arguably the best all-rounder to have come after Jacques Kallis.

 

[Ted123]

Two best all-rounders of this era. But who is the better of two?

 

[sweep_shot]

Stokes wins this one. He won a world title.

Shakib's bowling has become quite ordinary over the past 2 years. He is pretty much a batsman now.

 

[Hasan123]

Ben Stokes is the better all rounder.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Stokes wins this one. He won a world title.

Shakib's bowling has become quite ordinary over the past 2 years. He is pretty much a batsman now.

His bowling is still better than stokes in lois.

 

[Manunited18]

I'd say stokes has the edge but would favour sakib in subcontinent conditions

 

[Ab Fan]

Stokes in tests by a margin. Shakib has a very poor test record in the big three and South Africa with bat while Stokes has some fantastic test hundreds in these countries.

Shakib is better in ODIs though because of his great consistency and about 600+ runs in the World Cup. Stokes barring the World Cup performance doesn't have much to talk. However, the way he made that World Cup his own is quite inspirational.

Overall, Shakib is a very very good cricketer across all formats but Stokes is heading to ATG status.

 

[shamaan]

In tests stokes
In odi Shakib

Overall il have stokes hes going to be in ATG status

 

[Robert]

Stokes wins this one. He won a world title.

That does not impress me. Kallis never won a world title and he was better than Stokes.

 

[Ab Fan]

That does not impress me. Kallis never won a world title and he was better than Stokes.

But Flintoff didn't and Stokes is better than him

 

[Robert]

But Flintoff didn't and Stokes is better than him

I agree that Stokes is better than Flintoff by a nose - slightly different in that Flintoff was a bowler first, and Stokes more a batter who bowls the odd excellent spell.

 

[majiz]

This is not worthy of a thread
In terms of batting stokes is strikingly more impactful

In terms of bowling well like shakib is a pie chucker pretty much, whereas stokes is skiddy and effective to right handers with that away movement anywhere in the world- particularly as test matches draw to a close

Really this thread isnt warranted

 

[MMHS]

This is not worthy of a thread
In terms of batting stokes is strikingly more impactful

In terms of bowling well like shakib is a pie chucker pretty much, whereas stokes is skiddy and effective to right handers with that away movement anywhere in the world- particularly as test matches draw to a close

Really this thread isnt warranted

Did you bother to check any stats before putting such bullish statement?

Shakib has 19 5for - that’s one in every 3 Test, a 5for in every country that he has played and two 10fors - he averages around 30 outside Asia - pie chucker, pretty much, indeed. And he averages higher in batting as well.

 

[majiz]

Did you bother to check any stats before putting such bullish statement?

Shakib has 19 5for - that’s one in every 3 Test, a 5for in every country that he has played and two 10fors - he averages around 30 outside Asia - pie chucker, pretty much, indeed. And he averages higher in batting as well.

mate i rate shakib, i think he's really good. but hes never done anything with his bowling whereas stokes kinda has. as i said before i dont really think this discussion should be happening, obviously stokes is a better cricketer than shakib

 

[majiz]

you'd maybe take shakib's bowling over stokes in the subby, but thats really it. ive watched a lot of cricket and i honestly cant remember thinking once 'shakib looks threatening now', whereas with stokes theres been a few times where i have

 

[MMHS]

mate i rate shakib, i think he's really good. but hes never done anything with his bowling whereas stokes kinda has. as i said before i dont really think this discussion should be happening, obviously stokes is a better cricketer than shakib

You actually don’t have much clue of Shakib - hence that comment of never doing anything .... to start with, he plays for a weaker team hence, often his best efforts ends in losing cause. Still, excluding ZIM (against whom, he has a 10for & century in same game), he has a 10 for against Aussies in our only win against them (& 87+5 with bat), he has a 5for against Poms in the win, he has a hundred & 6/7 wickets in the game we won in SRL; long, long back as a teenager, he had 9for & 90 runs game against NZ, which his team couldn’t defend 320; he has a 5for against WIN, in WIN in a win, but that was Floyd Reifer’s WIN.

No, you don’t know much about Shakib, not sure how much cricket you watch, but took an unnecessary chance here - hence that worthy comment & pie chucker comparison. Pie chucker doesn’t take 18 5fors in 56 Tests; pie chucker doesn’t average around 30 outside Asia - that’s better than most Asian spinners after a significant number of games; you have to pick your words carefully, if you really want to make it something worthy. Stokes can be a better cricketer (which I don’t think - he has to match Shakib’s 12 years consistency in both format; he has become a specialist batsman who bowls few overs these days; despite his batting peak for few years, still he averages less and as a bowler, not even comparable unless you measure bowlers by speed gun), but your comment wasn’t really warrant here.

 

[majiz]

You actually don’t have much clue of Shakib - hence that comment of never doing anything .... to start with, he plays for a weaker team hence, often his best efforts ends in losing cause. Still, excluding ZIM (against whom, he has a 10for & century in same game), he has a 10 for against Aussies in our only win against them (& 87+5 with bat), he has a 5for against Poms in the win, he has a hundred & 6/7 wickets in the game we won in SRL; long, long back as a teenager, he had 9for & 90 runs game against NZ, which his team couldn’t defend 320; he has a 5for against WIN, in WIN in a win, but that was Floyd Reifer’s WIN.

No, you don’t know much about Shakib, not sure how much cricket you watch, but took an unnecessary chance here - hence that worthy comment & pie chucker comparison. Pie chucker doesn’t take 18 5fors in 56 Tests; pie chucker doesn’t average around 30 outside Asia - that’s better than most Asian spinners after a significant number of games; you have to pick your words carefully, if you really want to make it something worthy. Stokes can be a better cricketer (which I don’t think - he has to match Shakib’s 12 years consistency in both format; he has become a specialist batsman who bowls few overs these days; despite his batting peak for few years, still he averages less and as a bowler, not even comparable unless you measure bowlers by speed gun), but your comment wasn’t really warrant here.

shakib didn't turn it and never got more threatening as test matches wore on, as bowlers should. i mean come on, there was never any rangana herath- esque final day dynamite with shakib was there
stokes is very effective to right hander's when the pitch is roughed up

 

[MMHS]

shakib didn't turn it and never got more threatening as test matches wore on, as bowlers should. i mean come on, there was never any rangana herath- esque final day dynamite with shakib was there
stokes is very effective to right hander's when the pitch is roughed up

Prove your statement with stats & example - for a pacer taking 147 wickets in 63 Tests & 4 5fors, with a SR of 59 for a pacer vs a spinner with SR of 62. No beating about the bush - how & where Stokes is/was “very effective” to right handers when the pitch is roughed up.

Shakib is no Herath definitely and he didn’t get the chances to bowl much with runs at hand on fourth innings, but he has two 5fors in last innings for whatever chances he got to bowl on last innings.