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Shakib Al Hasan vs Sanath Jayasuriya - Better all-rounder?

Who is the better all-rounder?

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Was having a discussion in another thread about these two players and I think this warrants a new thread in itself.

Let me make it clear here first, unless Shakib helps BD lift this world cup Jayasuriya will always be remembered as a bigger name in cricket. He is one of the few pioneers who changed the way the game is played. Some might say it was done before Jayasuriya but it doesn't matter the world will remember Jayasuriya for changing ODIs. It's the same as people remembering IK and Wasim for reverse swing and not sarfaraz nawaz.

Having said that being a bigger name doesn't mean being a better player so let's start the discussion about performance and cricketing abilities.

With this world cup shakib has silenced all the casual fans who used to criticize him saying he can't be considered elite level because he has no performances at world stage.

His records/stats are phenomenal, people might say he boosted them against minnows but Jayasuriya also boosted stats battering Indian trundlers.
[MENTION=53377]jeetu[/MENTION] can you post stats for both of them in this thread?
 
Shakib is the better bowler and probably better All rounder but the impact Jayasurya had that is winning the World Cup and changing the way game is played gives him edge
 
Shakib is closer to a perfect all rounder. Sanath an imbalanced all rounder. More batting, less bowling. Shakib is a 50/50 guy.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Shakib is closer to a perfect all rounder. Sanath an imbalanced all rounder. More batting, less bowling. Shakib is a 50/50 guy.
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People underestimate his bowling. His wasn't the main wicket taker but he did bowl his 8-10 overs every match. He was perfect 5th bowler especially in Asian conditions.
 
Sanath Jaysuriya was an impactful player. He won his team several matches and titles, and that too against top quality opponents. Shakib and Bangladesh win far less number of matches, despite the improvements that Bangladesh has been showing.
 
Shakib alone can’t do enough to win Bangladesh this World Cup or the next. Srilanka 1996 team had Muralitharan, Dharmasena, Vaas, Wickramasingha, Jaysuriya Kallu blasting off to a good start then you had Arvinda Ranatunga and Guru. Man that was a scary Srilankan Side

We don’t have the bowlers to replicate Srilanka’s 1996 heroics. What’s good to see is team is trying hard with their limited bowling skills and fielders are giving their all. At least there is effort, hope we find a few quality bowlers and take a bold move by dropping Mushfiq and Riyad and play Rubel and Sabbir.

Shakib is trying hard and has improved his fitness, let’s see how he performs vs Starc, Bumrah and Amir.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Shakib is closer to a perfect all rounder. Sanath an imbalanced all rounder. More batting, less bowling. Shakib is a 50/50 guy.
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What makes you say that Sanath was an imbalanced all-rounder?

The man had 300+ wickets

If Shakib with 250 wickets and 9 hundreds can be classified as a "true" all-rounder then Sanath with 300+ wickets and 28 hundreds should certainly qualify for the same.
 
Shakib plays as main batsman and main bowler because of lack of depth in his team. Sanath Jaysuriya was not the main bowler for his team because his team had Murlitharan and Vaas.

If Shakib played for say India, he would be like Ravindra Jadeja and he would bat at number six or seven and would rarely get to bat much. Conversely, if Ravindra Jadeja played for Bangladesh, he would have become a renowned all rounder like Shakib.
 
ak619 said:
What makes you say that Sanath was an imbalanced all-rounder?

The man had 300+ wickets

If Shakib with 250 wickets and 9 hundreds can be classified as a "true" all-rounder then Sanath with 300+ wickets and 28 hundreds should certainly qualify for the same.
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Man I loved Jaysuriya’s bullet spin and hitting stumps and his celebrations with that smile :murali
 
ak619 said:
What makes you say that Sanath was an imbalanced all-rounder?

The man had 300+ wickets

If Shakib with 250 wickets and 9 hundreds can be classified as a "true" all-rounder then Sanath with 300+ wickets and 28 hundreds should certainly qualify for the same.
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Check his test career. 110 tests 98 wickets. SHakib 55 tests 205 wickets. Proper bowler. CHeck strike rates as well. Not sure if you know Richards 187 matches 131 innings 110 wickets.
 
latecut said:
Shakib plays as main batsman and main bowler because of lack of depth in his team. Sanath Jaysuriya was not the main bowler for his team because his team had Murlitharan and Vaas.

If Shakib played for say India, he would be like Ravindra Jadeja and he would bat at number six or seven and would rarely get to bat much. Conversely, if Ravindra Jadeja played for Bangladesh, he would have become a renowned all rounder like Shakib.
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No way Jaddu is as good a bat as Shakib. Jaddu is a fake all rounder.
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
Man I loved Jaysuriya’s bullet spin and hitting stumps and his celebrations with that smile :murali
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Both are world class all-rounders. Both certainly will be remembered when we speak about the history of the sport.

But I think we should think about the fact that one guy has 7000 runs and the other has 14,000! Twice as much!

And even has 70+ more wickets as of today.

Even if the difference is only down to longevity, it still matters and certainly puts Jayasurya a notch above Shakib...at least as of 2019. That's my opinion.
 
ak619 said:
Both are world class all-rounders. Both certainly will be remembered when we speak about the history of the sport.

But I think we should think about the fact that one guy has 7000 runs and the other has 14,000! Twice as much!

And even has 70+ more wickets as of today.

Even if the difference is only down to longevity, it still matters and certainly puts Jayasurya a notch above Shakib...at least as of 2019. That's my opinion.
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Jaysuriya is way ahead man, in the era that he dominated deserves respect. Hands down Samatha, I also love his commentary :yk
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Check his test career. 110 tests 98 wickets. SHakib 55 tests 205 wickets. Proper bowler. CHeck strike rates as well. Not sure if you know Richards 187 matches 131 innings 110 wickets.
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Jayasurya - 12.4 over per test

Shakib - 38.7 overs per test

Kallis - 20.3 overs per test


The reason why I am giving you those stats is to show the pattern that a better all-rounder may not necessarily be a strike bowler for his team if his team is stronger and ergo has more match winners.

That is true for both SA and SL who had other match winners in their team that all-rounders of the calibre of Kallis and Jayasurya often were 5th/6th bowlers for their team while someone like Shakib, who is a notch below those two, is actually the 3rd/4th bowler for his team - not due to merit but due to lack of better options in the team.

The difference in bowling SR in tests for Shakib (63) and Jayasurya (83) is 20. But neither is flattering for any "true" all-rounder.

In tests Jayasurya outclasses Shakib with the bat. And in ODIs he outclasses Shakib by miles with the bat and marginally with the ball too.

I don't see any justification in saying that Shakib is a "balanced" all-rounder while Jayasurya isn't. Both are lopsided but Jayasurya is less so.
 
Jayasurya was part of multiple tournament winning teams. He imposed himself on the opposition and had a huge impact on the way cricket itself is played. His numbers don't tell the whole story. Shakib hasn't had the same kind of impact and has won anything substantial for BD. SL did have better bowlers but they were not yet great bowlers when they won the world cup. I would go with Jayasurya as the better one now. But if Shakib manages to win this for BD or even take BD to finals he will make a very strong case for himself.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Check his test career. 110 tests 98 wickets. SHakib 55 tests 205 wickets. Proper bowler. CHeck strike rates as well. Not sure if you know Richards 187 matches 131 innings 110 wickets.
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Shakib is proper bowler as BD lacks penetrating bowlers. he ends up bowling a lot. He won't win you too many matches as a bowler or a batsman alone. Jayasurya will win you more matches as batsman and be competent as a bowler.
 
latecut said:
Shakib plays as main batsman and main bowler because of lack of depth in his team. Sanath Jaysuriya was not the main bowler for his team because his team had Murlitharan and Vaas.

If Shakib played for say India, he would be like Ravindra Jadeja and he would bat at number six or seven and would rarely get to bat much. Conversely, if Ravindra Jadeja played for Bangladesh, he would have become a renowned all rounder like Shakib.
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Shakib has a test double hundred in NZ. Comparing his batting to Jadeja's is an insult to him.
 
ak619 said:
Jayasurya - 12.4 over per test

Shakib - 38.7 overs per test

Kallis - 20.3 overs per test


The reason why I am giving you those stats is to show the pattern that a better all-rounder may not necessarily be a strike bowler for his team if his team is stronger and ergo has more match winners.

That is true for both SA and SL who had other match winners in their team that all-rounders of the calibre of Kallis and Jayasurya often were 5th/6th bowlers for their team while someone like Shakib, who is a notch below those two, is actually the 3rd/4th bowler for his team - not due to merit but due to lack of better options in the team.

The difference in bowling SR in tests for Shakib (63) and Jayasurya (83) is 20. But neither is flattering for any "true" all-rounder.

In tests Jayasurya outclasses Shakib with the bat. And in ODIs he outclasses Shakib by miles with the bat and marginally with the ball too.

I don't see any justification in saying that Shakib is a "balanced" all-rounder while Jayasurya isn't. Both are lopsided but Jayasurya is less so.
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agree with you here. Jayasurya bowled less as he didn't have to. Most of the test matches were won by Murali or Vass. He used to be 5th or 6th option as they had better match winners. SL always had one match winning spinner and a very competent spinner from the other end. at most Jayasurya was a third option although he was competent himself.

with bat he completely out classes Shakib. Even in 90s Jayasurya's strike rate was in 90s and he put terror in opposition camp. I don't see many doing that even during peak of Pak era in 90s.. Even today Shakib strikes at 82 which is pretty average and won't make much big impact on the game. His innings against WI was one of the few that i have seen where he has imposed himself. let him do that for a decade like how Jayasurya did and then we can talk. People also forget that Jayasurya was an opener even in tests and has a 300.
 
Jayasuriya is ahead at the moment. Let's not forget that even over the hill Jayasuriya absolutely smashed Brett Lee and Shoaib Akhtar.

Shakib is still an excellent all-rounder, the best from Asia since the days of Imran Khan and Kapil Dev. He will be in my all time Asian ODI XI.
 
Shakib is of course good and gets more chances in an upcoming team short of good batters and bowlers.

Jadeja is under-appreciated as he played in the Indian era of gun batters and gun spinners - Kumble, Ashwin, KulCha.

This is same with top batters like Prithvi, Shivam, Rishabh etc, who may not be part of regular India team though they can get into almost any other national team.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Shakib has a test double hundred in NZ. Comparing his batting to Jadeja's is an insult to him.
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Make Jadeja bat as often as Shakib in the top order he will do the same. Jadeja has two triple hundreds in first class. Same first class where Sachin, Virat have none. Jadeja is a pretty decent batsman who would have been great if he was allowed to bat in the top order. India doesn't need him to bat int he top order. Jadeja has similar runs as Shakib, much better average and strike rate and an extra hundred in first class cricket. His bowling is also much much better almost falling into all time greats category where as Shakib is averages 31.

To sum it Jadeja has less run in tests as he bats predominately as a Number 8 compared to Shakib who bats in top order. But this is not because Jadeja is not capable it is just that he is not needed to do that as India has other match winners in top orders. Look at their first class records and Jadeja is equally good or better than Shakib as a batsman and much better as a bowler. he has replicated his bowling stats from first class in tests. there is no reason to doubt he wouldn't do the same as a batsman given opportunities
 
The_Odd_One said:
Jayasuriya is ahead at the moment. Let's not forget that even over the hill Jayasuriya absolutely smashed Brett Lee and Shoaib Akhtar.

Shakib is still an excellent all-rounder, the best from Asia since the days of Imran Khan and Kapil Dev. He will be in my all time Asian ODI XI.
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Shakib is a fine all-rounder. Absolutely no doubt it. he is a very capable bat and good bowler. If he improves his impact he can certanely top Jayasuriya. He will have to do it for a decade though and win some tournaments. he is capable of it provided others in BD step up
 
Difficult to compare players of different teams from different eras.

Jayasuriya was a treat to watch.

One thing with Bangladeshi performers is that, they know if they are gone thats about it. The support that Jaya had from his team, is not the support that Shakib has from his. SL batting and bowling were more reliable than Bangladesh is.

Regardless -- both are match winners for their teams and thats what counts.
 
SportsWarrior said:
Make Jadeja bat as often as Shakib in the top order he will do the same. Jadeja has two triple hundreds in first class. Same first class where Sachin, Virat have none. Jadeja is a pretty decent batsman who would have been great if he was allowed to bat in the top order. India doesn't need him to bat int he top order. Jadeja has similar runs as Shakib, much better average and strike rate and an extra hundred in first class cricket. His bowling is also much much better almost falling into all time greats category where as Shakib is averages 31.

To sum it Jadeja has less run in tests as he bats predominately as a Number 8 compared to Shakib who bats in top order. But this is not because Jadeja is not capable it is just that he is not needed to do that as India has other match winners in top orders. Look at their first class records and Jadeja is equally good or better than Shakib as a batsman and much better as a bowler. he has replicated his bowling stats from first class in tests. there is no reason to doubt he wouldn't do the same as a batsman given opportunities
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Domestic batting success does not always carry over to International cricket. There have been several instances where one batsman (Grahame Hick, David Hussey, etc) had supreme numbers in domestic cricket but failed miserably in International cricket.

Jadeja has almost always looked poor as a batsman. He has batted in top 7 in 83 innings and he still averages 30@82. Even, strong Indian batting unit does not justify his poor strike rate.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Jayasuriya is ahead at the moment. Let's not forget that even over the hill Jayasuriya absolutely smashed Brett Lee and Shoaib Akhtar.

Shakib is still an excellent all-rounder, the best from Asia since the days of Imran Khan and Kapil Dev. He will be in my all time Asian ODI XI.
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Confusing, you said Jayasuriya is ahead at the moment then you say shakib is best since IK.
If Jayasuriya is ahead how can shakib be best since IK? He will only be best since IK when he surpasses Jayasuriya.
 
Most test matches were won by Murali and not Vaas, Vaas was economical but rarely got 3fer/5fer consistanty.
Little over 3 wickets per match doesnt make anyone matchwinning ER of 2.70 notwithstanding.
 
Shakib is an all around better batsman and has more shots. But Sanath was a pinch hitter that always made it count if he got to play a few overs. Hard to pick one because of the generation gap but Shakib is a more complete batsman for sure.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Domestic batting success does not always carry over to International cricket. There have been several instances where one batsman (Grahame Hick, David Hussey, etc) had supreme numbers in domestic cricket but failed miserably in International cricket.

Jadeja has almost always looked poor as a batsman. He has batted in top 7 in 83 innings and he still averages 30@82. Even, strong Indian batting unit does not justify his poor strike rate.
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He has carried over the bowling recrod as it is from first class. he bowls against better batsman of spin in first class. He also averages nearly 10 runs more than Shakib in first class. So even he is does less than what he has done in first class he will still average in mid thirties. Regarding top 7 in ODIs, he is not a hitter but a proper batsman, more like Vijay Shankar. Just because he is so good in bowling he doesn't get to bat in top order.
 
SportsWarrior said:
He has carried over the bowling recrod as it is from first class. he bowls against better batsman of spin in first class. He also averages nearly 10 runs more than Shakib in first class. So even he is does less than what he has done in first class he will still average in mid thirties. Regarding top 7 in ODIs, he is not a hitter but a proper batsman, more like Vijay Shankar. Just because he is so good in bowling he doesn't get to bat in top order.
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You can't compare bowling with batting. Jadeja is playing in an era when most teams are extremely vulnerable against spin. There are very few batsmen who can play spin well which is the reason spinners are the MVPs in this era.

Even Ashwin has performed better than Jadeja as a batsman despite averaging 16 points less in First Class which proves that domestic batting performance does not translate to success in International cricket.

Shakib is consistently ranked #1 all-rounder in this decade. It is laughable to compare his batting with Jadeja's.
 
Both exceptional cricketers coming from the subcontinent. They had contrasting roles.

Considering batting, Shakib is a more complete batsman who has to shepherd responsibility whilst Jayasuria played with more freedom but his batting was really destructive in an era where a pinch-hitter top of the order was unheard of.

As a bowler Shakib is better imho.

As an allrounder, Shakib is definitely better because he can definitely play a dual role. I don't think Jayasuria's bowling was anything special. Still very useful cricketer overall.
 
SportsWarrior said:
Make Jadeja bat as often as Shakib in the top order he will do the same. Jadeja has two triple hundreds in first class. Same first class where Sachin, Virat have none. Jadeja is a pretty decent batsman who would have been great if he was allowed to bat in the top order. India doesn't need him to bat int he top order. Jadeja has similar runs as Shakib, much better average and strike rate and an extra hundred in first class cricket. His bowling is also much much better almost falling into all time greats category where as Shakib is averages 31.

To sum it Jadeja has less run in tests as he bats predominately as a Number 8 compared to Shakib who bats in top order. But this is not because Jadeja is not capable it is just that he is not needed to do that as India has other match winners in top orders. Look at their first class records and Jadeja is equally good or better than Shakib as a batsman and much better as a bowler. he has replicated his bowling stats from first class in tests. there is no reason to doubt he wouldn't do the same as a batsman given opportunities
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Hypothesis doesn't matter. The likes of Ashwin has outperformed Jadeja with the bat in tests. Ashwin is inferior to Jadeja in terms of batting ability but has done well in the past.

Shakib averages 40 in tests and 37.5 in ODIs. Currently highest run scorer of the CWC. Would you back Jadeja to score 2 50s and 2 100s back to back in a world cup batting top of the order?
 
It is not about who is ahead. Jayasuriya is such a huge impact player. Purely as a batsman he will trump Shakib as an all rounder. If we are strictly talking about all round ability, the darter Jayasuriya is not a propre all rounder. He probably started his career as a bowler. But it didn't work out well. Then he became a part timer who can bat briliantly.
 
Voted for Sanath, I remember once I thought Jaysuriya retired and then I saw him batting against England in 2011 and trolled me :yk Going by circinfo he only came for one match. What a troll Jaysuriya
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
Voted for Sanath, I remember once I thought Jaysuriya retired and then I saw him batting against England in 2011 and trolled me :yk Going by circinfo he only came for one match. What a troll Jaysuriya
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He was the biggest nightmare for an Indian fan.
 
To me Jayasuriya is an ATG ODI player. His impact on the game in Limited overs cricket is too much.

Sanath was also a gun fielder which Shakib is not.

Shakib is a better bowler. But Shakib is not a match winner with the ball. He is a decent spinner who can keep it tight.

Overall, I would pick Sanath everyday and its not even close to me.
 
Nowadays we have Russells, Gayles, Morgans, Butlers. Those days it was Jayasuriya vs Afridi when it comes to six hitting. Nobody had the intention to go nuts like them. One memory was Jaysuriya was batting with last batsman against Pakistan. Akhtar was part of the side. He added like 100 for the last wicket. no. XI made 1 run lol
 
Tests

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[tr][td]4s: [/td][td]910 [/td][td]470 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]6s: [/td][td]59 [/td][td]21 [/td][/tr]
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ODI's

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Shakib would make the team on bowling alone and batting alone,.

He is one of the rare pure all rounders.
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
Shakib alone can’t do enough to win Bangladesh this World Cup or the next. Srilanka 1996 team had Muralitharan, Dharmasena, Vaas, Wickramasingha, Jaysuriya Kallu blasting off to a good start then you had Arvinda Ranatunga and Guru. Man that was a scary Srilankan Side

We don’t have the bowlers to replicate Srilanka’s 1996 heroics. What’s good to see is team is trying hard with their limited bowling skills and fielders are giving their all. At least there is effort, hope we find a few quality bowlers and take a bold move by dropping Mushfiq and Riyad and play Rubel and Sabbir.

Shakib is trying hard and has improved his fitness, let’s see how he performs vs Starc, Bumrah and Amir.
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Yes very good post. People don't realise that Sri Lanka team had some ATGs and some fantastic players.
 
As an oneday all rounder alone , it is Sanath for me. But as over all all rounder, I would pick Shakib.
 
BD-fan said:
So comparing one finished product with one unfinished product would be legit cause to conclusion?
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If that's the line of argument then this thread shouldn't have been started in the first place.

Let us then wait for Shakib to hang his boots and then we can restart this thread.
 
Shakib in lead, having seen the stats shakib has better overall stats.

Team wise breakdown and country wise breakdown of stats will give a more clear indication.
 
Jayasuriya.
Very few can compare as far as impact is concerned. He won SriLanka many games.
 
Jaya would have got into any team back then as a pure batsmen , his bowling was decent . Sakib is not a world class batsmen or a bowler .
 
ak619 said:
How so? Jayasurya has twice as much runs as Shakib and more wickets as well.
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Lol number of matches is also high. Lot of bowlers have more wickets than marshal but that doesn't mean they are better than marshal.
Better stats I meant average. Not number of runs/wickets.
 
No comparison.

Shakib the way better than sanath.

As an allrounder he's in Imran, sobbers, Kallis category.

Sanath, Kapil, klusner, crains all r good allrounders but they belong to second tier.
 
jusarrived said:
Jaya would have got into any team back then as a pure batsmen , his bowling was decent . Sakib is not a world class batsmen or a bowler .
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Shakib is a genuine allrounder.

He isn't a batting allrounder or bowling allrounder.

He is world class in that department
 
ak619 said:
How so? Jayasurya has twice as much runs as Shakib and more wickets as well.
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Rubbish.

He has played two times more matches than shakib.

Shakib is the fastest allrounder to reach 6000 runs and 200 wickets and widely considered as one of the greatest allrounders of all time.

Even Kallis, sobbers couldn't manage to achieve that.

Had shakib played as many matches as sanath did, he would've scored two times more runs than what sanath has scored in his entire career.
 
To be frank Jayasuriya had that fear factor. He was an impact player who can demoralised the opposition and turn a match around. Shakib is a very good player but whenever Bangladesh plays India I basically don't fear his bowling or batting. He has been in brilliant form this world cup though.
 
RainMan_ said:
No comparison.

Shakib the way better than sanath.

As an allrounder he's in Imran, sobbers, Kallis category.

Sanath, Kapil, klusner, crains all r good allrounders but they belong to second tier.
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When Sobers retired, he had highest number of test runs in the world.
When Kapildev retired, he had the highest test wickets in the world.

Let Shakib finish with the highest number of test runs or highest number of test wickets before he can be counted in the same league as them.
 
One is a one man team - most of the time. His team expects everything to be spoon feed to them by Shakib. The other had players who consistently supported him. However, people feared Sanath the batter more than shakib. Overall shakib > Sanath. Also who in their right mind brings up Jadeja in this equation? He will never be half the player's these two are. Lol
 
Shakib is good but please, Sanath is a legend. Even Bangladeshis would not agree with this comparison.
 
light said:
One is a one man team - most of the time. His team expects everything to be spoon feed to them by Shakib. The other had players who consistently supported him. However, people feared Sanath the batter more than shakib. Overall shakib > Sanath. Also who in their right mind brings up Jadeja in this equation? He will never be half the player's these two are. Lol
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Jadeja in test matches > Shakib. He kills it there. In ODIs, Shakib is better though.
 
Ram Shekhar said:
Jadeja in test matches > Shakib. He kills it there. In ODIs, Shakib is better though.
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Bro just stop. Even we indians know that jadeja is crap. We are talking about allrounders, not bowlers. Bowler wise he is better, as an allrounder, he is 3rd class. Can't save his life with the bat if it depended on it.
 
SportsWarrior said:
He has carried over the bowling recrod as it is from first class. he bowls against better batsman of spin in first class. He also averages nearly 10 runs more than Shakib in first class. So even he is does less than what he has done in first class he will still average in mid thirties. Regarding top 7 in ODIs, he is not a hitter but a proper batsman, more like Vijay Shankar. Just because he is so good in bowling he doesn't get to bat in top order.
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Are you serious Jadeja is proper batsman.Shakib is 100 times better as an allrounder than Jadeja.Shakib is far better batsman in all conditions.Bowling Jadeja is better that too in tests.
 
RainMan_ said:
Rubbish.

He has played two times more matches than shakib.

Shakib is the fastest allrounder to reach 6000 runs and 200 wickets and widely considered as one of the greatest allrounders of all time.

Even Kallis, sobbers couldn't manage to achieve that.

Had shakib played as many matches as sanath did, he would've scored two times more runs than what sanath has scored in his entire career.
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Widely considered? I don't think he's rated highly outside Bangladesh but this world cup will change that. He's not considered in same league as Sobers, I, kallis.. Even Botham, Kapil, Hadlee are considered above Shakib.

It's not his fault he plays for Bangladesh if he played for a bigger team he would have got more footage to be rated highly across the cricketing world.

If he helps BD wins this world cup then IMO he will be rated in the sobers, kallis league.
 
Jayasuriya is an ATG and he revolutionized cricket. Shakib is good but he's not an ATG. Jayasuriya's name alone put fear into opposition team.
 
Shakib is good but he is no Jayasurya.Jayasurya on his day could demolish any bowling lineup.Shakib is not there yet.
 
Shakib gets more opportunity to bat because he plays for Bangladesh. In stronger teams, player of his capability will bat in number 7 (and will get very little batting) and will be third choice bowler.
 
Jadeja has two triple centuries in first class cricket. Do not tell me that bowling in Indian first class cricket is that weak. If it was that weak then Tendulkar and Kohli would have scored many triple centuries in domestic cricket, but they have scored none.
 
latecut said:
Shakib gets more opportunity to bat because he plays for Bangladesh. In stronger teams, player of his capability will bat in number 7 (and will get very little batting) and will be third choice bowler.
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The player of Shakib's caliber you mean the guy who is currently the highest run scorer in the world cup?

Let's not forget the fact that he averages 37.5 in ODIs and 40 in tests even while considering that he debuted back in 2006 when the pitches were more sportier.
 
latecut said:
Jadeja has two triple centuries in first class cricket. Do not tell me that bowling in Indian first class cricket is that weak. If it was that weak then Tendulkar and Kohli would have scored many triple centuries in domestic cricket, but they have scored none.
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Okay so by that logic Jadeja is better than Tendulkar and Kohli right?
 
Sanath was a revolutionary in ODI cricket, not much of an all-rounder, rather a batsman who could contribute with ball (still very good record for a 5th bowler) but as an overall player he is indeed an ODI ATG. Sanath's 189 at Sharjah was 3.5 times more than Indian team total and 3.5 times more than 2nd highest scorer. Shakib can reach there in different scale, but not yet and he won't compete Sanath on bat by bat, because he doesn't open.

In Test, it's not even a contest to be honest. Sanath might be slightly better in batting (similar stats, but Sanath was a big innings specialist), but in bowling it's the biggest gap among all comparisons. Shakib has 18 5for and at least 1 5for against every team he has played so far, 2 10fors, a century+10 wicket game, and he'll be the fastest to reach 3000-300 doubles. And, surprisingly, his away bowling average is better than home average; his outside Asia stats is probably better than even Herath.

Shakib should be in prime for another 4-5 years, which should be enough for him to be established as an ATG Test all-rounder. But, in ODI lots of recognition actually depends on winning big events - Sanath indeed won a WC & a CT (& made a T20 WC final ??). Shakib has to win something - may be a MotS in this WC can help him personally, but even then, they don't give it to players not winning the ultimate price.
 
Just because Shakib has helped Bangladesh win a world cup match against number 9 team, he becomes better than some all time great allrounders. Those allrounders actually helped their sides win matches, series and tournaments against strong sides.
 
latecut said:
Just because Shakib has helped Bangladesh win a world cup match against number 9 team, he becomes better than some all time great allrounders. Those allrounders actually helped their sides win matches, series and tournaments against strong sides.
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He also won his side a match against no. 3 ranked side(adjudged MOM there too) and winning matches is dependent a lot upon other members of the team as well. And its not like Shakib hasn't won any matches at all. He has won plenty of matches for his side and was often adjudged MOM

You can only compare his personal record. He has shattered several allrounder records. If you are going to judge a player, you judge him based upon his personal record. His personal record is exceptional.
 
latecut said:
Just because Shakib has helped Bangladesh win a world cup match against number 9 team, he becomes better than some all time great allrounders. Those allrounders actually helped their sides win matches, series and tournaments against strong sides.
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You even watching the WC bro or follow cricket of other countries in general? Or just here to make meaningless noise without any numbers/facts?
 
Jayasuriya hands down the best among these two. Explosive batsman and a good bowlder to have in arsenal.
Sakib still needs to win a World Cup for his team. :moyo2
 
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