Shamima Begum loses citizenship removal appeal bid [Post Updated #689]

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I didn’t know being a parent and caring about your kids differs depending on ones religion. Also Modi seems to be living in your head rent free. No sane person would pick Taliban or ISIS over living under Modi’s India if those were the only 2 options available.

Then again that is tough to grasp for people living in the comfort of the west and cheerleading for these medieval terrors groups

Yes that's better, your real views come across as much more authentic.

 

[Stewie]

Well it’s not like there isn’t enough recruiting material already is there?

That’s just an excuse.

That is the headache of British intelligence.

As far as ethnic discrimination is concerned, again that is just clutching at straws, so by the same account she can be viewed as a hero among some people of her community too, isnt that a problem too?

There are more headaches than benefits from bringing her in.

You are not really providing a healthy discussion here by bringing your bias to the table, and it’s clearly showing now. In your opinion, all Muslims are prone to being radicalized, which is the very definition of stereotyping or generalization. How would you feel if I said all Modi supporters are Hindu nationalist IslamOphobes on a genocidal mission to turn India into a Hindu state?

Radicalization is not just a term thrown out by the media while describing why some people do what they do. There is a glut of stuff that is happening beneath the surface. US drone strikes in Afghanistan has killed thousands of innocents. If an extremist goes their children and says “I can help you avenge your parents death, here is a suicide vest” how difficult do you think it will be to convince these children?

 

[Local.Dada]

There is a glut of stuff that is happening beneath the surface. US drone strikes in Afghanistan has killed thousands of innocents. If an extremist goes their children and says “I can help you avenge your parents death, here is a suicide vest” how difficult do you think it will be to convince these children?

Ok that is a reason for kids in Syria and Afghanistan with no real prospects (unfortunately). What is the excuse for kids sitting in Britain or Canada who have free primary education, social security benefits, value for life, equality (on surface at least with laws in place).

I am sorry if someone is taking Shamima’s rejection as a discrimination over the bigger problem that why she was in this situation to begin with then they are looking at it totally wrong.

 

[Stewie]

Ok that is a reason for kids in Syria and Afghanistan with no real prospects (unfortunately). What is the excuse for kids sitting in Britain or Canada who have free primary education, social security benefits, value for life, equality (on surface at least with laws in place).

I am sorry if someone is taking Shamima’s rejection as a discrimination over the bigger problem that why she was in this situation to begin with then they are looking at it totally wrong.

It’s the same sort of reasons blacks feel they have to start BLM, or Jews to start complaining about anti semitism. There are feelings of isolation, being different, discrimination, based on skin color, faith, etc.
You think jew and black kids don’t get all these benefits you cited in the west? They do. So why would they feel the need to complain or talk about anti Semitism or racism? Because there have been incidents targeting them and there is a history there.

Now I am not saying it’s rampant everywhere. I personally haven’t experienced it, but I do know that by shunning one of your own and labeling her an immigrant when she was born in the UK will male it very easy for the next mullah to go to a brown UK born kid and say “well look at what happened to her, do you really think they care about you?”
And if that kid already has such issues, it will be very very easy to push him over the edge using this case.

 

[rhony]

Ah, a minute a go you were looking for evidence of a negative proposition, which is a logical impossibility.

So you allege she was part of a banned organisation, The consequence for committing an alleged crime is trial and possibly sentencing, not loss of citizenship.

I'm not looking for any evidence. If she was innocent, she would be in UK and not Syria. My point was to those who suggested that she just got married and did nothing else. Being in Syria for the sole purpose of being part of ISIS is not "alleged" as you claim. She's already guilty and hence was punished by the courts as well.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Ok that is a reason for kids in Syria and Afghanistan with no real prospects (unfortunately). What is the excuse for kids sitting in Britain or Canada who have free primary education, social security benefits, value for life, equality (on surface at least with laws in place).

I am sorry if someone is taking Shamima’s rejection as a discrimination over the bigger problem that why she was in this situation to begin with then they are looking at it totally wrong.

Why don't you ask those questions about any dysfunctional person in Britain for that matter regardless of their religion? Don't they all have the same access to free primary education, social security, and social benefits for life? How much of this do you really know about at a local level? I can certainly fill in some details if you would like some help assuming you are genuinely interested.

 

[Gilly]

It’s the same sort of reasons blacks feel they have to start BLM, or Jews to start complaining about anti semitism. There are feelings of isolation, being different, discrimination, based on skin color, faith, etc.
You think jew and black kids don’t get all these benefits you cited in the west? They do. So why would they feel the need to complain or talk about anti Semitism or racism? Because there have been incidents targeting them and there is a history there.

Now I am not saying it’s rampant everywhere. I personally haven’t experienced it, but I do know that by shunning one of your own and labeling her an immigrant when she was born in the UK will male it very easy for the next mullah to go to a brown UK born kid and say “well look at what happened to her, do you really think they care about you?”
And if that kid already has such issues, it will be very very easy to push him over the edge using this case.

Wouldent the problem be the mullah.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

It’s the same sort of reasons blacks feel they have to start BLM, or Jews to start complaining about anti semitism. There are feelings of isolation, being different, discrimination, based on skin color, faith, etc.
You think jew and black kids don’t get all these benefits you cited in the west? They do. So why would they feel the need to complain or talk about anti Semitism or racism? Because there have been incidents targeting them and there is a history there.

Now I am not saying it’s rampant everywhere. I personally haven’t experienced it, but I do know that by shunning one of your own and labeling her an immigrant when she was born in the UK will male it very easy for the next mullah to go to a brown UK born kid and say “well look at what happened to her, do you really think they care about you?”
And if that kid already has such issues, it will be very very easy to push him over the edge using this case.

1. She shunned us. She wasn't kicked out of Britain. She ran away not just from the UK but from her Muslim family too. The chain of events wasn't started by the UK. Our government merely ended it.

2. If someone feels inspired by the example of Shamima languishing in misery......then I don't there there is any hope for that person. Such an idiot will be radicalised at some point whether Shamima exists or not.

 

[Firebat]

Shamima Begum: IS bride insists she 'didn't hate Britain' when she fled to Syria - and now wants to face trial in UK

Shamima Begum, the Bethnal Green schoolgirl who fled to Syria and joined IS, has told Sky News she was groomed by friends and older men she met online before joining the terror group.

Speaking from a prison camp in Syria, Begum said she wanted to go on trial in the UK and invited British officials to question her in prison.

And she said that when she left the UK in 2015 she "didn't hate Britain", but hated her life as she felt "very constricted".

In a wide-ranging interview, Begum spoke about her experiences with Islamic State and life in Syria.

"Can I keep my mask on?" Shamima Begum asks before the interview starts. "I'm looking ugly today."

Begum now speaks with a soft American twang and little trace of her east London upbringing.

She wears yoga leggings, a pink sweatshirt, black baseball cap and a small handbag across her chest.

In almost any other context, she would be utterly unremarkable, but this is a prison camp in northeast Syria and Begum, now free of her strict black Islamic State dress, remains a captive of her notorious past.

She left home in London aged 15 for the promise of paradise, instead she found "hell, hell on Earth".

Begum rejects accusations that she carried out atrocities as part of IS as "all completely false".

"I'm willing to fight them in a court of law but I'm not being given a chance."

She wants to do that in Britain but expects to go to prison even though the only crime she admits to committing is travelling to Syria itself.

Begum now believes she was groomed for "weeks and weeks and maybe even months and months. It wasn't just a decision I made very quickly, it was a decision I thought about for a while".

"I didn't hate Britain, I hated my life really," she said. "I felt very constricted, and I felt I couldn't live the life that I wanted in the UK as a British woman."

There is a childlike shyness to her, still. She rarely makes eye contact as we talk, often looking downwards and away; she interlinks her hands down by her waist, unconsciously closing her body a little as she answers my questions.

Perhaps she is a good actress, turning it on for the camera, but my instinct is that she is every bit as young and naive as you might expect of her 22 years. Naive, but not necessarily innocent.

Begum and I walk around al Roj camp together - mud and sand streets lined by white tents provided by the UN.

Begum is worried about recent fires, scared that her high profile will make her a target for inmates wanting to make a name for themselves.

"For a long time it [the camp] wasn't violent but for some reason it's become more scary to live here.

"Maybe the women have got tired of waiting for something," she reasons.

We talk about her family - she misses them but doesn't currently speak to them: "I don't think they failed me, in a way I failed them. When the time is right, I want to reconcile."

I ask her about her future: "It's hard to think about a future when everyone tells you that you're not going to go back."

And she brings up her Dutch husband, the father of her three dead children, who fought for Islamic State and recently spoke about their "beautiful life" together.

Are they still officially married? "Yes."

Does she sympathise with him? "No."

Does she miss him? "No."

Begum tells me that she rarely watches television but does have a stack of books in her tent, her favourites are by the Afghan author Khalid Hosseini. "I re-read the Kite Runner but I don't know why people keep giving me books about war."

By herself, she eats dried noodles, but is "having friends round to her tent for supper tomorrow night". She won't cook herself, instead she will buy it in from another woman on camp.

"I have hopes and dreams, things I want to do, to see," she says, but won't expand when I push her.

One of her friends, a Dutch prisoner called Hafedda Haddouch, tells me Begum often hides away in her tent for weeks. But Begum insists she's not suicidal, when I ask her.

The small group of women are clearly Shamima's support. They giggle and pose for photos, as vain as you would expect of anyone that age.

For some, Begum is a cause célèbre, unfairly imprisoned without trial and an example of a heartless Conservative government. For others, she is a terrorist, who still poses a threat to national security and should never be allowed back into the country of her birth.

Such is the visceral hatred of many in that quarter, you wonder whether a return to the UK would be wise at all for Begum.

Bangladesh, the country with which the UK claims she held dual-nationality, has rejected any association with her.

"There is no Plan B," is her answer when I ask what she will do if the British government doesn't reverse its position and reinstate her citizenship.

Have any British officials or lawyers visited her in prison? "Never", she claims.

Her opinion towards the media is conflicted - she blames past interviews and reporting "100%" for her current limbo, but also believes a high profile remains her only hope of release. There's probably some truth in both those positions.

Almost a third of Shamima Begum's life has now been lived in Syria. She is being held in prison, for an indeterminate amount of time, but hasn't yet stood trial. That much is fact.

If she had been repatriated the day the caliphate fell, she might already be some considerable way through a guilty sentence, but the British government decided she was a risk to national security, a decision the Supreme Court upheld.

She has been disowned by the country she grew up in, cut off from the family she grew up with, and is now part of a prison population that is becoming an increasingly unsustainable burden on the Kurdish authorities who guard them.

Shamima Begum is the woman that nobody wants, and she knows it. When she closes her eyes at night she says she is haunted by "my children dying, the bombings, the constant running, my friends dying".

Begum has already been judged, albeit only in the court of public opinion, and for now, she is going nowhere.

https://news.sky.com/story/shamima-...ia-and-now-wants-to-face-trial-in-uk-12475239

 

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ISIS bride Shamima Begum 'could return to UK' thanks to grooming case victory

A court ruling which saw a 16-year-old girl cleared of terrorism offences after being groomed could pave the way for Shamima Begum's return to the UK, it is claimed.

This week a British schoolgirl had charges against her dropped after the Home Office ruled she had been exploited online.

The teenager had been accused of possessing instructions for homemade firearms and explosives, but the case was dropped after officials accepted she had been sexually exploited.

It is claimed that the landmark ruling "strengthens" former ISIS bride Ms Begum's case to return to the UK.

Ms Begum, 22, is currently al-Roj camp in Syria after she was stripped of her British citizenship having left the UK at the age of 15.

The Londoner says she fears for her life after denouncing ISIS, and has pleaded to be allowed to return home.

This week's case - which saw a Derbyshire teen cleared after it was established she was being exploited by an extremist from the US - could see others who have been groomed online treated in a more lenient manner, experts claim.

Jonathan Hall QC, the independent reviewer of terrorism legislation, said: "Being both a victim of modern slavery and presenting a risk to the general public are not incompatible.

"If fewer criminal cases are going to be possible, this begs the question whether there are sufficient non-criminal justice measures in place, in particular to deal with the terrorist risk presented by children."

Tasnime Akunjee, who represents Ms Begum, said: "Shamima has been arguing this from the beginning.

"This just strengthens her case."

Shamima Begum was stripped of her British citizenship
Ms Begum has said she was groomed online before leaving the UK with friends Amira Abase and Kadiza Sultana when she was 15.

She fled the UK to join IS in 2015 and has now been barred from the country for life, according to then Home Secretary Sajid Javid.

She says she wants to go on trial in the UK and accepts she may end up in prison.

Ms Begum told Sky News last year that she didn't leave Britain because she hated it, but because she felt "very constricted".

Now 22, she has said she wants to return to the UK and stand trial
She also hit back at claims she committed atrocities with IS, suggesting they were "all completely false".

"I'm willing to fight them in a court of law but I'm not being given a chance," she said.

She claims that she was groomed for "months and months" before she moved to Syria, and that she did not make the decision quickly.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-ne...ould-26082560?presentid=webnews&ocid=msedgntp

 

[Robert]

I feel for this girl. She was groomed, brainwashed and had Stockholm Syndrome.

Bring her home. She needs psychotherapy.

She could even yield intel to MI6 and Five Eyes.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I feel for this girl. She was groomed, brainwashed and had Stockholm Syndrome.

Bring her home. She needs psychotherapy.

She could even yield intel to MI6 and Five Eyes.

I agree with the first two lines.

She has not intel to provide, ISIS are pretty much finsished after no more financial help along with Russia & Syria wiping them out.

The problem will be right wing press will keep her in the news to spread further anti-Muslim thinking.

 

[MenInG]

Shamima Begum has been told she is set to stand trial for terror offences. And the 22-year-old, who has been stripped of her British citizenship, is now worried that she could be executed if found guilty.

Begum, dubbed the ISIS bride after fleeing the UK at the age of 15 to join the terror group, has been living in Syrian refugee camps since attempting to get her British passport reinstated last year. The Mirror reports that she is likely to face prosecution after officials began investigating her links to ISIS.

Begum was one of three teenage girls who stunned the UK in 2015 when they travelled to Syria to become Jihadi brides. Begum has said she was groomed online before leaving the UK with friends Amira Abase and Kadiza Sultana.

Among the allegations Begum faces is that she helped make suicide bombs for ISIS terrorists. The Rojava region is self-governed and is not under the control of the Syrian regime.

Begum's friends say that she has little faith in the justice system there and remains desperate to return to Britain. A source told The Sun: “Begum has convinced herself she’ll pay the ultimate price if she is tried and found guilty of terrorism offences in Syria.

"She’s very frightened and concerned. She’s been told she will be put on trial in Rojava, probably as one of a group of women accused of terrorist offences.

"She hasn’t been given a date yet but has been told it will be in around September or October. Rojava authorities don’t advocate the death penalty but that has failed to convince her she won’t escape such a punishment.”

Last year Begum attempted to have her passport reinstated but she failed in her bid at the Supreme Court to come back to Britain to fight her case in person. Investigators in Rojava are believed to be looking at Begum's claims, which have included her saying she was “not fazed” by seeing heads in bins.

Begum has insisted she "didn't know ISIS was a death cult" and maintains she didn't want to hurt anyone. Solicitor Tasnime Akunjee, who has previously acted for Begum, said: “I feel her fears are justified. The justice system there is somewhat meagre.”

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...pc=U531&cvid=39faa3f6979d40f5a416289fb2b7ad56

 

[MenInG]

Shamima Begum, who fled the UK and joined the Islamic State group, was smuggled into Syria by an intelligence agent for Canada.

Files seen by the BBC show he claimed to have shared Ms Begum's passport details with Canada, and smuggled other Britons to fight for IS.

Ms Begum's lawyers are challenging the removal of her citizenship, arguing she was a trafficking victim.

Canada and the UK declined to comment on security issues.

Ms Begum was 15 when she and two other east London schoolgirls - Kadiza Sultana, 16, and 15-year-old Amira Abase - travelled to Syria to join the terrorist group IS in 2015.

At the main Istanbul bus station, the girls met Mohammed Al Rasheed, who would facilitate their journey to IS-controlled Syria.

A senior intelligence officer, at an agency which is part of the global coalition against IS, has confirmed to the BBC that Rasheed was providing information to Canadian intelligence while smuggling people to IS.

The BBC has obtained a dossier on Rasheed that contains information gathered by law enforcement and intelligence, as well as material recovered from his hard drives, which provide extraordinary detail about how he operated.

He told authorities that he had gathered information on the people he helped into Syria because he was passing it to the Canadian embassy in Jordan.

Rasheed, who was arrested in Turkey within days of smuggling Ms Begum to IS, told authorities he had shared a photo of the passport the British schoolgirl was using.

The Metropolitan Police were searching for her, although by the time Canada received her passport details, Ms Begum was already in Syria.

The dossier shows that Ms Begum was moved to Syria through a substantial IS people-smuggling network that was controlled from the group's de-facto capital in Raqqa.

Rasheed was in charge of the Turkish side of this network and facilitated the travel of British men, women and children to IS for at least eight months before he helped Ms Begum and her two friends.

Ms Begum told the BBC's forthcoming I'm Not A Monster podcast: "He organized the entire trip from Turkey to Syria… I don't think anyone would have been able to make it to Syria without the help of smugglers.

"He had helped a lot of people come in… We were just doing everything he was telling us to do because he knew everything, we didn't know anything."

Rasheed kept information about the people he helped, often photographing their ID documents or secretly filming them on his phone.

One recording shows Ms Begum and her friends get out of a taxi and into a waiting car not far from the Syrian border.

Rasheed also gathered information about IS, mapping the locations of the homes of Western IS fighters in Syria, identifying IP addresses and locations of internet cafes in IS-controlled territory, and taking screenshots of conversations he was having with IS fighters.

In one conversation, Rasheed spoke to a man believed to be notorious British IS fighter and recruiter, Raphael Hostey, who says to him: "I need you to work under me. Officially… I want you to help us bring people in."

In a follow-up text, Rasheed asks Hostey: "Can you explain a little, please?"

Hostey says: "Same thing that you're doing now, but you work for us bringing equipment, bringing in brothers and sisters". Mohammed Al Rasheed replies: "I am ready, brother."

Rasheed was arrested in the Turkish city of Sanliurfa not long after he had facilitated the girl's journey to Syria.

In a statement to law enforcement, he said that the reason he had gathered information on everyone he had helped, including Shamima, was because "I was passing this information to the Canadian embassy in Jordan".

Rasheed said that in 2013 he had gone to the Canadian Embassy in Jordan to try to apply for asylum. He said: "They told me they were going to grant me my Canadian citizenship if I collect information about the activities of ISIS."

The BBC has been able to confirm that Rasheed passed in and out of Jordan multiple times between 2013 and his arrest in 2015.

Tasnime Akunjee, the lawyer for the Begum family, said there will be a legal hearing in November to challenge the removal of Ms Begum's citizenship and "one of the main arguments" will be that then-Home Secretary Sajid Javid did not consider that she was a victim of trafficking.

"The UK has international obligations as to how we view a trafficked person and what culpability we prescribe to them for their actions," he said.

Mr Akunjee said it was "shocking" that a Canadian intelligence asset was a key part of the smuggling operation - "someone who is supposed to be an ally, protecting our people, rather than trafficking British children into a war zone".

"Intelligence-gathering looks to have been prioritised over the lives of children," he said.

Shamima Begum is now held in a detention camp in north-east Syria, her citizenship was taken away in 2019 after she emerged from the ashes of the so-called IS caliphate.

A Canadian Security Intelligence Service spokesman said he could not "publicly comment on or confirm or deny the specifics of CSIS investigations, operational interests, methodologies or activities".

A British government spokesperson said: "It is our long-standing policy that we do not comment on operational intelligence or security matters."

BBC

 

[cric_man]

Shamima Begum, who fled the UK and joined the Islamic State group, was smuggled into Syria by an intelligence agent for Canada.

Files seen by the BBC show he claimed to have shared Ms Begum's passport details with Canada, and smuggled other Britons to fight for IS.

Ms Begum's lawyers are challenging the removal of her citizenship, arguing she was a trafficking victim.

Canada and the UK declined to comment on security issues.

Ms Begum was 15 when she and two other east London schoolgirls - Kadiza Sultana, 16, and 15-year-old Amira Abase - travelled to Syria to join the terrorist group IS in 2015.

At the main Istanbul bus station, the girls met Mohammed Al Rasheed, who would facilitate their journey to IS-controlled Syria.

A senior intelligence officer, at an agency which is part of the global coalition against IS, has confirmed to the BBC that Rasheed was providing information to Canadian intelligence while smuggling people to IS.

The BBC has obtained a dossier on Rasheed that contains information gathered by law enforcement and intelligence, as well as material recovered from his hard drives, which provide extraordinary detail about how he operated.

He told authorities that he had gathered information on the people he helped into Syria because he was passing it to the Canadian embassy in Jordan.

Rasheed, who was arrested in Turkey within days of smuggling Ms Begum to IS, told authorities he had shared a photo of the passport the British schoolgirl was using.

The Metropolitan Police were searching for her, although by the time Canada received her passport details, Ms Begum was already in Syria.

The dossier shows that Ms Begum was moved to Syria through a substantial IS people-smuggling network that was controlled from the group's de-facto capital in Raqqa.

Rasheed was in charge of the Turkish side of this network and facilitated the travel of British men, women and children to IS for at least eight months before he helped Ms Begum and her two friends.

Ms Begum told the BBC's forthcoming I'm Not A Monster podcast: "He organized the entire trip from Turkey to Syria… I don't think anyone would have been able to make it to Syria without the help of smugglers.

"He had helped a lot of people come in… We were just doing everything he was telling us to do because he knew everything, we didn't know anything."

Rasheed kept information about the people he helped, often photographing their ID documents or secretly filming them on his phone.

One recording shows Ms Begum and her friends get out of a taxi and into a waiting car not far from the Syrian border.

Rasheed also gathered information about IS, mapping the locations of the homes of Western IS fighters in Syria, identifying IP addresses and locations of internet cafes in IS-controlled territory, and taking screenshots of conversations he was having with IS fighters.

In one conversation, Rasheed spoke to a man believed to be notorious British IS fighter and recruiter, Raphael Hostey, who says to him: "I need you to work under me. Officially… I want you to help us bring people in."

In a follow-up text, Rasheed asks Hostey: "Can you explain a little, please?"

Hostey says: "Same thing that you're doing now, but you work for us bringing equipment, bringing in brothers and sisters". Mohammed Al Rasheed replies: "I am ready, brother."

Rasheed was arrested in the Turkish city of Sanliurfa not long after he had facilitated the girl's journey to Syria.

In a statement to law enforcement, he said that the reason he had gathered information on everyone he had helped, including Shamima, was because "I was passing this information to the Canadian embassy in Jordan".

Rasheed said that in 2013 he had gone to the Canadian Embassy in Jordan to try to apply for asylum. He said: "They told me they were going to grant me my Canadian citizenship if I collect information about the activities of ISIS."

The BBC has been able to confirm that Rasheed passed in and out of Jordan multiple times between 2013 and his arrest in 2015.

Tasnime Akunjee, the lawyer for the Begum family, said there will be a legal hearing in November to challenge the removal of Ms Begum's citizenship and "one of the main arguments" will be that then-Home Secretary Sajid Javid did not consider that she was a victim of trafficking.

"The UK has international obligations as to how we view a trafficked person and what culpability we prescribe to them for their actions," he said.

Mr Akunjee said it was "shocking" that a Canadian intelligence asset was a key part of the smuggling operation - "someone who is supposed to be an ally, protecting our people, rather than trafficking British children into a war zone".

"Intelligence-gathering looks to have been prioritised over the lives of children," he said.

Shamima Begum is now held in a detention camp in north-east Syria, her citizenship was taken away in 2019 after she emerged from the ashes of the so-called IS caliphate.

A Canadian Security Intelligence Service spokesman said he could not "publicly comment on or confirm or deny the specifics of CSIS investigations, operational interests, methodologies or activities".

A British government spokesperson said: "It is our long-standing policy that we do not comment on operational intelligence or security matters."

BBC

So essentially 5 eyes behind ISIS?

 

[sweep_shot]

So essentially 5 eyes behind ISIS?

ISIS always felt like a CIA project. Something seems off about this entire group.

 

[Technics 1210]

So essentially 5 eyes behind ISIS?

Yup. But most knew this already.

ISIS was created and funded by 5 eyes.

 

[sweep_shot]

Biggest red flag about ISIS for me was when they were dismissing opinions of Islamic scholars/preachers worldwide and making random takfirs.

Making wholesale takfir like that is dangerous and any practicing Muslim should know it.

5 Eyes is a dodgy organization.

These Middle East conflicts seem artificially manufactured by (((them))) to further Greater Israel project. Conflicts in Middle East are good for Israel because it weakens nearby Arab states.

I feel bad for Shamima. She was young and got sucked in. Shame on the Canadian intelligence agent who smuggled her to Syria.

 

[Robert]

I agree with the first two lines.

She has not intel to provide, ISIS are pretty much finsished after no more financial help along with Russia & Syria wiping them out.

The problem will be right wing press will keep her in the news to spread further anti-Muslim thinking.

Listening to LBC today. Most callers support bringing her home to stand trial.

But I agree that the Gov revoked her citizenship to throw red meat to the xenophobe vote, the send-‘em-back merchants.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Listening to LBC today. Most callers support bringing her home to stand trial.

But I agree that the Gov revoked her citizenship to throw red meat to the xenophobe vote, the send-‘em-back merchants.

After todays revelation , she should be bought back home asap, given millions in compensation and a full legal enquiry should be held!

A female child was helped into ISIS hands by an agent of the West.

US have admitted to arming, funding and supporting Al-Qada. ISIS is also one of their groups. IT doesn't take away from extremists who join them but the cat has been out the bag, these are mercenaries parading around as religious warriors, paid and armed by good old freedom loving West.

 

[shaz619]

After todays revelation , she should be bought back home asap, given millions in compensation and a full legal enquiry should be held!

A female child was helped into ISIS hands by an agent of the West.

US have admitted to arming, funding and supporting Al-Qada. ISIS is also one of their groups. IT doesn't take away from extremists who join them but the cat has been out the bag, these are mercenaries parading around as religious warriors, paid and armed by good old freedom loving West.

Priti Patel will try to send her to Canada now lol

Beyond this the situation surrounding how they can just revoke citizenship should concern all minorities, we need to make noise through our local councils even if they are pathetic

 

[Robert]

After todays revelation , she should be bought back home asap, given millions in compensation and a full legal enquiry should be held!

A female child was helped into ISIS hands by an agent of the West.

US have admitted to arming, funding and supporting Al-Qada. ISIS is also one of their groups. IT doesn't take away from extremists who join them but the cat has been out the bag, these are mercenaries parading around as religious warriors, paid and armed by good old freedom loving West.

Unsure what mechanism for compensation might exist - perhaps she could sue the Canadian government?

Canadian spooks wouldn’t necessarily cooperate with a UK legal inquiry.

Wonder what the operative’s motivation was. To try to get info on her “groomers” and other associates perhaps.

 

[Robert]

Priti Patel will try to send her to Canada now lol

Beyond this the situation surrounding how they can just revoke citizenship should concern all minorities, we need to make noise through our local councils even if they are pathetic

It’s a highly illiberal power of the Home Sec and should be revoked.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Priti Patel will try to send her to Canada now lol

Beyond this the situation surrounding how they can just revoke citizenship should concern all minorities, we need to make noise through our local councils even if they are pathetic

The snout is probably in Rwanda now lol.

It always laws for terrorism but the goal is for the population at large. The people accept their freedoms to be eroded because they foolishly think its only for brown,black,chinese,russians or others who are extremists but in reality its for their children's future. They know what is coming , hunger, poverty and possibly war.

Unsure what mechanism for compensation might exist - perhaps she could sue the Canadian government?

Canadian spooks wouldn’t necessarily cooperate with a UK legal inquiry.

Wonder what the operative’s motivation was. To try to get info on her “groomers” and other associates perhaps.

Now we know, the UK government must ensure her safety. Im pretty sure MI6 or MI5 knew she was being used by a western agent and allowed a child to be sent over to extremist evil people.

I think it was just merely a form of cover, sadly these people dont care for the well being of a child but to fulfill their own agendas.

I was unsure but now feel very sorry for here. She was groomed and used by intelligence services.

 

[Robert]

The snout is probably in Rwanda now lol.

It always laws for terrorism but the goal is for the population at large. The people accept their freedoms to be eroded because they foolishly think its only for brown,black,chinese,russians or others who are extremists but in reality its for their children's future. They know what is coming , hunger, poverty and possibly war.



Now we know, the UK government must ensure her safety. Im pretty sure MI6 or MI5 knew she was being used by a western agent and allowed a child to be sent over to extremist evil people.

I think it was just merely a form of cover, sadly these people dont care for the well being of a child but to fulfill their own agendas.

I was unsure but now feel very sorry for here. She was groomed and used by intelligence services.

I suspect that agencies don’t always talk to each other. I have no doubt that CIA and MI6 collect information on each other, Special Relationship notwithstanding. I suspect that this Canadian exceeded their brief. As you know I am more likely to believe cocq-up theory than conspiracy theory.

 

[Technics 1210]

I have heard it all now, agencies do not speak with each other? 5 Eyes is a security and intelligence alliance that share intel and work together.

UK
USA
Canada
Australia
New Zealand.

UK + former British Colonies; all governed by White Christian nations.

This is no conspiracy, it is reality, and a fact.

 

[MenInG]

So why are we believing this story which is provided by MSM?

 

[Technics 1210]

So why are we believing this story which is provided by MSM?

News was reported via non-MSM sources a while back, plus it’s well known that ISIS is the creation of the West, and now MSM news is only vindicating those so called ‘conspiracy theorists’.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I suspect that agencies don’t always talk to each other. I have no doubt that CIA and MI6 collect information on each other, Special Relationship notwithstanding. I suspect that this Canadian exceeded their brief. As you know I am more likely to believe cocq-up theory than conspiracy theory.

They do. UK government knew, as her lawyers mentioned this to the government years ago, they refused to comment and hid this via their media.

Its not a mistake, its a deliberate act to use a young child as cover or influence to infiltrate. They knew this girl was to be married off most likely as a child, so in essence western intelligence was involved in sex trafficking to a terrorist group! You cant even make this up.

Robert, you seem a good chap but its time to accept the US/UK and other poodles are not good guys, history proves otherwise, this is just another topping to it.

 

[dildilpak]

I cant imagine why the Canadian agent was doing that unless he was a double-agent. Surely, he was exceeding his brief here.

 

[Robert]

They do. UK government knew, as her lawyers mentioned this to the government years ago, they refused to comment and hid this via their media.

Its not a mistake, its a deliberate act to use a young child as cover or influence to infiltrate. They knew this girl was to be married off most likely as a child, so in essence western intelligence was involved in sex trafficking to a terrorist group! You cant even make this up.

Robert, you seem a good chap but its time to accept the US/UK and other poodles are not good guys, history proves otherwise, this is just another topping to it.

I'm just applying Occam's Razor. If HM Gov wanted Begum implanted into ISIL then they would have used MI6, not contracted out to Canada. And how would they get her back out to interrogate her, if the Home Secretary renounced her citizenship?

That The Five Eyes protocol exists doesn't mean that every state shares intel with every other state, or even whether this Canadian agent was w his bosses. I've seen plenty of mission-critical information fail to be carried across a small office, let alone different countries. The elbow doesn't know what the posterior is doing.

Too many holes in this to be plausible. Hence, cocq-up theory. I know that's difficult to accept for a man who believes inshallah - everything is on purpose, and as above so below, so all bad things are done because bad people are in control - but the older I get, the more firmly I believe that bad things happen because good people aren't in enough control.

 

[sweep_shot]

I cant imagine why the Canadian agent was doing that unless he was a double-agent. Surely, he was exceeding his brief here.

The agent has a Muslim name and I am assuming he is a Muslim.

Why would any Muslim want to work for a western intelligence agency in the first place? They are spying on Muslims, entrapping Muslims etc. These guys are traitors.

 

[Technics 1210]

I remember when 5-eyes was first mentioned on PP, and some of the users in this thread dubbed the alliance a conspiracy theory.

Glad to know people are waking up to the realities of the world we live in.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I'm just applying Occam's Razor. If HM Gov wanted Begum implanted into ISIL then they would have used MI6, not contracted out to Canada. And how would they get her back out to interrogate her, if the Home Secretary renounced her citizenship?

That The Five Eyes protocol exists doesn't mean that every state shares intel with every other state, or even whether this Canadian agent was w his bosses. I've seen plenty of mission-critical information fail to be carried across a small office, let alone different countries. The elbow doesn't know what the posterior is doing.

Too many holes in this to be plausible. Hence, cocq-up theory. I know that's difficult to accept for a man who believes inshallah - everything is on purpose, and as above so below, so all bad things are done because bad people are in control - but the older I get, the more firmly I believe that bad things happen because good people aren't in enough control.

MI6 work with all other such agencies from their allied nations. I believe they allowed a British girl to be used in this way by Canada, prob didn't want to stop their operation. There was no aim for her to return, the opposite is true, they thought she would be killed or vanished somewhere. British changed the law for this reason, as if she returned it would have been embarrassing as people here think we are the good guys.

Please dont patronise my faith, Im trying to be decent but lets behave as you wish. Even after the Iraqi government voted to demand all Americans leave Iraq, you foolishly claimed there is no occupation. Lets be frank with such a ignorant mindset, its shows a poor bias, too many Bond Films.

UK and US history shows they are biggest terrorists perhaps in the history of mankind, not some female child.

Btw ISIS is a CIA creation but too hard for you to accept.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I remember when 5-eyes was first mentioned on PP, and some of the users in this thread dubbed the alliance a conspiracy theory.

Glad to know people are waking up to the realities of the world we live in.

Yep, I find it staggering people turn a blind eye to their nations terrorism but cry like a 3 year old girl if some random mental chap does the same to them. Such people will never wake up but many who have no bias in their hearts will.

The 5 eyes is a group of intelligence services whose only goal is to use proxy to harm nations which are a threat to their wealth.

 

[Technics 1210]

Yep, I find it staggering people turn a blind eye to their nations terrorism but cry like a 3 year old girl if some random mental chap does the same to them. Such people will never wake up but many who have no bias in their hearts will.

The 5 eyes is a group of intelligence services whose only goal is to use proxy to harm nations which are a threat to their wealth.

Indeed 100%

I find it even more staggering that now said people have admitted to an alliance such as 5 eyes exists but refuse to acknowledge the fact that members of the 5 eyes confer, share, and work together towards the same goals. To ignore these facts means to reject any alliance even exists.

Slowly but surely the truth will come out, the 5 eyes work together not just to protect their wealth, but their ideals, and their agenda, which is a global JC imperialist system.

Remember a few weeks ago there was a report of UK special forces killing innocent people in the ME. A report into the actions of trigger happy armed forces was mentioned, yet we have no news on the story let alone who will comission the report.

All rigged by the 5 eyes.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Indeed 100%

I find it even more staggering that now said people have admitted to an alliance such as 5 eyes exists but refuse to acknowledge the fact that members of the 5 eyes confer, share, and work together towards the same goals. To ignore these facts means to reject any alliance even exists.

Slowly but surely the truth will come out, the 5 eyes work together not just to protect their wealth, but their ideals, and their agenda, which is a global JC imperialist system.

Remember a few weeks ago there was a report of UK special forces killing innocent people in the ME. A report into the actions of trigger happy armed forces was mentioned, yet we have no news on the story let alone who will comission the report.

All rigged by the 5 eyes.

You're correct, the alliance also is working together to hide their war crimes. Those known are a drop in the ocean of the crimes against humanity US and its poodles have done in the last 22 years.

ISIS were created by CIA. Its founding leaders inc Baghdadi were all based in Camp Bucca in Iraq, where they turned to side and work for the west. You wont even find that fact they were in Camp Bucca on the BBC or perhaps the fact the whole town of Idlib in Syria is run by these mercenaries, awaiting orders from western intelligence. Some have been sent to Ukraine but were quickly wiped out.

Its common sense, the worlds biggest state terrorists would also be the illegitimate fathers of the biggest terrorist groups. But instead we have idiots abusing a faith of nearly 2 billion and being scared of a girl who was used in sex trafficking for their own agendas.

But the BIGGEST smoking Gun is ISIS, Al-Q and Al whatever have never attacked Israel.

 

[Technics 1210]

You're correct, the alliance also is working together to hide their war crimes. Those known are a drop in the ocean of the crimes against humanity US and its poodles have done in the last 22 years.

ISIS were created by CIA. Its founding leaders inc Baghdadi were all based in Camp Bucca in Iraq, where they turned to side and work for the west. You wont even find that fact they were in Camp Bucca on the BBC or perhaps the fact the whole town of Idlib in Syria is run by these mercenaries, awaiting orders from western intelligence. Some have been sent to Ukraine but were quickly wiped out.

Its common sense, the worlds biggest state terrorists would also be the illegitimate fathers of the biggest terrorist groups. But instead we have idiots abusing a faith of nearly 2 billion and being scared of a girl who was used in sex trafficking for their own agendas.

But the BIGGEST smoking Gun is ISIS, Al-Q and Al whatever have never attacked Israel.

It is no big secret that the CIA along with their special friends, MI6, created and funded ISIS and AQ.

MI6 have been caught with their pants down multiple times, more recently, the fake Trump dossier, and of course, the curious death of David Kelly, who allegedly committed suicide, but evidence was pointing to murder.

Next thing we will be told is CIA were not responsible for regime change in South America.

The bottom line is many folk are afraid of the truth, regardless of their age, for too long they’ve believed the West are the good guys, but like you said, their brainwashed beliefs are shattered in-front of their eyes, and they cannot stomach the truth.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It is no big secret that the CIA along with their special friends, MI6, created and funded ISIS and AQ.

MI6 have been caught with their pants down multiple times, more recently, the fake Trump dossier, and of course, the curious death of David Kelly, who allegedly committed suicide, but evidence was pointing to murder.

Next thing we will be told is CIA were not responsible for regime change in South America.

The bottom line is many folk are afraid of the truth, regardless of their age, for too long they’ve believed the West are the good guys, but like you said, their brainwashed beliefs are shattered in-front of their eyes, and they cannot stomach the truth.

I think its called Denailsim.

"Denialism is an essentially irrational action that withholds the validation of a historical experience or event, when a person refuses to accept an empirically verifiable reality"

The problem with this is the excuses render a person as untruthful or having extreme intentional bias.

Its also not even so called democracy which is preached and bombed to the rest of the world. In the UK,US only a small % call out their warmongering and terrorism, the fact many are scared or shy shows another flaw in this so called liberal democratic way of life.

This news broke 8 years ago but no investigation by UK government or debate in the MSM..because they knew their crime in these cases. Btw its not just one girl but many who have been used for sex trafficking by western intel.

ANKARA (Reuters) - A spy who worked for a country in the U.S.-led coalition that is fighting Islamic State had helped three British girls to cross into Syria to join the militants and has been caught, the Turkish foreign minister said on Thursday.

The minister, Mevlut Cavusoglu, told broadcaster A Haber in an interview: “He was caught. It turned out to be someone who works for the intelligence of a country from the coalition.”

He didn’t say which country the spy was working for, but said it was not the European Union or the United States. The coalition also includes countries such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Jordan, Bahrain, Australia and Canada.

A European security source familiar with the case of the three girls said the person in question had a connection with the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) spy agency.

A Canadian government source in Ottawa said the person was not a Canadian citizen and was not employed by CSIS. The source did not respond when asked whether the person had been working for CSIS.

The spy agency did not respond to requests for comment. The office of Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney - in overall charge of law enforcement - said it did not comment on operational matters.

A Turkish official who declined to be identified told Reuters the spy was now in custody.

“The person was working for the intelligence agency of a coalition country but is not a citizen of that country. The person was not a Turkish citizen either,” he said.

Islamic State seized large swathes of land last June, including territory close to the Turkish border. The U.S.-led coalition is using mostly air power in an attempt to push the Sunni militant group back.

British police and the girls’ families have issued appeals for their daughters to return home after they flew to Istanbul from London on Feb. 17. Amira Abase, 15, Shamima Begum, 15, and Kadiza Sultana, 16, are thought to have since entered Syrian territory controlled by Islamic State.

Thousands of foreigners from more than 80 nations, including Britain, other parts of Europe, China and the United States, have joined the ranks of Islamic State and other radical groups in Syria and Iraq, many crossing through Turkey.

Turkey says it needs more information from foreign intelligence agencies to intercept them.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-britain-schoolgirls-idUSKBN0M81O120150312

Lets hope the other girls, two mentioned in this article and anymore are still alive and safe but I doubt it.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I cant imagine why the Canadian agent was doing that unless he was a double-agent. Surely, he was exceeding his brief here.

It was many girls.

You live in US but it doesn't mean you need to have Denialism. I live in UK , have done all my life but we must speak the truth. Our nations rulers for many years have been mere criminals, most horrific crimes. Calling them out by majority is a hope things may change.

You live in NY, please dont tell me you believe 911 official story. From this one event , you should know they are capable of anything.

 

[Robert]

The agent has a Muslim name and I am assuming he is a Muslim.

Why would any Muslim want to work for a western intelligence agency in the first place? They are spying on Muslims, entrapping Muslims etc. These guys are traitors.

Perhaps protecting their homeland is more important than religion to them.

 

[Robert]

MI6 work with all other such agencies from their allied nations. I believe they allowed a British girl to be used in this way by Canada, prob didn't want to stop their operation. There was no aim for her to return, the opposite is true, they thought she would be killed or vanished somewhere. British changed the law for this reason, as if she returned it would have been embarrassing as people here think we are the good guys.

Please dont patronise my faith, Im trying to be decent but lets behave as you wish. Even after the Iraqi government voted to demand all Americans leave Iraq, you foolishly claimed there is no occupation. Lets be frank with such a ignorant mindset, its shows a poor bias, too many Bond Films.

UK and US history shows they are biggest terrorists perhaps in the history of mankind, not some female child.

Btw ISIS is a CIA creation but too hard for you to accept.

I meant no disrespect but consider that you first patronised me with

Robert, you seem a good chap but its time to accept the US/UK and other poodles are not good guys, history proves otherwise, this is just another topping to it.

We were doing well for a while there. I was enjoying talking with you. Let’s try to be civil again.

Neither of us know what happened, and probably never will as this intel will not be declassified until 2050 at least. We are connecting, filtered by our respective internal maps of reality.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I meant no disrespect but consider that you first patronised me with



We were doing well for a while there. I was enjoying talking with you. Let’s try to be civil again.

Neither of us know what happened, and probably never will as this intel will not be declassified until 2050 at least. We are connecting, filtered by our respective internal maps of reality.

Sure lets move on.

There is a lot of information missing but may never be known. This is why its important to get this girl back to her home, take her to trial and find out what really happened.

Imo the British government realised this would come out after Turkey gave up their secrets. A British journalist was sent to interview her but in reality to demonise her , days later Sajid Javid took her British citizenship meaning no trial or case will ever be held , she lost all rights of defence.

You are welcome to give the benefit to UK government, for your own reasons. My reasons are based on details not emerging and the history of UK in geo-politics, its a cover up after using 3 young girls, sex trafficking them for their own political goals. Sadly 2 of the 3 girls are now dead, only Shamima lives on. Complicit in their deaths too imo.

 

[Robert]

Sure lets move on.

There is a lot of information missing but may never be known. This is why its important to get this girl back to her home, take her to trial and find out what really happened.

Imo the British government realised this would come out after Turkey gave up their secrets. A British journalist was sent to interview her but in reality to demonise her , days later Sajid Javid took her British citizenship meaning no trial or case will ever be held , she lost all rights of defence.

You are welcome to give the benefit to UK government, for your own reasons. My reasons are based on details not emerging and the history of UK in geo-politics, its a cover up after using 3 young girls, sex trafficking them for their own political goals. Sadly 2 of the 3 girls are now dead, only Shamima lives on. Complicit in their deaths too imo.

So let us bring Begum home and try to stop any further damage. If she has committed a crime then let her face her accusers in court. But don’t expect the spooks to cooperate with an inquiry.

 

[sweep_shot]

Shamima should be brought back to UK considering she was entrapped by western intelligence. They put Shamima (a then 15-year old) in a very vulnerable position. She should be compensated too.

Western intelligence is also responsible for deaths of Shamima's two classmates.

 

[Robert]

Shamima should be brought back to UK considering she was entrapped by western intelligence. They put Shamima (a then 15-year old) in a very vulnerable position. She should be compensated too.

Western intelligence is also responsible for deaths of Shamima's two classmates.

That's an overgeneralisation. There are dozens of countries in the West, each with their own agendas.

Any hypothetical compensation claim is against the Canadian government.

 

[Technics 1210]

One pattern I have noticed. When the Western agenda and hypocrisy is exposed, the apologists shift to denial and defensive mode.

For example :

• Canadian intelligence caught, but nothing to do with 5 eyes.
• 5 Eyes involved, nothing to do with the UK.
• 5 eyes a security alliance, the 5 members do not confer with each other.
• Julian Assange is a symbol of free journalism, not if he exposes the acts of Western governments.

The list goes on, and frankly, such people are the worst because they claim to represent truth, honour, and integrity yet deny all the facts with plausible deniability and outright hypocrisy.

Pseudo racism all round.

 

[sweep_shot]

One pattern I have noticed. When the Western agenda and hypocrisy is exposed, the apologists shift to denial and defensive mode.

For example :

• Canadian intelligence caught, but nothing to do with 5 eyes.
• 5 Eyes involved, nothing to do with the UK.
• 5 eyes a security alliance, the 5 members do not confer with each other.
• Julian Assange is a symbol of free journalism, not if he exposes the acts of Western governments.

The list goes on, and frankly, such people are the worst because they claim to represent truth, honour, and integrity yet deny all the facts with plausible deniability and outright hypocrisy.

Pseudo racism all round.

Indeed. Well said.

These intelligence agencies all work together. It is hard to believe other intelligence agencies didn't know about this.

I suspect there are many more cases like this.

 

[Robert]

Indeed. Well said.

These intelligence agencies all work together. It is hard to believe other intelligence agencies didn't know about this.

When you’re as old as I am you’ll know that five departments of the same organisation in the same building don’t always talk to each other.

Messages don’t get carried. People slope off home early. People call in sick and nobody checks their messages. People don’t like certain other people and avoid talking to them.

Add in national barriers and people who are required to be suspicious and secretive - of each other, let along foreigners - and it’s a wonder than any intel ever gets shared at all.

 

[MenInG]

Shamima Begum will return to court this week to insist she is no longer a national security threat, in a case that could open the floodgates to returning jihadists.

Ms Begum fled to Syria to join Islamic State (IS) as a 15-year-old schoolgirl in 2015, only to resurface in a refugee camp in 2019 after the so-called caliphate crumbled.

Her British citizenship was stripped by Sajid Javid, then home secretary, setting in motion a series of legal battles as she fought for her right to return to the UK.

Now 23, Ms Begum will bring her case back before the Special Immigration Appeals Commission (SIAC) to challenge the Home Office’s claim she is a danger to national security.

It is the second part of her SIAC case, after the court initially ruled the home secretary did not unlawfully render her stateless by removing her citizenship, because she has Bangladeshi citizenship by descent.

Ms Begum continues to be held at the al-Roj camp in northern Syria, which is run by the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF). She has lost three children since travelling to the warzone.

At the time she was deprived of her citizenship, her family in the UK were told by the Government that MI5 “considers that an individual assessed to have travelled to Syria and to have aligned with Isil poses a threat to national security”.

There is significant concern among authorities that, if Ms Begum were to win the case, it could set a precedent which allows an influx of potentially dangerous jihadists.

It has been estimated that around 60 British citizens are being held in indefinite detention in Syria after fleeing areas once controlled by Islamic State.

But a greater threat could be posed by up to 150 terror suspects who have been stripped of their British citizenship and could try to challenge their own rulings if Ms Begum’s case succeeds.

The prospect of keeping under surveillance dozens of battle-hardened jihadists continues to be the source of serious concern for authorities.

Ms Begum's lawyers intend to argue that she was a victim of child trafficking when she travelled to the Middle East.

They have also argued that the national security case against her is a "very general one" that amounts to her travelling to Syria and becoming "aligned" to Islamic State.

They accuse the Home Office of failing to consider whether she had been taken unlawfully to Syria “for the purposes of sexual exploitation and forced marriage”.

A document presented to Mr Javid by security officials at the time suggested Ms Begum could be viewed as a “victim” who was radicalised as a child, but said she still presented a national security threat.

However, lawyers for the Government have pointed out that Ms Begum has never previously described herself as a trafficking victim during numerous television interviews in the camp.

MI5 assessment outlined danger of returning IS supporters

She was described as a “real and current threat to national security” by Sir James Eadie KC, representing the Government, during one of Ms Begum's previous legal appeals at the Supreme Court in 2020.

Sir James said the Government's security fears were “not undermined a jot” by the fact Ms Begum travelled to Syria when she was very young.

He said the “radicalisation and desensitisation” to violence that Ms Begum underwent in Syria - illustrated by her comments in an interview that the sight of severed heads “didn’t faze” her - meant she still presented a danger to the public.

During the proceedings, an MI5 assessment was made public which outlined the potential danger Britain faces from returning Islamic State supporters.

The document said the jihadists “likely obtained instructions and training” in the use of firearms, weapons and other skills that could be used to carry out an attack.

The Security Service went on to warn that even non-combatants would "regularly carry weapons and will have received some level of military training".

The national security case against Ms Begum may also include claims, first reported by The Telegraph, that she was an enforcer in IS’s morality police.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...sedgntp&cvid=d6e39427b0b74171a1f921803dc8ac2b

 

[Robert]

I don’t think Begum will get a chance under a Tory government which deliberately demonises refugees. She should wait for the more liberal Starmer to become PM.

 

[MenInG]

Shamima Begum's appeal over the removal of her UK citizenship for joining Islamic State begins in a London court today.

 

[ex-q-zit]

Shamima Begum was 'sexually exploited by ISIS'

Shamima Begum, the jihadi bride, was trafficked by ISIS for sexual exploitation, her lawyers have told a hearing to appeal against her deprivation of citizenship.

She launched her main appeal against the decision, with her lawyers telling a tribunal: "Shamima Begum is a young Muslim woman, someone about who everyone can give an opinion."

Samantha Knights KC, for Ms Begum, told the first of a five-day hearing at the Special Immigration Appeals Commission (SIAC) that they faced an "overwhelming impediment" to make her case.

Her lawyers have compiled a series of experts to give evidence, including doctors and psychologists, who are experts in assessing how the adolescent mind affects judgment.

Ms Begum was a "British child aged 15 who was persuaded by a determined and effective ISIS propaganda machine to follow a pre-existing route and provide a marriage for an ISIS fighter," Ms Knights told the tribunal.

Her transfer into Syria, across the Turkish border, was assisted by a Canadian double agent, her lawyer added.

Ms Begum, now 23, left Britain with two friends from the Bethnal Green Academy in East London, who are thought to have been killed in the conflict.

She was captured following the collapse of ISIS in January 2018 and taken to the al-Hawl detention camp, before being transferred to the al-Roj camp, where she has disavowed the terrorist group and said she wants to return home.

However, she was stripped of her British citizenship on the grounds of national security in February 2019 amid a political row over whether she was a dual British and Bangladeshi citizen.

Begum was 'cynically recruited and groomed'

Her lawyers also said Ms Begum was "cynically recruited and groomed" by ISIS so that she could be married off to an older man within days of arrival in their territory.

"The evidence is overwhelming that she was recruited, transported, transferred, harboured and received in Syria by ISIS for the purpose of sexual exploitation and marriage to an adult male - and she was, indeed, married to an adult, significantly older than herself, within days of her arrival in Syria, falling pregnant soon after," they said.

Ms Begum, who was 15 years old when she arrived in Syria, and "therefore not able to consent to marriage or sexual activity", was "married off" on or about February 20 2015 - 10 days after her arrival in Syria to Yago Reidijk, a Dutch national who was "considerably older," they added.

Ms Knights told the tribunal it is here that she is being "held in conditions of indefinite detention by a non-state actor, prevented from all access to her by lawyers and independent experts and, to her detriment, unrestricted access has been given to her by the press."

Home Office witness gives evidence

She called the case "extraordinary" and said Sajid Javid, the home secretary who deprived her of her citizenship, had taken "over hasty steps" less than a week after Ms Begum gave her first interview from detention in Syria to the Times.

Mr Javid then fed commentary, including an article written by himself, into the process, Ms Knights said.

"That is in direct contrast to the precautionary approach set out by our experts on how to assess the decisions, thoughts, and behaviour of an adolescent involved during her teenage years in a child marriage," she added.

The home secretary's duty to protect the public was not "monolithic" and required "wider context" as well as the consideration about the "safeguarding of victims" of trafficking, Ms Knights said.

Philip Larkin, a witness for the Home Office, told the hearing that there had been "no formal conclusion" on whether Ms Begum was the victim of human trafficking.

He accepted that Ms Begum must have had helped to cross the border, telling the tribunal: "Any individual who travelled illegally across the Turkish Syrian border would have needed assistance to make that trip."

But he declined to say whether she had been "recruited" was the victim of "sexual exploitation."

In July last year, the Supreme Court ruled against the Court of Appeal which had said that she should be allowed to return as the risk of her launching an attack could be "addressed and managed".

The hearing continues.

MSN

 

[sweep_shot]

Shamima Begum was trafficked by western intelligence. Shame on them for taking advantage of a kid.

I wonder how many such cases happened. We may never know the exact number.

 

[James]

<b>Shamima Begum, who left the UK for Syria as a teenager to join the Islamic State group, was a victim of human trafficking for sexual exploitation purposes, a tribunal has been told.</b>

Ms Begum travelled to Syria in 2015, with her citizenship stripped on national security grounds in 2019.

A five-day immigration hearing is considering an attempt to challenge the removal of her UK citizenship.

The Home Office insists she continues to pose a threat to national security.

The case is being heard at the Special Immigration Appeals Commission (SIAC), which has similar standing to the High Court, and can hear national security evidence in secret if necessary.

Lawyers for Ms Begum, now 23, told the court that a decision by then-Home Secretary Sajid Javid to remove her British citizenship was unlawful, as it did not consider whether she had been a child victim of trafficking.

She remains in a camp controlled by armed guards in northern Syria, nearly eight years after running away from home aged 15 alongside two other east London schoolgirls - Kadiza Sultana, 16, and 15-year-old Amira Abase.

Ms Sultana is believed to have been killed in a Russian air strike in Syria, according to her family's solicitor.

The whereabouts of Ms Abase are unknown, but Ms Begum previously said in a 2019 interview that she had heard she might still be alive.

In August, a BBC News investigation revealed Ms Begum was smuggled into Syria by an intelligence agent who was working for Canada at the time. The Canadian government has said that it will "follow up" on the allegations.

Once in Syria, she married a Dutch recruit and lived under IS rule for more than three years.

In 2019, she was found by the Times newspaper, nine months pregnant, in a Syrian refugee camp.

Her baby later died of pneumonia and Ms Begum said she had previously lost two other children.

In an interview with BBC News in September 2021, Ms Begum said she would regret joining the Islamic State group (referred to as IS, ISIS and ISIL) for the rest of her life and offered to help the UK fight terrorism.

Ms Begum previously said the 2017 Manchester Arena bombing, in which 22 people - some of them children - were killed in a bombing claimed by IS, was similar to military strikes on IS strongholds and called the terror attack "retaliation".

BBC

 

[MenInG]

The mother of Shamima Begum, the British schoolgirl who joined ISIS, has said her world "fell apart" when she ran away from home.

Asma Begum said her daughter's bedroom in the family home has not been touched since she travelled to Syria in 2015.

"My youngest daughter is even more present in my mind, the one I think about almost every hour of every day," the mother said in a statement read at an appeal hearing against the government's decision to strip Ms Begum, now 23, of her British citizenship.

"When she left home in 2015, our worlds fell apart. Her drawers are still full, her perfume, pens and jewellery, her clothes are still there. Her pyjamas are folded neatly.

"Her school blazer is still hanging on the door in the front room, just as it was when she left."

The family, who live in Bethnal Green, east London, were not considered in the decision to remove her citizenship, he said, breaching their human right to a family life.

The decision to strip Ms Begum of her citizenship was taken by Sajid Javid, the home secretary at the time, who contended that she also had Bangladeshi citizenship.

The government was not allowed to leave her stateless under international law.

Mr Squires said on Wednesday that she would be hanged if she were to return to Bangladesh and was now effectively stateless.

Mr Javid should have considered the effect of removing Ms Begum's citizenship, when she had never visited Bangladesh and had no passport for the country, he said.

"It is clear that he gave no consideration to the prospect that the deprivation decision would render the appellant de facto stateless," Mr Squires said.

The Bangladeshi authorities said they did not consider her to be a Bangladeshi citizen, and would provide her with no assistance.

Mr Squires added: "On the contrary, the Bangladesh authorities would have confirmed that the appellant would be hanged if she entered the country."

Ms Begum's lawyers also argued the decision to revoke her citizenship failed to consider anti-discrimination laws and led to British Muslims feeling singled out and discriminated against.

Mr Squires said the government's actions disproportionately targeted British Muslims, citing findings from the Institute of Race Relations which said the deprivation policy is "almost exclusively" applied to Muslims.

The government maintains that there was no error of law in Mr Javid's decision to revoke her citizenship and says the power to deprive is an important tool in protecting the public.

Lawyers for the Home Office, who are due to make their oral arguments on Thursday, said that Ms Begum was in Syria "as a result of her own choice to leave the UK".

Sir James Eadie KC, for the department, continued in written submissions: "It is not appropriate to start from the point at which Ms Begum left the UK, and assume family ties would have remained the same.

"There was, in reality, no equality issue raised by the individual decision in Ms Begum's case."

The hearing in London before Mr Justice Jay is due to finish on Friday, with a decision expected in writing at a later date.

SKY

 

[MenInG]

Shamima Begum has said she accepts that she joined a terror group when she fled Britain as a schoolgirl for Islamic State (IS) - and said she understands the public anger towards her.

In interviews spanning more than a year, Ms Begum - who was stripped of British citizenship as a national security risk - revealed that she was fed detailed instructions by IS members, but also undertook her own planning for the journey in 2015.

Giving her first full account of her flight to Syria, she told the BBC podcast The Shamima Begum Story that she had been "relieved" to make it out of the UK and said that when she left, she expected never to return.

Ms Begum said she knows the public now see her "as a danger, as a risk, as a potential risk to them, to their safety, to their way of living".

But she said that "I'm not this person that they think I am".

Ms Begum is the best-known case among thousands of men, women and children who have been held in Syrian detention camps and prisons since the IS "caliphate" was defeated in 2019. Many come from countries that do not want them back.

BBC

 

[RajBan]

Shamima Begum has said she accepts that she joined a terror group when she fled Britain as a schoolgirl for Islamic State (IS) - and said she understands the public anger towards her.

In interviews spanning more than a year, Ms Begum - who was stripped of British citizenship as a national security risk - revealed that she was fed detailed instructions by IS members, but also undertook her own planning for the journey in 2015.

Giving her first full account of her flight to Syria, she told the BBC podcast The Shamima Begum Story that she had been "relieved" to make it out of the UK and said that when she left, she expected never to return.

Ms Begum said she knows the public now see her "as a danger, as a risk, as a potential risk to them, to their safety, to their way of living".

But she said that "I'm not this person that they think I am".

Ms Begum is the best-known case among thousands of men, women and children who have been held in Syrian detention camps and prisons since the IS "caliphate" was defeated in 2019. Many come from countries that do not want them back.

BBC

Ideally she should start fresh in a new country. Justified or not, she will always draw attention in her parent country even if she is fully reformed. She will eventually get suffocated and can revert to old means out of frustration.

 

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Ideally she should start fresh in a new country. Justified or not, she will always draw attention in her parent country even if she is fully reformed. She will eventually get suffocated and can revert to old means out of frustration.

Where will she go? She was born in UK. She is not an immigrant.

 

[RajBan]

Where will she go? She was born in UK. She is not an immigrant.

Understand. But remember from a practical standpoint she might receive lot of judgements in her hometown. She may be able to avoid that and start fresh if she can get asylum in another country. Even when she is not receiving judgements, she needs to answer to her Desi community never ending questions about what she did, why she did, what was her experience. I am sure she just wants to forget everything and start again and better to start in a place where she can avoid those questions. Now ofcourse if she is comfortable to speak about it , that's her choice to make.

 

[dildilpak]

Understand. But remember from a practical standpoint she might receive lot of judgements in her hometown. She may be able to avoid that and start fresh if she can get asylum in another country. Even when she is not receiving judgements, she needs to answer to her Desi community never ending questions about what she did, why she did, what was her experience. I am sure she just wants to forget everything and start again and better to start in a place where she can avoid those questions. Now ofcourse if she is comfortable to speak about it , that's her choice to make.

No country in the world will give her asylum. Making somebody stateless is unprecedented- Britain just cannot shirk its responsibilities.

 

[SalimBhai]

She is British and it’s their problem

 

[KingKhanWC]

Understand. But remember from a practical standpoint she might receive lot of judgements in her hometown. She may be able to avoid that and start fresh if she can get asylum in another country. Even when she is not receiving judgements, she needs to answer to her Desi community never ending questions about what she did, why she did, what was her experience. I am sure she just wants to forget everything and start again and better to start in a place where she can avoid those questions. Now ofcourse if she is comfortable to speak about it , that's her choice to make.

lol. Answer to her desi community? This is Uk not India.

Nobody else is responsible for any crime she did.

Now the truth is out, she should not only be freed but compensated, given help and cared for. Canada along with British intelligence sent her as a child to be groomed by ISIS, who they supported in fighting Asad.

 

[RajBan]

lol. Answer to her desi community? This is Uk not India.

Nobody else is responsible for any crime she did.

Now the truth is out, she should not only be freed but compensated, given help and cared for. Canada along with British intelligence sent her as a child to be groomed by ISIS, who they supported in fighting Asad.

Did not realise that she was a proxy for Canada and MI6.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Did not realise that she was a proxy for Canada and MI6.

Shamima Begum: Spy for Canada smuggled schoolgirl to Syria

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62726954

Its disgusting taking a 15 year old child to ISIS. MI6 was also involved, these western intel agencies are nothing short of evil. Imagine if this was your daugther.

 

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Did not realise that she was a proxy for Canada and MI6.

They used her (and possibly many others).

Shame on them.

 

[JaDed]

https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-53428191

However the Home Office says that between 2010 and 2018, an average of 19 people per year were stripped of their citizenship where it was "conducive to the public good", and an average of 17 people a year because of fraud.

Research by the immigration law website Free Movement found that more than 460 people had their citizenship removed between 2006 and 2020 - 175 for national security reasons, and 289 for fraud.

US-born citizens can't have their status revoked because citizenship is a birth right guaranteed in the US constitution.

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Another reason why UK is a dump not only it has been notorious for taking away citizenship it also isn’t providing enough opportunities for its citizens.

 

[Gilly]

Did not realise that she was a proxy for Canada and MI6.

She wasn't, I'm sure ISIS supporters will tell you differently though.

 

[KingKhanWC]

She wasn't, I'm sure ISIS supporters will tell you differently though.

Are you rejecting the FACT she was a child who was taken to Syria by western intelligence?

 

[dildilpak]

https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-53428191

However the Home Office says that between 2010 and 2018, an average of 19 people per year were stripped of their citizenship where it was "conducive to the public good", and an average of 17 people a year because of fraud.

Research by the immigration law website Free Movement found that more than 460 people had their citizenship removed between 2006 and 2020 - 175 for national security reasons, and 289 for fraud.

US-born citizens can't have their status revoked because citizenship is a birth right guaranteed in the US constitution.

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Another reason why UK is a dump not only it has been notorious for taking away citizenship it also isn’t providing enough opportunities for its citizens.

Yes, but you can strip somebody off their citizenship only if they hold another passport, so that you don’t make them entirely stateless. If I understand right, she doesn’t have Bangladeshi passport.

And even here in US, citizenship cannot be stripped for only people born here. Under some grave circumstances, naturalized citizens can be stripped of US citizenship.

 

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She wasn't, I'm sure ISIS supporters will tell you differently though.

Please read this: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62726954.

Shamima Begum: Spy for Canada smuggled schoolgirl to Syria

Shamima Begum, who fled the UK and joined the Islamic State group, was smuggled into Syria by an intelligence agent for Canada.

Files seen by the BBC show he claimed to have shared Ms Begum's passport details with Canada, and smuggled other Britons to fight for IS.

Ms Begum's lawyers are challenging the removal of her citizenship, arguing she was a trafficking victim.

Canada and the UK declined to comment on security issues.

Ms Begum was 15 when she and two other east London schoolgirls - Kadiza Sultana, 16, and 15-year-old Amira Abase - travelled to Syria to join the IS group in 2015.

At the main Istanbul bus station, the girls met Mohammed Al Rasheed, who would facilitate their journey to IS-controlled Syria.

A senior intelligence officer, at an agency which is part of the global coalition against IS, has confirmed to the BBC that Rasheed was providing information to Canadian intelligence while smuggling people to IS.

The BBC has obtained a dossier on Rasheed that contains information gathered by law enforcement and intelligence, as well as material recovered from his hard drives, which provide extraordinary detail about how he operated.

He told authorities that he had gathered information on the people he helped into Syria because he was passing it to the Canadian embassy in Jordan.

Rasheed, who was arrested in Turkey within days of smuggling Ms Begum to IS, told authorities he had shared a photo of the passport the British schoolgirl was using.

The Metropolitan Police were searching for her, although by the time Canada received her passport details, Ms Begum was already in Syria.

The dossier shows that Ms Begum was moved to Syria through a substantial IS people-smuggling network that was controlled from the group's de-facto capital in Raqqa.

Rasheed was in charge of the Turkish side of this network and facilitated the travel of British men, women and children to IS for at least eight months before he helped Ms Begum and her two friends.

Ms Begum told the BBC's forthcoming I'm Not A Monster podcast: "He organised the entire trip from Turkey to Syria… I don't think anyone would have been able to make it to Syria without the help of smugglers.

"He had helped a lot of people come in… We were just doing everything he was telling us to do because he knew everything, we didn't know anything."

Rasheed kept information about the people he helped, often photographing their ID documents or secretly filming them on his phone.

One recording shows Ms Begum and her friends get out of a taxi and into a waiting car not far from the Syrian border.

Rasheed also gathered information about IS, mapping the locations of the homes of Western IS fighters in Syria, identifying IP addresses and locations of internet cafes in IS-controlled territory, and taking screenshots of conversations he was having with IS fighters.

In one conversation, Rasheed spoke to a man believed to be notorious British IS fighter and recruiter, Raphael Hostey, who says to him: "I need you to work under me. Officially… I want you to help us bring people in."

In a follow-up text, Rasheed asks Hostey: "Can you explain a little, please?"

Hostey says: "Same thing that you're doing now, but you work for us bringing equipment, bringing in brothers and sisters". Mohammed Al Rasheed replies: "I am ready, brother."

Rasheed was arrested in the Turkish city of Sanliurfa not long after he had facilitated the girl's journey to Syria.

In a statement to law enforcement, he said that the reason he had gathered information on everyone he had helped, including Shamima, was because "I was passing this information to the Canadian embassy in Jordan".

Rasheed said that in 2013 he had gone to the Canadian Embassy in Jordan to try to apply for asylum. He said: "They told me they were going to grant me my Canadian citizenship if I collect information about the activities of ISIS."

The BBC has been able to confirm that Rasheed passed in and out of Jordan multiple times between 2013 and his arrest in 2015.

Tasnime Akunjee, the lawyer for the Begum family, said there will be a legal hearing in November to challenge the removal of Ms Begum's citizenship and "one of the main arguments" will be that then-Home Secretary Sajid Javid did not consider that she was a victim of trafficking.

"The UK has international obligations as to how we view a trafficked person and what culpability we prescribe to them for their actions," he said.

Mr Akunjee said it was "shocking" that a Canadian intelligence asset was a key part of the smuggling operation - "someone who is supposed to be an ally, protecting our people, rather than trafficking British children into a war zone".

"Intelligence-gathering looks to have been prioritised over the lives of children," he said.

Shamima Begum is now held in a detention camp in north-east Syria. Her citizenship was taken away in 2019 after she emerged from the ashes of the so-called IS caliphate.

A British government spokesperson said: "It is our long-standing policy that we do not comment on operational intelligence or security matters."

Defence Secretary Ben Wallace said he could not "comment on intelligence matters", but added that "at the moment" he did not recognise "what's being reported".

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said intelligence services needed to be "flexible" and "creative in their approaches" to fight terrorism, but "they are bound by strict rules".

"We will continue to ensure that proper oversight is done, and as necessary look at further steps", he added, while speaking at a press conference in Ottawa.

A Canadian Security Intelligence Service spokesman said he could not "publicly comment on or confirm or deny the specifics of CSIS investigations, operational interests, methodologies or activities".

 

[Robert]

BBC has done a six part podcast on Begum, interviewed in the Syria refugee camp.

 

[KingKhanWC]

BBC has done a six part podcast on Begum, interviewed in the Syria refugee camp.

I wonder how much of the 6 part podcast they go into detail of her being used/sent by western intelligence?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Please read this: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62726954.

Sadly some westerners(not specific to anyone ) will remain in denial. Its just to hard for them to comprehend their governments are not the good guys. Their conditioning since kids, what they read in school, what their mommy and daddy tell them, what media, tv and radio is near impossible to change even if FACTS are placed in front of them.

90% of the weapons used by ISIS came from USA and its allies.

 

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[MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION]

Perhaps you didn't read this part because it didn't suit your narrative:

Shamima Begum, who fled the UK and joined the Islamic State group, was smuggled into Syria by an intelligence agent for Canada.

Files seen by the BBC show he claimed to have shared Ms Begum's passport details with Canada, and smuggled other Britons to fight for IS.

 

[Gilly]

Who is ISIS supporter? Watch your mouth.

If you read again, you can clearly see Canadian intelligence helped her to get smuggled.

Who is ISIS supporters, you know the ones that hate the west, they hate everything about the west, they continually moan about the west. Surely you know the ones.

 

[SalimBhai]

You know who also armed isis multiple times during the conflict. Turkey.

 

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I can see why white racists are struggling to understand a child was sent by western intelligence to be raped by criminals.

He is purposefully dodging the part I highlighted.

He did the same before on another thread (Swedish law). He has some specific positions and he stick to those even if evidences suggest otherwise.

 

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You know who also armed isis multiple times during the conflict. Turkey.

Nope.

Turkey turned a blind eye for a while because they didn't want to be attacked. ISIS actually burned two Turkish soldiers alive.

It is laughable to try to tie Turkey to ISIS.

 

[SalimBhai]

Nope.

Turkey turned a blind eye for a while because they didn't want to be attacked. ISIS actually burned two Turkish soldiers alive.

It is laughable to try to tie Turkey to ISIS.

No turkey armed isis to fight the Kurds.